View Full Version : So..Do you guys think Kats is off the map now?
MagnificentMatt
03-23-2008, 11:26 AM
I sure hope so, people were talking him fighting Juan Diaz and all that..WHat did he do in the first place to deserve that...
Decebal
03-23-2008, 11:28 AM
No...because he lost to an elite fighter, supposedly.
He is also an all-action bang-for-buck fighter, so he will always be in demand, especially being so popular and having deadlined his own show on HBO.
Antwuan Maxx
03-23-2008, 11:29 AM
I sure hope so, people were talking him fighting Juan Diaz and all that..WHat did he do in the first place to deserve that...
:huh Why would you hope that? Katsidis is one of the most exciting fighters to watch right now. Nobody really rates him that high (before or after last night), but he is must see tv.
No...because he lost to an elite fighter, supposedly.
He is also an all-action bang-for-buck fighter, so he will always be in demand, especially being so popular and having deadlined his own show on HBO.
Totally agree! Plus can you imagine Katsidis v Diaz?
It would be a total war, plus a t.v. broadcasting dream!
He is still top 10.
CJLightweight
03-23-2008, 11:36 AM
I think we'll get to enjoy seeing for a couple of years, with the kind of talent there is at lightweight i doubt it he'll suceed there. He'll also probably be involve in a war with a B- level fighter at best and make a trilogy and a fight of a year out of it(ala gatti-ward)
Johnnyblaze
03-23-2008, 11:55 AM
considering their styles, i'd still like to see diaz vs. katsidis!!!! i'd pay for that shit!!!
theunderdog
03-23-2008, 11:58 AM
you'll hear about him again. give him two or three fights and he'll be good to go
Sebastien
03-23-2008, 12:30 PM
No... he made a stupid mistake, loading his shots early round 10. He was successfully applying pressure, was taking away Casamayor's confidence, had adjusted to the straight left...
I mean, at that rate he was inflicting more punishment and more and more controlling the fight.
Why he decided to get careless I have no clue. He had Casamayor exactly where he wanted him!
I think Katsidis wins a rematch. And based on the quality of the fight and the back and forth action, they should give him one.
fitzgeraldz
03-23-2008, 12:33 PM
Yes because he got exposed for being reckless and no thinking ... this is not only a sport based on physical stength but its also a thinking man game.
He got out smarted by the smarter Casamayor -- he under estimated Casa and thats one think you shouldn't do as a fight is under estimate anyone.
I don't see him beating any of the elite or any of the other contenders.
He can't box ... he's a nervous reck in the ring ... and he's one dimensional.
He can't adjust --
I see Zahir Raheem beating him ... what a hype job!!
Sebastien
03-23-2008, 12:36 PM
Yes because he got exposed for being reckless and no thinking ... this is not only a sport based on physical stength but its also a thinking man game.
He got out smarted by the smarter Casamayor -- he under estimated Casa and thats one think you shouldn't do as a fight is under estimate anyone.
I don't see him beating any of the elite or any of the other contenders.
He can't box ... he's a nervous reck in the ring ... and he's one dimensional.
He can't adjust -
I see Zahir Raheem beating him ... what a hype job!!
I disagree, he did adjust after the first 2-3 rounds. He wasn't careless before the 10th.
However round 10 is a mystery to me.
I want a fucking rematch! That fight was the best of the year so far.
no sir, vazquez-marquez III.
Yes because he got exposed for being reckless and no thinking ... this is not only a sport based on physical stength but its also a thinking man game.
He got out smarted by the smarter Casamayor -- he under estimated Casa and thats one think you shouldn't do as a fight is under estimate anyone.
I don't see him beating any of the elite or any of the other contenders.
He can't box ... he's a nervous reck in the ring ... and he's one dimensional.
He can't adjust --
I see Zahir Raheem beating him ... what a hype job!!
Good old Zahir, he cured my insomnia last year.:smoke
I havent seen the fight yet but if it was so good let them get it on again:bbb
fitzgeraldz
03-23-2008, 12:52 PM
The same result will happen ... Katsidis hasn't fought anyone and Casamayor has been in the ring with every kind of fighter.
your avitar sucks KCD
he was winning on 2 of the scorecards going into the tenth after being down 3 points after the first. so he pretty much won 7 of 9 rounds. he got careless and fought stupid in the 10th. that is how he is built and the same thing might happen again. but if he had boxed the last couple of rounds he most likely would have won the fight. i see no reason why a rematch canèt happen ASAP.
fitzgeraldz
03-23-2008, 01:15 PM
Casa took it out of the hands of the judges and won the fight convincigly ... not dispute ... no controversy.
