Calzaghe v. Andrade - who wins?

[Decebal]

Amsterdam is right about Andrade - he's a monster. To do well against him, you need to be able to box very well, but you need the right style too. Kessler's style was perfect against Andrade. Calzaghe's style is not.

Calzaghe would tag him with jabs all night, would cut in and out and swarm him, would move circles around him, but would it be enough?

By the middle rounds, Calzaghe would have broken his hands trying to keep Andrade off him. And Andrade would keep coming and coming relentlessly forward. Unlike his other opponents, Andrade wouldn't bother defending his head when Calzaghe comes inside, because Calzaghe couldn't hurt him enough. Instead, he would use hard upercuts and work the body, grinding Calzaghe down, round after round. Calzaghe would score and score against him, but wouldn't hurt him; he'd keep coming forward time after time.

Against Kessler, he couldn't get through the jab, but Kessler is stronger. Calzaghe's jab is even better, but not as strong. Andrade would plough through it...

I wouldn't be surprised if Andrade ends up stopping Calzaghe in the championship rounds...

Of course, prime Calzaghe would be a big favourite against Andrade...but the Calzaghe who beat Kessler...well...it's a 50/50 fight; Andrade might jut have the style, chin, heart and will to win to beat Calzaghe at this stage...

What are your thoughts?

[See Me Flow]

I've seen Andrade fight three times. He'll beat Pavik by UD/SD but lose to Calzaghe by UD.

[cardstars]

Calzaghe would make Andrade trip over his own feet and look silly

[Decebal]

Calzaghe would make Andrade trip over his own feet and look silly

Of course...most good boxers do that to him. Doesn't stop him coming forward, though, does it?

Calzaghe would win every round impressively until Andrade grinds him down and finishes him with bodyshots...it's a style's thing. Just ask Amsterdam.

[Boogytonice]

Calzaghe by humiliation

[teke]

Calzaghe is a fly Andrade is a drunk dude trying to kill him with chopsticks

[cardstars]

Of course...most good boxers do that to him. Doesn't stop him coming forward, though, does it?

Calzaghe would win every round impressively until Andrade grinds him down and finishes him with bodyshots...it's a style's thing. Just ask Amsterdam.

I'm not questioning Andrades heart or mental toughness; it is top notch. JC doesn't ko him, but I would bet the house that he takes this fight. Andrade is not on JCs level. Does Amsterdam really pick Andrade over JC?? That would shock me

[Decebal]

Calzaghe by humiliation

Calzaghe would humiliate Andrade rough for 10 rounds but succcumb to the relentless pressure and bodyshots in the end. It's inevitable...

[cardstars]

Calzaghe is a fly Andrade is a drunk dude trying to kill him with chopsticks
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[cardstars]

Calzaghe would humiliate Andrade rough for 10 rounds but succcumb to the relentless pressure and bodyshots in the end. It's inevitable...

don't forget that JC has an iron chin and incredible mental toughness too. Andrade isn't a notch above him in either department imo

[Decebal]

Calzaghe is a fly Andrade is a drunk dude trying to kill him with chopsticks

A bit like this, then...

J1gAHil89Z4

Mate, you are one to talk, Mundine wouldn't make it past the 6th round with Andrade and you know it!:deal

Mundine has even less of a style for Andrade...

[See Me Flow]

Mate, you are one to talk, Mundine wouldn't make it past the 6th round with Andrade and you know it!:deal

Mundine has even less of a style for Andrade...

Agree.

[psychopath]

Andrade already lost by unanimous decission to the guy who Calzaghe outboxed. So it's normal and logical for people to pick Calzaghe over Andrade.

:yep :D

[Decebal]

don't forget that JC has an iron chin and incredible mental toughness too. Andrade isn't a notch above him in either department imo

It's not about chins...everone can be hurt to the body, even if you have a great chin. It's not about mental toughness either...Calzaghe would absolutely humiliate Andrade for 10 rounds, before succumbing to the pressure and bodyshots...it's just styles...no one is perfect...

[Decebal]

Andrade already lost by unanimous decission to the guy who Calzaghe outboxed. So it's normal and logical for people to pick Calzaghe over Andrade.

:yep :D

But this is not how boxing works...:nono

Calzaghe is one of the best boxers of his generation. He is much better than Andrade p4p. But Andrade just has the style to beat Calzaghe, but not the style to beat Kessler...it's a style thing...

[teke]

A bit like this, then...

J1gAHil89Z4

Mate, you are one to talk, Mundine wouldn't make it past the 6th round with Andrade and you know it!:deal

Mundine has even less of a style for Andrade...You been drinking?

I will take you up on a very interesting bet if they fought.

[teke]

But this is not how boxing works...:nono

Calzaghe is one of the best boxers of his generation. He is much better than Andrade p4p. But Andrade just has the style to beat Calzaghe, but not the style to beat Kessler...it's a style thing...Let me guess, Bute will beat Andrade :lol:

[cardstars]

It's not about chins...everone can be hurt to the body, even if you have a great chin. It's not about mental toughness either...Calzaghe would absolutely humiliate Andrade for 10 rounds, before succumbing to the pressure and bodyshots...it's just styles...no one is perfect...

