Mayweather - Castillo 1

[Smokin Destroyer]

Just curious how everyone scored this as I had Mayweather up 6-5-1, which surprised me as I know a lot of people had Castillo winning quite clearly. Good close fight.

[Melo]

It was a close fight, a lot of people had Castillo winning, but a lot of people had Floyd winning as well. It was probably around 50/50 at least at the press row...

[Mook]

Yeah, it' like Hatton-Collazo, it became more controversial after the event. I had PBF by two rounds.

[sweet_scientist]

I had Castillo by 2 points. Can't really argue wiht anyone that has Floyd by 2 points.

[Mook]

I had Castillo by 2 points. Can't really argue wiht anyone that has Floyd by 2 points.

for me, that's the right attitude. No way was it a robbery, even if you thought Castillo won.

It was close enough that neither proved that they were definitively better than the other. so, fair play to both of em they had the rematch, PBF won slightly more comfortably. That kinda confirmed it.

[Boro chris]

Looked as if Castillo had won by 2. Iffy verdict but nothing to loose any sleep over, I've seen worse.

[InHumanForm]

castillo took it at least by two. To quote Lampley after the winner was announced...."not the fight we saw"

i mean shit, castillo threw more and landed more and was essentially the aggressor throughout.

[achillesthegreat]

I think Castillo won it. I can't see how Mayweather won but I respect that 50% of the people who watched it thought Floyd won.

Floyd had a torn rotator cuff and two broken ribs. It was his first campaigning fight at 135 and he faced someone who had a good ten pounds on him.

Given the point deductions I think Floyd lost. Floyd got deducted a point but I think the round Castillo got deducted a point, he won.

Castillo by at least one point, most likely two or even three if theres a touch of bias.

On paper, given the judges and 50% of the people I give Floyd his credit but I do think he lost it.

Castillo threw more, landed more and landed harder. The first two rounds were clearly for Floyd but nothing was clear after that.

It was a war, where Floyd stoof his ground impressively on occassion. Castillo landed some big blows and Floyd never wilted but ultimately Castillo should have got the W.

Props to Floyd for taking the immediate rematch and winning so clearly.

[H .]

After seeing this fight, I knew Mayweather was not the winner. I wouldn't have been angry if they called it a draw, but I did feel that Castillo won. So I was disappointed that they gave it to Mayweather.
But Floyd came back and won the rematch clearly, so whatever.

[tills9191]

''NOT THE FIGHT WE SAW'' commentator.
final PUNCH compubox stats
CASTILLO LANDED 203 THROWN 506 PCT. 40%
FLOYD LANDED 157 THROWN 448 PCT. 35%

TOTAL POWER PUNCHES
CASTILLO LANDED 173 THROWN 377 PCT. 46%
FLOYD LANDED 66 THROWN 161 PCT. 44%

STATS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES..
Castillo got robbed in clear daylight....

[Minotauro]

I've always thought Castillo won by two points but the fight was so close it could have gone either way.

[IsaL]

Castillo won the first one clearly. The second fight was very close, but Mayweather pot shotted his way to a weak victory.

[getup]

i bet a grand on floyd by dec. at -125.i thought for sure that was gone money.scored it 6-5-1 fo castillo and i thought that was being generous....,

[RAMPAGE0017]

''NOT THE FIGHT WE SAW'' commentator.
final PUNCH compubox stats
CASTILLO LANDED 203 THROWN 506 PCT. 40%
FLOYD LANDED 157 THROWN 448 PCT. 35%

TOTAL POWER PUNCHES
CASTILLO LANDED 173 THROWN 377 PCT. 46%
FLOYD LANDED 66 THROWN 161 PCT. 44%

STATS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES..
Castillo got robbed in clear daylight....

That isn't going to do a lick of good, unfortunately. Mayweather nut-huggers are inevitably going to say " compubox numbers don't mean shit ", ofcourse they'll only be saying this to benefit their own arguement.. yet under any other circumstances ( such as the DLH/Mayweather fight ) I'm sure that they'll jump at the opportunity to point out such statistics, which I've actually seen them do a number of times.

Don't get me wrong, it was reasonably close, but not so close that Castillo shouldn't have taken it, IMO. And just because Floyd won the rematch convincingly, that doesn't erase the fact that Castillo should've won the first fight. He was landing more frenquently than Mayweather, his blows were landing just as cleanly as Mayweather's were, and he was more active from the mid-rounds and onward. People can say Floyd had broken ribs, the flu, cancer, typhus, whatever they want, but he still should've lost.

[RAMPAGE0017]

That is COMPLETE AND TOTAL bullshit! No fucking way that is correct at all. Punchstat sucks, we need to stop relying on that.


See? This is one of the comments I was talking about. :rofl

[Guru_Too_You]

''NOT THE FIGHT WE SAW'' commentator.
final PUNCH compubox stats
CASTILLO LANDED 203 THROWN 506 PCT. 40%
FLOYD LANDED 157 THROWN 448 PCT. 35%

TOTAL POWER PUNCHES
CASTILLO LANDED 173 THROWN 377 PCT. 46%
FLOYD LANDED 66 THROWN 161 PCT. 44%

STATS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES..
Castillo got robbed in clear daylight....

