Who's the biggest disappointment of the HW division?

[boxingcar]

I'd personally say Serguei Lyakhovich and here's why...

Ok , even though the guy had a loss against Maurice Harris. He generally was consistent in his career and when he made his come back after a year and half of absence...

Brewtser vs Lyak , to my surprise , was one of the best HW fight of 2006. Better yet , it was one of the best and most entertaining one in years!...

But then , somehow...the very same guy got owned by Briggs!!...
In one of tghe most boring fight of 2006.

It was like a total 360 turn of events...

[brooklyn1550]

Lyakhovich or Tua

[IntentionalButt]

I'd personally say Serguei Lyakhovich and here's why...

Ok , even though the guy had a loss against Maurice Harris. He generally was consistent in his career and when he made his come back after a year and half of absence...

Brewtser vs Lyak , to my surprise , was one of the best HW fight of 2006. Better yet , it was one of the best and most entertaining one in years!...

But then , somehow...the very same guy got owned by Briggs!!...
In one of tghe most boring fight of 2006.

It was like a total 360 turn of events...

owned? he came within five seconds of pitching a boring and ugly but clear shutout.

[RAMPAGE0017]

I think it was just a bad night for Lyakhovich.. I know it looked bad losing to Briggs, but I wanna give him the benefit of a doubt on that one. Hopefully he'll be able to come back from the loss.

[Big D]

Lyakhovich or Tua


Tua has had some personal issues to deal with, everything looks to be resolved . David will be back in action on Aug 18th in Salt Lake City Utah vs. Saul Montana. the match will be televised on demand PPV . then David is off to Russia to fight in October . its not over for David by any stretch. He will smoke this current lot !

[RAMPAGE0017]

The biggest dissapointment in the division for me is Kirk Johnson. Or.. was Kirk Johnson. I really thought this guy was going to stick around for a while longer, and I couldn't conceive that he'd look so bad against Ruiz and Klitschko. He had all the skills to beat even the WLAD of today, but for some reason he just couldn't put it together when he got big opportunities.

[brooklyn1550]

Tua has had some personal issues to deal with, everything looks to be resolved . David will be back in action on Aug 18th in Salt Lake City Utah vs. Saul Montana. the match will be televised on demand PPV . then David is off to Russia to fight in October . its not over for David by any stretch. He will smoke this current lot !

Good to hear that his personal issues are resolved. Hopefully he loses weight, beats Montana impressively, and stays active.

[IntentionalButt]

Tua has had some personal issues to deal with, everything looks to be resolved . David will be back in action on Aug 18th in Salt Lake City Utah vs. Saul Montana. the match will be televised on demand PPV . then David is off to Russia to fight in October . its not over for David by any stretch. He will smoke this current lot !

any idea who??

[Big D]

Good to hear that his personal issues are resolved. Hopefully he loses weight, beats Montana impressively, and stays active.

David's weight is down going into camp this time . so the focus of camp will be on boxing rather then weight loss like past camps.

[brooklyn1550]

David's weight is down going into camp this time . so the focus of camp will be on boxing rather then weight loss like past camps.

If he can get down to 230 or 235, he will be a force to be reckoned with:yep

[Vincent Gottschalk]

Shannon the Cannon Briggs, why can't this dumb dumb come in at 257 instead of a bulky 273.:patsch Still think that the Cannon is the one man among big men who could give Wlad a fight:bbb Most other fighters are too small Sultan,Chagaev,Povetkin too Slow Virchis, Valuev, Rahman,
or don't have enough power Dimitrenko,Thompson, Gomez. Briggs at a good weight has size power and speed much like Corrie Sanders.:deal
I still think Wlad beats Shannon at any weight but it would be a war:thumbsup

[Motor City Sam]

The biggest dissapointment in the division for me is Kirk Johnson. Or.. was Kirk Johnson. I really thought this guy was going to stick around for a while longer, and I couldn't conceive that he'd look so bad against Ruiz and Klitschko. He had all the skills to beat even the WLAD of today, but for some reason he just couldn't put it together when he got big opportunities.

You beat me to it. I was going to say Kirk Johnson. He had size, skills, and decent power. Watching him crush Oleg Maskaev, I never would have believed that the two of them would end up where they are today.

[boxingcar]

owned? he came within five seconds of pitching a boring and ugly but clear shutout.
true , "owned" is no the adequate word but still , they way he lost it..was just such a major let down.

[RAMPAGE0017]

You beat me to it. I was going to say Kirk Johnson. He had size, skills, and decent power. Watching him crush Oleg Maskaev, I never would have believed that the two of them would end up where they are today.


