Tyson - Danny Williams

[josak]

I read this interview with Freddie Roach from a while back about the knee injury during the fight. I didn't realize how bad it was. Here's an excerpt:

Brad Cooney, (***********.com) - Freddie, firstly how is Mike Tyson and how bad is the injury to his knee?

Freddie Roach- Well, it happened in the first round.. he tore his lateral Miniscus in 4 places.. he had surgery 3 days ago..and has started his rehab. The doctor told me it was amazing he went 3 more rounds with that injury. But no excuses.. Danny Williams fought a good fight.. Maybe we can get the knee back in shape, and do it again.

Brad Cooney, (***********.com) - When I saw him go down, his eyes looked clear Freddie..was the Knee injury the reason he didn't get up, or was it the shots he took from Williams?

FR - Well that was part of the problem, and he did get hit with some big shots too..he started to take some shots when he couldn't move out of the way. I wish Mike would have told me how bad the injury was then..I probably would have stopped the fight then and there. He just couldn't move anymore.. I said "Mike why didn't you tell me" Mike said, " I didn't want to be a pussy".

:lol:

[Arran]

Danny owned Tyson! He would have done on any occasion.

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

Danny owned Tyson! He would have done on any occasion.
I think you should stick to posting in the lounge.

[Words]

This was an awesome fight, one of the most underrated fights of the last 5 years.

Tyson looked in good shape early on, and was landing vicious combinations. But Williams stood there, took it head on, and traded with Tyson! Toe-to-toe war, no finesse. Its the only time I've ever seen anyone beat Tyson by trying to brawl with him, and its a testament to the massive heart of Danny Williams that he stood right in front of Mike Tyson and went to war. Even at that age Tyson was a murderous puncher and one of the most dangerous heavyweights around in a slugfest.

[Beeston Brawler]

I think you should stick to posting in the lounge.

I dont think he should post at all. :rofl

[Arran]

Mike Tyson was never on Dannys level. He was owned by every decent fighter he faced!

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

This was an awesome fight, one of the most underrated fights of the last 5 years.

Tyson looked in good shape early on, and was landing vicious combinations. But Williams stood there, took it head on, and traded with Tyson! Toe-to-toe war, no finesse. Its the only time I've ever seen anyone beat Tyson by trying to brawl with him, and its a testament to the massive heart of Danny Williams that he stood right in front of Mike Tyson and went to war. Even at that age Tyson was a murderous puncher and one of the most dangerous heavyweights around in a slugfest.
CoughHolyfieldCough

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

Mike Tyson was never on Dannys level. He was owned by every decent fighter he faced!
'Dannys level'

What fucking planet are you on?

[Arran]

'Dannys level'

What fucking planet are you on?

People see Tysons early career ko'ing bums as greatness. Fact is, when he steeped up to the plate he failed miserably.

[sheff-fighter]

He's on a blatent wind up, mate

[Arran]

Im not. Beating bums like Tyson did then losing to the elite fighters like Lewis and Holyfield proves he was never ''great'' and only good at best. (early in his career). How many so called 'ATG's' has he beat? How many p4p? People diss Cazlaghe for this but let off Tyson because 1. He Ko'd people. 2. He's American.

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

Im not. Beating bums like Tyson did then losing to the elite fighters like Lewis and Holyfield proves he was never ''great'' and only good at best. (early in his career). How many so called 'ATG's' has he beat? How many p4p? People diss Cazlaghe for this but let off Tyson because 1. He Ko'd people. 2. He's American.
The lounge is missing you, goodbye.

[Arran]

See, you know Im right so instead you thrown bullshit my way telling me to go to the lounge.

[Words]

CoughHolyfieldCough

Yeah but Holyfield was more content to rough Tyson up on the inside, bully him, frustrate Tyson by tying him up. Williams went bomb-for-bomb and traded with Tyson from mid range, he didn't use the same tactics as Holyfield.

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

See, you know Im right so instead you thrown bullshit my way telling me to go to the lounge.
Yes, your argument is so strong that I cannot even start to argue with it, but hey I'll have a go.

Tyson was the youngest ever world champion, demolishing Berbick, Thomas, Holmes, Bruno, and Spinks on the way.

Not only did he became the undisputed world champion by the age of 21 but he destroyed everyone put in front of him.

After serving 3 years in prison he again captured the world heavyweight championship, however, as many people noted he was not the same fighter, with regards to movement, combinations and work rate.

This downward spiral led to him losing in to C- fighters like Williams and Mcneeley.

