The hardest punch landed that a fighter just shook off [Archive]

NickHudson

07-13-2007, 07:44 AM

How about Foreman's left hook against Chuvalo.

Chuvalo almost comes off his feet, rocks back into the ropes, then merely hides behind his own shoulder in futile effort to defend against the rest of the onslaught...

Like the Hagler versus Mugabi call. Crystal clean uppercut...

How about Fraziers left hook bombs in the 6th (?) of the Thrilla. Ed Schuyler quote from Hausers book

'...Frazier hit Ali with a left hook thats the hardest punch Ive ever seen. Alis head turned like it was on a swivel, and his response was to look at Frazier and say I thought Joe Frazier was washed up.'

Magical stuff.

rekcutnevets

07-13-2007, 07:51 AM

Danny Williams vs. Mike Tyson. Not one shot in particular, but lots of powerful blows.

Mercer vs. Lewis' right hands.

Tua vs. Ibeabuchi. Both guys shook off monster shots.

Duodenum

07-13-2007, 08:05 AM

(1) Arguello straight right to Pryor in round 13. That punch would
of knocked out any fighter in the 140 pound divisionYou almost ended this thread before it got started!

In their rematch, Arguello also caught Vilomar Fernandez coming in with a similar flush right hand that didn't faze Vilomar. (At least Alexis was able to drop Fernandez once in their second bout though.)

Jerry Quarry claimed immediately after his blowout of Shavers that Earnie never hit him, but Shavers has stated on camera that he did nail Jerry solidly with his right.

Much of Foreman's reputation for a solid chin during his second career is based on walking through Cooney's best left hook.

The turning point in Joe Louis/Max Baer was when Joe took Maxie's best right, and immediately started pounding Baer backwards during an exchange of fire, which had Louis in retreat until that instant.

To the best of my knowledge, both Vito Antuofermo and Marvin Hagler have stated that Cyclone Hart's hook was the hardest punch they'd ever been hit by, yet both walked through it.

There is an award winning photograph of Ray Robinson distorting Kid Gavilan's face with the same sort of left hook he kayoed Gene Fullmer with. Robby got eveything into it, but the Keed continued on.

The famous shot of Rocky Marciano's face distorting mid-ring right on Jersey Joe Walcott was NOT of the knockout punch (which came later in their match). Walcott saw this earlier punch coming (and is looking right at it in the snapshot), and went through it. (I'd need to scrutinize the complete footage of Marciano/Walcott I to locate the synchronization of lightbulb flash and boxing action which would pinpoint exactly when that picture was actually taken.)

mario

07-13-2007, 08:35 AM

mitch blood green vs mike tyson, green took wicked shots that would hurt anyone else but mitch has prolly the best chin out there, and mccall vs lewis II, mccall was taking shots from lennox with his hands down by his waist unfazed, another great chin

justaboxingfan

07-13-2007, 08:49 AM

Vantage_West

07-13-2007, 08:51 AM

The famous shot of Rocky Marciano's face distorting mid-ring right on Jersey Joe Walcott was NOT of the knockout punch (which came later in their match). Walcott saw this earlier punch coming (and is looking right at it in the snapshot), and went through it. (I'd need to scrutinize the complete footage of Marciano/Walcott I to locate the synchronization of lightbulb flash and boxing action which would pinpoint exactly when that picture was actually taken.)

very true becuase maricano is facing another direction he has full extension of the punch in the pic we are talking of but the knock out punch was actually a hook and marciano was facing another direction

Vantage_West

07-13-2007, 08:56 AM

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KTFO

07-13-2007, 08:59 AM

Ward on Gatti

fists of fury

07-13-2007, 09:14 AM

In recent times, that monster uppercut Lewis hit Vitali with.

Hagler taking a big right from Hearns without getting fazed.

The first pick on this thread with Arguello's right hand on Pryor takes the cake for me.

Duodenum

07-13-2007, 10:09 AM

very true becuase maricano is facing another direction he has full extension of the punch in the pic we are talking of but the knock out punch was actually a hook and marciano was facing another directionIn Skehan's biography of Marciano (at least I think that's where I read it-the book was borrowed), the punch which won the title for Rocky was described as "a tremendous short right," rather than a Suzy Q, a clairification borne out by the movie clip. That superb post you've produced revealing the differences exposes the classic mid-ring shot as the "Flag Raising on Iwo Jima" of boxing images. Perhaps the best single image in boxing history, but not the big moment during the event itself. (The true first flag raising on Iwo was a rather mundane photographic image, but that was also the triggering gesture which actually inflamed the Japanese on the island into a fury at the time.)

