Soto vs Guzman

[Boom_Boom]

on ESPN

Guzman was also in the hunt for the fall fight with Pacquiao, but running behind Soto. Now that neither one of them is getting the match, there is talk that they will fight each other this fall, possibly on the Pacquiao-Barrera II HBO PPV undercard. Good fight.


I remember there was talks of this happening back in January, but Guzman's manager rejected it because it wasnt enough time for Guzman to prepare, and now Guzman has been inactive for awhile now blaming the security of a high profiled fight,but with this fight on the card the winner will clearly have to go against the winner of the Main event of Pac-Mab 2.

Soto vs. Guzman
Who do ya'll got?

[IntentionalButt]

Great fight, although I'd much rather have seen either fighting Pac this fall (which would have still allowed for MAB-JMM II...the ideal course of events).

[Shpion]

That is exactly what needs to happen, for these to fight, with the winner earning a shot at Pacman. I am leaning towards a UD by Soto who is younger and much stronger, with a lightly better comptetition.

[brooklyn1550]

I like Guzman by decision

[SkillsSoSmooth]

If Bob Pac can give Soto problems then my boy Guzzy is gonna give him nightmares!! lol,

Guzman Ud

[myk]

I'm going for Soto to win by decision as well.

[Oscar de la Roa]

guzman way too fast and slick 4 soto

[kNIVEK]

i pick guzman

[1punch1nder]

id go for guzman so the pacquiao fight would materialize.

[PacDbest]

I pick Guzman, I'm tired of Pacquiao picking only mexicans.

[Thinman]

That is exactly what needs to happen, for these to fight, with the winner earning a shot at Pacman. I am leaning towards a UD by Soto who is younger and much stronger, with a lightly better comptetition.

I just want to ask you a question. Who is the champion at the present? I haven't followed this division very close. I know that Pac is one of the best (maybe the best) at 130 right now, I thought at one point that he was the champ, but I think he's not the champ. Why do you say... "with the winner earning a shot at Pacman"?

[Thinman]

If Bob Pac can give Soto problems then my boy Guzzy is gonna give him nightmares!! lol,

Guzman Ud

You know what, I think Guzman should beat him, but I have question for you. Do you really think that Guzman has a good chin? I haven't seeing too much of Guzman, so I can't tell, I think he has the smarts to win a decission but I am not sure if he can take big punches to the chin.

[hooligan]

guzman is gonna get exposed by soto ud

[mangtiny]

ｓｏｔｏ　ｂｙ　ｕｄ

[natep]

i saw in that barrios fight that guzman got hit quite a bit when he was exchanging with him. guzman could outbox him but soto can definitely drag him into a war and knock him down with a good punch.

[liljp361]

I would pay to see this.

[Spitfire7]

Tough and exciting fight should this bout materialize. A pick em. If Guzzy can weather the early troubles and the first half, and can stand to Zorrita's power, he will outbox him for a close UD.

[boxbox]

soto by KO at later rds

[knockout]

Soto cuz he has more power.:smoke Anyways i hope this fight does happen.

[PacDbest]

I would pay to see this.

Don't give DLH an Idea.

[IntentionalButt]

Don't give DLH an Idea.

This is every bit as good a PPV as MAB-PAC :nod

[Brickhaus]

Soto by KO. I say Guzman's reluctance to mix it up puts him behind, and he finally gets exposed for what he is - a supremely talented fighter who has no heart and no instinct.

[IntentionalButt]

Guzman has pop, people overlook it because he's so slick. I don't know that Humberto necessarily has the better punch. And I say this as a rabid Soto fan.

[Brickhaus]

Guzman has pop, people overlook it because he's so slick. I don't know that Humberto necessarily has the better punch. And I say this as a rabid Soto fan.

Guzman has no pop, especially not at higher weights. Guzman's KOs have come by overwhelming guys wityh speed, not by hitting them hard. Guzman's power is below average for 130.

[Danny Ocean]

guzman is too faST hand and feet

guzman ud

[Shpion]

I just want to ask you a question. Who is the champion at the present? I haven't followed this division very close. I know that Pac is one of the best (maybe the best) at 130 right now, I thought at one point that he was the champ, but I think he's not the champ. Why do you say... "with the winner earning a shot at Pacman"?

If you had seen my posts before, I care less about the stupid straps that in some instances awarded to undeserving fighters without a fight. To me, and I think most of the posters on this board, Pacman is #1 in that division not only in terms of accomplishment but also in terms of the drawing power, therefore, fighters like Soto and Guzman need to earn a shot against him.

