I am British, and YES all our fighters are overhyped.

[Krisv1]

....but I still love them...its called patriotism.

Yes Calzaghe is an exceptionally hped fighter who has never beaten a p4p in his life, hes made 20 defences of his his bogus WBO crown due to Frank ******s connections with Francico Varcacel.

But guess what .... we still love him.

Hatton beats up OAP's and gets fat between fights.

Amir Khan is a Millionaire before he has even won a European title.....which other country allows that.....Only in the UK.

Most of our fans have "MUG" plastered on their heads, and if anyone is half decent we do the best job at promoting them as legends (look at our crap footy Team as an example).

You Yanks leave us alone, we are the eternal fantasists...we all dream in the UK of having a Floyd Mayweather RJJ or a Pernell, but we wont accept we wont, thats why we image Calzaghe is great when hes not.

Look we even adopted Lennox, he left Canada because he knew 99% of Brits r stupid and he could make the most money here.

[Arran]

:arran :arran :arran

We may not have the best fighters, but we do have the best fans.

[Shane]

....but I still love them...its called patriotism.

Yes Calzaghe is an exceptionally hped fighter who has never beaten a p4p in his life, hes made 20 defences of his his bogus WBO crown due to Frank ******s connections with Francico Varcacel.

But guess what .... we still love him.

Hatton beats up OAP's and gets fat between fights.

Amir Khan is a Millionaire before he has even won a European title.....which other country allows that.....Only in the UK.

Most of our fans have "MUG" plastered on their heads, and if anyone is half decent we do the best job at promoting them as legends (look at our crap footy Team as an example).

You Yanks leave us alone, we are the eternal fantasists...we all dream in the UK of having a Floyd Mayweather RJJ or a Pernell, but we wont accept we wont, thats why we image Calzaghe is great when hes not.

Look we even adopted Lennox, he left Canada because he knew 99% of Brits r stupid and he could make the most money here.

You are absolutely correct, i respect your honesty.

[Larson]

The first step is admitting.

[Arran]

Red, white and blue; what does it mean to you?
Surely you're proud, shout it aloud,
"Britons, awake!"
The Empire too, we can depend on you.
Freedom remains. These are the chains
Nothing can break.
There'll always be an England,
And England shall be free
If England means as much to you
As England means to me.

[196osh]

....but I still love them...its called patriotism.

Yes Calzaghe is an exceptionally hped fighter who has never beaten a p4p in his life, hes made 20 defences of his his bogus WBO crown due to Frank ******s connections with Francico Varcacel.

But guess what .... we still love him.

Hatton beats up OAP's and gets fat between fights.

Amir Khan is a Millionaire before he has even won a European title.....which other country allows that.....Only in the UK.

Most of our fans have "MUG" plastered on their heads, and if anyone is half decent we do the best job at promoting them as legends (look at our crap footy Team as an example).

You Yanks leave us alone, we are the eternal fantasists...we all dream in the UK of having a Floyd Mayweather RJJ or a Pernell, but we wont accept we wont, thats why we image Calzaghe is great when hes not.

Look we even adopted Lennox, he left Canada because he knew 99% of Brits r stupid and he could make the most money here.

You are an idiot,

1. Calzaghe is going to batter Hopkins like a fish.

2. OAP's? Tzsyu was p4p number 2 when Hatton beat him, and most people including me thought Tzsyu was going knock Hatton the fuck out.

3. De La Hoya and Ray Leonard were rich as hell too without fighting anybody.

4. Calzaghe is a great fighter.

5. Lewis was born in West Ham grew up in London till he was 12 ish, so you are an idiot.

6. SHUT THE FUCK UP :good

[Robbi]

You are an idiot,

1. Calzaghe is going to batter Hopkins like a fish.

2. OAP's? Tzsyu was p4p number 2 when Hatton beat him, and most people including me thought Tzsyu was going knock Hatton the fuck out.

3. De La Hoya and Ray Leonard were rich as hell too without fighting anybody.

4. Calzaghe is a great fighter.

5. Lewis was born in West Ham grew up in London till he was 12 ish, so you are an idiot.

6. SHUT THE FUCK UP :good

Tyszu wasn't number two, not a prayer. He had been inactive for about 2 1/2 years before he fought the rematch with Mitchell. IMO he would be about 5 at the time Hatton fought him. Number two simply aint realistic.

[Relentless]

You are an idiot,

1. Calzaghe is going to batter Hopkins like a fish.

2. OAP's? Tzsyu was p4p number 2 when Hatton beat him, and most people including me thought Tzsyu was going knock Hatton the fuck out.

3. De La Hoya and Ray Leonard were rich as hell too without fighting anybody.

4. Calzaghe is a great fighter.

5. Lewis was born in West Ham grew up in London till he was 12 ish, so you are an idiot.

6. SHUT THE FUCK UP :good

:yep

[196osh]

Tyszu wasn't number two, not a prayer. He had been inactive for about 2 1/2 years before he fought the rematch with Mitchell. IMO he would be about 5 at the time Hatton fought him. Number two simply aint realistic.

he was inactive for less than two but I see your point, he was number 2 on a lot of peoples lists but still he was top 5 in your opinion and coming off an impressive KO victory.

Did you think Hatton would win?

[rusticraver]

Yes well done, you are a cunt.