The big question is, when was that mid-ring punch snapped, and for that, we'd probably need access to the complete footage of the bout to scour. (I haven't viewed it in ages.) Significantly, there is no camera flash at the instant Marciano's kayo punch makes contact, only in the moment after, as he's following through on the footage.

mr. magoo

07-13-2007, 11:28 AM

Holmes vs Shavers. Larry got nailed with a number of big rights from Earnie. Most of them weren't just shaken off, but he certainly took em' better than a lot guys did/would.

apollack

07-13-2007, 11:44 AM

The flush bombs that Ray Mercer took from Tommy Morrison. What a chin!

George W Hedge

07-13-2007, 11:49 AM

Hard to say 1 in particular but if you watch morales v mab 1, last 5-10 secs of rd 7..... mab throws a flurry of about 6 punches of which 1 left hook lands cleanly on morales jaw, for a sec it looks as if em is gona sink to his left then he bounces up & lets about 5 or 6 punches go with a pissed off look on his face, great stuff.

Ps. jc chavez took some real digs to the jaw & didnt blink for most of his career, hard to find a tougher fighter anywhere in boxing`s long history imo.

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ironchamp

07-13-2007, 12:39 PM

The flush bombs that Ray Mercer took from Tommy Morrison. What a chin!

good one...

Some of the Right Crosses that Tyson took from Lewis.

bigG

07-13-2007, 01:01 PM

ok so he went down...but bounced right back up...but what about the shot frazier dropped ali with in their first fight...woulda kept most heavyweights down and out.....and also, the almost constant, and, ultimately tragic beating that gerald mclellan took from nigel benn....i aint bein sick bringin this up, but how he stayed up during that fight is amazing....

AREA 53

07-13-2007, 01:27 PM

Chris Finnegan, As was his Brother Kevin, were super tough,

I Remember Paul Hoko Hodkinson Catching Marcus Villasana with some tremendous shots in both fights, of course Marcus remained upright,

One that always sticks in my mind was when Dave "Boy" Green was hit with a stunning shot by Andy "Hawk" Price, Green's Head swiveled like Linda Blair's in the exorcist ! But Davey somehow remainded upright, and come through the fog to Win on points !

heerko koois

07-13-2007, 05:45 PM

The uppercut from Tony Tucker in the 1 round against Tyson ranks up there
Lifted Tyson up for a split second....

RAMPAGE0017

07-13-2007, 07:12 PM

The one Mayorga let Tito throw on him, I think he threw 2 punches and the second one hurt him a little bit. Those punches would have been KO is Mayorga didn't see them coming. Stupid thing to do, but Mayorga's ego took them well

It was two powerful left hooks that landed right on Mayorga's chin.

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Although Trinidad ended up stopping him down the stretch, nobody can ever say that crazy bastard couldn't take a shot.

Jupiter1610

07-13-2007, 09:16 PM

It was two powerful left hooks that landed right on Mayorga's chin.
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Although Trinidad ended up stopping him down the stretch, nobody can ever say that crazy bastard couldn't take a shot.

OMG, that is one of the craziest and most idiotic clips I have seen. Would have been great if he was dropped by one of them.

C. M. Clay II

07-13-2007, 10:24 PM

Maybe the right hand Shavers hit Ali with in the second round. Classic stuff!:good

Pat_Lowe

07-13-2007, 10:37 PM

Hagler taking a big right from Hearns without getting fazed.

Thats the one that I would have put forward, the force of the blow almost knocked Hagler over sideways. Its amazing that he came firing right back and absorbed the onslaught Hearns offered

Thread Stealer

07-13-2007, 10:48 PM

How about Fraziers left hook bombs in the 6th (?) of the Thrilla. Ed Schuyler quote from Hausers book

'...Frazier hit Ali with a left hook thats the hardest punch Ive ever seen. Alis head turned like it was on a swivel, and his response was to look at Frazier and say I thought Joe Frazier was washed up.'

Magical stuff.