Tyson of course also lost to two fellow hall of famers in Lewis and Holyfield. Both of which would of gave Tyson trouble at any stage in his career, however, most agree that a 80's Tyson certainely would not of been demolished by this two - and head to head Iron Mike would compete with any Heavyweight in history.

Now, what has Danny Williams achieved other than beating a 56 year old Mike Tyson you fucking idiot.

[Arran]

Hamed was world champion ar 21. Yet not recognised as an ATG by most on here.

He beat a Bruno with a detached retna who should not have been fighting.

Was Holmes not 39?

Spinks beat who? Holmes twice! When he was approcahing 40!

[Words]

.

Now, what has Danny Williams achieved other than beating a 56 year old Mike Tyson you fucking idiot.

He retired Vitali Klitschko!:lol:

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

Hamed was world champion ar 21. Yet not recognised as an ATG by most on here.

He beat a Bruno with a detached retna who should not have been fighting.

Was Holmes not 39?

Spinks beat who? Holmes twice! When he was approcahing 40!
Hamed will go down as the hardest hitting and one of the best feather's of all time you pube.

Don't give me that shit, he beat the living crap out of Bruno twice - brutal beatings. Bruno said he'd rather go 24 rounds with Lennox Lewis than 1 round with Mike Tyson.

Spinks was many people's favourite in a highly anticipated fight between two undefeated heavyweights. Many believed he would out box Tyson.

At least Holmes still had an ounce of ability, unlike the Tyson who fought the mighty Williams. All Tyson had at this stage was power.

[Arran]

Holmes was 39. End of.

Did Bruno fight Tyson with a detatched retna? Yes.

Did Williams out-bomb Tyson at a younger age than Holmes? Yes.

[coronacards]

I've watched that fight numerous times, and you can pinpoint EXACTLY when Tyson hurt his knee and when the fight went downhill.

Tyson almost had him knocked down in the 1st round, and Williams was getting beaten up.

Tyson got injured at the end of the first round, it's plain as day to see it, and he immediately started throwing wild hooks to try to get rid of Williams.

Anyone who thinks Danny Williams would've won without the knee injury, should be committed.


Thank you.

Sincerely,

The Voice of Reason

[Arran]

Danny Williams has the heart of a lion, he would never stay down.

[McGrain]

Yeah, Williams had about as much heart as a fighter could have and proved it on multiple occasions. He also kicked the shit out of Tyson that night and no mistake.

I agree with the early post seeing it as an underated fight, that is spot on, it's a great fight. As for Tyson's excuse? When did he NOT have one upon losing?

[Tony Harrison]

The fact Tyson lost his next fight against that fat fake Irish sack of shit without even throwing any punches should illustrate the irrelevance of both contests.

I honestly believe Lewis beat all the fight Mike had left out of him.

[McGrain]

I've watched that fight numerous times, and you can pinpoint EXACTLY when Tyson hurt his knee and when the fight went downhill.

Tyson almost had him knocked down in the 1st round, and Williams was getting beaten up.

Tyson was a two-three round fighter by this time. Of course Williams was going to have to ride the storm during that period and of course the knee injury helped immensley...

Anyone who thinks Danny Williams would've won without the knee injury, should be committed.

...but this is a silly thing to say. I think it's feasible that Williams would have won, his plan was ideal for this version.

Furthermore, WIlliams, on song (As he was that night) was a much, much, much, much better fighter than Kevin McBride.

[coronacards]

Danny Williams sucks.

[McGrain]

Danny Williams sucks.

I'll hazard a guess that you wouldn't say this to his face even now, and that you would have actually shat in your pants if he'd walked into your house the day after he tanked Mike Tyson.

[coronacards]

Tyson was a two-three round fighter by this time. Of course Williams was going to have to ride the storm during that period and of course the knee injury helped immensley...



...but this is a silly thing to say. I think it's feasible that Williams would have won, his plan was ideal for this version.

Furthermore, WIlliams, on song (As he was that night) was a much, much, much, much better fighter than he was against Kevin McBride.


You guys are acting lke morons...you can plainly see Tyson clutch his knee. Hell, the commentators even mention it.

HE WENT FOR SURGERY AFTER THE FIGHT.

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There is a link to the fight. With 30 seconds left in the first round (3:09 into the video), Tyson mysteriously grabs his knee and backs off of his attack. He already almost had Williams down a couple of times.

Immediately following his injury, he backs up, pauses, and then unleashes a number of hooks trying to put Williams away. It's plain to see that they are mostly arm punches.

Watch the video, then stop spewing your garbage.

[coronacards]

I'll hazard a guess that you wouldn't say this to his face even now, and that you would have actually shat in your pants if he'd walked into your house the day after he tanked Mike Tyson.