[Shpion]

Guzman has pop, people overlook it because he's so slick. I don't know that Humberto necessarily has the better punch. And I say this as a rabid Soto fan.

Are you kidding? The guy has not Ko'd anybody in over 3 years, and cosnidering his mediocore opposition, I think it is safe to say that since he moved up in weight he has a feather pop.

[IntentionalButt]

Guzman has no pop, especially not at higher weights. Guzman's KOs have come by overwhelming guys wityh speed, not by hitting them hard. Guzman's power is below average for 130.

He snapped Barrios's head back more than a few times.

[Guido]

Damn -- I hadn't thought of these two together before, but this fight might be the most interesting fight at 130. We know Pac can handle all of his proposed challengers (well, some of us think we know), but Soto and Guzman are both tough, rugged, and just generally bad-ass. I'd pick Guzman only because I've seen him fight more and I think he has better skill than Soto.

This is still a pick 'em match though -- both guys are hungry for a big fight and will want to prove their worth.

[IntentionalButt]

Damn -- I hadn't thought of these two together before, but this fight might be the most interesting fight at 130. We know Pac can handle all of his proposed challengers (well, some of us think we know), but Soto and Guzman are both tough, rugged, and just generally bad-ass. I'd pick Guzman only because I've seen him fight more and I think he has better skill than Soto.

This is still a pick 'em match though -- both guys are hungry for a big fight and will want to prove their worth.

It does make perfect sense - they're the two guys everybody's been picking as best chances to beat Pac for a long time now. Why not have them go head-to-head with the more deserving challenger getting the shot?

[Shpion]

He snapped Barrios's head back more than a few times.


So??? Paulie Malignani kncoked down the iron chined N'Dou, so can we say now that he has a pop?

[IntentionalButt]

So??? Paulie Malignani kncoked down the iron chined N'Dou, so can we say now that he has a pop?
Power comes in different forms. A single crisp, clean, fast punch from a weaker fighter who knows how to effectively distribute his body weight can be just as damaging as a wild shot from a naturally stronger powerhouse. Less physically imposing guys don't necessarily have to rely on accumulation if they perfect the art of throwing.

[Shpion]

Power comes in different forms. A single crisp, clean, fast punch from a weaker fighter who knows how to effectively distribute his body weight can be just as damaging as a wild shot from a naturally stronger powerhouse. Less physically imposing guys don't necessarily have to rely on accumulation if they perfect the art of throwing.

Yes, the fighters that have no pop can do that but usually against a much weaker opposition, ala like Chris Byrd. When such a fighter meets somebody on the even level in terms of skills concerned, there is a very low probability that the fighter would be constantly succesfull with the placement of the shots.

[IntentionalButt]

Yes, the fighters that have no pop can do that but usually against a much weaker opposition, ala like Chris Byrd. When such a fighter meets somebody on the even level in terms of skills concerned, there is a very low probability that the fighter would be constantly succesfull with the placement of the shots.
Soto's very skilled, but his style is such that Guzman will be able to land clean on him enough to test his chin. Which I think is tough but not certified iron.

[Shpion]

Soto's very skilled, but his style is such that Guzman will be able to land clean on him enough to test his chin. Which I think is tough but not certified iron.


Same applies to Guzman, he gets hit plenty, and at least Soto has been Koing people quite consistently.

[IntentionalButt]

Same applies to Guzman, he gets hit plenty, and at least Soto has been Koing people quite consistently.

True. I'm not cemented one way or another on this fight. And either one deserves a shot at MP, so win-win situation from a fan perspective.

[Shpion]

True. I'm not cemented one way or another on this fight. And either one deserves a shot at MP, so win-win situation from a fan perspective.

Definetly a win-win situation for the fans.:good

[HECDAWG]

guzman will outbox and win on the inside for a ud or late ko. PLATANO POWER

[Thinman]

If you had seen my posts before, I care less about the stupid straps that in some instances awarded to undeserving fighters without a fight. To me, and I think most of the posters on this board, Pacman is #1 in that division not only in terms of accomplishment but also in terms of the drawing power, therefore, fighters like Soto and Guzman need to earn a shot against him.

I understand you perfectly, and sometimes myfself don't care about the belts as well, but we have to be reallistic here. If Pac cares about the belt then he has to fight for that. It is not about what you and I or anybody else think.

If the fight between Soto and Guzman doesn't come off, then he will have just one option, and that is to fight JMM, but we know of the problems between GBP and Arum, and therefore that fight might never happen.