Mental toughness is what separates the fighters that succumb to the pressure and those that don't. I just don't understand exactly what Andrade is all of a sudden going to accomplish after being humiliated for 10 rounds. That sounds silly

[psychopath]

But this is not how boxing works...:nono

Calzaghe is one of the best boxers of his generation. He is much better than Andrade p4p. But Andrade just has the style to beat Calzaghe, but not the style to beat Kessler...it's a style thing...

Well I agree . . . but like you said JC is a master boxer . . . so It's not hard to think that JC will outpoint Andrade the way he outboxed Kesller.

[Decebal]

Amsterdam is right. You have to be a border line elite to beat Andrade, but that is not enough; you have to have the right style for him too.

Calzaghe, Bute and Mundine are all better than Andrade, overall. But they just don't have the style to beat Andrade.

Andrade would have a higher chance of losing to Bika or Froch than to Calzaghe.

[Decebal]

Mental toughness is what separates the fighters that succumb to the pressure and those that don't. I just don't understand exactly what Andrade is all of a sudden going to accomplish after being humiliated for 10 rounds. That sounds silly

The pressure would finally get to Calzaghe, humiliation or not. Bodyshots would bring him down in the end...

[Decebal]

Well I agree . . . but like you said JC is a master boxer . . . so It's not hard to think that JC will outpoint Andrade the way he outboxed Kesller.

He would more than outpoint him; he would lacy him every round but be ground down himself in the meantime, by Andrade's pressure. By the Championship rounds, Andrade would have too much.

[teke]

The pressure would finally get to Calzaghe, humiliation or not. Bodyshots would bring him down in the end...You should be putting some money on your predictions if you are so confident :shock:

[cardstars]

But this is not how boxing works...:nono

Calzaghe is one of the best boxers of his generation. He is much better than Andrade p4p. But Andrade just has the style to beat Calzaghe, but not the style to beat Kessler...it's a style thing...

You see I agree with you that styles make matchups, and actually that Andrades style is "the type of style" to beat a guy like JC. But the problem for me is that Andrade is not a very special fighter and isn't on JCs level. If he was A- or an elite-level fighter then I would say he has a chance. But he has tons of flaws (so many I don't feel like listing them). In fact I can't think of a single thing he can do to frustrate JC in this fight. He has no outstanding punches or combinations, and isn't very powerful because he doesn't set his feet to generate power most of the time. He also is half as fast as JC and allows himself to get backed into the ropes at times which is where JC will throw combos and completely humiliate him.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion though, and I respect that you stick by yours even if its not the popular one :good

[Decebal]

Let me guess, Bute will beat Andrade :lol:

No...Bute, like Calzaghe and Mundine has the wrong style for Andrade...Bute would lose against Andrade, just like Calzaghe. Bute, though, has a slightly better style for Andrade than Calzaghe. He would outpoint Andrade less in the first 10 rounds, but would fall under the sword himself in the end...it's a style's thing...just ask Amsterdam...

Mundine, however, would fall to Andrade faster than either Calzaghe or Bute though...this is obvious. One thing Mundine hates more than any other top fighter at SMW is pressure.

[teke]

He would more than outpoint him; he would lacy him every round but be ground down himself in the meantime, by Andrade's pressure. By the Championship rounds, Andrade would have too much.:nono if he got to the championship rounds he'd be that devastated and embarassed by how completely out of his league he is that he would just want to survive to the final bell then run to the dressing rooms.

[Decebal]

You should be putting some money on your predictions if you are so confident :shock:

:huh

What, you think Calzaghe would fight Andrade? Andrade is a risk/reward nightmare for Calzaghe...even if he beats Bute and gets himself a belt...

[teke]

No...Bute, like Calzaghe and Mundine has the wrong style for Andrade...Bute would lose against Andrade, just like Calzaghe. Bute, though, has a slightly better style for Andrade than Calzaghe. He would outpoint Andrade less in the first 10 rounds, but would fall under the sword himself in the end...it's a style's thing...just ask Amsterdam...

Mundine, however, would fall to Andrade faster than either Calzaghe or Bute though...this is obvious. One thing Mundine hates more than any other top fighter at SMW is pressure.I am not asking Amsterdam after I have owned him on the Soliman fight :deal

I will just say i disagree

[Decebal]

You see I agree with you that styles make matchups, and actually that Andrades style is "the type of style" to beat a guy like JC. But the problem for me is that Andrade is not a very special fighter and isn't on JCs level. If he was A- or an elite-level fighter then I would say he has a chance. But he has tons of flaws (so many I don't feel like listing them). In fact I can't think of a single thing he can do to frustrate JC in this fight. He has no outstanding punches or combinations, and isn't very powerful because he doesn't set his feet to generate power most of the time. He also is half as fast as JC and allows himself to get backed into the ropes at times which is where JC will throw combos and completely humiliate him.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion though, and I respect that you stick by yours even if its not the popular one :good

You are underrating Andrade badly...Just ask Amsterdam how good he is...