Danny Williams was all hype. He was never in shape, and never had a good chin or defense.

Are you his brother or something?

[coronacards]

Just like when they hyped the Williams-Klitschko fight:

"THE MAN WHO DESTROYED MIKE TYSON" hahahaha

It was a joke.

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

Holmes was 39. End of.

Did Bruno fight Tyson with a detatched retna? Yes.

Did Williams out-bomb Tyson at a younger age than Holmes? Yes.
Did Tyson knock out the granite chinned Holmes in 4 rounds? Yes.

Did Tyson knockout Bruno twice? Yes.

Was Tyson pathetic shell of his former self when he fought Williams? Yes.

[McGrain]

You guys are acting lke morons...you can plainly see Tyson clutch his knee. Hell, the commentators even mention it.

HE WENT FOR SURGERY AFTER THE FIGHT.

Can you please find the part of my post where I say he isn't injured?

[McGrain]

Danny Williams was all hype. He was never in shape, and never had a good chin or defense.

Are you his brother or something?

He wasn't all hype. He was about right for the level he fought at - British and Commonwealth with a serious beating at title level.

I've never said otherwise, and I don't see how you could dispute this.

[Arran]

Did Tyson knock out the granite chinned Holmes in 4 rounds? Yes.

Did Tyson knockout Bruno twice? Yes.

Was Tyson pathetic shell of his former self when he fought Williams? Yes.

Was Holmes approaching 40? Yes

Did Bruno have a detached retna? Yes

Was Tyson a shell of his former self? He was the day he walked out the prison gates.

[psychopath]

Mike Tyson was never on Dannys level. He was owned by every decent fighter he faced!

Never on Danny's level? What has Danny Williams accomplish in his career which is better than what Tyson had accomplished?

Is that an stupidity out of being clueless? Or you are just being blinded by your love for Danny Williams? :think

Which ever it is . . . you are surely making yourself look like a big joke.

[McGrain]

Which ever it is . . . you are surely making yourself look like a big joke.


It's like his hobby.

[Arran]

Is that an stupidity out of being clueless? Or you are just being blinded by your love for Danny Williams? :think

Which ever it is . . . you are surely making yourself look like a big joke.

Which ATG or p4p did he beat? He made his name as a youngster beating up 39 year old Holmes.

[psychopath]

Which ATG or p4p did he beat? He made his name as a youngster beating up 39 year old Holmes.

The guy . . . dominated the HWD at one point in his career, had Wliiams ever came close to that?

ATG? Why . . . what makes you so sure that Williams had fought any ATG at this point? :think

[Arran]

Im not saying he has but in another thread we have people claiming Calzaghe cant be an ATG as he has never beaten an ATG.

[psychopath]

Im not saying he has but in another thread we have people claiming Calzaghe cant be an ATG as he has never beaten an ATG.

Well separate the Hypes from the facts . . . we don't and we can't determine who are going to be ATG's or who's not while these fighters are still active.

Only time can tell.

[McGrain]

Well separate the Hypes from the facts . . . we don't and we can't determine who are going to be ATG's or who's not while these fighters are still active.

Only time can tell.


That's true for the bordeline cases and the guys still at the beginning of careers, but I think it's pretty obvious that Hopkins, Jones and Mayweather all qualify without having to be retired to do so.

[psychopath]

That's true for the bordeline cases and the guys still at the beginning of careers, but I think it's pretty obvious that Hopkins, Jones and Mayweather all qualify without having to be retired to do so.

I agree. These fighters have already accomplished so much.

Infact I wanted Bhops and RJones to retire now . . . so their places in the ATG won't be threatened anymore. :yep

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

Was Tyson a shell of his former self? He was the day he walked out the prison gates.
:huh

You just contradicted your entire argument.

Is Arran a clown? Yes.

[mario]

danny is a tough fighter but no where in the same level as tyson, tyson would have won that fight if he was not injured in the first round, how can you fight when you cannot pivot and throw properly? but we all know how that turned out, no excuses for tyson, bottom line he still lost fair and square,

[MrSmall]

He never complained about the long count.
Headbutts - did you see the gashes he had over his eyes after/during the Holy fights?
Knee injury - I dunno bout that.

[Arran]

:huh

You just contradicted your entire argument.

Is Arran a clown? Yes.

no I didnt, me claiming that after he came out of prison he wasnt as good as he was before is not contradictory.

[Arran]

Dude are you smoking crack!

Check your facts before you make stupid posts

First Micheal Spinks faced Larry Holmes when Holmes was 36! and Larry was 48-0 at the time and had been Champ from 1978-1985 and after the Tyson fight Larry went on to beat a undefeated Ray Mercer who was the linear WBO champ at age 42!