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The first one comes at 0:05 on the youtube timer, but the left hook also caught some of the neck and wasn't as clean as the 2nd left hook, which comes on the 0:19 mark on the youtube timer.

Thread Stealer

07-13-2007, 10:57 PM

Ruddock unloading the smash on Mike and sending his mouthpiece flying.

Go to the 2:00 mark, then watch the replay. Good thing Tyson basically has no neck.

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AnthonyJ74

07-14-2007, 01:17 AM

la-califa

07-14-2007, 01:29 AM

Hagler absorbed a monster shot from Hearns in the first round and kept on coming.
Not one but an assortment of blows Saad Mohammad recieved from Yaqui Lopez in the eighth round!

mochabuzz

07-14-2007, 02:36 AM

Holyfield received many huge blows from Dokes in their 1989 fight... Evander just shook them off and kept coming. Holyfield had an amazing chin!

hobgoblin

07-14-2007, 03:18 AM

My vote goes to Muhammad Ali against Shavers - round 2. Oh that punch definitely hurt him - but he did shake it off quickly and make it look much lesser than it was. See it on youtube - this one takes the cake. I recall Foreman landing one of his killer uppercuts against Ali in Ziaire but no one noticed because again, Ali made it look normal.

Additionally, Holyfield vs Tyson in round 1 (first fight) and round 3 (second fight moments before the infamous incident). A lot of people choose to ignore this or don't see it as clearly. Just look at the punch that Tyson lands in the first 3 seconds of the opening! That was a KO punch had it been against a fighter with a normal chin. Holyfield was rocked on several occasions but his expressions didn't show it. To stop an ATG like Holyfield (just see Ali-Frazier III) you'll need a million punches. Tyson landed enough punches in that fight to have KO'd 12 different fighters IMO.

hobgoblin

07-14-2007, 03:55 AM

watch 3:30 of this clip

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this edit lock is gay - what is wrong with that? individual threads should have the option (if you're making bets or predictons or something) of lock.

i just wanted to add another line - should have edited the thread with the link but rather take up board space with anotehr post

DamonD

07-14-2007, 04:26 AM

Just look at the punch that Tyson lands in the first 3 seconds of the opening! That was a KO punch had it been against a fighter with a normal chin. Holyfield was rocked on several occasions but his expressions didn't show it.
I read an inteview with Holyfield back around '98, where he talked about the start of the fight. He'd seen so much videotape of Tyson, and felt utterly certain that Tyson would start the fight with a lunging left hook. Time and time and time again, in Tyson's previous fights he would tend to go with a left hook to close the distance, rather than his right.

Holyfield went all through training camp working with this, pre-visuallizing it so much in his head. He was 100% certain. "I could see the whole thing in my head...Tyson comes out, throws the left, I dodge it and counter, Mike goes down, I win. Simple as that." Over and over, slip the left hook, counter. Slip the left hook, counter. Holyfield was certain.

Fight starts, Tyson comes out, throws a right hand, knocks Holyfield off-balance. Holyfield said he just kinda smiled ruefully to himself, and figured that was just one of those rare lunging rights!

Which was correct too, because for the rest of the fight it's just left-left-left from Mike when he's not close-up and Holyfield repeatedly counters them.

thunder06

07-14-2007, 04:42 AM

Gatti in either the Ruelas or Rodriguez fights.

JohnThomas1

07-14-2007, 06:30 AM

Holyfield received many huge blows from Dokes in their 1989 fight... Evander just shook them off and kept coming. Holyfield had an amazing chin!

Holy's a good shout, he took some massive hits from Tyson over the course of the two fights. Next to zero reaction. These were the punches that had decimated dozens. I must say, i was impressed to the hilt.

ironchamp

07-14-2007, 02:24 PM

Thread Stealer

07-14-2007, 03:57 PM

The monster left hooks that George Foreman took from Tommy Morrison during their 1993 fight. George took shots that would have leveled most other heavyweights. George really showed a granite chin that night!

Although he didn't "shake it off", it was still so surprising that Ruddock got up so quickly from Morrison's left hook. He got hit with a beautiful left hook and his head moved violently and he fell like he was dead. It was like hitting the canvas woke him up.