You must be such great company

[Executioner]

you still dodged my post in the other thread you shitface. :smoke

[196osh]

you could tell that tszyu was there to pass on his belt, hattons camp were offering him the most money for the fight.

if you saw the press conference which was live on sky sports news you could tell that he wasn't their to fight.

So why did he fight hard for 11 rounds if he wasnt there to fight :huh

[Words]

....but I still love them...its called patriotism.

Yes Calzaghe is an exceptionally hped fighter who has never beaten a p4p in his life, hes made 20 defences of his his bogus WBO crown due to Frank ******s connections with Francico Varcacel.

But guess what .... we still love him.

Hatton beats up OAP's and gets fat between fights.

Amir Khan is a Millionaire before he has even won a European title.....which other country allows that.....Only in the UK.

Most of our fans have "MUG" plastered on their heads, and if anyone is half decent we do the best job at promoting them as legends (look at our crap footy Team as an example).

You Yanks leave us alone, we are the eternal fantasists...we all dream in the UK of having a Floyd Mayweather RJJ or a Pernell, but we wont accept we wont, thats why we image Calzaghe is great when hes not.

Look we even adopted Lennox, he left Canada because he knew 99% of Brits r stupid and he could make the most money here.

Fuck patriotism, I dont pick my boxers on what country they're from. I'm a grown up.

For the record Joe Calzaghe may not have any superstar names on his record but he's the most conistent champion in the world for the last 5 years. There's no denying the fact he's an exceptionally talented fighter.

Ricky Hatton is a monster who is unbeaten at 140lbs, who fights with his heart in the centre of the ring every time and has had some very impressive victories over the years. The Tsyzu and Castillo wins are great victory's, stopping to future HOF fighters. His challenge to Mayweather was entertaining and gutsy, and made Pretty Boy fight at 110% to pull out a win. Even lesser wins against solid contenders like Tackie, Phillips and Magee are impressive because of the manner in which he won, not just the reputation of the guys he beat.

Amir Khan is a good fighter who could turn out to be a superstar of the sport in years to come. He's going to be involved in some great nights for the next 10 years, so look forward to it.

Our fans are notoriously loud, passionate and loyal. Everywhere they go they leave the bars dry and the locals traumatised. I feel proud to be part of that sporting culture.

Lennox Lewis says he's British, and I'll take his word over yours.

Also, Britain has produced some of the most exciting and talented fighters of the last 15-20 years; Hatton, Calzaghe, Lewis, Hamed, Haye, Woods, Benn, Eubank, Watson, Graham, Reid, Thompson, Nelson, Bruno, Harrison (scott, not audley), Witter, were all world champions in the last 20 years.

[196osh]

so he could sit on his stool for the 12th

Ok man, now your getting a properly wack avatar after Calzaghe beats up Hopkins :yep

[TFFP]

I can see how you might be British, given you have now made two threads, one of which wrongly accused British fighters of being crap overseas, and another which states all our fighters are overhyped

Definitely British.

[196osh]

oh no please, hatton fought the best ever kostya tszyu, the man was in his prime, at his peak, he bought his A game, anD hatton took him apart.

now if you agree with the above you are mentally disturbed.

and for the avator bet


DO YOUR WORST!

He wasnt at his best at all. But he was still one of the best fighters in the world who was expected to knock Hatton the fuck out.

as for that avatar bet :hey

[196osh]

i thought you had an avator bet with DAN-B too, i've not seen him for a while, is he still on the site.

I do, dan is just a bit tired of all the moaning and bickering but he posts a bit in the britsh forum.

Ive got three on now :D. If Joe loses it will be a long ass 7 months :lol:.

[greengloves]

....but I still love them...its called patriotism.

Yes Calzaghe is an exceptionally hped fighter who has never beaten a p4p in his life, hes made 20 defences of his his bogus WBO crown due to Frank ******s connections with Francico Varcacel.

But guess what .... we still love him.

Hatton beats up OAP's and gets fat between fights.

Amir Khan is a Millionaire before he has even won a European title.....which other country allows that.....Only in the UK.

Most of our fans have "MUG" plastered on their heads, and if anyone is half decent we do the best job at promoting them as legends (look at our crap footy Team as an example).

You Yanks leave us alone, we are the eternal fantasists...we all dream in the UK of having a Floyd Mayweather RJJ or a Pernell, but we wont accept we wont, thats why we image Calzaghe is great when hes not.

Look we even adopted Lennox, he left Canada because he knew 99% of Brits r stupid and he could make the most money here.

krisv1,your stupidity amazes me,you are constantly coming on here shitting on your own fighters when in fact they deserve alot of praise,per capita the UK has a very successful boxing background and has produced some great world champions in the past 10 years.
when talking of calzaghe his resume is not p4p top 3,but its the way he fought that makes a statement,he rarely has struggled and on a h2h basis he ranks very highly.
hatton is a world class boxer who has beaten some world class p4p fighters at his weight,tszyu,castillo,magee and the way he dispatched of many b class fighters speaks volumes about his ability as a prizefighter.

talking of overhype ... why not talk of underhyping of top class british fighters. junior witter,has been a world class boxer for many years now and still gets no credit from americans,or in fact british.clinton woods,has fought some seriously solid opposition and is yet vastly underappreciated in his homeland.

amir khan is another thing all together,for his age he is far past the progress of any other prospect and deserves many accolades,im not saying money should have been thrown at him but he always gives a very good account of himself and is a seriously talented boxer,chinny or not,he's only been kd'd once and that was in a war of a fight.

so how about this krisv,get some perspective on the fighters you apparantly support then decide whether they are good or not.i mean honestly how can someone call calzaghe a bad fighter,it really is beyond me.

