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thespecialone
03-25-2008, 08:56 PM
Will he have to be beaten by a fighter to be considered at the top end of the SMW division.

I personally don't think he quite has it to mix it with the top boys but i don't think he'll lose to any average fighter, he's a good lower end top 10 fighter.

pasky2000
03-25-2008, 08:59 PM
He brings excitement to a fight and I'd put him in with Miranda for real fireworks now that Kessler decided to skip his Showtime appearance...

thespecialone
03-25-2008, 09:04 PM
Yeah can't deny the guy has an exciting style and could overwhelm a lot of fighters but i don't think he has the tools to mix it at a higher level. Him against Miranda would be a great fight.

pasky2000
03-25-2008, 09:06 PM
I don't see Andrade being or at least staying a champion any long...
He will be a great stepping stone to others though.

DanePugilist
03-25-2008, 09:07 PM
Right now he is above gatekeeper level. Bika is a gatekeeper - Andrade no.

Scorpion
03-25-2008, 09:10 PM
B+ fighter IMO.

David_TheMan
03-26-2008, 09:39 AM
ANdrade needs to go to 160, maybe there his punches will hurt people. If he can go down and keep his shot absorbing technique he can be a champ.

ashley
03-26-2008, 09:41 AM
I think Andrade can have a great run at SMW if Joe and Kess move up to LHW.......who will beat him....Bute, Mundine?

saul_ir34
03-26-2008, 09:43 AM
Andrade has a big frame. I dont know if 160 is healthy for him however if he does. Pavlik's days are over. Pavlik would not hurt him and he sure as hell would hurt Pavlik with his power and relentless style and stamina.
At 168 he could get lucky and take a belt but i dont think he would keep it for long.

168 lbs
03-26-2008, 09:52 AM
At 168, Andrade is more than a gatekeeper. Bika is a gatekeeper, being a good contender and all. Guys like Stieglitz are decent contenders, but not as good as Bika. They ain't in the top 10, but they're still contenders. Andrade is a very good contender, better than a gatekeeper. He is top 5, man, so he ain't a gatekeeper. Andrade could become Champ soon. Gatekeepers don't become Champs.

I agree with the last feller. If Andrade cannot get a belt at SMW he should go down to 160. He doesn't seem to have problem making weight. He came in quite a bit under last time around, against Stieglitz. At 160, Andrade definitely wins a belt.

Odo
03-26-2008, 10:26 AM
At 168, Andrade is more than a gatekeeper. Bika is a gatekeeper, being a good contender and all. Guys like Stieglitz are decent contenders, but not as good as Bika. They ain't in the top 10, but they're still contenders. Andrade is a very good contender, better than a gatekeeper. He is top 5, man, so he ain't a gatekeeper. Andrade could become Champ soon. Gatekeepers don't become Champs.

I agree with the last feller. If Andrade cannot get a belt at SMW he should go down to 160. He doesn't seem to have problem making weight. He came in quite a bit under last time around, against Stieglitz. At 160, Andrade definitely wins a belt.

You really think that Andrade is a top 5 fighter,168?

You are right in saying that Andrade is more than a gatekeeper,but a top 5 fighter?

I dont know!

saul_ir34
03-26-2008, 10:31 AM
Well lets see. Calzaghe left 168 now.
So who is top 5 at 168??? Anyone know at 168 i ahve just been following Kessler Calzaghe Bute Andrade and now Miranda. Green a little but no way Green beats Andrade.

168 lbs
03-26-2008, 10:36 AM
You really think that Andrade is a top 5 fighter,168?

You are right in saying that Andrade is more than a gatekeeper,but a top 5 fighter?

I dont know!

I reckon so. He's rough but tough.

Kessler
Mundine/Bute
the guy who wins Froch v. Inkin/Andrade

Taylor is yet to fight at 168.

Andrade has beaten better fighters than Froch and Inkin. I reckon he's better than the winner between these two. If he ain't, I rate him Top 5. Need to see Inkin v. Froch first though.

Odo
03-26-2008, 10:41 AM
I reckon so. He's rough but tough.

Kessler
Mundine/Bute
the guy who wins Froch v. Inkin/Andrade

Taylor is yet to fight at 168.