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mcvey

07-14-2007, 04:14 PM

(1) Arguello straight right to Pryor in round 13. That punch would
of knocked out any fighter in the 140 pound division

(2) Lewis uppercut on Vitali

(3) Mugabi uppercut on Hagler
Pryor ,s chin looked unbeleivable on that night ,what influence the "black bottle had on it we,ll never know.

hobgoblin

07-14-2007, 04:17 PM

I read an inteview with Holyfield back around '98, where he talked about the start of the fight. He'd seen so much videotape of Tyson, and felt utterly certain that Tyson would start the fight with a lunging left hook. Time and time and time again, in Tyson's previous fights he would tend to go with a left hook to close the distance, rather than his right.

Holyfield went all through training camp working with this, pre-visuallizing it so much in his head. He was 100% certain. "I could see the whole thing in my head...Tyson comes out, throws the left, I dodge it and counter, Mike goes down, I win. Simple as that." Over and over, slip the left hook, counter. Slip the left hook, counter. Holyfield was certain.

Fight starts, Tyson comes out, throws a right hand, knocks Holyfield off-balance. Holyfield said he just kinda smiled ruefully to himself, and figured that was just one of those RARE lunging rights!

Which was correct too, because for the rest of the fight it's just left-left-left from Mike when he's not close-up and Holyfield repeatedly counters them.

Good post. It just goes to show what poor strategy Mike Tyson had despite his considerable talents! I agree, it was the loopy, predictable left hook all the way. When Tyson used the right - it served him well. It was so hard to avoid because it is straight and fast that Holy looked like a statue who wasn't able to react its speed in time. Lands clean and it's gotta hurt. The lunging right is what he's gotta use if he needs ANY chance against guys like Liston, Foreman, Holmes (who'd probably win because of Tyson's poor strategy). You hear about Holy studying videotapes so carefully and making strategy - he is such a smart fighter. What was Mike doing in the meanwhile? Smoking weed. You gotta have more cowbell err strategy.

Yep, that punch gets #2 after Shavers. It's the punches you don't expect that hurt you the most. Holyfield has NEVER been knocked down by a straight right but that was the closest he was to it (and this was the 1st punch so 0 attrition!). It sent him reeling back.

DocDevil

07-14-2007, 06:17 PM

Liston's two fights against Cleveland Williams.

prime

07-16-2007, 12:37 AM

Don't forget Foreman's shock-and-awe shots on Ali in Round 5. Foreman was bad! How he swiveled back and forth to land those killers on a rope-a-doping Ali, who, of course, suddenly pulled his guard apart to show that mocking, wide-eyed, "I'm-still-here", look. You could just see Foreman think, "Man, I just hit him with my baddest! I'm George Foreman! He didn't go down! I'm feeling queasy."

Silver

07-16-2007, 01:57 AM

That was a pretty big shot....Tyson had a terrific chin.yeah, tyson did have a great chin. also showed it when he got cracked by bruno in their first fight. got stunned but he kept on coming forward, pressing.

Stewbear

07-16-2007, 05:16 AM

Although he didn't "shake it off", it was still so surprising that Ruddock got up so quickly from Morrison's left hook. He got hit with a beautiful left hook and his head moved violently and he fell like he was dead. It was like hitting the canvas woke him up.

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lol just when they ask where is the hook.
its amazing he got up at all

JohnThomas1

07-16-2007, 06:36 AM

Greg Page shook off some horrific punches while over the hill vs Razor Ruddock for those that witnessed them.

Doc McCoy

07-16-2007, 12:29 PM

There is an award winning photograph of Ray Robinson distorting Kid Gavilan's face with the same sort of left hook he kayoed Gene Fullmer with. Robby got eveything into it, but the Keed continued on.

Is this the one you were referring to Duo?

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Duodenum

07-16-2007, 04:53 PM

Is this the one you were referring to Duo?

[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links])Yep, that's the one! (Great work Doc!) This classic shot begs two questions for me. How on Earth did Gavilan take something like this standing up, and just how hard was that double hook Basilio did floor him with for a nine count? Also, what kind of shot did Ike Williams drop Gavilan with? (Basilio's KD of Gavilan is readily available on-line of course, and most of you are already familiar with that footage.) Just look at the tension in Ray's left thigh! (Straight up from the floor!)