[Decebal]

I am not asking Amsterdam after I have owned him on the Soliman fight :deal

I will just say i disagree

:bart

[See Me Flow]

Hold up. Andrade is getting better. He looked better tonight than he has in his previous three fights (although Andrade didn't look bad before). I see a little more patience and improved timing with his punches. To say Andrade has a higher chance of losing to Mudine, Bika and Froch is a bit of a stretch.

[cardstars]

You are underrating Andrade badly...Just ask Amsterdam how good he is...

I may just have to do that. I know he takes Andrade over Pavlik....but I can't say I completely disagree with that one. That would be one helluva fight imo

[THN]

But this is not how boxing works...:nono

Calzaghe is one of the best boxers of his generation. He is much better than Andrade p4p. But Andrade just has the style to beat Calzaghe, but not the style to beat Kessler...it's a style thing...
:good :good :good :yep

[Decebal]

Hold up. Andrade is getting better. He looked better tonight than he has in his previous three fights (although Andrade didn't look bad before). I see a little more patience and improved timing with his punches. To say Andrade has a higher chance of losing to Mudine, Bika and Froch is a bit of a stretch.

not Mundine...Mundine could't hurt Andrade...Andrade stops Mundine before the 7th round...

But Bika and Froch...they would look like shit for 12 rounds, but they would see the final bell and if the judges are kind, they would win a close decision...

[Decebal]

A prime Calzaghe would shut out Andrade, no doubt...it would be 120-108 UD from all three judges...


...but the Calzaghe that beat Kessler...:-(

As Amsterdam says, pirme Calzaghe TKOs the Calzaghe who beat Kessler...so...Andrade would have a decent chance too, in the final two rounds...Of course, it would be the most motivated and best Andrade ever...giving his all in there...

[See Me Flow]

not Mundine...Mundine could't hurt Andrade...Andrade stops Mundine before the 7th round...

But Bika and Froch...they would look like shit for 12 rounds, but they would see the final bell and if the judges are kind, they would win a close decision...

Ok, that's a fair assessment.

[cardstars]

in the final two rounds...Of course, it would be the most motivated and best Andrade ever...giving his all in there...

you and your last two rounds.....what has gotten into you :lol:

[teke]

You are underrating Andrade badly...Just ask Amsterdam how good he is...whats with all this "just ask Amsterdam" business?

I've seen how good he is.

I cant help thinking that you are propping up Andrade in time for when he fights Bute in the near future and gets beaten :yep

[Faetter_BR]

A prime Calzaghe would shut out Andrade, no doubt...it would be 120-108 UD from all three judges...


...but the Calzaghe that beat Kessler...:-(

As Amsterdam says, pirme Calzaghe TKOs the Calzaghe who beat Kessler...so...Andrade would have a decent chance too, in the final two rounds...Of course, it would be the most motivated and best Andrade ever...giving his all in there...

The Calzaghe who beat Kessler i prime - apart from his hands not being as good as earlier he was just fine versus Kessler. Kessler just made him look human most of the time.

As for Andrade-Calzaghe ... Calzaghe will handle Andrade's pressure with relative ease and win 120-108. Calzaghe doesn't have to keep Andrade away with his jab - he also has his footwork going for him. But there is nothing to ******t such a fight. Andrade earned the right to fight Bute (which will be interesting) - if he beats Bute, then a rematch with Kessler... Calzaghe will be retired by the time Andrade can earn a shot (which he wouldn't because he wouldn't get past the rematch with Kessler)

[Decebal]

I cant help thinking that you are propping up Andrade in time for when he fights Bute in the near future and gets beaten :yep

:-( :-( :-( :-( :-(

Would I do that?:verysad :verysad :verysad :verysad :verysad

[teke]

not Mundine...Mundine could't hurt Andrade...Andrade stops Mundine before the 7th round...
Kessler cant stop Mundinem but beats Andrade easier than everyone else but Andrade stops Mundine within 7 with his slow ass wide looping punches :huh

I kow your logic with the styles matchup but i dont agree, Mundine is waay quicker has better defence than both Kessler and Joe.

Bute UD Andrade :lol::deal

[Decebal]

As for Andrade-Calzaghe ... Calzaghe will handle Andrade's pressure with relative ease and win 120-108. Calzaghe doesn't have to keep Andrade away with his jab - he also has his footwork going for him.

Yeah...footwork and everything else, as I said...

Superficially, you would say Calzaghe would love Andrade because he comes forward and Calzaghe can just counterpunch him to death, swarming him and moving away...doing to him what he dd to Lacy...

...and he would too! But then, IN THE LAST TWO ROUNDS, the pressure would be too much for him. Andrade's bodyshots would grind him down and finish him...Enzo would have to throw in the towel...alas!

