Please Stop It! There is No Blue Print.

[BewareofDawg]

Does it bother anybody else when you read that Castillo layed out the "blue print" or Oscar layed out the "blue print" to beat Floyd. I am not flaming or trying to insult anyone that has posted this, just adding my opinion. Floyd won both of those fights. Also, this isn't construction or architecture....it's boxing. Floyd has changed and gotten better. He's grown up and progressed his game. Nobody will ever fight the same Floyd that Castillo fought or even the same Floyd that Hoya fought. Whatever Miguel Cotto learned from watching Floyd/Castillo I, Floyd learned 100x's that by actually participating in the fight. Do I think Floyd is unbeatable? Absolutely not. But there is NO current blue print to beat him.

[whit]

yea exactly wtf is all this talk about puzzel to beat him or blue print etc. if floyd does something wrong against oscar he'll go back and work on it in training and the next person wont be able to do it again. so no there aint no blue print.

i also believe floyd is beatable but not by any1 in this era. but then again styles make fights and fights can end with one punch!!


That's a point I tryt to make. He is beatable but I don't think the current era of fighters can do it.

[David_TheMan]

Well seeing that Castillo lost the first fight (very close), but then got clearly outclassed the second fight and that Oscar was dominated in their fight, I don't see any blueprint.

I think the best I've seen anyone do against Floyd (at WW) was Zab for the first 4 rounds in their fight.

[tliang1000]

Yea there is a blue print. Someone who can hit him hard enough to Kayo him with one shot! Floyd is one of the best boxers that ever stepped in the ring. Great offense and defense. I can only see him losing to someone much bigger with boxing smarts.

[BewareofDawg]

yea exactly wtf is all this talk about puzzel to beat him or blue print etc. if floyd does something wrong against oscar he'll go back and work on it in training and the next person wont be able to do it again. so no there aint no blue print.

i also believe floyd is beatable but not by any1 in this era. but then again styles make fights and fights can end with one punch!!

That's a point I tryt to make. He is beatable but I don't think the current era of fighters can do it.
Hoya can do it.
Mosley can do it.
Cotto can do it.
Wright can do it.

[David_TheMan]

Hoya can't do it, Mosley might but he ducked him when he had the chance, Cotto is still green, Wright can't make the weight.

[BewareofDawg]

Hoya can't do it, Mosley might but he ducked him when he had the chance, Cotto is still green, Wright can't make the weight.
Hoya can do it. Wright can make 154lbs

[David_TheMan]

Hoya can do it. Wright can make 154lbs

If he could do it why did he get no where close to beating him when they fought. I had Oscar winning at most 4 rounds the last fight, not to mention he almost got KD from a Floyd bodyshot.

[lucasehr]

Yea there is a blue print. Someone who can hit him hard enough to Kayo him with one shot!

He's fought a few of those.

[fitzgeraldz]

Only fighter that can beat Floyd right now is Kelly Pavlik and he's too big of a fighter.

No one under or at 154 can beat Floyd ...

There's no blue print to a guy with 39-0 25KO's ... if the pressures on Floyd will move and counter. Thats an easy fight for Floyd ...

A blueprint can't be set against a guy who's never came close to losing a fight.

He's not RJJ who will be up against the ropes and just lean back with his hands up ... Floyd will twist - dip - and pivot out of the situation.

If anything he can always rely on his speed and agility.

[Beeston Brawler]

There was a blueprint to a guy 43-0 with 31 KO's lol!

I think there is a jigsaw, rather than a blueprint, to beating Mayweather. Most fighters have put together certain parts for a small period, whereas you have to put it all together for 12 to win the fight - at this stage nobody has done that!

[David_TheMan]

Only fighter that can beat Floyd right now is Kelly Pavlik and he's too big of a fighter.

No one under or at 154 can beat Floyd ...

There's no blue print to a guy with 39-0 25KO's ... if the pressures on Floyd will move and counter. Thats an easy fight for Floyd ...

A blueprint can't be set against a guy who's never came close to losing a fight.

He's not RJJ who will be up against the ropes and just lean back with his hands up ... Floyd will twist - dip - and pivot out of the situation.

If anything he can always rely on his speed and agility.

Corey Spinxs can beat Mayweather. They won't fight for some reason though. Hell I think Corey has accomplished more than Floyd, he was WW champ, 154 champ, and should be the 160 champ because he put a boxing clinc on Taylor.

[whit]

Hoya can do it.
Mosley can do it.
Cotto can do it.
Wright can do it.

The hoya fight was not as close as people claim and the only reason why people question is beacuse that judge clearly was watching another fight.

As far as Cotto thats my opinion and I don't think he can.

Mosley prime for prime sure he had a great chance to do it.

Wright is alot bigger than Floyd but still I doubt he can even do it.