Maybe if you provided a round by round synopsis you could stand much more firmly behind those numbers.

[Thread Stealer]

Compubox means crap.

It is inaccurate and misleading. I don't know why anyone would use it as evidence to say a fighter was robbed or whatever.

Anyway, Castillo took too long to get going IMO, and I had Mayweather ahead by a couple of points. It was a pretty entertaining fight actually. We got to see Floyd pushed harder than he ever has before, and Castillo showed again that indeed he is a very formidable fighter.

[Bazooka]

Ring Magazine had it scored 115-114 for Castillo, The punch stats show that Castillo had an edge in the fight, both Ring and Punch stats are the first two things that a Floyd fan will point out, when you question his status why Floyd is rated so highley they point to all the various media outlets especially Ring, when you argue a fight you felt didnt or shouldnt have gone that way they tend to point to the punch stats, its funny becuase when it comes to this fight, they dont want to talk punch stats.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Ring Magazine had it scored 115-114 for Castillo, The punch stats show that Castillo had an edge in the fight, both Ring and Punch stats are the first two things that a Floyd fan will point out, when you question his status why Floyd is rated so highley they point to all the various media outlets especially Ring, when you argue a fight you felt didnt or shouldnt have gone that way they tend to point to the punch stats, its funny becuase when it comes to this fight, they dont want to talk punch stats.



Words of wisdom, brother.

[Bazooka]

Words of wisdom, brother.

:good

[Thread Stealer]

Ring Magazine had it scored 115-114 for Castillo, The punch stats show that Castillo had an edge in the fight, both Ring and Punch stats are the first two things that a Floyd fan will point out, when you question his status why Floyd is rated so highley they point to all the various media outlets especially Ring, when you argue a fight you felt didnt or shouldnt have gone that way they tend to point to the punch stats, its funny becuase when it comes to this fight, they dont want to talk punch stats.

I never, ever use punchstats as evidence.

I've said it several times before, how are you going to trust a system that says Floyd landed 200+ punches against De La Hoya and said De La Hoya landed 120+ on Floyd? It also said De La Hoya landed 263 on Trinidad and Trinidad landed 166 on De La Hoya! Did you see Gatti land anywhere near 41 punches on Mayweather?

They are people sitting there watching two extremely fast professional fighters throwing shots. They're going to miss them, and usually they tend to overstate how many shots are landing.

The only time I bring Compubox up is when a Trinidiot is going overboard and I bring up the Wright-Trinidad stats just to mess with them.

[Bazooka]

90% of the punches Castillo landed were to the body. 90% of the punches Floyd landed were to the head. It's much harder to hit the head, that's why Floyd rightfully won the fight. You can't go to the body the whole 12 rounds and expect to get a decision.

You have got that all wrong, it is not harder to hit someone to the head, its harder to hit them to the body, you have to get on the inside and place your shots, which usally leaves you open to getting hit each time you step in, you take more risk working the body, while you can stay out at range and pot shot to the head much easier.
and if you think that 90% of Castillos shots landed to the body, I would like you to provide a source with that stat, becuase in that fight Castillo worked the ladder pretty good that night.

[H .]

I never, ever use punchstats as evidence.

I've said it several times before, how are you going to trust a system that says Floyd landed 200+ punches against De La Hoya and said De La Hoya landed 120+ on Floyd? It also said De La Hoya landed 263 on Trinidad and Trinidad landed 166 on De La Hoya! Did you see Gatti land anywhere near 41 punches on Mayweather?

They are people sitting there watching two extremely fast professional fighters throwing shots. They're going to miss them, and usually they tend to overstate how many shots are landing.

The only time I bring Compubox up is when a Trinidiot is going overboard and I bring up the Wright-Trinidad stats just to mess with them.

Nonsense. The punchstats are more legit than any expert counting punches on TV. Go to ringside and watch them for yourself, they know what they're doing.
For Mayweather, at best a draw.

[Thread Stealer]

Nonsense. The punchstats are more legit than any expert counting punches on TV. Go to ringside and watch them for yourself, they know what they're doing.
For Mayweather, at best a draw.

Compubox means crap.

You mean to tell me that Floyd landed 200+ punches on De La Hoya? De La Hoya parried so many of Floyd's shots. Trinidad landed 166 on De La Hoya? Gatti landed 41 on Mayweather?

Watching it on TV, you have the benefit of slow-motion replays on video while the Compubox people can't do that. They have to watch two fast guys throws shots that come within a couple inches of a guy's face. People are going to make errors because it's such a difficult job.

The punchstats mean little. They're an entertaining tool and all, but it proves hardly anything.

[Thread Stealer]

The head can move on it's own, body can't move without legs. Therefore it's easier to hit the body. This is the first time I ever heard anyone say "it's easier to hit the body than head". I'm sure everyone here dissagrees with you.