[TFFP]

Dan-b couldn't stand the heat. Anybody would think he's faced up to the fact old Mary is going to get an inevitable beating, and he fears the ribbing he's going to get as one of Mary's chief fanboys

Wise move

[196osh]

Dan-b couldn't stand the heat. Anybody would think he's faced up to the fact old Mary is going to get an inevitable beating, and he fears the ribbing he's going to get as one of Mary's chief fanboys

Wise move

He hasnt old chap. I talk to him sometimes and he is still as sure of a Hopkins victory as ever, :thumbsup.

[TFFP]

He hasnt old chap. I talk to him sometimes and he is still as sure of a Hopkins victory as ever, :thumbsup.
Deep down, he's running scared I assure you :yep

[Bodysnatcher]

As far as I can tell, KrisV doesn't want British fight fans to support and celebrate their P4P boxers and Olympic medallists-turned-prospects.

He has a good point.

I think we should be more like the Americans, who only view boxers based on their skills, not their nationality.

Remember that Jeff Lacy? Some people said he was hyped up, Showtime's golden goose, Eddie Murphy's favorite fighter and the `New Mike Tyson`.

But that's crap.

Nobody rated Lacy. When he knocked out shot fighters who were never that great in the first place, everyone pointed out that fact.

They certainly never went crazy over him because he was American.

British fight fans need to watch across the Atlantic and learn how to be fair and objective and how to shun nationalistic sentiment.

Thanks for the lesson, KrisV.

[196osh]

Deep down, he's running scared I assure you :yep

Nah, :lol:

I had a decent chat with him yesterday genunily thinks that Joe has bitten off more than he can chew.....:nono :lol:

[Bodysnatcher]

Do you really believe this? Lacy was always a nobody IMO, yet every Brit speaks as if Americans regarded him as something special

Which part?

Showtime's investment in Lacy?

The fact he had a high profile and was Eddie Murphy's `boy` (Sugar Ray Lenoard's quote)?

The fact that he was called `the new Tyson`?

You're asking if I believe all that?

Why wouldn't I?

It's true.

I smell another case of Lacy amnesia...very contagious condition...

[TFFP]

Which part?

Showtime's investment in Lacy?

The fact he had a high profile and was Eddie Murphy's `boy` (Sugar Ray Lenoard's quote)?

The fact that he was called `the new Tyson`?

You're asking if I believe all that?

Why wouldn't I?

It's true.

I smell another case of Lacy amnesia...very contagious condition...
:lol:

Typical Americans. Their undefeated fighters are great, a lock for the hall of fame! Until they lose. Then they were never any good.

[Bodysnatcher]

Do you really believe this? Lacy was always a nobody IMO, yet every Brit speaks as if Americans regarded him as something special

He wasn't Oscar De la Hoya.

But even a brief google-adventure will show you the time, affection, investment and excitement Lacy generated in the American boxing community.

If you can't find the words `Lacy` and `budding superstar` used in conjunction at least 10 times in the archives of various sports and boxing websites, you're not looking hard enough.

[TFFP]

Speaking as an avid American boxing fan, if I - and ALL of my fellow friends who follow the sport - never rated the man, doesn't that provide a better representative sample than a Google-search?
Although, we didn't stop hearing about him on here. You couldn't refresh the damn page without another Lacy thread popping up. A huge percentage of American's on ths forum picked him to beat Calzaghe, but also to "destroy" him

Seems a bit suspicious that you all keep telling us you never rated him :nut

[scurlaruntings]

You are an idiot,

1. Calzaghe is going to batter Hopkins like a fish.

2. OAP's? Tzsyu was p4p number 2 when Hatton beat him, and most people including me thought Tzsyu was going knock Hatton the fuck out.

3. De La Hoya and Ray Leonard were rich as hell too without fighting anybody.

4. Calzaghe is a great fighter.

5. Lewis was born in West Ham grew up in London till he was 12 ish, so you are an idiot.

6. SHUT THE FUCK UP :good Lewis was about as cockney as Yorkshire pudding. He left this country when he was 11. When he came back he had some retarded accent. Even when he was pencilled in to fight Kirk Johnson he billed it as a battle for Canadian bragging rights. British my ass. His about as British as Greg Rudsedski.

[Bodysnatcher]

Lacy vs Reid is on youtube I believe.

There was also a Showtime documentary on Lacy's humble roots and what he meant to the St Petersburg community - don't know if it's still there.

Lacy's entrance song for that fight?

Well, `Born in the USA`, of course.

There was a guy on the main pages spent a concerted effort recently trying to convince everyone that Lacy did not only have no national profile, but that he didn't even have a profile beyond South West Florida.

That was the worst case of Lacy amnesia I'd ever seen.

[Bodysnatcher]

Speaking as an avid American boxing fan, if I - and ALL of my fellow friends who follow the sport - never rated the man, doesn't that provide a better representative sample than a Google-search?