So, what is he going to do? Do you think that he won't fight Soto or Guzman because he will think that they don't deserve a shot/they haven't earned it?

Pac should fight all of them regardless, same goes for Soto, Guzman and JMM, they should fight each other too.

It is pathetic to see how many boxers don't fight other boxers for just stupid reasons.

If I were Pac, I would try my best to fight them all, either as a challenger or as a champ and clean the division.

[Shpion]

I understand you perfectly, and sometimes myfself don't care about the belts as well, but we have to be reallistic here. If Pac cares about the belt then he has to fight for that. It is not about what you and I or anybody else think.

If the fight between Soto and Guzman doesn't come off, then he will have just one option, and that is to fight JMM, but we know of the problems between GBP and Arum, and therefore that fight might never happen.

So, what is he going to do? Do you think that he won't fight Soto or Guzman because he will think that they don't deserve a shot/they haven't earned it?

Pac should fight all of them regardless, same goes for Soto, Guzman and JMM, they should fight each other too.

It is pathetic to see how many boxers don't fight other boxers for just stupid reasons.

If I were Pac, I would try my best to fight them all, either as a challenger or as a champ and clean the division.

I think it is safe to classify Pacman is one of the very few fighters that will fight anybody put in front of them. I also think he does not care much about the belts but the names he fights, and for that he gets the most respect at least from me.

[pejevan]

i would love to see valero and guzman fight. it's 0-loss vs. a 0-loss fighters with similarly padded records. Both have faced only one credible opposition (credible simply means good, probably B+ fighters) in Mosqueda and Barrios for valero and guzman respectively. I think it is high time that the zero loss record should be tested just like what they did before, i.e; Azumah Nelson (13-0-0, yep his 13th prof fight) had to fight Salvador Sanchez.

[psychopath]

on ESPN

Guzman was also in the hunt for the fall fight with Pacquiao, but running behind Soto. Now that neither one of them is getting the match, there is talk that they will fight each other this fall, possibly on the Pacquiao-Barrera II HBO PPV undercard. Good fight.


I remember there was talks of this happening back in January, but Guzman's manager rejected it because it wasnt enough time for Guzman to prepare, and now Guzman has been inactive for awhile now blaming the security of a high profiled fight,but with this fight on the card the winner will clearly have to go against the winner of the Main event of Pac-Mab 2.

Soto vs. Guzman
Who do ya'll got?

Yeah buddy . . . a very good fight.

I'm picking Guzman on this if it happens. Soto got hurt by Bobpac who's not even half skilled or as fast as Guzman . . . and though Guzman has no power . . . I'm seing him getting a U.D.

It's Soto by K.O. or Guzman via U.D. I'm picking the latter. :yep

[Boom_Boom]

update:

looks like the talks are getting more serious now

Now that Manny Pacquiao and Marco Antonio Barrera will meet in an HBO PPV rematch Oct. 6 at Las Vegas' Mandalay Bay, it means junior lightweight titlist Joan Guzman and top contender Humberto Soto are out as possible opponents for either of them. But in the wake of the Top Rank-Golden Boy settlement, the sides are talking about matching Guzman and Soto this fall, either on the Oct. 6 card or on a separate show. A lot will depend on Soto's willingness to forego a mandatory shot against the winner of the Sept. 15 Marquez-Barrios title bout and fight Guzman for his version of the title instead.

so its in Soto's hand if he wants to chase Marquez for the WBC belt or Pacquiao with the WBA belt as well if he beats guzman.

[ayala]

I would go with Guzman for the simple fact that he is fast with both hands and feet,also very slick

[IntentionalButt]

update:

looks like the talks are getting more serious now

Now that Manny Pacquiao and Marco Antonio Barrera will meet in an HBO PPV rematch Oct. 6 at Las Vegas' Mandalay Bay, it means junior lightweight titlist Joan Guzman and top contender Humberto Soto are out as possible opponents for either of them. But in the wake of the Top Rank-Golden Boy settlement, the sides are talking about matching Guzman and Soto this fall, either on the Oct. 6 card or on a separate show. A lot will depend on Soto's willingness to forego a mandatory shot against the winner of the Sept. 15 Marquez-Barrios title bout and fight Guzman for his version of the title instead.

so its in Soto's hand if he wants to chase Marquez for the WBC belt or Pacquiao with the WBA belt as well if he beats guzman.

Nothing bad can come of any of this.

I fucking love this division! :happy:happy:happy

[liljp361]

Don't give DLH an Idea.

For these great fighters i wouldnt mind ;) lol