Yeah, I always think of what Gil Clancy kept saying during Leonard-Hagler "the head moves, the body doesn't move".

Bodypunching is unfortunately, overlooked quite a bit, including Hagler-Leonard. Hagler could've attacked the body more but he did do his share of bodywork.

[H .]

Compubox means crap.

You mean to tell me that Floyd landed 200+ punches on De La Hoya? De La Hoya parried so many of Floyd's shots. Trinidad landed 166 on De La Hoya? Gatti landed 41 on Mayweather?

Watching it on TV, you have the benefit of slow-motion replays on video while the Compubox people can't do that. They have to watch two fast guys throws shots that come within a couple inches of a guy's face. People are going to make errors because it's such a difficult job.

The punchstats mean little. They're an entertaining tool and all, but it proves hardly anything.

Oh, you were at ringside during the Mayweather/De La Hoya fight? I'm sure you were counting.
When you become a punchstats person at ringside for fights, tell me what it's like.

[achillesthegreat]

Castillo won the first one clearly. The second fight was very close, but Mayweather pot shotted his way to a weak victory.
The second one was clear as day. 7-5 if you favour aggression and are biased. Personally I had it 8-3-1.

So what if he pot shotted. If his opponent can't clock what he is doing and adapt to it then he leaves with a W.

When Floyd has been troubled and allowed to sit back and pot shot he has adapted i.e. Judah and Mitchell.

[Thread Stealer]

Oh, you were at ringside during the Mayweather/De La Hoya fight? I'm sure you were counting.
When you become a punchstats person at ringside for fights, tell me what it's like.

:lol:

What a load of crap.

You sound like Floyd and his "you never boxed, how do you know?" junk.

Watching the fight on tape gives the viewer an advantage that a Compubox counter does not have. They have a difficult job to see what punches actually land and to press it so quickly. If they could watch it on tape and closely analyze it and had the option of slow-motion, then the numbers would be more accurate because the job is infinitely easier.

And yeah, I closely watched it on tape and in slow-mo to see what punches actually landed. If you're watching guys like De La Hoya and Mayweather, that is often necessary because world class boxers are so fast.

Key Punches/Moments of The Fight:

Round 1-

2:30: Mayweather misses a leaping left hook, lands a right hand
2:25: Mayweather lands a leaping left hook
2:12: De La Hoya gets Mayweather on the ropes and lands some left hooks, but they are all low, or borderline low.
2:00: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:35: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:23: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
0:17: De La Hoya lands a left hook to the nuts

Round 1: Mayweather

Round 2-

2:34: De La Hoya misses two jabs, misses a left hook, misses a jab, Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
2:23: De La Hoya gets Mayweather near the ropes and misses two left hooks, misses a right, and misses another left hook. Mayweather leaps in with a left hook, but it appears that it's caught by De La Hoya's right glove (tough to see from the angle)
2:05: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face, De La Hoya misses a right hand, but his follow up left hook lands and his jab lands.
0:57: Mayweather retreating to the ropes, lands a grazing right hand, then takes a right to the body as he gets off the ropes, and then eats a De La Hoya jab that snaps his head back
0:48: Mayweather lands a jab to the face

Round 2: De La Hoya

Round 3-

2:47: Mayweather near the ropes, lands a "pull-counter" over De La Hoya's jab, De La Hoya walks through it and throws some left hooks to the body. Tough to tell from the angle if it lands, but it appears a couple land under Mayweather's elbow, and a third lands on the beltline.
2:35: De La Hoya lands a straight left to the face as Mayweather gets off the ropes. Mayweather continues to retreat and De La Hoya attacks, but nothing legal lands (right to the back, low blow with a left). Mayweather lands a short right uppercut on the inside.
2:21: De La Hoya attacks Mayweather on the ropes, but nothing except a right hand to the back lands. Mayweather lands a short right hand to the body in return.
2:13: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:52: Mayweather lands a short left hook to the face
1:18: Mayweather lands a left jab to the body
0:55: Mayweather lands an overhand right to the head
0:44: Mayweather lands another overhand right to the head
0:25: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
Right before bell: Mayweather lands a leaping left hook to the head

Round 3: Mayweather

Round 4-

2:52: De La Hoya lands a left jab to the head
2:44: De La Hoya lands a left hook to the head of a retreating Mayweather. De La Hoya tries to follow up but Mayweather slips and blocks the shots while getting off the ropes.
2:26: Mayweather lands a leaping left hook to the head
2:18: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
2:06: De La Hoya throws a combo, tough to tell from the angle if they're landing, but the final left short hook lands. Mayweather smiles and lands a left jab to the face
1:08: De La Hoya presses Mayweather to the corner, Mayweather holds De La Hoya's right hand, De La Hoya lands about eight left hooks to the body and beltline with his free hand. Lampley forgets that De La Hoya has always been a good bodypuncher and acts like it's something new for him to go to the body.
0:58: De La Hoya lands a left jab to Mayweather on the ropes, Mayweather slips the follow up right hand and blocks the left hook and avoids another right. Mayweather throws a right hand but his head is in the way so we can't see if it misses or lands. Mayweather throws a left-right, but it doesn't appear to get through De La Hoya's guard.