Katsidis is going to have to work his way back up ... being that was his first title shot and him not beating anyone who accomplished anything in the division.
I see him losing to Raiymkulov, Campbell, Julio Diaz, Acelino Freitas, Juan Diaz, and again to Casa.
I think this guy is really going to have start back at square 1 ... he's young and in another 3 or 4 fights against stiff competition and stepping stones -- hopefully he wouldve learned and adjusted.
JAM Killer
03-23-2008, 01:20 PM
How does losing to a future hall of famer mean you are off the map?
Get real, and try to understand boxing a little more.
C Money
03-23-2008, 01:20 PM
Katsidis fought a very tough fight but learned a lesson in getting careless. Casa sucked him into over agression and made him pay.
Personally? I wouldnt have stopped it at that moment:nono Its certain that Katsidis was hurt, but still punching.
Off the map?:lol: Please, thats ridiculous. He fought a great fight against the Champ. His style has inherent flaws and the long term doesnt look too bright, but he's still in the mix.
Buddy La
03-23-2008, 01:30 PM
It's one loss, not the end of the world. He got reckless in the 10th - thinking it was the 11th, while his corner telling him it was the 8th wtf?. IMO, he was whooping the old man and caught with a good shot. He can get right back into the mix and do some damage.
D_knowsboxing
03-23-2008, 01:38 PM
Round 1 was a culture shock for Kats. He was in the bright lights and got hit with a couple punches that dropped him twice early. If the judges had him ahead of Casa going into the 10th, then they were bought. I'm glad Casa took the judging out of the equation by KOing this guy. Kellerman was dead on when he brought up the comparasons to Gatti. Kats will be great to watch, bleeds if you breathe on him wrong, and is basically a human punching bag. His brawling style is entertaining, but overall he has limited skills. Kats may want to go back to the drawing board and think about not brawling b/c that will shorten his career and it does nothing for him when his opponent is thinking. Kats got his confidence up and got lured into that shot from Casa.
sugarngold
03-23-2008, 01:40 PM
Emphatically - NO. A fighter like Katisdis will never be "off the map". He is far too entertaining to watch and gives his all every time out. When people talk about Katsidis being the next Gatti - they are partially correct - he is the first Katsidis "The Great".
fitzgeraldz
03-23-2008, 01:40 PM
Round 1 was a culture shock for Kats. He was in the bright lights and got hit with a couple punches that dropped him twice early. If the judges had him ahead of Casa going into the 10th, then they were bought. I'm glad Casa took the judging out of the equation by KOing this guy. Kellerman was dead on when he brought up the comparasons to Gatti. Kats will be great to watch, bleeds if you breathe on him wrong, and is basically a human punching bag. His brawling style is entertaining, but overall he has limited skills. Kats may want to go back to the drawing board and think about not brawling b/c that will shorten his career and it does nothing for him when his opponent is thinking. Kats got his confidence up and got lured into that shot from Casa.
Put together so perfectly ... :good
fitzgeraldz
03-23-2008, 01:43 PM
Anyone who keeps responding just check out the fight then read D's post and you should find your answer.
He won't be off the map but to take him serious as a person who can be a serious threat is ridiculous. He will be a solid voluntary defense for one of the champions who wants to win and look good doing it.
Hell Katsidis got dropped by Casa who last dropped someone was Chico a few years back.
klion22
03-23-2008, 02:38 PM
Two of the most exciting fights you will ever see occured in Katsidiz's last 2 fights. This guy is all heart. He's fun to watch and he would've beat Casamayor had he just stayed on his feet for the 12 rounds.
RafaelGonzal
03-23-2008, 04:39 PM
Katsidis has got to learn how to slip punches on the way in, how to weave and feint he comes straight in and wont fare well against good fighters until he corrects this .
D_knowsboxing
03-23-2008, 06:16 PM
if you rewatch the fight, Casa was baiting Katz into that rush style. Watch round 8 or so when Katz started putting the pressure on and got caught with the same punch that would put him out in the 10th. Like I said before, Katz needs to go back to the drawing board after this one... One thing that bothers me is how Katz is praised as an 'exciting' fighter. :-( Forgive me if i don't find find a human punching bag exciting. Katz is a limited fighter and his biggest asset is his heart. No overwhelming boxing skill set. No granite chin... too easy to hit... Cuts way too easy... They call those type of fighters, club fighters. Gatti and Katz belong in that category as of now.. Katz is still young, so he could develop into something more than the club fighter with heart... Gatti is unfortunately stuck there.:!:
rexobse
03-23-2008, 06:29 PM
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Kats was already at the edge of the map when his face was re-arranged by unknown boxer Czar Amonsot.
pecks
03-23-2008, 06:45 PM
No.