No kidding, man.. I wouldn't have thought in a million years Maskaev especially would be where he's at today.. fate sure does play out in fucked up ways. :lol:

[Vulgar Display Of Power]

Tua

[Belanio]

Lyakhovich closely followed by Brewster.

[Thinman]

I don't really care too much about the HW division but if I have to pick one, then I woud say Golota. I thought at one point he was the real deal but he's far from that, and I can't understand how his fans are so blind and can't see that this guy is preety much done.

How many chances you need :think .... I only hope that he comes back and somebody kick his ass again, so we won't have to see that stupid thread "The Golota Express". :dead

[natep]

ike ibeabuchi; what the hell happened to the guy?

[Deslizer]

Juan Carlos Gomez

He was the best in cruiserweight and did a good fight against Sam. But then, I went to the USA, where he was very lazy at the gym. Out of shape, he lost against Yanqui Diaz. Later he came back to germany. He was close to a title shot, when he outboxed Oliver McCall for the #2-Spot of the WBC rating. But it was revealed, that he took cocaine.

[*BOX_FAN*]

Lyakhovich

[paulfv]

Sam Peter.

For someone who was going to 'save' the HW's, he's been exposed as an unschooled, jab-eating phony. It's going to take a lot of work just to make him an a boxer with even average skills.

[Cachibatches]

Golota.

I have never seen a fighter do so little wtih so much.

[paulfv]

Golota.

I have never seen a fighter do so little wtih so much.
He completely destroyed and ruined Riddick 'Fat Daddy' Bowe over two fights, thus ridding the world of another fraudulent champion.

Peter couldn't even handle a fat middleweight - and lost to him, for God's sakes - in the first fight.

Advantage: Golota

Plus, I don't think Golota was ever supposed to 'save' the division as Sam was. He was just the latest Great White Joke Hope who happened to have Bowe's number.

Peter was the 'savior.' Savior of what? All unskilled, fat rabbit-punchers around the world who hope to one day lose 10/12 rounds in a HW championship fight?

[psychopath]

Will there be any bigger disappointment in HW division than Audley Harrison? :D :lol:

[paulfv]

Will there be any bigger disappointment in HW division than Audley Harrison? :D :lol:

Good question. A-Farce has been quite the bust. :lol:

[1-Ton]

Riddick Bowe. He had two legendary fights against Holyfield, and that's it. He looked like he was destined for greatness, but his tenure as champ saw two very weak defenses against undeserving opponents. Outside of Holyfield, he never fought the class of the division (unless you count Golota, which I don't).

[Cachibatches]

He completely destroyed and ruined Riddick 'Fat Daddy' Bowe over two fights, thus ridding the world of another fraudulent champion.

Peter couldn't even handle a fat middleweight - and lost to him, for God's sakes - in the first fight.

Advantage: Golota

Plus, I don't think Golota was ever supposed to 'save' the division as Sam was. He was just the latest Great White Joke Hope who happened to have Bowe's number.

Peter was the 'savior.' Savior of what? All unskilled, fat rabbit-punchers around the world who hope to one day lose 10/12 rounds in a HW championship fight?
Golata lost those fights. Peter one at least one.

But I don't think much of Peter either.

[paulfv]

Golata lost those fights. Peter one at least one.

He did, and also got 10 more years of $$$ out of them. Those fights 'made' Golota and are the reason why he still fights. Kind of like how people think they may one day see the 'old' Tyson or something.

Bowe was ruined by those fights, and Golota destroyed him in both. It was like when RJJ got DQ'd against Montel Griffin - sure, he got the 'L,' but anyone who watched the fight knows who got the better of the fight.

Bowe retired a lonnnnng time ago; Golota still fights. I don't want to be cruel, so I'll just stop there.

Anyway, if Sam Peter can one day say that he retired/ruined a legitimate HW star (or MW star, we'll start at that low bar), he'll begin to approach Golota's accomplishments. Maybe Peter still will be fighting at 36 or whatever Golota is (actually, Peter might be fighting at 36 right now, for all we know).

I know this: Golota never came into a fight carrying 20+ lbs. of extra fat around his midsection like Peter has. I'm no big Golota fan - he sucks - but at least he gives himself some kind of chance. "Fat Man Sam" doesn't even seem to take the sport seriously.

If Peter's lucky, he'll be able to take out an aging Maskaev. But does anyone think Peter will be in better shape than Maskaev if they do fight? Me either. Which means Oleg will have a solid chance to give Peter a late-round "Rahman" onto Jim Lampley's lap once Peter gasses as all overweight fighters eventually do.

[Cachibatches]

He did, and also got 10 more years of $$$ out of them. Those fights 'made' Golota and are the reason why he still fights. Kind of like how people think they may one day see the 'old' Tyson or something.

