View Full Version : Who has/had the best jab of this generation?
Slicknick56
07-13-2007, 02:04 AM
in no particular order i think the top guys are quartey, wright and de la hoya.
quartey i think was better than winkys because quarteys was brutal. his problem was he had no defense to take shots coming back to him. Wrights is a good set up tool and does what its supposed to. quick snap and brought right back to his chin. de la hoyas was quick, snappy and powerful also and set up those crazy combos he used to throw.
those are my faves.
magnum
07-13-2007, 02:06 AM
in no particular order i think the top guys are quartey, wright and de la hoya.
quartey i think was better than winkys because quarteys was brutal. his problem was he had no defense to take shots coming back to him. Wrights is a good set up tool and does what its supposed to. quick snap and brought right back to his chin. de la hoyas was quick, snappy and powerful also and set up those crazy combos he used to throw.
those are my faves.
Quartey easily outjabbed Oscar in their fight and he was around 3" shorter. Not that Oscar didn't have a great jab, Ike is just on another level altogether.
Slicknick56
07-13-2007, 02:07 AM
agree agree
Quartey is such a "what could have been" fighter if there ever was one.
Oscar de la Roa
07-13-2007, 02:13 AM
actually quartey`s jab is the best i have seen
brooklyn1550
07-13-2007, 02:14 AM
Quite a few come to mind
Ike Quartey
Winky Wright
Wladimir Klitschko
Marco Antonio Barrera
Lennox Lewis
Oscar De La Hoya
Mikkel Kessler
Rafael Marquez
smokey
07-13-2007, 04:37 AM
As far as effectiveness, I'd put it between Quartey, Wright, and Klitschko. Those are three fights who can win a fight on nothing but the jab. Lewis's jab was good, too, but I wouldn't rank it as being in the best of the era.
Ike has the best jab I've ever seen period. You can even ask Oscar.
Wlad is close second. He destroyed Brewster and a host of other guys with it. Notice how he refuse to throw the right hand in most of his fights until the 5 or 6 rounds and then when they've tried to figure out the jab...boom lands the right hand.
Vitali but he uses it to set up rather than as a main weapon.
Id say either Klitschko or Wright. Oscars although good, was not really a trademark of his. Quarteys was good as well, but it failed him in his biggest fights. Id say from all of these guys Wladimirs is the best, simply because its powerful, fast and percise. Wright falls behind because his is not as powerful Pound 4 pound.
Dennis
07-13-2007, 05:34 AM
Andre Berto seems to be developing a pretty good jab. Possibly one of the best jabs of the upcoming generation.
For now I think the top 3 is Quartey, Wlad and Winky.
Stimulant
07-13-2007, 05:36 AM
Right now it's Wladimir Klitschko no doubt.
Tony Harrison
07-13-2007, 05:57 AM
What about Floyd Mayweather?
Lennox Lewis had a somewhat eratic jab, against shorter opposition he used it as a ram-rod and enflicted some serious damage, at other times he seemed to use it merely as a range finder.
If we're talking about Kessler we should mention Calzaghe, he can look untouchable when boxing behind his jab, too often he is drawn into scrappy brawls when he could win easily fighting at range.
China_hand_Joe
07-13-2007, 06:24 AM
Joe Calzaghe. He has won fights, jabbing alone. But what makes Joes jab better than Quartey etc is how it complements the rest of his arsenal\ Calzaghe jabs is the perfect probing punch\
Faetter_BR
07-13-2007, 06:31 AM
Joe Calzaghe. He has won fights, jabbing alone. But what makes Joes jab better than Quartey etc is how it complements the rest of his arsenal\ Calzaghe jabs is the perfect probing punch\
you're so funny sometimes... :hey
China_hand_Joe
07-13-2007, 06:43 AM
Calzaghe could beat a lot of pro fighters with his eyes closed, seriously. Just feeling them out with the jab, then distracting and opening them up with it.
China_hand_Joe
07-13-2007, 06:48 AM
We can't rate other fighters jabs better than Calzaghe's just because the rest of their game is weaker. Calzaghe has proven himself to have the best jab in the world, he is just such a brilliant all round fighter he doesn't need to rely on it at all.
Senya13
07-13-2007, 06:58 AM
Mikkel Kessler. All-time top 5 jab.
Lennox Lewis. He pawed it occasionally, but when he was on song it was as good as Holmes'. Watch the Tua fight, best use of a jab, apart from maybe Wright, that I've seen over the past 10-15 years. In fact, that's what makes the Vitali win so impressive - just about the only time Lewis abandoned that jab.