I think there will be many guys wanting to see him fight in the future. He yields such an entertaining style that brings non boxing fans to the sport. he can only be good for boxing imo.
Rise Above
03-23-2008, 07:32 PM
I cant believe all the haters on ESB. I bet none of you have ever been near a boxing ring let alone in one. So Katsidis lost, its happened to the best and will continue to happen but dont think that for one minute it means that as soon as a guy loses he is finished or exposed. Katsidis fought like a warrior and should be respected for it. Most of you whinge when a fight isnt exciting enough and then as soon as a fighter comes out and gives it his all and puts on a show for the fans he gets called a hype job because he lost.
Decebal
03-23-2008, 07:33 PM
I cant believe all the haters on ESB. I bet none of you have ever been near a boxing ring let alone in one. So Katsidis lost, its happened to the best and will continue to happen but dont think that for one minute it means that as soon as a guy loses he is finished or exposed. Katsidis fought like a warrior and should be respected for it. Most of you whinge when a fight isnt exciting enough and then as soon as a fighter comes out and gives it his all and puts on a show for the fans he gets called a hype job because he lost.
:deal :deal :deal
C Money
03-23-2008, 07:55 PM
Its the majority of FRAUD groupies doin most the hating and aint it funny?:lol:
They act like Katsidis didnt send him out the ring and appeared in control. Casa showed what THAT LEVEL is ALL ABOUT.:cool:
Katsidis got more left, keep him active and take THE FIGHTS.
marty
03-23-2008, 08:01 PM
I sure hope so, people were talking him fighting Juan Diaz and all that..WHat did he do in the first place to deserve that...
Hope not, he is one exciting fighter
D_knowsboxing
03-23-2008, 08:41 PM
I cant believe all the haters on ESB. I bet none of you have ever been near a boxing ring let alone in one. So Katsidis lost, its happened to the best and will continue to happen but dont think that for one minute it means that as soon as a guy loses he is finished or exposed. Katsidis fought like a warrior and should be respected for it. Most of you whinge when a fight isnt exciting enough and then as soon as a fighter comes out and gives it his all and puts on a show for the fans he gets called a hype job because he lost.
I for one, do not 'whinge' when a fight isn't exciting b/c I can appreciate the chess match that is in progress. I have said and still stand by what I've said in Katz is limited. To put him up against the top LW is sending him infront of the execution squad. If your fanboyness clouds your judgement about Katz being outclassed by a champ then that's a whole other issue. I wouldn't say Katz is exposed or finished, but I would say he isn't ready for top tier or even elite opposition. He has FUNDAMENTAL flaws that make him easily hitable and his 'blood and guts' will be left in the ring in extreme fashion if he doesn't address those flaws. Katz is talented and I feel that if he addresses the flaws he does have then he will be a good fighter. He will not be elite or top tier, but good. You have to see a lemon as a lemon, nothing more and nothing less.:good
wayne3280
03-23-2008, 09:05 PM
I for one, do not 'whinge' when a fight isn't exciting b/c I can appreciate the chess match that is in progress. I have said and still stand by what I've said in Katz is limited. To put him up against the top LW is sending him infront of the execution squad. If your fanboyness clouds your judgement about Katz being outclassed by a champ then that's a whole other issue. I wouldn't say Katz is exposed or finished, but I would say he isn't ready for top tier or even elite opposition. He has FUNDAMENTAL flaws that make him easily hitable and his 'blood and guts' will be left in the ring in extreme fashion if he doesn't address those flaws. Katz is talented and I feel that if he addresses the flaws he does have then he will be a good fighter. He will not be elite or top tier, but good. You have to see an lemon as a lemon, nothing more and nothing less.:good
I agree totally with your last statement. It's a shame you've seen an lemon as a carrot though.
PorkChopExpress
03-23-2008, 09:30 PM
I sure hope so, people were talking him fighting Juan Diaz and all that..WHat did he do in the first place to deserve that...
pfft.