Round 4: De La Hoya

Round 5-

2:45: De La Hoya lands two low blow/borderline lefts, misses a left uppercut, Mayweather misses a right hook and throws a left hook (hard to tell if it lands or not), misses a right hand, left jab to the body lands, right hand to De La Hoya's head lands.
1:39: Mayweather lands a short right hand to the body and a short left hook to the body, right hand to the body hits De La Hoya in the back
1:28: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, but lands a straight right to De La Hoya's head
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0:48: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya misses a jab, lands a right hand to the back, short left hook to the beltline, grazing left hook to Mayweather's head, Mayweather bends to the side to avoid De La Hoya's follow up, but one right hand by De La Hoya lands nicely.
0:38: Mayweather tries to sneak a right hand around De La Hoya's guard, if it lands it's only grazing, left hook lands to De La Hoya's face, straight right hand goes between De La Hoya's gloves and catches him in the face

Round 5: Mayweather

Round 6-

2:10: Maywather in the corner as De La Hoya flurries. Left, right, left, left all land around the beltline. Mayweather slips the left uppercut, right hand, left hook, and the right hand hits Mayweather in the back of his neck.
2:02: Maywether right hand lands around the top of De La Hoya's head
1:35: De La Hoya lands a left jab to the face
1:05: Mayweather bends down to his side to avoid a De La Hoya jab, then takes a solid right hand to the face from De La Hoya. Mayweather smiles and misses two shots in return.
0:54: Mayweather misses straight right hand, then lands his left hook as De La Hoya is pulling his head back
0:48: De La Hoya lands a left jab that snaps Mayweather's head back

Round 6: De La Hoya

[Thread Stealer]

Round 7-

2:34: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya lands a left hook to the body, left hook to the head is blocked, straight right looks like it sneaks through Mayweather's guard and hits him in the face. De La Hoya misses a right hand, misses two left hooks, lands a right hand to Mayweather's face.
2:24: De La Hoya throws 4 straight jabs to the body, 3 of them landing around the chest of Mayweather and pushes him back into the ropes. Mayweather avoids the flurry from De La Hoya while in the corner.
1:33: De La Hoya lands left solid jab to the face that snaps Mayweather's head back.
1:29: De La Hoya lands jab to the face, not quite as solid as the previous one as Mayweather was beginning to move his head back before it landed
1:12: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, follow up straight right catches De La Hoya high on the head, but not flush. Mayweather throws two overhand rights while up close, the first misses but the second lands on De La Hoya's head.
0:54: De La Hoya misses a wild right hand, Mayweather counters with a low/borderline (?) blow with his right hand. Kenny Bayless warns Mayweather. Mayweather lands a left hook to the right side of De La Hoya's body where the black protector is, and misses a left hook upstairs.

Round 7: De La Hoya


Round 8-

2:32: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
2:11: De La Hoya lands a jab to Mayweather's face as Mayweather goes to the ropes. De La Hoya misses a right hand and Mayweather counters with a right hand to the face. De La Hoya lands a right to Mayweather's back, a short right to the ribs, misses with the right upstairs, Mayweather a grazing left and grazing short right to De La Hoya's head.
1:44: De La Hoya lands a clean jab as Mayweather misses with the right, Mayweather responds with a right hand to De La Hoya's head.
1:34: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, follow up straight right hand lands on De La Hoya's face, Mayweather backs up and lands a left jab to De La Hoya's face.

Round 8: Mayweather

Round 9-

2:30- De La Hoya lands a jab to the face as Mayweather throws his own jab. It appears that Mayweather's jab also lands, but De La Hoya's is more authoritive.
2:15- Mayweather lands a jab to the body (borderline low, but Oscar's protector is high) and a looping right hand to De La Hoya's ear over a low left hand.
2:00- De La Hoya throws a double jab, to the body and head. Body jab appears to miss but jab to the head lands.
1:52- Mayweather misses a left uppercut and misses straight right, follow up straight right to the head lands, left hook to the head lands, right hook misses, left to the body appears blocked and straight right hand misses.
1:37- De La Hoya lands jab to the head.
1:18- De La Hoya lands jab to the head
1:10- De La Hoya gets Mayweather to the ropes and the crowd goes nuts as Oscar flurries, but none of the flurry lands.
0:53- Mayweather lands a grazing looping right hand around De La Hoya's guard
0:49- Mayweather lands jab to body and a right to the body (glove hits beltline and skin)
0:45- Mayweather lands right hand to the side of De La Hoya's head
0:25- Mayweather darts in with a straight right and lands a grazing shot to De La Hoya's head.


De La Hoya's jabs aren't enough to take the round. Making it 10-10 is rather generous to De La Hoya.