And by the way Frank Bruno's eyes was just fine the first time Tyson kicked his china chin ass!:yep

china chin? So how come Tyson didnt KO him early with that almight power? It took him 5 rounds.

[Ilesey]

I'm a huge Williams fan. He looked very good in that fight.

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

no I didnt, me claiming that after he came out of prison he wasnt as good as he was before is not contradictory.
Yes it does idiot.

Was Tyson a shell of his former self? He was the day he walked out the prison gates.

'A shell of his former self', thus, your admitting he was a shell vs Holyfield, Lewis, WILLIAMS, Mcbride.

Jesus, your annoying.

[Arran]

Yes it does idiot.



'A shell of his former self', thus, your admitting he was a shell vs Holyfield, Lewis, WILLIAMS, Mcneeley.

Jesus, your annoying.

yes, but his so called 'former self'' was fighting people like Holmes and Spinks, we didnt see a so called prime Tyson (I think everyone will agree it was between 20-23_ fight anyone other than old people. Hameds prime was long before he started fighting in the US, yet people on here only bring up Barrera, Kelley and Sanchez fights like they were the only fights of note.

[2ironmt]

This was an awesome fight, one of the most underrated fights of the last 5 years.

Tyson looked in good shape early on, and was landing vicious combinations. But Williams stood there, took it head on, and traded with Tyson! Toe-to-toe war, no finesse. Its the only time I've ever seen anyone beat Tyson by trying to brawl with him, and its a testament to the massive heart of Danny Williams that he stood right in front of Mike Tyson and went to war. Even at that age Tyson was a murderous puncher and one of the most dangerous heavyweights around in a slugfest. only thing williams did well was stay on his feet while "out" and absorb punishment. williams was only able to answer in the 2nd only after tyson had injured his knee. than when tyson was no longer able to move, williams simply threw 20 unanswered wild shots which tyson took but quit. no way williams survives but for the injury (even 3 rounds).

[The Kurgan]

He retired Vitali Klitschko!:lol:

He retired Klitschko, ruined SSS/Fraudley Harrison/Julius Francis (all potential future champs) and destroyed a near-peak Tyson.

Danny Williams is the best boxer of our generation. Who else has a resume like the above?

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

yes, but his so called 'former self'' was fighting people like Holmes and Spinks, we didnt see a so called prime Tyson (I think everyone will agree it was between 20-23_ fight anyone other than old people. Hameds prime was long before he started fighting in the US, yet people on here only bring up Barrera, Kelley and Sanchez fights like they were the only fights of note.
Why the hell do you keep bringing Hamed up?

What has he got to do with anything? Regardless, I could argue how shit Hamed's competiton was before fighting Barrera...did he only look so good because of his opponents?

Whatever you think of the competition, the manner and most of all the ease in which Tyson dominated gives a good indication of how good he was. Much like Hamed (since you insist on bringing him up)

To say that Danny Williams would beat any version of Tyson is almost slander. You should be locked up for saying that. At least Barrera was a p4p great, it's feasible to say he'd beat any version of Hamed, to say Williams who's never won a European title let alone be undisputed champion would be Tyson is ridiculous.

[2ironmt]

Why the hell do you keep bringing Hamed up?

What has he got to do with anything? Regardless, I could argue how shit Hamed's competiton was before fighting Barrera...did he only look so good because of his opponents?

Whatever you think of the competition, the manner and most of all the ease in which Tyson dominated gives a good indication of how good he was. Much like Hamed (since you insist on bringing him up)

To say that Danny Williams would beat any version of Tyson is almost slander. You should be locked up for saying that. At least Barrera was a p4p great, it's feasible to say he'd beat any version of Hamed, to say Williams who's never won a European title yeah is ridiculous.

yup. hope the guy was kidding about williams. anyone w/ familiarity with tyson's pre prison comp knows it wasn't that bad. except for a couple of fighters, its about equal to lewis' comp.

[Quickhands21]

Arran shut your faggot ass the fuck up! Your in here hyping danny fucking williams and Frank Bruno.2 jokes for heavyweight fighters..Im not a huge Tyson fan but he did clearly hurt his knee..willias was CLEARLY on the way out before that

[Arran]

Why the hell do you keep bringing Hamed up?

What has he got to do with anything? Regardless, I could argue how shit Hamed's competiton was before fighting Barrera...did he only look so good because of his opponents?