[sean]

calzaghe loves these sort of fights.

he loves fighters who come onto him , but do not spoil, and it is always where he looks his best.

if you watch the brewer fight, v a known heavy puncher, calzaghe was content to stay in the pocket for nearly the whole 12 rounds , even though he could have easily outspeeded brewer from the outside, because he was enjoying the fight so much on the inside.
he got off with so many combinations that in at least 5 rounds brewer was stumbling around disorientated, not able to keep up.

calzaghe`s body language /attiutude in those sort of fights looks like he is really enjoying himself like someone who has just scored a try or goal / calzaghe simply loves a tear up, even if it means negating his boxing skills sometimes if he feels in control.

how many boxers 11-0 rounds up would have come out against a puncher in the last rounds , looking to trade bombs as calzaghe did with lacy and kessler

IMO i think andrade and calzaghe would put on a very good spectacle of a fight, little clinching and huge ammounts of punches thrown, but calzaghes hand and footspeed, plus the ammounts of combinations calzaghe puts together , blinds his opponents , as calzaghe in these types of fights has his gloves in his opponents face non stop, and its not as if he will slow down or get arm weary from this kind of fight.

a fight i would like to see and although after kessler did a real number on andrade that calzaghe could not top and would get little credit for it, it would be a great showcase of his talents and skills.

[Decebal]

Kessler cant stop Mundinem but beats Andrade easier than everyone else but Andrade stops Mundine within 7 with his slow ass wide looping punches :huh

I kow your logic with the styles matchup but i dont agree, Mundine is waay quicker has better defence than both Kessler and Joe.

Bute UD Andrade :lol::deal

Mundine's reflexes and speed will count for little against Andrade's pressure. Andrade would look like a Duran against Mundine, who is certainly no SR Leonard...:-(

And Bute, well, he will either lose his title on purpose so as not to have to fight Andrade in the mandatory, or he will end up fighting Andrade and lose, bravely...

...poor Lucian!:| :-(

[Decebal]

calzaghe loves these sort of fights.

he loves fighters who come onto him , but do not spoil, and it is always where he looks his best.

if you watch the brewer fight, v a known heavy puncher, calzaghe was content to stay in the pocket for nearly the whole 12 rounds , even though he could have easily outspeeded brewer from the outside, because he was enjoying the fight so much on the inside.
he got off with so many combinations that in at least 5 rounds brewer was stumbling around disorientated, not able to keep up.

calzaghe`s body language /attiutude in those sort of fights looks like he is really enjoying himself like someone who has just scored a try or goal / calzaghe simply loves a tear up, even if it means negating his boxing skills sometimes if he feels in control.

how many boxers 11-0 rounds up would have come out against a puncher in the last rounds , looking to trade bombs as calzaghe did with lacy and kessler

IMO i think andrade and calzaghe would put on a very good spectacle of a fight, little clinching and huge ammounts of punches thrown, but calzaghes hand and footspeed, plus the ammounts of combinations calzaghe puts together , blinds his opponents , as calzaghe in these types of fights has his gloves in his opponents face non stop, and its not as if he will slow down or get arm weary from this kind of fight.

a fight i would like to see and although after kessler did a real number on andrade that calzaghe could not top and would get little credit for it, it would be a great showcase of his talents and skills.

;)

I was just having a laugh with the boys, sean, as it's Easter and all!:lol:

Happy Easter, everyone! :)

I was hoping that Amsterdam would come in and get really angry with me...:rofl

He has been hyping up Andrade like crazy around here!:-(

Andrade is tough and strong and has much heart, but he is COMPLETELY the wrong style for Calzaghe and could not hurt him even if they fought 15 rounds...

And Amsterdam should drop this Andrade will beat Bute nonsense too! It's getting old. Andrade will give him the hardest fight of hi career so far, if Bute remains unbeaten to face him, but Bute is just too good to lose to Andrade.:deal

Calzaghe UD 120-108 Andrade

Bute wide UD Andrade

:good

Oh, and before I forget, and I am serious about this:

Andrade TKO 10 Mundine.:deal

(It's just a styles thing, teke, mate...):good

[KCD]

Calzaghe wins quite comfortably! 120-108 on all cards.

Look at Kessler's fight with Andrade, Kessler kept him honest all through the fight and it was quite an easy fight in the end.

[Faetter_BR]

Yeah...footwork and everything else, as I said...

Superficially, you would say Calzaghe would love Andrade because he comes forward and Calzaghe can just counterpunch him to death, swarming him and moving away...doing to him what he dd to Lacy...

...and he would too! But then, IN THE LAST TWO ROUNDS, the pressure would be too much for him. Andrade's bodyshots would grind him down and finish him...Enzo would have to throw in the towel...alas!

For that to happen Calzaghe should run out of gas ... he just doesn't do that. Calzaghe has a great stamina and could run circles around Andrade for 20 rounds if he had to.

Look at Kessler-Andrade - Andrade was also tired in round 12 - he came forward, but the power was not in his punches anymore.

Calzaghe by a hudge UD.

Andrade is a great fighter - really got heart and a style that's always intertaning - but he simply doesn't have the skills for Calzaghe - not that big a deal - atm nobody has the skills for Calzaghe... best bid is still Kessler in a rematch and I wouldn't be putting too much money on that...