Rise Above
03-24-2008, 12:25 AM
I for one, do not 'whinge' when a fight isn't exciting b/c I can appreciate the chess match that is in progress. I have said and still stand by what I've said in Katz is limited. To put him up against the top LW is sending him infront of the execution squad. If your fanboyness clouds your judgement about Katz being outclassed by a champ then that's a whole other issue. I wouldn't say Katz is exposed or finished, but I would say he isn't ready for top tier or even elite opposition. He has FUNDAMENTAL flaws that make him easily hitable and his 'blood and guts' will be left in the ring in extreme fashion if he doesn't address those flaws. Katz is talented and I feel that if he addresses the flaws he does have then he will be a good fighter. He will not be elite or top tier, but good. You have to see an lemon as a lemon, nothing more and nothing less.:good
I have no problem with admitting he was beaten by the better man. I am not a fanboy and know that he was outclassed by a champ, but does that mean he deserves to be disrespected ? I do agree he is limited but so are alot of guys in the sport. My problem is with the haters who will say that he is finished and was never a contender in the first place. I never said everyone 'whinges' but there are alot of people on ESB who are impossible to please, these are the ones my post was directed towards.
knockout
03-24-2008, 12:43 AM
No he can still fight Diaz.
Larson
03-24-2008, 12:55 AM
Hell no, there's huge dollars to be made in a Juan Diaz clash, or a rematch.
knockout
03-24-2008, 12:56 AM
Hell no, there's huge dollars to be made in a Juan Diaz clash, or a rematch.Why is there one?
Larson
03-24-2008, 01:00 AM
Why is there one?
Dunno. :conf
I hope so.
knockout
03-24-2008, 01:03 AM
No, I'd much rather watch Kats then certain superstar tactical fighters. I think most FIGHT fans would agree with me.Blood and guts fighters.:thumbsup
CJLightweight
03-24-2008, 01:45 AM
I have no problem with admitting he was beaten by the better man. I am not a fanboy and know that he was outclassed by a champ, but does that mean he deserves to be disrespected ? I do agree he is limited but so are alot of guys in the sport. My problem is with the haters who will say that he is finished and was never a contender in the first place. I never said everyone 'whinges' but there are alot of people on ESB who are impossible to please, these are the ones my post was directed towards.
nobody said he is off, he is exciting fighter to watch and nobody hates katsidis, but thats that..what people are saying is that he will never be in elite level but for his style he will always be in a fight with elite level only for the elites to look good as they will win. Katsidis is a limited fighter, but if somehow change his style perhaps he will find ways to win against elite competition. Barrera for example has developed to be a boxer in the middle carreer
theunderdog
03-24-2008, 02:23 AM
nobody said he is off, he is exciting fighter to watch and nobody hates katsidis, but thats that..what people are saying is that he will never be in elite level but for his style he will always be in a fight with elite level only for the elites to look good as they will win. Katsidis is a limited fighter, but if somehow change his style perhaps he will find ways to win against elite competition. Barrera for example has developed to be a boxer in the middle carreer
post your scorecard on that fight
rexobse
03-24-2008, 02:44 AM
No, I'd much rather watch Kats then certain superstar tactical fighters. I think most FIGHT fans would agree with me.
Sure... show no mercy on Kats since he's a pure blood and guts fighter...
Decebal
03-24-2008, 07:13 AM
Just watched the Katsidis fight and liked the young 'un very much. There were three of four instances in that fight when he almost had the old man beat. Great fight.
All the best in the future to Mike!:happy
RafaelGonzal
03-24-2008, 07:27 PM
No.
I think there will be many guys wanting to see him fight in the future. He yields such an entertaining style that brings non boxing fans to the sport. he can only be good for boxing imo.
Provided he is carefully matched he can have a decent career but not a very long career considring his style. His biggest drawback is his lack of truly crunching power.
nickfoxx
03-24-2008, 07:44 PM
first of all, to denigrate katsidis after that fight is ridiculous, he lost a war with an almost legendary fighter, sure he got exposed but so did ray mancini in some of his fights... i think what this fight showed is how much casamayor still has in the tank
klion22
03-24-2008, 07:55 PM
No, I'd much rather watch Kats then certain superstar tactical fighters. I think most FIGHT fans would agree with me.
Yeah, but in boxing, they are the ones who usually win because of their superior boxing skills. :good
Arriba
03-24-2008, 08:01 PM
I fail to see why anybody wouldn't want to see Katsidis fight again.
If you likehim you'll get an all action fight with tons of blood and guts.
If you hate him you'll get the opportunity to see him eat a big punch and get KD or potentially KTFO.
Win win if ya ask me.
RafaelGonzal
03-24-2008, 11:12 PM
first of all, to denigrate katsidis after that fight is ridiculous, he lost a war with an almost legendary fighter, sure he got exposed but so did ray mancini in some of his fights... i think what this fight showed is how much casamayor still has in the tank
dont be fooled Casa is through and got lucky. A prime Casa would have ripped Kat in 1 rd.
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