Honestly, Wlad's jab up there with LL's? Maybe one day, but sure as hell not yet.
ChuckYoungblood
07-13-2007, 08:06 AM
Quite a few come to mind
Ike Quartey
Winky Wright
Wladimir Klitschko
Marco Antonio Barrera
Lennox Lewis
Oscar De La Hoya
Mikkel Kessler
Rafael Marquez
Good list! Kessler, Winky and Wlad all have laser-jabs.
Rudolph
07-13-2007, 09:40 AM
Lennox Lewis. He pawed it occasionally, but when he was on song it was as good as Holmes'. Watch the Tua fight, best use of a jab, apart from maybe Wright, that I've seen over the past 10-15 years. In fact, that's what makes the Vitali win so impressive - just about the only time Lewis abandoned that jab.
Honestly, Wlad's jab up there with LL's? Maybe one day, but sure as hell not yet.
ah, this modern mythology again :patsch
Wlad's jab is faster than Lewis' and it's just as accurate and carries the same amount of power. Why would'nt it be up there with LL's?
Stimulant
07-16-2007, 05:37 AM
Lennox Lewis. He pawed it occasionally, but when he was on song it was as good as Holmes'. Watch the Tua fight, best use of a jab, apart from maybe Wright, that I've seen over the past 10-15 years. In fact, that's what makes the Vitali win so impressive - just about the only time Lewis abandoned that jab.
Honestly, Wlad's jab up there with LL's? Maybe one day, but sure as hell not yet.
Yeah.. coz Lewis is retired and Wladimir isn't..
*yawn*
smokey
07-16-2007, 05:42 AM
I was a big Lewis fan, and Wlad has a better jab. That doesn't make him a better fighter, IMO, but looking just at the jabs Wlad's is better. I think Quartey's is better, mainly because he took it beyond the typical usage. The jab was his power punch.
PATSYS
07-16-2007, 05:45 AM
Agree, Quartey's jabs are excellent.
deram
07-16-2007, 05:57 AM
The two best right now are Kessler and Winky. Wlad right behind, but his jab is a little too slow and too often he does not use it effectively. In the fight before the Brewster fight he could have dominated every second of the fight if he had used his jab more and had a little more snap in it. The guy (too lazy to look for his name) did not have a prayer and only Wlad being a lazy bum (;-)) allowed him to even win a few rounds. In the 5th round Wlad showed what happens when he applied his jab better.
Winky's jab is also not flawless as we saw against Soliman and Soliman is good but no world beater.
I would go with Kessler's jab in current boxing.
China_hand_Joe
07-16-2007, 06:29 AM
I would go with Kessler's jab in current boxing.You're insanely biased at times mate. Just because he is so reliant on his jab, doesn't make it the best. Calzaghe's is a vastly superior superior weapon, he is just better all round so doesn't need to rely on it.
deram
07-16-2007, 06:52 AM
You're insanely biased at times mate. Just because he is so reliant on his jab, doesn't make it the best. Calzaghe's is a vastly superior superior weapon, he is just better all round so doesn't need to rely on it.
LOL.. China...
He relies on the jab because it is so good. If it was not as good as it is, he could not rely on it so much. Pretty simple really. Let's hope Calzaghe thinks like you and goes for a jabbing contest with Kessler. :lol:
Carlos Primera
07-16-2007, 06:53 AM
quartey for me, and i kinda like wlad's hammer like jab too.
deram
07-16-2007, 07:01 AM
Someone should make a video showcasing a minute of Kessler jabbing next to a minute of wlad jabbing. Then I am pretty sure there would be little discussion.
Just for the record... (:roll: ) I think Calzaghe has a lot of things on Kessler, but Kessler has a vastly better jab. Calzaghe's is not bad, but they are still levels apart in terms of jabs.
China_hand_Joe
07-16-2007, 07:39 AM
Let's hope Calzaghe thinks like you and goes for a jabbing contest with Kessler. :lol:I can't wait to see the Danish fans' hopes dashed as early as round one when they see Calzaghe beating old Mikkel to the jab time and time again.
New Wind
07-16-2007, 07:45 AM
uhhh, china..
Those are fighting words mate:-)
China_hand_Joe
07-16-2007, 07:51 AM
Don't worry...when the jab fails I am sure Mikkel can use his...erm... bolo uppercut?
Nokstar
07-16-2007, 07:57 AM
Right now it's Wladimir Klitschko no doubt.