[teke]

;)

I was just having a laugh with the boys, sean, as it's Easter and all!:lol:

Happy Easter, everyone! :)

I was hoping that Amsterdam would come in and get really angry with me...:rofl

He has been hyping up Andrade like crazy around here!:-(

Andrade is tough and strong and has much heart, but he is COMPLETELY the wrong style for Calzaghe and could not hurt him even if they fought 15 rounds...

And Amsterdam should drop this Andrade will beat Bute nonsense too! It's getting old. Andrade will give him the hardest fight of hi career so far, if Bute remains unbeaten to face him, but Bute is just too good to lose to Andrade.:deal

Calzaghe UD 120-108 Andrade

Bute wide UD Andrade

:good

Oh, and before I forget, and I am serious about this:

Andrade TKO 10 Mundine.:deal

(It's just a styles thing, teke, mate...):goodYou little prick :lol::lol:

Mundine wide UD Andy and Bute...



on the same night :hi:

[this bloke]

Calzaghe wins quite comfortably! 120-108 on all cards.

Look at Kessler's fight with Andrade, Kessler kept him honest all through the fight and it was quite an easy fight in the end.

i agree calzaghe wins convincingly and andrade loses to all fighters with quick hands and feet and decent defence eg calzaghe,mundine,kessler

on another note a fight i would love to see is andrade v danny green

[Faetter_BR]

how many boxers 11-0 rounds up would have come out against a puncher in the last rounds , looking to trade bombs as calzaghe did with lacy and kessler



Well in all fairness - Calzaghe wasn't up 11-0 against Kessler :)

But to answer the question - not many - but Kessler does it too - Against Thobela and Andrade he also came out swinging for the last round although up 11-0 - according to himself to give the spectators a good show :)

Against Mundine he didn't do it that much - but that was mainly due to stamina-problems due to his long break from training prior to the fight.

[teke]

Against Mundine he didn't do it that much - but that was mainly due to stamina-problems due to his long break from training prior to the fight.pfft or it could be from what he mentioned in the ring in the post fight interview that Mundine was very hard to catch and tired him out

[Faetter_BR]

pfft or it could be from what he mentioned in the ring in the post fight interview that Mundine was very hard to catch and tired him out

Kessler couldn't do roadwork for 6 weeks up to the fight - he had 30 rounds of light sparring ... Take a look at Kessler's stamina in the Andrade-fight and compare to the Mundine-fight and you'll see the differense.

It might be hard chasing Mundine for 12 rounds - but not as hard as keeping Andrade of for 12 rounds and Kessler had enough air to come out swinging in the 12th round.

But if Mundine ever grows the balls to fight a live opponent again, then we might get that question answered :)

[China_hand_Joe]

Calzaghe didn't get worn down by all the shots Reid hit him with, he isn't getting worn down by Andrade. His jab would be snapping Andrades head back all night, just like Lacy.

[this bloke]

Kessler couldn't do roadwork for 6 weeks up to the fight - he had 30 rounds of light sparring ... Take a look at Kessler's stamina in the Andrade-fight and compare to the Mundine-fight and you'll see the differense.

It might be hard chasing Mundine for 12 rounds - but not as hard as keeping Andrade of for 12 rounds and Kessler had enough air to come out swinging in the 12th round.

But if Mundine ever grows the balls to fight a live opponent again, then we might get that question answered :)


how do u know what he could and couldnt do in his lead up were u in his fuckin corner!

[sean]

Well in all fairness - Calzaghe wasn't up 11-0 against Kessler :)

But to answer the question - not many - but Kessler does it too - Against Thobela and Andrade he also came out swinging for the last round although up 11-0 - according to himself to give the spectators a good show :)

Against Mundine he didn't do it that much - but that was mainly due to stamina-problems due to his long break from training prior to the fight.
yep i meant to put a little phrase in between lacy and kessler , but not rereading my posts for typo`s /mistakes / my typing speed does not keep up with my train of thought at the time and i often leave sentences out , thinking i have already typed them.:oops:

[THN]

pfft or it could be from what he mentioned in the ring in the post fight interview that Mundine was very hard to catch and tired him out

Sure! The greatest secret of the world Antony Mouthdine " the man"
The Argentinian fear him :rofl :rofl :rofl

[TomaTos]

You guys understand now how GREAT was KESSLER ? Calzaghe is even better..., Calzaghe annihilate Andrade !

[Faetter_BR]

how do u know what he could and couldnt do in his lead up were u in his fuckin corner!

Well it was no segret that Kessler hurt his back badly and that he couldn't do any roadwork in the 6 weeks before the fight because of backpains. He didn't spare in Denmark before going downunder to spare with Soliman - which was light sparing - partly because of Kessler's back partly because you don't do hard sparing the week upto a fight.

[Ilesey]

Calzaghe wins this one by a wide UD.