Andrade has beaten better fighters than Froch and Inkin. I reckon he's better than the winner between these two. If he ain't, I rate him Top 5. Need to see Inkin v. Froch first though.

I for my part would rank the winner of Froch vs Inkin ahead of him.
I still dont know what to think of Braehmer. Some years ago I thought that he would conquer his weight division.He hasnt been the same since he is out of prison,but my gut feeling still keeps telling me that he has the tools to beat fighters like Inkin, Froch, or Andrade.

168 lbs
03-26-2008, 10:46 AM
I for my part would rank the winner of Froch vs Inkin ahead of him.
I still dont know what to think of Braehmer. Some years ago I thought that he would conquer his weight division.He hasnt been the same since he is out of prison,but my gut feeling still keeps telling me that he has the tools to beat fighters like Inkin, Froch, or Andrade.

Only if the winner is Froch. Inkin cannot take Andrade's pressure. Froch's got the chin. Maybe could outpoint him.

Brahmer? The fact that he asked to be removed from the WBA 168 rankings and to be ranked at 175 instead tells me plenty. He was no. 1 challenger to Mundine. Looks like he wants an easy shot at the WBA 175 title or a slightly harder shot at the WBO 168 title, where he's still ranked no. 1. Won't take any of the big boys, though. I have him around the Top 10 spot. Not sold on him more than that.

Odo
03-26-2008, 10:57 AM
Only if the winner is Froch. Inkin cannot take Andrade's pressure. Froch's got the chin. Maybe could outpoint him.

Brahmer? The fact that he asked to be removed from the WBA 168 rankings and to be ranked at 175 instead tells me plenty. He was no. 1 challenger to Mundine. Looks like he wants an easy shot at the WBA 175 title or a slightly harder shot at the WBO 168 title, where he's still ranked no. 1. Won't take any of the big boys, though. I have him around the Top 10 spot. Not sold on him more than that.

Inkin cant take Andrade's pressure? Interesting point! Inkin is faster than Stieglitz and has more pop in his fists than Stieglitz who couldnt cope with Andrade's style.
Whats more Inkin can run and is an excellent counterpuncher! Styles make fights! I tend to say that Andrade is tailor made for Inkin who looks horrible as soon as he is the one who has to hunt an defensive minded opponent.
However,Inkin has shown some convincing fights against opponents who went out to cause serious damage without having the patience to pick their shots carefully. I can be totally wrong of course.

168 lbs
03-26-2008, 11:01 AM
Inkin cant take Andrade's pressure? Interesting point! Inkin is faster than Stieglitz and has more pop in his fists than Stieglitz who couldnt cope with Andrade's style.
Whats more Inkin can run and is an excellent counterpuncher! Styles make fights! I tend to say that Andrade is tailor made for Inkin who looks horrible as soon as he is the one who has to hunt an defensive minded opponent.
However,Inkin has shown some convincing fights against opponents who went out to cause serious damage without having the patience to pick their shots carefully. I can be totally wrong of course.

Should have said: not sure if Inkin's chin can take Andrade's pressure. Inkin's better than Stieglitz for sure. If his chin ain't bad, he can take a decision against Andrade. You sure his chin's good enough to last 12 rounds? I'm waiting to see what Froch's punches say about that.

Nice talking to you, feller. Got to go.

Odo
03-26-2008, 11:07 AM
Should have said: not sure if Inkin's chin can take Andrade's pressure. Inkin's better than Stieglitz for sure. If his chin ain't bad, he can take a decision against Andrade. You sure his chin's good enough to last 12 rounds? I'm waiting to see what Froch's punches say about that.

Nice talking to you, feller. Got to go.

Yeah! Nice talking to you,too! Have to go now,too!

Inkin's chin? Thats the huge question mark,isnt it!

No, I am not sure whether Inkin will last 12 rounds with Froch or Andrade.
In terms of skills and talent neither Andrade nor Froch can hold a candle to him,but his chin may turn out to be his weak spot.Neither Andrade nor Froch are known to be feather fisted fighters who cant crack an egg.
I am defenitely looking forward to Inkin vs Froch. This upcomming fight should tell us a lot about either Froch and Inkin.

Shake
03-26-2008, 11:19 AM
I think Andrade is generally underestimated. I see him winning against Edison Miranda.