Bowe was ruined by those fights, and Golota destroyed him in both. It was like when RJJ got DQ'd against Montel Griffin - sure, he got the 'L,' but anyone who watched the fight knows who got the better of the fight.

Bowe retired a lonnnnng time ago; Golota still fights. I don't want to be cruel, so I'll just stop there.

Anyway, if Sam Peter can one day say that he retired/ruined a legitimate HW star (or MW star, we'll start at that low bar), he'll begin to approach Golota's accomplishments. Maybe Peter still will be fighting at 36 or whatever Golota is (actually, Peter might be fighting at 36 right now, for all we know).

I know this: Golota never came into a fight carrying 20+ lbs. of extra fat around his midsection like Peter has. I'm no big Golota fan - he sucks - but at least he gives himself some kind of chance. "Fat Man Sam" doesn't even seem to take the sport seriously.

If Peter's lucky, he'll be able to take out an aging Maskaev. But does anyone think Peter will be in better shape than Maskaev if they do fight? Me either. Which means Oleg will have a solid chance to give Peter a late-round "Rahman" onto Jim Lampley's lap once Peter gasses as all overweight fighters eventually do.
I have also never seen Peter abjectly surrender the way Golota has on numerous occasions.

I am not sure how "ruining" another fighter is an accomplishment. This is a sport, and the point is to win.

[paulfv]

I have also never seen Peter abjectly surrender the way Golota has on numerous occasions.
I can think of at least one of Golota's old foes who probably wishes he would have surrendered even sooner than he ended up doing.

I also wish McClellan had surrendered earlier against Benn.

Sometimes, 'surrender' is smart.

I am not sure how "ruining" another fighter is an accomplishment. This is a sport, and the point is to win.
Believe me, as any critic of "Big Fatty" Bowe would tell you, Golota accomplished a ton in those two fights. He also appears to have all of his faculties, as well as a ton of $$$. He also has had a far longer career than Bowe. Who won the fights again?

Bowe's 'victories' would be classified as "Pyrrhic victories." That is, he won, but at a permanent cost.

Peter can't even win the 'battle of the training table,' let alone a HW war.

Like I said, never has KO'ing Jeremy Williams gotten somone so much.

Peter is Brewster, just a little fatter. The only legit HW he fought spanked him like a baby for 10/12 rounds. With his lack of defense and scarcity of skills, he's going to absorb a huge amount of punishment and likely have a short career. You can't take the kinds of shots Peter is open to and fight for very long.

He's an entertaining fighter - I'll watch him fight, because someone's always going to get beat up or KO'd when he fights, like this:

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(Peter after getting owned by W. Klitschko)



I love a good scrap, just like any other fight fan.

But a 'savior?' No. Sam doesn't have the discipline or skill to save anything. I just hope when he fights he is within 10-15 lbs. of what would be a good fighting weight for him. That's about all I exect out of Peter.

Well, that and rabbit punches. Same as you could always expect Lenny Lewis to hold and hit, no fight with Sam Peter is complete without Sam's rabbit punches and Sammy eating a steady diet of jabs.

[ozziebattler]

tyson...no need to explain as u all got to admit he should of been atleast 7years retired and sitting next to ali as the greatest of all time baby yeah..

[pinpointzero]

Shannon the Cannon Briggs, why can't this dumb dumb come in at 257 instead of a bulky 273.:patsch Still think that the Cannon is the one man among big men who could give Wlad a fight:bbb Most other fighters are too small Sultan,Chagaev,Povetkin too Slow Virchis, Valuev, Rahman,
or don't have enough power Dimitrenko,Thompson, Gomez. Briggs at a good weight has size power and speed much like Corrie Sanders.:deal
I still think Wlad beats Shannon at any weight but it would be a war:thumbsup

Yup.. without a doubt.
Blessed with some talent, a level of athleticism, boxing brain, big punch, stiff jab, and kind to the camera as he interviews well you'd think the lazy sack of lard could make a decent weight for a bout wouldn't you?

[DamonD]

Chucking in a vote for Dominick Guinn here.

Good power, always in decent shape, very solid chin.
Totally wasted it.

[bigG]

briggs....natural athlete, charisma, big power....lazy juice fuelled farce....was a big fan and usually spoke up for him, but surrendering the titlle like he did...jeez.....putz......i really wish the guy would shed 30lb or so and come back blazing cos he has the tools...just seems he dont have the instruction manual how to use em.....

....i donjt find tyson a disapointment..he gave us some of the most exciting performances ever, he was a 'bully' fighter and was always gonna struggle with fighters who had mental fortitude.......is mikes story any sadder than carneras, bowes, leon spinks...even joe louis...it can be, for some, a crown of thorns......