[Circa]

Calzaghe Lacyd Andrade

[this bloke]

Well it was no segret that Kessler hurt his back badly and that he couldn't do any roadwork in the 6 weeks before the fight because of backpains. He didn't spare in Denmark before going downunder to spare with Soliman - which was light sparing - partly because of Kessler's back partly because you don't do hard sparing the week upto a fight.

u cant always believe what a boxer or their promoter says before or after fights, just look at casamayor today he said he wasnt hurt during the fight,anyone that saw it can see he was

unless your their in a fighters entourage u never really know exactly whats goin on

[Faetter_BR]

u cant always believe what a boxer or their promoter says before or after fights, just look at casamayor today he said he wasnt hurt during the fight,anyone that saw it can see he was

unless your their in a fighters entourage u never really know exactly whats goin on

Of course you're never 100% sure. But I do know that he didn't spare before going down under - unless of course he spared in segret...

He got a back specialist (Thomas Macon) asign when he got his back hurt - Macon tolled him to lay of the roadwork - so I'm also pretty sure about the amount of roadwork too.

And if you watch the Mundine-fight and compares it to: Kessler-Thobela, Thysse and Andrade then the fitness differense is obvious.

Last indication: Kessler normally doesn't talk "shit" - he took his loss against calzaghe fine - no excuses. And Kessler has been very consitent saying he was not fit for the Mundine-fight and he has given me no reason to doubt that.

But as I said - if Mundine ever grows the balls to face Kessler again then we can all see with our own eyes the differense ... although we wouldn't get 12 rounds this time around :smoke

[Decebal]

You little prick :lol::lol:

Mundine wide UD Andy and Bute...



on the same night :hi:


And then, Choc wakes up and remembers Bika's called him out and that he's not sure how to get out of that one...or how to keep ducking Kessler some more...:hi:

[Decebal]

You guys understand now how GREAT was KESSLER ? Calzaghe is even better..., Calzaghe annihilate Andrade !

He does, but that is because Andrade's style is perfect for Calzaghe, not because of some transitivity relationship. Andrade is not as made to order for Calzaghe as Lacy, but it's close.

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam is right about Andrade - he's a monster. To do well against him, you need to be able to box very well, but you need the right style too. Kessler's style was perfect against Andrade. Calzaghe's style is not.

Calzaghe would tag him with jabs all night, would cut in and out and swarm him, would move circles around him, but would it be enough?

By the middle rounds, Calzaghe would have broken his hands trying to keep Andrade off him. And Andrade would keep coming and coming relentlessly forward. Unlike his other opponents, Andrade wouldn't bother defending his head when Calzaghe comes inside, because Calzaghe couldn't hurt him enough. Instead, he would use hard upercuts and work the body, grinding Calzaghe down, round after round. Calzaghe would score and score against him, but wouldn't hurt him; he'd keep coming forward time after time.

Against Kessler, he couldn't get through the jab, but Kessler is stronger. Calzaghe's jab is even better, but not as strong. Andrade would plough through it...

I wouldn't be surprised if Andrade ends up stopping Calzaghe in the championship rounds...

Of course, prime Calzaghe would be a big favourite against Andrade...but the Calzaghe who beat Kessler...well...it's a 50/50 fight; Andrade might jut have the style, chin, heart and will to win to beat Calzaghe at this stage...

What are your thoughts?

:huh

Calzaghe eats pressure fighters for breakfast, even with a broken hand he can easily outbox Andrade to a ridiculous UD with his footspeed and handspeed.

Why this anti-Calzaghe sentiment?

Calzaghe would win 120-108 best prepared, even now.

Bute on the other hand, I don't know. I could see Bute beating Andrade, but Andrade could win also, a 50/50.

[Amsterdam]

Yeah...footwork and everything else, as I said...

Superficially, you would say Calzaghe would love Andrade because he comes forward and Calzaghe can just counterpunch him to death, swarming him and moving away...doing to him what he dd to Lacy...

...and he would too! But then, IN THE LAST TWO ROUNDS, the pressure would be too much for him. Andrade's bodyshots would grind him down and finish him...Enzo would have to throw in the towel...alas!

:blood

Calzaghe's one of the most durable fighters around?

Shuts out Andrade for 10 rounds, eating next to nothing in terms of punishment and somehow gets destroyed the last 2?

[Decebal]

Why this anti-Calzaghe sentiment?



:lol:

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[China_hand_Joe]

Has Amsterdam made negative comments about Bute and upset you? Or is Andrade your new Bika?

Of course...most good boxers do that to him. Doesn't stop him coming forward, though, does it?

Calzaghe would win every round impressively until Andrade grinds him down and finishes him with bodyshots...it's a style's thing. Just ask Amsterdam.

[Decebal]

Has Amsterdam made negative comments about Bute and upset you?

Nah...both Amsterdam and you need to read my last couple of posts in the thread - that reply to sean, particularly.;)

Or is Andrade your new Bika?

Two of my favourite fighters and people out there at SMW are Andrade and Bika, yeah. I don't overrate either though. But neither do I underrate them. Would love to see the fight between them. But, I'd rather Andrade beat the shit out of Miranda first...