What if that google search shows that the vast majority of all American boxing writers - not to mention boxers and trainers - were talking about Lacy like excited fanboys?

[196osh]

Lewis was about as cockney as Yorkshire pudding. He left this country when he was 11. When he came back he had some retarded accent. Even when he was pencilled in to fight Kirk Johnson he billed it as a battle for Canadian bragging rights. British my ass. His about as British as Greg Rudsedski.

So being born in and having spent your childhood in britain does not make you british? :huh

[scurlaruntings]

So being born in and having spent your childhood in britain does not make you british? :huhHow British is Greg Rusedski? LL was born here. His alligiences never lay here and he only fought here for his own personal gain.The last decade of his career was spent fighting in the states.I dont think he even has a home here.

[New]

....but I still love them...its called patriotism.

Yes Calzaghe is an exceptionally hped fighter who has never beaten a p4p in his life, hes made 20 defences of his his bogus WBO crown due to Frank ******s connections with Francico Varcacel.

But guess what .... we still love him.

Hatton beats up OAP's and gets fat between fights.

Amir Khan is a Millionaire before he has even won a European title.....which other country allows that.....Only in the UK.

Most of our fans have "MUG" plastered on their heads, and if anyone is half decent we do the best job at promoting them as legends (look at our crap footy Team as an example).

You Yanks leave us alone, we are the eternal fantasists...we all dream in the UK of having a Floyd Mayweather RJJ or a Pernell, but we wont accept we wont, thats why we image Calzaghe is great when hes not.

Look we even adopted Lennox, he left Canada because he knew 99% of Brits r stupid and he could make the most money here.

I respect your honesty too.

[196osh]

How British is Greg Rusedski? LL was born here. His alligiences never lay here and he only fought here for his own personal gain.The last decade of his career was spent fighting in the states.I dont think he even has a home here.

1. Not very he was born and grew up in Canada. Lewis was born in London and lived there for over 10 years.

2. Anthony Hopkins has an american passport and he lives in the states, that make him American?

[Bodysnatcher]

Why is it suspicious? Who has he ever beaten to begin with to be rated?

That's an excellent point.

Makes you wonder why anyone rated him at all, doesn't it?

[196osh]

Tell ya what - I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt...but in all honesty, to me (a US born and raised boxing fan for many years), I've really never known anyone that was all that high on him (or knew of him, for that matter - aside from being "the guy that got schooled by Joe C"), yet EVERY UK based poster I encounter speaks as if he had some sort of profile here...

..but as I said, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt..

Toney even said it was a "mismatch" in favour of Lacy.

[New]

I agree and admire your honesty; I have far more respect for you than I do the majority of your compatriots :good

me too.

[TFFP]

Why is it suspicious? Who has he ever beaten to begin with to be rated?

And check my join date, I didn't post here at the time
It's suspicious because it looks like they:
A) Don't like giving any credit
B) Don't want their poor knowledge to be exposed

Wasn't pinpointing you specifically. I'm sure not every American was so analytically challenged as to rate Lacy extremely highly, and pick him in that fight. But to claim he wasn't regarded highly in boxing circles is slightly erroneous - not to mention pointless - because we all saw how this place was at the time

[Bodysnatcher]

Toney even said it was a "mismatch" in favour of Lacy.

During Lacy vs Manfredo, Merchant started wondering why anyone ever rated Lacy.

Lampley immediately interrupted and expanded on how everyone had jumped on the Lacy bandwagon.

It was quite an interesting listen - Merchant was showing signs of Lacy amnesia, but Lampley was untroubled by the condition and was able to look back with a degree of honesty and realism.

[196osh]

:yikes

Well, in his defense, if you've heard him talk lately, it doesn't sound like James has much of his mental faculties left :D

:rofl

You say left.

Benn on Toney: He is thicker than two planks of wood.

Or something like that. :lol:

[mattress]

British my arse (OP).

[Krisv1]

I can promise you this, when Joe loses to Bernard he becomes a Welshman,,,,,if he wins hes promoted to British.

It was the same when Lewis lost to McAll, he became Jamaican/Canadian again. When he retained the title he was a true Brit.

Have we no Shame?????

[greengloves]

I can promise you this, when Joe loses to Bernard he becomes a Welshman,,,,,if he wins hes promoted to British.

It was the same when Lewis lost to McAll, he became Jamaican/Canadian again. When he retained the title he was a true Brit.

Have we no Shame?????

just realise,most societies are bandwagons these days,when andy murray loses he's suddenly scottish again ... you are just a fickle bunch who demand perfection at every opportunity when it is so seldom in availability.

but joe calzaghe has been very underhyped up until recently.

[DanePugilist]

....but I still love them...its called patriotism.

Yes Calzaghe is an exceptionally hped fighter who has never beaten a p4p in his life, hes made 20 defences of his his bogus WBO crown due to Frank ******s connections with Francico Varcacel.

But guess what .... we still love him.

Hatton beats up OAP's and gets fat between fights.

Amir Khan is a Millionaire before he has even won a European title.....which other country allows that.....Only in the UK.

Most of our fans have "MUG" plastered on their heads, and if anyone is half decent we do the best job at promoting them as legends (look at our crap footy Team as an example).