Stewbear

07-16-2007, 06:32 PM

the straight right that vitali hit lewis with reminds you of arguello vs pryor!

bladerunner

07-17-2007, 06:05 AM

Barkley hit Duran with a shot that Made Duran almost do a 360 turn but he stayed up.another one similar to that happened in the Fullmer-Basilio fight with Carmen on the receiving end.

JohnThomas1

07-17-2007, 06:13 AM

Barkley hit Duran with a shot that Made Duran almost do a 360 turn but he stayed up.another one similar to that happened in the Fullmer-Basilio fight with Carmen on the receiving end.

I near put this one in myself. Of course Senya will just tell you Barkley was a mediocre puncher.

Titan1

07-17-2007, 08:11 PM

Greg Page shook off some horrific punches while over the hill vs Razor Ruddock for those that witnessed them.

And took a heck of a shot from Stan Ward and Berbick while in his prime.

Manassa

07-17-2007, 08:16 PM

Ingemar Johansson shook off Floyd Patterson's Gazelle punch... In a way.

Holmes' Jab

07-18-2007, 03:31 AM

Hagler vs Hearns, spring to mind. Marv walked though a big right hand bomb- seemingly without being fazed.

JohnThomas1

07-18-2007, 08:05 AM

And took a heck of a shot from Stan Ward and Berbick while in his prime.

Page had a great chin in his younger years. The shots he took off Coetzee and Ruddock were the same blows that massacred the very decent chinned Dokes. At one stage one mag said Page had the best beard in the division.

Shake

07-18-2007, 10:26 AM

I'm going to back Ali-Shavers round 2. Ali had no business being conscious after that one.

Titan1

07-19-2007, 06:36 PM

Tillis & Green abosrbed some wicked shots from Tyson and lasted the distance. Hagler took some pretty nasty uppercuts and left hooks from Mugabi.

Green been representing since his amateur days, when he faced the likes of Igor Vysotsky and Greg Page.He's never been down amateur or pro( though he had an unfortunate cut stoppage once as an amateur).

ChrisPontius

07-19-2007, 06:49 PM

Holy's a good shout, he took some massive hits from Tyson over the course of the two fights. Next to zero reaction. These were the punches that had decimated dozens. I must say, i was impressed to the hilt.

Not to mention the numerous amount of right uppercuts he took from Lewis, particularly in their first fight.

That uppercut Vitali took from Lewis in the 6th was pretty sick too. The sound of it, the head snapping back so far.

Stonehands89

07-20-2007, 06:55 AM

Barkley hit Duran with a shot that Made Duran almost do a 360 turn but he stayed up.

The shot had maximum leverage on a perfect swivel. Barkley came up with it and it was short. Keep in mind, Iran was walking around at damn near 200 at this time. It landed flush and you know what? Duran didn't see it.

On the replays you can see Duran's eyes roll like a cartoon and he almost falls -but then relaxes and uses insane skill on the inside to survive. He was completely recovered by the end of the round and went on to get a KD himself later. Best shot and most miraculous recovery that I ever saw. The size difference also forces that conclusion for me.

After the fight, Duran was interviewed about the shot and waves it off, saying "he hit me on the neck" - He sounded like Senya making ludicrous excuses for Roy.

JohnThomas1

07-20-2007, 07:00 AM

The shot had maximum leverage on a perfect swivel. Barkley came up with it and it was short. Keep in mind, Iran was walking around at damn near 200 at this time.

200? Didn't he come in at about 159. If he was walking around at 200 he must have went thru hell to make 160.

Pat_Lowe

07-20-2007, 09:17 PM

Barkley did fight at heavyweight later in his career, its definently possinle he was about 200 pounds walking round

buzzsaw

07-20-2007, 09:38 PM

[quote=quintonjacksonfan](1) Arguello straight right to Pryor in round 13. That punch would
of knocked out any fighter in the 140 pound division

Pryor's head snapped back so far he looked headless for a second! The snot actually flew out. I mean Arguello literally "knocked the snot out of him!." And Pryor's head snapped back like nothing happened, right out of Sci-Fi movie. I knew then it was just a matter of time.....

JohnThomas1

07-21-2007, 07:52 AM

Barkley did fight at heavyweight later in his career, its definently possinle he was about 200 pounds walking round

Not at the time he fought Duran, he was the reigning champion and i don't think he'd be losing 40 pounds. Just can't see him adding 40 pounds then losing it inside 8 months.