I have Andrade in my Top 5 now, after Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute and Mundine. I think Andrade would beat Mundine because of styles, but he is not as good, generally. I have Andrade before Froch and Inkin right now too...this might change after the two fight though. Taylor, I'm not sure where he fits in yet; I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and put him in the mix with the big boys for now...but not sure how high to rank him yet...

[China_hand_Joe]

Was Katsidis really the favorite yesterday? I didn't even look at the odds, I just assumed he was the massive underdog.

[Decebal]

Was Katsidis really the favorite yesterday? I didn't even look at the odds, I just assumed he was the massive underdog.

Katsidis was the big favourite...I think he was something like 1.4 with Casa being 2.5...if I remember right...

I picked Katsidis by stoppage, but frankly, it was the first time I had looked at these two and wasn't sure how good they were. I only watched a cople of rounds on youtube...and going by boxrec, Casa looked finished...I guess I was wrong...:|

[Max Molyneux]

Katsidis Is awful how could he been favoured, even Earl didn't find him hard to tag and Kat was gassing In the 5th.

Calzaghe could beat Andrade one handed.

[Amsterdam]

Katsidis was the big favourite...I think he was something like 1.4 with Casa being 2.5...if I remember right...

I picked Katsidis by stoppage, but frankly, it was the first time I had looked at these two and wasn't sure how good they were. I only watched a cople of rounds on youtube...and going by boxrec, Casa looked finished...I guess I was wrong...:|

I picked a few wrong and you don't trust my predictions anymore.:bart

I had Casa TKO 8 and was really confident.:yep

[China_hand_Joe]

Katsidis was the big favourite...I think he was something like 1.4 with Casa being 2.5...if I remember right...

I picked Katsidis by stoppage, but frankly, it was the first time I had looked at these two and wasn't sure how good they were. I only watched a cople of rounds on youtube...and going by boxrec, Casa looked finished...I guess I was wrong...:|

He really is the new Gatti, only shitter, if that is possible.

He be favorite going into a fight again soon, and against any half decent opponent he will lose again.

It doesn't matter that his opponent was half-shot. Also Amsterdam told you the result.

[Decebal]

I picked a few wrong and you don't trust my predictions anymore.:bart

I had Casa TKO 8 and was really confident.:yep

No...you're still the man, Amsterdam! :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

I didn't know you knew much about these two; I certainly did not...and frankly, it wasn't the fight I was interested in.

My prediction for really big fights is still perfect though:yep ; it seems I'm also lucky enough to guess how the judges might be influenced politically (e.g. Pac v. JMM)

Of course, it helps that on really big fights I always listen to you...and only go against you when you let your enthusiasm get the better of you e.g. Judah over Cotto, JMM over Pacman, Calzaghe by stoppage against Kessler, Povetking by stoppage against Chambers...:D

:good

[Decebal]

He really is the new Gatti, only shitter, if that is possible.

He be favorite going into a fight again soon, and against any half decent opponent he will lose again.

It doesn't matter that his opponent was half-shot.

Yeah, apparently this boy is really hyped. I saw him against Earl and he had heart but was very poor. I thought he'd have improved in the meantime...:-( What is certain is that his temperament is suspect - he makes the wrong decisions and throws whatever advantage he might have away, a bit like Stieglitz, who, incidentally, is underrated, skill-wise.

[Max Molyneux]

He was right about JMM over Pac, the judges just robbed him of a correct prediction.

[China_hand_Joe]

The judges will favor Calzaghe against Hopkins.

Not that they need too.

[Amsterdam]

The judges will favor Calzaghe against Hopkins.

Not that they need too.

The GOAT TKO Hopkins in 5?:think

Now remember that CHJ's prediction ratio is 100%, his analysis ratio is also 100%. He tried to convince me that Pac would get a shit decision regardless and he did.

Also had Calzaghe to outbox Kessler, nobody predicted that.

If CHJ says Calzaghe TKO 5 Hoppy, we should pay attention.

[Decebal]

He was right about JMM over Pac, the judges just robbed him of a correct prediction.

I took that into account...;)

:yep :yep :yep :yep :yep

In big fights like these, there's always a political angle as well. It made sense for the much younger, bigger star Pacquiao to win, business wise, particularly since he beat JMM the first time and it was called a draw.

[Amsterdam]

I took that into account...;)

:yep :yep :yep :yep :yep

In big fights like these, there's always a political angle as well. It made sense for the much younger, bigger star Pacquiao to win, business wise, particularly since he beat JMM the first time and it was called a draw.

I just analyse fighters guys.:yep

I called Marquez-Pac perfect, I said Marquez would win wide if not for a KD, if a KD happened, it would be closer and the judges would favour Pac.

I'm immensly sick of Manny Pacquaio and his dumbass fanatical fans.

[Decebal]

The GOAT TKO Hopkins in 5?:think

Now remember that CHJ's prediction ratio is 100%, his analysis ratio is also 100%. He tried to convince me that Pac would get a shit decision regardless and he did.

Also had Calzaghe to outbox Kessler, nobody predicted that.