You Yanks leave us alone, we are the eternal fantasists...we all dream in the UK of having a Floyd Mayweather RJJ or a Pernell, but we wont accept we wont, thats why we image Calzaghe is great when hes not.

Look we even adopted Lennox, he left Canada because he knew 99% of Brits r stupid and he could make the most money here.Nice attempt to disguise your disgust for your own nationality. Selfloathing is not one of your finest trades.

I can also say this: You called yourself an eternal fantasist and gave yourself 99% chance that you are stupid. I give you the 100% stamp right on your forehead.

[Krisv1]

Nice attempt to disguise your disgust for your own nationality. Selfloathing is not one of your finest trades.

I can also say this: You called yourself an eternal fantasist and gave yourself 99% chance that you are stupid. I give you the 100% stamp right on your forehead.

Its ashame people take this to a personal level on here. This is forum, I am allowed to post my opinion. I dont wish death on anyone, all I have stated is my opinion on the measure of ability our fighters have.

Grow up, an be constructive...

[RafaelGonzal]

Finally someone lays it down thank you.

[Hermit]

Fuck patriotism, I dont pick my boxers on what country they're from.
Personally, I tend to pick the 'home team' first to cheer for. That doesn't mean I pick them to win. ;)

[JonOli]

We do often over hype them and build them up too much but its probably a good job because when we knock them back down we absolutely slaughter them beyond belief...

[Hermit]

Lacy's entrance song for that fight?

Well, `Born in the USA`, of course.



Never meant to be a patriotic song.
[Only registered and activated users can see links]

[GazOC]

I can promise you this, when Joe loses to Bernard he becomes a Welshman,,,,,if he wins hes promoted to British.

It was the same when Lewis lost to McAll, he became Jamaican/Canadian again. When he retained the title he was a true Brit.

Have we no Shame?????

Thats just bollocks....are you just making this up as you go along?

[jecxbox]

....but I still love them...its called patriotism.

Yes Calzaghe is an exceptionally hped fighter who has never beaten a p4p in his life, hes made 20 defences of his his bogus WBO crown due to Frank ******s connections with Francico Varcacel.

But guess what .... we still love him.

Hatton beats up OAP's and gets fat between fights.

Amir Khan is a Millionaire before he has even won a European title.....which other country allows that.....Only in the UK.

Most of our fans have "MUG" plastered on their heads, and if anyone is half decent we do the best job at promoting them as legends (look at our crap footy Team as an example).

You Yanks leave us alone, we are the eternal fantasists...we all dream in the UK of having a Floyd Mayweather RJJ or a Pernell, but we wont accept we wont, thats why we image Calzaghe is great when hes not.

Look we even adopted Lennox, he left Canada because he knew 99% of Brits r stupid and he could make the most money here.
its all about the patriotism man!!! Look at all of us Puerto Ricans adopted Edison Miranda and we know hes extremely limited but how could we not cheer for the bastard??? I wish Americans felt Patriotic in supporting their ridiculously talented fighters.

Please don't take what I am going to say offensive but it is just MY OPINION:

If Floyd Mayweather was W H I T E, He'd be TEN TIMES the PPV seller that Oscar De La Hoya ever was!!! :deal


BTW I thought it was bad ass when Floyd Mayweather came out to the song he came out to when he fought Ricky Hatton

[Hermit]

'Born in the USA' actually isn't a patriotic song in the slightest, in fact it's the opposite...

I posted a link to the lyrics a few up.

[Bodysnatcher]

'Born in the USA' actually isn't a patriotic song in the slightest, in fact it's the opposite...

As with Mayweather, the song was intended to be heard by the crowd as a jingoistic anthem to get American hearts behind their native superstar against the invading foreigner.

I know the song well.

Ronald Reagan called the song a patriotic anthem in his campaign for re-election in 84, I believe.

I don't think Bruce was surprised that Ron didn't listen too close...

[chimba]

Honest post..although a bit confrontational

and why is everyone hyping up fighters that loses to Calzaghe?? Because frankly who the fuck was LAcy??? I heard this guy was a silver medalist or something...For the life of me no one cares about Silver medalists in the states!!

And Kessler as well who is this guy?? this guy can use a can of motor oil hes so stiff, beating a guy like Andrade(worlds most unimpressive boxer) shouldnt make you famous

I have never seen fighters get so famous for losing than for losing to a Brit. Wanna be a star?? lose to a British boxer, you will be elevated to Godlike status

I respect Brits though...without them there wouldnt be ESB, they comprise 80% of us here and for the most part cool cats

[Bodysnatcher]

Look we even adopted Lennox, he left Canada because he knew 99% of Brits r stupid and he could make the most money here.

Lewis was born here and lived here for many of his early years.

Even if he was more Canadian, he chose Britain to base his career and made a point of going through the `British route`.

I don't see why it's `stupid` to support a guy who chooses to fly your nation's flag.

Even if it was a financial decision from Lewis, he gave British fans something to cheer for.

[GazOC]

C'mon Chimba, even though most people are trying to backpeddle on Lacy the fact is that most of the USA fans and media thought he was the next big thing.