:yep
New Wind
07-16-2007, 08:19 AM
let's not make this into another JC-MK thread, China...:-)
korey
07-16-2007, 08:47 AM
Mikkel kessler for me very strong punch!
PeterNielsen70
07-16-2007, 08:49 AM
I can't wait to see the Danish fans' hopes dashed as early as round one when they see Calzaghe beating old Mikkel to the jab time and time again.
Don’t forget, Joe is a 35-year old guy. Kessler is a hungry fighter at his prime in his 20s. And we have just recently witness what will happen when a 35-year old takes on a stronger upcoming opponent. Well haven’t we? :yep
Regarding the jab it's just nonsense comparing JC's to Kessler's
China_hand_Joe
07-16-2007, 08:54 AM
Regarding the jab it's just nonsense comparing JC's to Kessler's Kessler's is more powerful but less accurate, slower, leaves him more open, cannot be doubled up and doesn't setup combinations as well as Calzaghe's
deram
07-16-2007, 09:05 AM
Kessler's is more powerful but less accurate, slower, leaves him more open, cannot be doubled up and doesn't setup combinations as well as Calzaghe's
Tsk tsk..Let's save this thread and go back to check after the fight.:good
China_hand_Joe
07-16-2007, 09:12 AM
Kessler will win mate
PeterNielsen70
07-16-2007, 09:14 AM
Kessler's is more powerful but less accurate, slower, leaves him more open, cannot be doubled up and doesn't setup combinations as well as Calzaghe's
When Kessler throws combos it’s normally from the distance, this meaning throwing punches that have to go a long distance. JC does it normally from the inside, with short hooks and with the use of his forearm. I will give that JC may be slightly quicker. But in some way the comparison regarding speed it difficult, as they use it in different ways. Regarding accuracy I will no doubt have Kessler on top. JC is also very skilful in that respect. JC also leaves himself more open that Kessler. But I think that it eventually will be Kessler’s accuracy and physical strength that will win it for him. Look at the Andrade fight for accuracy by the way. It this other clip try watching 2:10-2:22. These pounces are so accurate and delivered with speed and power.
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China_hand_Joe
07-16-2007, 09:25 AM
When Kessler throws combos it’s normally from the distance, this meaning throwing punches that have to go a long distance. JC does it normally from the inside, with short hooks and with the use of his forearm. I will give that JC may be slightly quicker. But in some way the comparison regarding speed it difficult, as they use it in different ways. Regarding accuracy I will no doubt have Kessler on top. JC is also very skilful in that respect. JC also leaves himself more open that Kessler. But I think that it eventually will be Kessler’s accuracy and physical strength that will win it for him. Look at the Andrade fight for accuracy by the way. It this other clip try watching 2:10-2:22. These pounces are so accurate and delivered with speed and power.
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deram
07-16-2007, 09:29 AM
Kessler will win mate
Everything about Joe is better, but so that Joe can get maximum benefit from a win - "Kessler will win".
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
You are a funny dude..:good
China_hand_Joe
07-16-2007, 09:32 AM
Everything about Joe is better, but so that Joe can get maximum benefit from a win - "Kessler will win".
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
You are a funny dude..:goodAll common sense dicates Kessler will win, when an unknown like Kessler is only a slight underdog to a legend like Calzaghe you know something is going on -fullstop-
Vantage_West
07-16-2007, 10:07 AM
Quartey easily outjabbed Oscar in their fight and he was around 3" shorter. Not that Oscar didn't have a great jab, Ike is just on another level altogether.even still small men have outboxed big men with better jabs...mercer-lewis , duran-hagler, ali-foster, tyson!!!-tucker (the last rounds tyson landed more jabs than tucker.
Vantage_West
07-16-2007, 10:09 AM
kessler is the best ive seen but i havent seen quartey fighti bet you have only seen mundine and kessler
Vantage_West
07-16-2007, 10:16 AM
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look at this jab
Vantage_West
07-16-2007, 10:29 AM
Lennox Lewis :huh his jab was nothing more than a paw "distraction" he was easily out-jabbed by Frank Brunooh come off it:rasta
lewis's jab was amazing...pawing is a jab in itself.
where as you get the ike quartey power jab or the pernell angled jab lewis had EVERY TYPE OF JAB big difference
anyways you make it out that bruno was a truley awful fighter :huh bruno's jab was very remarkable anyway it used to piledrive through guards chins and could break noses in one shot he knocked down 3 people with it
Vantage_West
07-16-2007, 10:30 AM
peeps how do you get youtube running on eastside?
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