Round 9: Mayweather

Round 10-

2:30: Mayweather retreating to the ropes, De La Hoya misses a right hand, misses two left hooks, short right hand lands on Mayweather's face.
2:20: Mayweather throws a double jab to De La Hoya's face, the first comes up short but the second jab lands. Mayweather waits a couple seconds and lands another jab to De La Hoya's face.
1:54: Mayweather lands a left jab to De La Hoya's face
1:00: Mayweather lands a short right uppercut to the face on the inside.
0:26: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face.
Right before bell: Mayweather lands a counter right to the face after De La Hoya misses a right hand

Round 10: Mayweather

Round 11-

2:45: Mayweather lands a left hook to the body on the inside that appears to have De La Hoya momentarily doubled over, but on second look it might just be a balance thing as De La Hoya was moving his right foot at the time of impact.
2:31: Mayweather throws a left jab to the body, then lands a right hand to the head
2:24: Mayweather lands right hand potshot, second right hand is blocked, third right hand goes around De La Hoya's glove and appears to just graze his head, Mayweather lands a left jab to the body and another right hand to De La Hoya's head
2:02: Mayweather again uses the left jab to the body, right hand to the head combo, this time the right hand is only grazing.
1:45: Mayweather uses the left jab to the body, right hand to the head combination twice and they work both times.
1:00: Mayweather lands two pecking jabs to De La Hoya's face.
0:10: De La Hoya lands solid right hand to Mayweather's face on the ropes.

Round 11: Mayweather


Round 12-

2:38: Mayweather misses a left hook upstairs, throws left hook downstairs (unable to tell from the angle if it lands), misses right hand to the head.
2:25: Mayweather misses right hand to the head, left hand does not land, right hand to the shoulder, left jab lands to the De La Hoya's face. Mayweather lands a short straight right hand as they fall into a clinch
1:51: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:46: De La Hoya throws a shoe-shine combo to Mayweather's body. Right to the back, left to the belt line, right to the ribs, left to the ribs, right to the back. After they have some distance, Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:23: Mayweather throws two jabs to the face, first one lands, second misses.
1:16: Mayweather lands a left jab to the body (low blow), right hand to the head lands. Mayweather backs up and throws two jabs, first misses, second one lands (barely).
0:54: Mayweather lands left jab to the face
0:45: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya misses a right hand, none of his follow-up flurry visibly lands, maybe a body shot or two on the shoeshine but Kenny Bayless is in the way.
0:10: Mayweather and De La Hoya trade, only punch of note that lands is a right hand for De La Hoya.

Round 12: Mayweather

Rounds 1, 3, 5, 8-12: Mayweather
Rounds 2, 4, 6-7: De La Hoya
Mayweather 116-112


No where near 200 punches landed for Floyd or 120 for Oscar.

If you want to tell me where I missed the punches so Floyd really did land 200+ and Oscar landing 120+, let me know.

[Alo2006]

I scored it as a draw

[H .]

Round 7-

2:34: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya lands a left hook to the body, left hook to the head is blocked, straight right looks like it sneaks through Mayweather's guard and hits him in the face. De La Hoya misses a right hand, misses two left hooks, lands a right hand to Mayweather's face.
2:24: De La Hoya throws 4 straight jabs to the body, 3 of them landing around the chest of Mayweather and pushes him back into the ropes. Mayweather avoids the flurry from De La Hoya while in the corner.
1:33: De La Hoya lands left solid jab to the face that snaps Mayweather's head back.
1:29: De La Hoya lands jab to the face, not quite as solid as the previous one as Mayweather was beginning to move his head back before it landed
1:12: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, follow up straight right catches De La Hoya high on the head, but not flush. Mayweather throws two overhand rights while up close, the first misses but the second lands on De La Hoya's head.
0:54: De La Hoya misses a wild right hand, Mayweather counters with a low/borderline (?) blow with his right hand. Kenny Bayless warns Mayweather. Mayweather lands a left hook to the right side of De La Hoya's body where the black protector is, and misses a left hook upstairs.

Round 7: De La Hoya


Round 8-

2:32: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
2:11: De La Hoya lands a jab to Mayweather's face as Mayweather goes to the ropes. De La Hoya misses a right hand and Mayweather counters with a right hand to the face. De La Hoya lands a right to Mayweather's back, a short right to the ribs, misses with the right upstairs, Mayweather a grazing left and grazing short right to De La Hoya's head.
1:44: De La Hoya lands a clean jab as Mayweather misses with the right, Mayweather responds with a right hand to De La Hoya's head.
1:34: Mayweather misses a left uppercut, follow up straight right hand lands on De La Hoya's face, Mayweather backs up and lands a left jab to De La Hoya's face.