[chimba]

Lacy was never a medalist to my knowledge :huh

Agree with the rest of your post, though

Just goes to prove that this guy was a nobody:deal

But is it just me, the brits play thgis game that if you lose to a Brit , then you will be elevated to great level so that the win can have an even more significant meaning.

Its not that Im not giving them credit...Benn was very good for beating Gerald (who i very good as well)

Honeyghan I give props to for beating a Great great fighter in Curry.

Right there McClellan and Curry were greater fighters than any fighters Joe or Ricky have fought..and please dont give me Tzyu.

[DanePugilist]

Its ashame people take this to a personal level on here. This is forum, I am allowed to post my opinion. I dont wish death on anyone, all I have stated is my opinion on the measure of ability our fighters have.

Grow up, an be constructive...Are you saying that there was anything even remotely contructive in your original post?

You called 99% of your countrymen stupid, and then you cry, when I call you stupid?

Hell, man your posting is contradictional on so many levels it's not even funny. How could I take it as other than a weak flame bait post(nothing wrong with that - but don't cry when you are getting flamed).

[chimba]

C'mon Chimba, even though most people are trying to backpeddle on Lacy the fact is that most of the USA fans and media thought he was the next big thing.

It may have been me so focused with MMA that I failed to follow him. But he is very crude, Tailor made for Joe.

Look Im not saying that Joe isnt great..He is a great fighter because of his skills but calling his opponents great is what bothers me. In fairness, if he beats BHOP even at an advance age of 43..Id say yes he has one great fighter in his resume just because Hop can still bring it.

Ricky on the otherhand is quite possibly teh most overrated fighter today..He lost to Collazo BTW

Khan, IMO has a chance to be great yet ..its funny but Brits klll this dude:lol:

[Bodysnatcher]

Are you an American? I ask honestly, because as an American, the only ones I've EVER seen hype up Lacy were Brits, following his loss to Joe.

This is a collection of American and international (but mostly American) media on Jeff Lacy, print and internet.

You'll notice that 90% of the articles are from before March 2006.

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Peruse them at your own leisure - maybe it'll all come back to you...

[chimba]

Just to show that Im objective, Lennox was one of my Fave..Now thats a Great Fighter. Im Canadian but I will consider him Englands son. But he did hone his skills in Canada:yep

[Hermit]

Sorry, didn't see your post :good
No one ever does. I'm thinking of changing over to InvisibleMan. I figured no one would follow the link and figure out lyrics were unpatriotic. Hell, The Boss laments that people only seem to hear/know the refrain from that song anyhow. Same type of filtering that goes on here at ESB all the time. :D

[D_knowsboxing]

I knew this would come out.:yep But I do have to say per sq mile, the UK is the second best place to find a boxer. Falling a distant second to.... dare I say it.... PR. Those motherfuckers breed some fighters for a country/state (don't want to get political) I'm impressed with those guys the most b/c they HAVE to fight americans early and often b/c of their geographic location.:bbb

[Robbi]

he was inactive for less than two but I see your point, he was number 2 on a lot of peoples lists but still he was top 5 in your opinion and coming off an impressive KO victory.

Did you think Hatton would win?

My opinion is fair and realistic, number two P4P isn't. I took Hatton to win on points and thats the gods honest truth. Tyszu's massive right hand and experience were major factors, but I took Hatton to pull off the upset.

[Hermit]

:lol:

It's probably because you don't have an avatar
Ah. Clarity at last. You are saying people here just look at the pictures? Yes, I am starting to understand now.... :think

[fitzgeraldz]

I think that the British are the most overhyped fighters ... but I don't think its because of the fighters ... they have a bad quality of trainers and terrible amateur program.

[Relentless]

I think that the British are the most overhyped fighters ... but I don't think its because of the fighters ... they have a bad quality of trainers and terrible amateur program.

:rofl :rofl

you have no idea.

[Arran]

i know he was born in england but

i'm sure he represented canada in the olympics.

i think that makes him canadian

when he KO'd Tyson....a British flag flew

when he beat Holyfield.....a British flag flew.


And so on and on and on

[rusticraver]

We're in the top 5 boxing nations in the world which is pretty good going if you ask me. Considering our population as much as anything and the fact that boxing is probably the 6th biggest sport

[Decebal]

I think that the British are the most overhyped fighters ... but I don't think its because of the fighters ... they have a bad quality of trainers and terrible amateur program.


Spot on, mate!:good


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[ThePlugInBabies]

the only reason that he came back to britain after the olympics because he said that boxing was much high profile in britain.

nothing to do with being born in britain.

.....and he only went to canada because his mum moved there. not some lifelong urge to live under the canuck flag and represent them at boxing.

[Arran]

the only reason that he came back to britain after the olympics because he said that boxing was much high profile in britain.

nothing to do with being born in britain.

so he still gave up waving the Canadian flag for the British flag!

[fitzgeraldz]

But I don't know if the UK has anything over South African fighters ... these guys are great athletes and are always in good conditioning but they can't box.

Look at Lovemore N'dou ... if he had a good trainer this guys would probably have a better record and have had multiple championships. He
s in great shape and is very discipline when it comes to keeping himself in shape ... I've seen so many fighters with the talent, the skills, the good trainer, and mess it all up because they have bad training habits.