ThinBlack

03-24-2012, 04:42 PM

The shot Leonard took from Kalue in the eighth round, and the shot that Michael used to stall Dwight Muhammad Qawi in the second round of their fight.

Nightcrawler

03-24-2012, 06:20 PM

Several right crosses McCall took from Bruno. They'd drop even Chuvalo and Jeffries, but not the Atomic Bull.

nothing dropped chuvalo. nothing. ernie terrell hit him in the parking lot with a bus after their fight...chuvalo grunted and then went dancing with his wife.

Guyfawkes

03-24-2012, 08:23 PM

Tony Galento showed inhuman punch resistance in his bout with Joe Louis
Before being battered to a Tko he took numerous flush and hard combos to head, and walked through them for the first few rounds with no problems

Chelseamike

03-24-2012, 08:53 PM

Ali v shavers. Still convinced to this day that Ali was in bad trouble but used kidology to prevent shavers following up

El Bujia

03-24-2012, 09:37 PM

The shot Leonard took from Kalue in the eighth roundWhich one was that? He landed a lot of flush shots that didn't much bother Leonard, considering Kalule wasn't a puncher.

ETM

03-24-2012, 11:09 PM

Carmen Basiilio took a shot from Sugar Ray in their first fight. I believe it was the 13th round, maybe the 14th.

It was a classic hook off the jab and Carmen never saw it. It stunned him and he retreated for about a minute to recover but he stayed up. It had to be as hard as the one that stretched Fullmer the year before.

Bad_Intentions

03-24-2012, 11:25 PM

Shavers's right hand on Larry Holmes. It dropped him but he got up to stop Ernie in late rounds.

Bill1234

03-25-2012, 12:14 AM

A left hook Shavers smashed Cobb with. It made a loud thud and Cobb just stood there, didn't even look shaken up. The hook looked every bit as hard as the one that decked Lyle.

MadcapMaxie

03-25-2012, 06:37 AM

The combos SRR landed on Lamotta in their 6th fight was insane

Joe Louis hitting Max Baer with everything but the kitchen sink in their fight and Baer never really looked too bothered, even the first knockdown Baer slouches to his side and gives Louis a hats off lol

A prime Julian Jackson hitting Mike McCallum flush several times and he didn't seem shaken for more than a split second

swede_dreams

03-25-2012, 09:33 AM

Frazier landed a brutal hook off the jab on Quarry in the 4th round of their second fight.Quarry freeze up for a second and shakes it off...

scartissue

03-25-2012, 09:49 AM

1) The aforementioned Antuofermo-Hart fight. I think it was in the 4th that the Cyclone landed a full-blooded left hook on Vito - nothing happened - and then Hart repeats the left hook. Think it sliced Vito's right eye but nothing happened. It was then that Vito turned it on.

2) Can't remember the round but it was in the 3rd Leonard-Duran fight. Duran's back is to the ropes and Ray unloads one of the hardest, cleanest right hands flush on the jaw that I have seen. It almost took Duran's feet out from him with the force, but nothing happened. Amazing.

3) The 2nd Basilio-Demarco fight. Possibly the 7th round Tony unloads his fabled left hook. Carmen does a dance, a stagger and regroups while Tony is on him. Wild stuff.

Scartissue

Azzer85

03-25-2012, 09:50 AM

Someone already beat me to it, the left hook Tyson handed on Holyfield and Holy didnt even blink in the second fight, just before the bite.

SLAKKA

03-25-2012, 01:30 PM

The left hook to the liver is the most painful blow in the game and ill never forget Evander Holyfield taking as hard a shot from freekin Lennox Lewis as ive ever seen and shaking it off.

He was in extreme agony but he did it.

Amazing!!

he grant

03-25-2012, 01:37 PM

Ali took a few massive bombs from Foreman ...

Ali took bombs from Shavers ...

Mercer took amazing shots from Lewis ...

Mavrovic took a huge amount of tremendous from Lewis as well .. he took them all but never fought again ..

Dempsey tok a huge mounts of shpts from a prime Tunney and kept coming ... while Tunney was not a one punch hitter geting hit several dozen times flush has an impact as well ..

Tex Cobb took massive bombs from Shavers ...