Round 8: Mayweather

Round 9-

2:30- De La Hoya lands a jab to the face as Mayweather throws his own jab. It appears that Mayweather's jab also lands, but De La Hoya's is more authoritive.
2:15- Mayweather lands a jab to the body (borderline low, but Oscar's protector is high) and a looping right hand to De La Hoya's ear over a low left hand.
2:00- De La Hoya throws a double jab, to the body and head. Body jab appears to miss but jab to the head lands.
1:52- Mayweather misses a left uppercut and misses straight right, follow up straight right to the head lands, left hook to the head lands, right hook misses, left to the body appears blocked and straight right hand misses.
1:37- De La Hoya lands jab to the head.
1:18- De La Hoya lands jab to the head
1:10- De La Hoya gets Mayweather to the ropes and the crowd goes nuts as Oscar flurries, but none of the flurry lands.
0:53- Mayweather lands a grazing looping right hand around De La Hoya's guard
0:49- Mayweather lands jab to body and a right to the body (glove hits beltline and skin)
0:45- Mayweather lands right hand to the side of De La Hoya's head
0:25- Mayweather darts in with a straight right and lands a grazing shot to De La Hoya's head.


De La Hoya's jabs aren't enough to take the round. Making it 10-10 is rather generous to De La Hoya.

Round 9: Mayweather

Round 10-

2:30: Mayweather retreating to the ropes, De La Hoya misses a right hand, misses two left hooks, short right hand lands on Mayweather's face.
2:20: Mayweather throws a double jab to De La Hoya's face, the first comes up short but the second jab lands. Mayweather waits a couple seconds and lands another jab to De La Hoya's face.
1:54: Mayweather lands a left jab to De La Hoya's face
1:00: Mayweather lands a short right uppercut to the face on the inside.
0:26: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face.
Right before bell: Mayweather lands a counter right to the face after De La Hoya misses a right hand

Round 10: Mayweather

Round 11-

2:45: Mayweather lands a left hook to the body on the inside that appears to have De La Hoya momentarily doubled over, but on second look it might just be a balance thing as De La Hoya was moving his right foot at the time of impact.
2:31: Mayweather throws a left jab to the body, then lands a right hand to the head
2:24: Mayweather lands right hand potshot, second right hand is blocked, third right hand goes around De La Hoya's glove and appears to just graze his head, Mayweather lands a left jab to the body and another right hand to De La Hoya's head
2:02: Mayweather again uses the left jab to the body, right hand to the head combo, this time the right hand is only grazing.
1:45: Mayweather uses the left jab to the body, right hand to the head combination twice and they work both times.
1:00: Mayweather lands two pecking jabs to De La Hoya's face.
0:10: De La Hoya lands solid right hand to Mayweather's face on the ropes.

Round 11: Mayweather


Round 12-

2:38: Mayweather misses a left hook upstairs, throws left hook downstairs (unable to tell from the angle if it lands), misses right hand to the head.
2:25: Mayweather misses right hand to the head, left hand does not land, right hand to the shoulder, left jab lands to the De La Hoya's face. Mayweather lands a short straight right hand as they fall into a clinch
1:51: Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:46: De La Hoya throws a shoe-shine combo to Mayweather's body. Right to the back, left to the belt line, right to the ribs, left to the ribs, right to the back. After they have some distance, Mayweather lands a left jab to the face
1:23: Mayweather throws two jabs to the face, first one lands, second misses.
1:16: Mayweather lands a left jab to the body (low blow), right hand to the head lands. Mayweather backs up and throws two jabs, first misses, second one lands (barely).
0:54: Mayweather lands left jab to the face
0:45: Mayweather on the ropes, De La Hoya misses a right hand, none of his follow-up flurry visibly lands, maybe a body shot or two on the shoeshine but Kenny Bayless is in the way.
0:10: Mayweather and De La Hoya trade, only punch of note that lands is a right hand for De La Hoya.

Round 12: Mayweather

Rounds 1, 3, 5, 8-12: Mayweather
Rounds 2, 4, 6-7: De La Hoya
Mayweather 116-112


No where near 200 punches landed for Floyd or 120 for Oscar.

If you want to tell me where I missed the punches so Floyd really did land 200+ and Oscar landing 120+, let me know.

Oh, so you're an expert. That's comedy. Good job taking the time to type up that crap, worthless. Your false logic is nothing more than bullshit. We can all see that. :deal

[Thread Stealer]

Oh, so you're an expert. That's comedy. Good job taking the time to type up that crap, worthless. Your false logic is nothing more than bullshit. We can all see that. :deal

It's more logic than using Compubox.

Compubox= entertaining tool which proves little.

Now, tell me how Trinidad really landed 166 punches on De La Hoya. Tell me how De La Hoya landed 263 on Trinidad.

Tell me about these other shots Floyd landed on Oscar that makes the 200+ punches an accurate sum.

[RAMPAGE0017]

My judgement of the fight..

Round 1 - Mayweather, I thought Mayweather came out relatively aggressive, landing nice, clean shots from long range.

Round 2 - Mayweather

Round 3 - Mayweather, Castillo was catching him with some clean shots towards the end of the round, but Mayweather was actively landing more throughout the bulk of the round.

Round 4 - Castillo, he was starting to figure Floyd out at this point, blocking most of his pot-shots. He's started to pursue Floyd often, while catching him with good shots.

Round 5 - Castillo, pretty close round, but Castillo edged him in power shots, and overall just way more active, with Floyd pretty much just picking off one shot at a time, a lot of which weren't landing.

Round 6 - Castillo, big round for Castillo, he was constantly backing Floyd up against the ropes, landing nice shots, and Castillo was throwing more body shots in this round.