Issac Hlatswayo
Corrie Sanders
Phillip N'dou
Silence Mabuza
Mzonke Fana
Cassius Baloyi

[Relentless]

you talk a load of shit, first you say this crap without knowing anything about the uk amateur programs..

they have a bad quality of trainers and terrible amateur program

and then when you are proven to be an idiot you say this....:huh

But I don't know if the UK has anything over South African fighters ... these guys are great athletes and are always in good conditioning but they can't box.

[fitzgeraldz]

Explain to me Relentless your argument?

[Relentless]

Explain to me Relentless your argument?

why dont you explain to me why you think the uk has a terrible amateur program?

[fitzgeraldz]

You got Amir Khan ... who won a silver medal ... I know about the olympics and the world championship ... I follow amateurs as well as pro.

You don't know me ... how are you going to tell me I don't know what i'm talking about?

If I don't call me out and explain ... bee-otch ...

I said what I believed ... Amir Khan is a rare prodigy from UK ... David Haye did some shit in the world championships winning a silver ...

[fitzgeraldz]

And their boxers don't transition to be good pros ... a US national championship can grant you atleast at times a championship run in the pros.

UK isn't up there with the former Solviet Union, Cubans, and the United States ...

[Relentless]

You got Amir Khan ... who won a silver medal ... I know about the olympics and the world championship ... I follow amateurs as well as pro.

You don't know me ... how are you going to tell me I don't know what i'm talking about?

If I don't call me out and explain ... bee-otch ...

I said what I believed ... Amir Khan is a rare prodigy from UK ... David Haye did some shit in the world championships winning a silver ...

you still have not explained to me why you think the UK has a terrible amateur program, instead you went into your usual white boy internet gangsta 'e-thuggin' calling me 'beotch'.

[fitzgeraldz]

PBF - 96' bronze, got robbed out of a chance for the gold
Jermain Taylor - 00' bronze
Rocky Juarez - 00' silver
DLH - 92' Gold
David Reid - 96' Gold
Andre Ward- 04' Gold
Andre Dirrell - 04' bronze
Rau'Shee ****** - 2-time olympian 04, 08
Tarver -96' bronze
Jones - 88' silver, got robbed out of a gold


the list keeps going for the US and I know the UK doesn't have the quality of programs than the US. Its like the NBA over in the US ... the fighters are good enough to peak after 24-48 mo. and turn pro.

[Relentless]

PBF - 96' bronze, got robbed out of a chance for the gold
Jermain Taylor - 00' bronze
Rocky Juarez - 00' silver
DLH - 92' Gold
David Reid - 96' Gold
Andre Ward- 04' Gold
Andre Dirrell - 04' bronze
Rau'Shee ****** - 2-time olympian 04, 08
Tarver -96' bronze
Jones - 88' silver, got robbed out of a gold


the list keeps going for the US and I know the UK doesn't have the quality of programs than the US. Its like the NBA over in the US ... the fighters are good enough to peak after 24-48 mo. and turn pro.

but you STILL have not yet explained to me why you think the UK has terrible amateur program, i'll wait.........

[fitzgeraldz]

because they do ... in the UK the boxers don't transitiion well ... they're brawlers playing boxer and don't know the art of the sweet science. None of them do much in the amateurs ... and like I said they don't transition well.

When was the last time that UK has had a gold medalist?

When was the last time a fighter from the UK was considered a good boxer?

How many times over and over have fighters fromt the UK have been exposed to be nothing more than unorthodox, overrated, nobody's.

[ApatheticLeader]

We British actually have a verg good amateur programme, but ultimately the transition from am to pro doesn't go well for a high percentage of our boxers. We don't really have too many great trainers.

[fitzgeraldz]

When was the last solid team from the UK and you expected them to do well?

I watch boxing in the olympics and UK is usually a sad case ...

[TFFP]

because they do ... in the UK the boxers don't transitiion well ... they're brawlers playing boxer and don't know the art of the sweet science. None of them do much in the amateurs ... and like I said they don't transition well.

When was the last time that UK has had a gold medalist?

When was the last time a fighter from the UK was considered a good boxer?

How many times over and over have fighters fromt the UK have been exposed to be nothing more than unorthodox, overrated, nobody's.
Joe Calzaghe is a good boxer, to put it mildly

Clinton Woods is a classically orthodox fighter - a good boxer

David Haye was a good amateur - he has very good boxing skills

They aren't all of the unorthodox Naz/Witter variety. This is a much smaller nation, with little interest in boxing. Get some perspective

[Relentless]

because they do ... in the UK the boxers don't transitiion well ... they're brawlers playing boxer and don't know the art of the sweet science. None of them do much in the amateurs ... and like I said they don't transition well.

When was the last time that UK has had a gold medalist?

When was the last time a fighter from the UK was considered a good boxer?

How many times over and over have fighters fromt the UK have been exposed to be nothing more than unorthodox, overrated, nobody's.

and yet you still ave not explained to me why you think the uk have s terrible amateur program.

you just gave me a bunch of your opinions about transitioning from am to pro.

[fitzgeraldz]

We British actually have a verg good amateur programme, but ultimately the transition from am to pro doesn't go well for a high percentage of our boxers. We don't really have too many great trainers.

Isn't that what I wrote?

I don't get why i'm taking so much heat from relentless for saying that.

you agree ... you are british ... whats the big deal ... its no different from south africa ... you have good fighters and potential but terrible trainers and training methods.