[NBT]

Out of shape, he lost against Yanqui Diaz.
Gomez being koed by Diaz doesn't have anything to do with being out of shape or not. Or are you trying to tell me Gomez was gassed after a few seconds of the first round? He just got caught and crumbled that's all there is.

[nervousxtian]

Sam Peter.

The HW division needed him to be Mike Tyson, instead he's just another David Tua.

[KO byBRIGGS]

owned? he came within five seconds of pitching a boring and ugly but clear shutout.Thats bs Briggs was not behind on all three score cards at the time of the stopage, he was actually up on one and it was a draw on the other 2. Briggs was losing but barely. Liakovich got smoked period. On the other hand Briggs was a big let down in his last fight I hope he comes back with one more huge fight before he is done.

Also as for those saying Peter needed to be like Tyson....be realistic Tyson was an amazing specimen. Peter though not my favourite fighter is still good and lets not forget he has a title shot coming and could still become great.

[brooklyn1550]

Peter is Brewster, just a little fatter.

Peter is naturally a much thicker man than Brewster

[Motor City Sam]

I'm not a huge Sam Peter fan, but isn't it a little early to be giving up on him and labelling him the biggest disappointment among the heavies? He's a young guy, probably still learning, whose only loss is to the guy most consider to be the best heavyweight out there. He hasn't even had time to be a bigger disappointment than Golota, Kirk Johnson, and some others who have been mentioned.

[KO byBRIGGS]

Sergei was ahead on all three cards.Yes but that wasnt including the 12th round which Briggs was clearly winning not to mention the knockdowns. That round would have been 10-7 even if Sergei had gotten up making the fight a draw on 2 cards and one to Briggs. So like I said at the time of stoppage he would not have been behind on the cards, none the less a draw wouldnt have won the belt. Briggs beat Sergei it was not in the last 10 seconds there was just under 30 for the first KD. Sultan got knocked out on to the scorers table that is about as conclusive as a fight end can be.

[Chiko_Tech]

IKe Ikeabuchi this guy had a promising carrer and now is all wasted.

[KO byBRIGGS]

Yeah thats for sure^^^ but I heared something about IKE getting a parole hearing soon. He seems to think he will be back in boxing soon. Who knows if he'll be any good after the long layoff though or if he'll ever actually get out.

[Feiti]

How far back are you talking about?

I´d say, gradually going back in time from more recent to less recent:

1) James Toney. After beating Ruiz like he deserved and apparently winning the WBA belt, got caught for using, then after arguably beating Peter, just grew old and is now out of the picture.

2) Audley Harrison. Enough said.

3) Juan Carlos Gomez. Undefeated cruiserweight champ, seemed inevitable he´d get a world belt. Got KOBY1, then caught for using cocaine.

4) Kirk Johnson. Seemed poised to beat Ruiz and be a mayor player. Got DQed then got fat.

5) David Tua. It looked like Lennox was the only one who could beat him. He did and afterwards Tua was just never the same.

6) Ike Ibeabuchi. Might have been a dominant undisputed champ, but went nuts.

7) Andrew Golota. Kicked Bowes ass, but was never the same after being strached by Lewis.

8) Riddick Bowe. Ate himself out of contention.

I would also say that Tyson was very disappointing in his last two years. Sure he was past it, but the Tyson who fought Lewis should not have lost to McBride 3 years later. Even the Tyson who lost to Williams should have KO1 McBride.

[KO byBRIGGS]

When you say score at time of stoppage, you don't include the current round that they are in.Ok but it was no shut out. Briggs was winning rounds through the fight and it was very close though very slow and dull most of the time.

[digiram]

The entire division is a dissapointment.

[IntentionalButt]

IKe Ikeabuchi this guy had a promising carrer and now is all wasted.
He was never an in-ring disappointment though.

[Brickhaus]

Dominic Guinn, bar none, IMO. He looked impressive coming up, and he seems to have lost his will to work hard and his heart in the ring. His workrate in the past couple years is nothing like what it was when he was coming up. While I never expected him to be a worldbeater, he should be a solid top-10 guy right now, and based on natural talent alone, he's as good as some of the current beltholders, but his lack of will is almost alarming and has turned him into a subpar journeyman.

[unitas]

sinan samil sam. really thought that with his chin he could make some noise. but i guess the man likes his beer...........

[Titan1]

Super Greg Page

[digiram]

Everyone in the HW division is a big disappointment.

[LennoxGOAT]

Every fighter who talks but will never actually fight Wlad.

[AJAX]

I'm starting to get dissapointed with Oleg, since his title win he has fought a tomato can for a defense in over a year and with his injury won't be fighting for monthes. it will be a year and a half before he makes a decent defense