Round 7 - Castillo, again, just too aggressive, with too many big shots landing, even when they were in the center of the ring ( which Lampley kept insisting was Mayweathers territory ) Floyd wasn't throwing much.

Round 8 - Even, I had Castillo winning this one slightly, but the point deduction evens it up.

Round 9 - Floyd, he looked pretty sharp for this round, and was avoiding Castillo's shots pretty well.

Round 10 - even, Floyd was still eluding Castillo's shots pretty well, but the point deduction evened this one up as well.

Round 11 - Castillo

Round 12 - Castillo


I think Castillo's trainer did a good job telling him to go more to the body with Floyd, that's where Castillo was out-scoring him a lot. He was also blocking Floyd's pot-shots effectively, as well. So, in conclusion...

6-4-2 for Castillo.

[RAMPAGE0017]

90% of the punches Castillo landed were to the body. 90% of the punches Floyd landed were to the head. It's much harder to hit the head, that's why Floyd rightfully won the fight. You can't go to the body the whole 12 rounds and expect to get a decision.



You can't? Well in that respect, Floyd has more than one gift W on his record then, doesn't he?

[RAMPAGE0017]

Like?


Like.................










.... De La Hoya, maybe? Or how about the Mayweather-Castillo rematch?

[RAMPAGE0017]

So you think DLH and Castillo in the rematch outlanded Floyd to the head?


Head shots or body shots make no difference, point being.. Castillo outlanded Mayweather.

It's nonsense to say that.. " You can't go to the body the whole 12 rounds and expect to get a decision "

90% of the punches Castillo landed were to the body. 90% of the punches Floyd landed were to the head. It's much harder to hit the head, that's why Floyd rightfully won the fight. You can't go to the body the whole 12 rounds and expect to get a decision

If what you said was even true ( which it isn't ), are you actually suggesting that punches to the face are, for whatever reason, more " meaningful " than punches to the body? If that was the case, then punches to the body shouldn't even be allowed in the sport if you can't rack up points doing so.

[Bazooka]

Head shots or body shots make no difference, point being.. Castillo outlanded Mayweather.

It's nonsense to say that.. " You can't go to the body the whole 12 rounds and expect to get a decision "



If what you said was even true ( which it isn't ), are you actually suggesting that punches to the face are, for whatever reason, more " meaningful " than punches to the body? If that was the case, then punches to the body shouldn't even be allowed in the sport if you can't rack up points doing so.

Exactly!

[RAMPAGE0017]

Body shots do count, but that's basically all Castillo did. Floyd outlanded Castillo by a ridiculous margin to the head. And if you had read my previous posts then you'd see how landing to head is harder than landing to the body, therefore head shots should be given more credit. Plus body shots are meant to slow your oppenent down in the later rounds when hopefully those body shots earlier slowed the opponent to where it would be easier to hit the head. Castillo focused on the body the whole night. If you go into a fight thinking "I'm a win this fight by decision by landing more shots to the body" then your gonna have a problem if the other land slightly less than you, but his shots were to the head.


Fact of the matter is.. Head shots AND body shots = points. The body or head is hard to hit depending on the fighter.

And as I've said, what you're saying isn't even true, neither Floyd OR Castillo were exclusive to hitting JUST the head or body. You mean to actually tell me Floyd wasn't pot-shotting Castillo, or Castillo wasn't hitting Mayweather in the head at all?

[TIGEREDGE]

That isn't going to do a lick of good, unfortunately. Mayweather nut-huggers are inevitably going to say " compubox numbers don't mean shit ", ofcourse they'll only be saying this to benefit their own arguement.. yet under any other circumstances ( such as the DLH/Mayweather fight ) I'm sure that they'll jump at the opportunity to point out such statistics, which I've actually seen them do a number of times.

Don't get me wrong, it was reasonably close, but not so close that Castillo shouldn't have taken it, IMO. And just because Floyd won the rematch convincingly, that doesn't erase the fact that Castillo should've won the first fight. He was landing more frenquently than Mayweather, his blows were landing just as cleanly as Mayweather's were, and he was more active from the mid-rounds and onward. People can say Floyd had broken ribs, the flu, cancer, typhus, whatever they want, but he still should've lost.

COMPUBOX FIGURES MATTERED IN THE DE LA HOYA FIGHT DIDN'T THEY MAYWEATHER COCKSUCKERS?

[RAMPAGE0017]

please be smart


I'd suggest you do the same thing and take the time out to realize what you're saying here. :lol:

[H .]

No Castillo didn't hit Floyd to head the at all... duh, people and extremes. Obviously Castillo hit Floyd to the head, but he was outlanded significantly to the head. Castillo was all body the whole fight. And please be smart and realize just cuz I said he went to the body all night, doesn't mean I think he didn't land a head shot at all.

Careful what you say newbie, facts mean everything here.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Oh, you mean you want me to trash your quote in full? Alrighty..