Whatever you think of the competition, the manner and most of all the ease in which Tyson dominated gives a good indication of how good he was. Much like Hamed (since you insist on bringing him up)

To say that Danny Williams would beat any version of Tyson is almost slander. You should be locked up for saying that. At least Barrera was a p4p great, it's feasible to say he'd beat any version of Hamed, to say Williams who's never won a European title let alone be undisputed champion would be Tyson is ridiculous.

He won the commonwealth title. Which is basically on a par with the Euro.

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

He won the commonwealth title. Which is basically on a par with the Euro.
Hard on.

I suppose the WBF is on a par with the WBC too?

Answer the rest of my post instead of a one sentence reply. Backing up and answer is always good. You hearing me?

[Arran]

Hard on.

I suppose the WBF is on a par with the WBC too?

Answer the rest of my post instead of a one setence reply. Backing up and answer is always good. You hearing me?

no, reading you.

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

Jesus christ.

That is all.

[Arran]

I win.

Danny Williams is a legend.

Tyson is over-rated!

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

I win.

Danny Williams is a legend.

Tyson is over-rated!
You don't follow boxing.

Your a lounge boy, I win.

[The Exile]

I win.

Danny Williams is a legend.

Tyson is over-rated!





Fuck off Arran :yep

You slate tysons brutal ko win against Holmes as if it was a nothing win, Holmes is a legend of the ring and after suffering the only ko of his 75 fight career from tyson, went on to take both Holyfield (4years later by the way) and McCall the distance (close points loss) and also beat Mercer along the way.

Tyson is the only guy to have KO'd Larry and to say this win means nothing just shows how little you know.

[The Exile]

You don't follow boxing.

Your a lounge boy, I win.




I wouldnt bother argueing with the twat, his life obviously revolves around posting bollocks on net forums.

The guy needs to get laid so he can have something more productive in his life.

[Arran]

You don't follow boxing.

Your a lounge boy, I win.

Im not a lounge boy, and have probably followed boxing longer than you. Tyson was a myth. Like Robin Hood. He lost to every ATG he faced.

[Arran]

I wouldnt bother argueing with the twat, his life obviously revolves around posting bollocks on net forums.

The guy needs to get laid so he can have something more productive in his life.

Great post. :happy Amazing.

[PH|LLA]

seriously getting injured in the ring is just another sign of a fighter who should not be fighting so at the end of the day Danny Williams was better than Tyson on that night.

[D.Haye-no1-p4p]

Im not a lounge boy, and have probably followed boxing longer than you. Tyson was a myth. Like Robin Hood. He lost to every ATG he faced.
Your an idiot, you've not backed any of your points up - you've ignored half of what I've said and replied with one sentence answers, classic signs of someone with a lack of knowledge and/or debating skills.

P.S. I don't give a fuck if you've followed boxing longer than me, I've watched, read and boxed for almost 10 years now...I know my stuff.

[The Exile]

Great post. :happy Amazing.



Cheers, much appreciated :good


You're arguement is still shit. Tell me how Tyson Ko'ing Holmes isnt impressive?

[2ironmt]

seriously getting injured in the ring is just another sign of a fighter who should not be fighting so at the end of the day Danny Williams was better than Tyson on that night. only if "better" means not susceptible to a knee injury, you may have somewhat of a point. however, fighters of all ages suffer injuries in the ring. the fact is williams is lucky that tyson had his as he was getting absolutely battered.

[Arran]

Your an idiot, you've not backed any of your points up - you've ignored half of what I've said and replied with one sentence answers, classic signs of someone with a lack of knowledge and/or debating skills.

P.S. I don't give a fuck if you've followed boxing longer than me, I've watched, read and boxed for almost 10 years now...I know my stuff.

10 years? Ive done the above for closer to 20. My opinion is valid if I go by the way of the Calzaghe/Hamed haters. People give reasons for these two not being ATG's, then claim Tyson should be an ATG even though he has not ticked as many boxes as these two.

[Arran]

Cheers, much appreciated :good


You're arguement is still shit. Tell me how Tyson Ko'ing Holmes isnt impressive?

at 39? Would Lewis retuning and being Ko'd by Haye be impressive of Haye?

[The Exile]

at 39? Would Lewis retuning and being Ko'd by Haye be impressive of Haye?



Lewis was nearly 40 when he beat and made mincemeat out of Vitali's face. The heavyweights are that bad at the moment Lewis could probably come back and beat the majority of them.

Like i said Holmes was Ko'd once in a 75 fight career and after that ko went on and 4 years later took Holyfield the distance, aswell as losing a very close one aganst Oliver McCall who wasnt exactly a light puncher. Beat Mercer who was a top 10 contender.

Whilst obviously past his best years, Tysons ko over Holmes is still very impressive. To deny that is either hating or pure stupidity.