I've watched Irish amateur boxing on youtube ... all I see is winging shots ... not straight punches ... no strategy ... just all out buckin.

[fitzgeraldz]

and yet you still ave not explained to me why you think the uk have s terrible amateur program.

you just gave me a bunch of your opinions about transitioning from am to pro.

They don't do well in international events ... you have a couple of guys here and there that do something but as far as a team ... they don't do well.

Trainers aren't teaching these guys proper stance ... technique ... and emphasis on straight punching.

[Relentless]

so you base your whole opinion on a video clip you saw on youtube?

since you like to follow the ams, do you even know who the p4p best am in the uk is?

[ApatheticLeader]

Isn't that what I wrote?

I don't get why i'm taking so much heat from relentless for saying that.

you agree ... you are british ... whats the big deal ... its no different from south africa ... you have good fighters and potential but terrible trainers and training methods.

I've watched Irish amateur boxing on youtube ... all I see is winging shots ... not straight punches ... no strategy ... just all out buckin.

I never read your post.

[Relentless]

They don't do well in international events ... you have a couple of guys here and there that do something but as far as a team ... they don't do well.

Trainers aren't teaching these guys proper stance ... technique ... and emphasis on straight punching.

that settles it, you have never watched a uk am boxing match, in the uk straight punches are the bread and butter of am boxing, hooks and body shots rarely get scored.

[Fatty D]

Lewis was about as cockney as Yorkshire pudding. He left this country when he was 11. When he came back he had some retarded accent. Even when he was pencilled in to fight Kirk Johnson he billed it as a battle for Canadian bragging rights. British my ass. His about as British as Greg Rudsedski.

I'm sorry mate but you wouldn't fucking say that if you knew where he grew up. East, east, east London where he has put loads of money into colleges and projects for the young. Just cos he lost the accent doesn't mean he ain't East London. My family have lost their accents and haven't been back there for years but its still where they're from.

Oh East London
Is wonderful
Oh East London is wonderful
We've got tits, fanny and West Ham

[Fatty D]

Just on another note on us Brits saying that Lacy was rated. This is what we were told the Yanks were saying about him and that he'd be too young and too strong for Calzaghe.

To be fair though Marvin Hagler was saying that Calzaghe was too good for him. Hagler also said that He was one of the very best p4p in the world.

All this is bollocks though, ok you support your local national fighter, I WANTED Hatton to win but I didn't give him much of a chance.

Part of the problem is over here is that when I was growing up you got to see Lloyd Honeghan, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank et al on normal TV. It just disappeared when it went satellite so unless someone is hyped up the general public don't see them or have never heard of them.

One final thing, whatever the merits of Lacy as an opponent, that was one of the finest displays of boxing I've ever seen by a British boxer. Not the most exciting cos it was so one-sided but a real f*cking boxing lesson.

Hopefully, I'll meet some of you American fight fans on 19 April when I go to Vegas for my first time

[KO Boxing]

Yes Calzaghe is an exceptionally hped fighter who has never beaten a p4p in his life, hes made 20 defences of his his bogus WBO crown due to Frank ******s connections with Francico Varcacel.

:bowdown :bowdown :bowdown

You guys are great fans, but sometimes I feel you believe yourselves when you bring out threads like "UK is the best p4p" or whatever. Thanks to this thread, I understand that most realise the truth...

:D

[Ubersteve]

Audley is an Olympic gold medallist and he is shit, if winning more gold medals means we have more Audleys then fuck it.

[sean]

I'm sorry mate but you wouldn't fucking say that if you knew where he grew up. East, east, east London where he has put loads of money into colleges and projects for the young. Just cos he lost the accent doesn't mean he ain't East London. My family have lost their accents and haven't been back there for years but its still where they're from.

Oh East London
Is wonderful
Oh East London is wonderful
We've got tits, fanny and West Ham

scarletruntings is from east london and still lives in east london , so knows it very well.

not sure i agree with your last point, IMO you are where you live , i used to be an east londoner, but am now an essex man.

technically lewis is english,was born here and qualifies to represent the uk so i have no trouble following him , but listening to lewis, you can hardly call him an eastender.

[Bodysnatcher]

People who have no understanding of what is happening in British amateur boxing today should refrain from posting ignorant comments:

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"It is anything but amateur hour in British boxing. Three World Championship medals, one gold, two bronze, a stunning yield from the four boxers who qualified in the United States last week for the Beijing Olympics. The silver ball that started rolling with Amir Khan in Athens turned golden in Chicago late on Saturday night in the same 60kg (lightweight) category graced by the boy from Bolton.

Khan was the catalyst. Gavin and fellow medallists Joe Murray and Bradley Saunders, plus the fourth Beijing qualifier, Tony Jeffries, are effectively the Khan generation, now tapping into an infrastructure that followed in the wake of his success.

A year after Khan planted the British standard in Greece, Paul King, the newly appointed chief executive of the English Amateur Boxing Association (Eaba), presented an ambitious business plan to Sport England that outlined the their vision for amateur boxing. The results have, in boxing terms, transformed England into a revolutionary Cuba in the foothills of a golden future."

[Ubersteve]

He has a floaty accent, if you relocate when you're young you'll get that.