No Castillo didn't hit Floyd to head the at all... duh, people and extremes. Obviously Castillo hit Floyd to the head, but he was outlanded significantly to the head. Castillo was all body the whole fight. And please be smart and realize just cuz I said he went to the body all night, doesn't mean I think he didn't land a head shot at all.


Your theory of head shots meaning more than body shots is absolutely moronic, especially considering the wins that Floyd has taken by merely pot-shotting 85% of the time.

And as long as we're going to get philisophical on the subject, I can make the arguement that Floyd wasn't challenging the champion enough to take his title. I mean, after all.. everyone always says how you have to convincingly defeat a champion in order to take his title, right? Larry Merchant even commented how Castillo was " a champion fighting like a challenger " ( which I agree with ), but I'll have to say the exact opposite about Floyd. He was high-tailing it like HIS title was on the line, as if Castillo had to take the fight from HIM.

See? I can split hairs just as well as you can. :lol:

[Archie_Moore]

Castillio won the first fight pretty clearly in my view. Give Floyd credit for winning the rematch no matter how unexciting it might have been. :good

Doesn't change the fact that Castillio should have the victory on his record.

[Pimp C]

I scored the fight 7-5 PBF. Very close fight could have gone either way and I can see how some people had Castillo wining. BTW Castillo said in and interview that he wants to get revenge against PBF once he gets past Hatton.

[RAMPAGE0017]

But did those guys ever outland Floyd to the head? NO.

And you responding to me without reading my whole post shows you're, ummm, ummm... well I know it's something bad.


No, they didn't, but Castillo DID outland Mayweather. Whether Castillo outlanded him to the body or the head, he fucking OUT-LANDED him.



Try going to a Miguel Cotto thread and saying something as stupid as " head punches mean more than body punches ". :rofl

[Clarkson]

Castillo should have had the verdict, it wasn't in any way one sided but Castillo certainly done enough to win the fight.

[nastynas]

Floyd clear as day won 5 out of the first 6, so anyone that has Castillo winning must think he won rounds 7-12...which is ridiculous.

[teeto]

I had it a draw

[CYoungblood95]

Either man by two points would have been a fair outcome. Close fight. In terms of scoring, I preferred the work of Floyd because it was cleaner, but Castillo fought a great fight to negate Floyd's adavantages.

[Gander Tasco]

Floyd didnt do anything in that fight. Castillo pressed the fight the entire time and landed the better blows.

[thawk888]

Floyd won the first fight injured, and won the rematch convincingly.:deal

[IsaL]

Anyone who says that they can't see how Castillo won or could have won is either retarded or a plain nuthugger... Pick one.

[gatorbama]

I've scored that fight on 3 different occasions and trying to give Floyd the victory as well a trying to give Castillo the victory on another occasion. All three times I scored it a draw. If I watch it casually I give it to Castillo. All that matters tho, is Floyd got the victory and solidified it immediately so what I think doesn't.

[Bald_Toad]

three judges scored it for mayweather

[Bald_Toad]

Anyone who says that they can't see how Castillo won or could have won is either retarded or a plain nuthugger... Pick one.

you have a mexican flag avatar your judging of this fight means shit

[IsaL]

you have a mexican flag avatar your judging of this fight means shit

:patsch

You're a retard..You're failure at life is excused.

[thawk888]

:patsch

You're failure at life is excused.

"Your" :good

[IsaL]

"Your" :good

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[canucks9314]

''NOT THE FIGHT WE SAW'' commentator.
final PUNCH compubox stats
CASTILLO LANDED 203 THROWN 506 PCT. 40%
FLOYD LANDED 157 THROWN 448 PCT. 35%

TOTAL POWER PUNCHES
CASTILLO LANDED 173 THROWN 377 PCT. 46%
FLOYD LANDED 66 THROWN 161 PCT. 44%

STATS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES..
Castillo got robbed in clear daylight....
What about the stats for body vs face shots?

[Bravado]

Floyd clear as day won 5 out of the first 6, so anyone that has Castillo winning must think he won rounds 7-12...which is ridiculous.



I say the same thing all the time.

[IRONFIST178]

''NOT THE FIGHT WE SAW'' commentator.
final PUNCH compubox stats
CASTILLO LANDED 203 THROWN 506 PCT. 40%
FLOYD LANDED 157 THROWN 448 PCT. 35%

TOTAL POWER PUNCHES
CASTILLO LANDED 173 THROWN 377 PCT. 46%
FLOYD LANDED 66 THROWN 161 PCT. 44%

STATS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES..
Castillo got robbed in clear daylight....

Compubox has been consistently wrong over the years........

[ripcity]

I had Mayweather winning clearly.

[jan_fan]

three judges scored it for mayweather
uhmm....So when did the judges scorecards matter to you now?

[Spman20999]

I had Castillo by two...

It wasn't really a straight robbery, it was a questionable decision. Floyd got lucky, but it really wasn't as bad as some people have implied.

Lots of great fighters have had questionable decisions go their way...

[boxon123]

If you do not think the fix was in for the first fight,Explain why Jr won this on the judges scorecards easier than the second fight!