If CHJ says Calzaghe TKO 5 Hoppy, we should pay attention.

Indeed. CHJ never gets them wrong.:yep

You should have listened to him, Amsterdam!:verysad

The more people argue the judges will rob Calzaghe, the higher the chance that they will police themselves and be fair. The ref, however, he's going to let Hopkins do his thing, of that I'm sure.

Still, Calzaghe should not lose more than 2 rounds tops, and yeah, he should really stop Hopkins, I agree.:good

[John18]

Read the first page and skipped to the end to comment.

Is this a case of Andrade beats a guy up so he must be better than Calzaghe?

Calzaghe by UD. Wide.

[China_hand_Joe]

Picking rounds is a bad idea.

In my iboga induced visions I don't see round numbers with a clock, it isn't like watching a fight on a TV screen.

[KCD]

i agree calzaghe wins convincingly and andrade loses to all fighters with quick hands and feet and decent defence eg calzaghe,mundine,kessler

on another note a fight i would love to see is andrade v danny green

God, that would be a WAR:bbb

[kel]

Andrade looked good today but the 2nd rate German still made him look slow on occasions. Calzaghe beats hiim 120-108 every day of the week. Mundine probably 118-110 (Mundine gets lazy for a rd or 2)

[Decebal]

Andrade looked good today but the 2nd rate German still made him look slow on occasions. Calzaghe beats hiim 120-108 every day of the week. Mundine probably 118-110 (Mundine gets lazy for a rd or 2)

2nd rate German? You make him sound like a good journeyman.

Stieglitz might never have the temperament to win a title, but he is a decent contender. Just because he was dropped by Berrio (could happen to anyone) and Andrade was too much for him, (he would be for many, even some of the best in the division), doesn't mean that Stieglitz is a bum.

Let's not forget he is still younger than any other contenders at SMW. His best days are very much ahead of him. He makes stupid decisions because he is inexperienced and because he doesn't know himself well enough. His temperament lets him down. But he will prove to be a good contender in a couple of years, I'm sure of that.

[Max Molyneux]

I took that into account...;)

:yep :yep :yep :yep :yep

In big fights like these, there's always a political angle as well. It made sense for the much younger, bigger star Pacquiao to win, business wise, particularly since he beat JMM the first time and it was called a draw.

JMM beat Pac twice, the draw was a robbery too.

What makes sense about Pac winning? Marquez fairly outboxed him.

[Decebal]

JMM beat Pac twice, the draw was a robbery too.

What makes sense about Pac winning? Marquez fairly outboxed him.

...business sense...(boxing is a business):


Pac is younger, he had at least another 2 years at the top in the game, unlike JMM, who could retire this year...
Pac is a bigger star with greater appeal to the fans, not least because of his style, which is exciting even to the casual fan
Pac would make bigger fights than JMM
Pac would have had to rematch JMM if he had lost. Assuming he won the rematch, they would have had to have a fourth fight to decide who's the best - what about the other big names in the sport who wanted a shot at Pacquiao - the latter would be pretty much finished by the time he fights them
the second fight was quite similar to the first...JMM was floored again and would have been floored again every time the two fought...it wouldn't have sold as well as other fights, for the same risk to Pacquiao
there's the Guzman factor - if JMM had won, nor he, nor Pacman would have fought Guzman - a big fight can happen between Guzman and JMM now...which breathes more life into the SFW division...etc.

[196osh]

Calzaghe UD.

He wins nearly every round also. :good

[*BOX_FAN*]

Calzaghe UD 3*120-108

[Krisv1]

Andrade is an C level fighter, Calzaghe is a B+ guy 2 different levels. He wins ia UD

[dwilson]

Calzaghe KO. Easy fight for JC against a guy who has just beaten a pig farmer.

[LightningJoe]

Andrade is an C level fighter, Calzaghe is a B+ guy 2 different levels. He wins ia UD

:patsch

[BigBone]

Calzaghe TKO6... no KD, no badly hurt Andrade but ref steps in to stop the massacre, too many clean punches.

Andrade is a good all-out fighter but Calzaghe would kick his a** so bad that his career would be over...


But! BRING ON ANDRADE-BIKA! Possible FOTY!

[sean]

before everyone keeps on getting carried away decebal has said the thread was a wind up on certain posters rating of andrade.

[Decebal]

before everyone keeps on getting carried away decebal has said the thread was a wind up on certain posters rating of andrade.

:yep

:deal :deal :deal :deal :deal

Thanks, sean!

I like Librado a lot and I rate him in my Top 5 or 6 at SMW now, but that's about it...

[pecks]

Last indication: Kessler normally doesn't talk "shit" - he took his loss against calzaghe fine - no excuses. And Kessler has been very consitent saying he was not fit for the Mundine-fight and he has given me no reason to doubt that.

Not quite.

Kessler has been making excuses for his loss to Calzaghe. In a recent interview he went on about his hand injury, and then said he now knows he has to be 100% for big fights.

I will agree though that his stamiona in the Mundine fight was considerably poorer than his regular output.