[tliang1000]

Oscar could never do it. Most boxers can't handle the movement that Floyd possesses. Oscar have never been able to cut the ring off efficently against movers. Mosely does not adapt will and he wins fights because of his physical strength. He can't match Floyd in boxing IQ. Closest person I think can take Floyd is AM because he can take everything Floyd can dish out and hits hard enough to hurt Floyd with one shot. 70-30 chance that Floyd will beat AM to a UD. Paul williams couldn't handle Quantana's movement so he won't be able to deal with Floyd either. Cotto and Winky is too slow too. Cotto will get outboxed or late stoppage. Cotto's chin is not impressive and is very hittable. Hell Floyd prolly can even take Jermain Taylor for Taylor can't even outbox spinks.

[Oscar de la Roa]

the only fighter i can think can beat floyd is srl

[tliang1000]

the only fighter i can think can beat floyd is srl

What? Try Sugar Ray Robinson. Floyd is a improve version of SRL. Floyd would have not loss to Duran. He will pot shotted to a UD in their first encounter. SRL is awesome Offensively but have suffer some bad beats against people that he should never get beaten. THat is a weakness all by itself.

[zarathustra84]

What? Try Sugar Ray Robinson. Floyd is a improve version of SRL. Floyd would have not loss to Duran. He will pot shotted to a UD in their first encounter. SRL is awesome Offensively but have suffer some bad beats against people that he should never get beaten. THat is a weakness all by itself.

When compared to Floyd, SRL's biggest weakness actually seems to be his willingness to take more hard fights which although he might be favoured, still are not sure wins.

[platnumpapi]

There was a blueprint to a guy 43-0 with 31 KO's lol!

I think there is a jigsaw, rather than a blueprint, to beating Mayweather. Most fighters have put together certain parts for a small period, whereas you have to put it all together for 12 to win the fight - at this stage nobody has done that!


check left hook is not a blue print, it dont take a rocket scientist to beat hatton.

[cdub1012]

i think DLH can do it if he sticks to his game plan an keeps poppin the jab... cotto gets ko'd by mayweather... he will jus take to many shots in my opinon.. an he has been getting cut alot lately... mosely imo can beat him but i dunno if he will i can see floyd countering SSM when he bombs away with the right hand an wright would get KO'd an proally bitch that he won an that everyone is ducking him lol

[tliang1000]

Ray robinson was a middel weight wasnt he? then were back to the pavlik theory. way too big for floyd anyway

Yea I said Robinson knowing that he was a distinct size advantage with an iron chin and big punch which is imo the only to beat Floyd. All the fights that expert predicted to give FLoyd hell has not been the case. I remember Corrales was close to even money and got taken to school badly. After that performance the odds was never close again. Floyd made it too easy and the people that he beats get send str8 to bum list.

[superchile]

as far as a blue print i dont think so he lost hes first figth whit castillo imo i jus think to beat maywhether you got to be stronger than him , willing to take his shots to deliver your own, his defense is great so you got to punch when his punching and have a lot of stamina

[David_TheMan]

Vernon Forrest would break his fist up in Floyd's ass and then beat the shit out of him.

I really want to see a Spinx - Mayweather fight. I hate that I probably never will.

[tliang1000]

Forrest in prime have good chance. That guy hits like a mule and tall. He have good chance. Spinks? LOL! water down version of Mayweather.

[GrizzleX]

Floyd is great, no doubt. Incredibly talented. But he's not superhuman. He's not been badly hurt, but he's taken flush shots before. Thing is he's smart enough to see how he got hit and adjust so it doesn't happen again. If a fighter ever arises that has the skills of Judah, but is actually smart and disciplined, then that fighter could beat Floyd.

[saul_ir34]

Thats true but everyone does have weakness and Castillo and DLH exposed them. If you ask me PBF has not shown he has progressed.
The Castillo fight showed that a body attack is effective against PBF due to his defensive style which makes his head almost impossible to hit.
DLH showed a jab makes PBF think twice about leading.

ITs not a blue print but its little things that when if all done correctly will give you a better chance at beating him.

[David_TheMan]

Thats true but everyone does have weakness and Castillo and DLH exposed them. If you ask me PBF has not shown he has progressed.
The Castillo fight showed that a body attack is effective against PBF due to his defensive style which makes his head almost impossible to hit.
DLH showed a jab makes PBF think twice about leading.

ITs not a blue print but its little things that when if all done correctly will give you a better chance at beating him.

What fight did you see. I saw DLH throwing a jab and getting hit 3 times before he brought his hand back, which is way he stopped throwing it.

[Illmatic]

Corey Spinxs can beat Mayweather. They won't fight for some reason though. Hell I think Corey has accomplished more than Floyd, he was WW champ, 154 champ, and should be the 160 champ because he put a boxing clinc on Taylor.

:lol::rofl anyway...

What cracks me up is when ppl say "oscar shouldve kept jabbing!"

dammit people, theres a REASOn why DLH stopped jabbing, it left him open to quick and accurate counters, and DLH was almost dropped in the 5th rnd b/c of it

[David_TheMan]

:lol::rofl anyway...

What cracks me up is when ppl say "oscar shouldve kept jabbing!"

dammit people, theres a REASOn why DLH stopped jabbing, it left him open to quick and accurate counters, and DLH was almost dropped in the 5th rnd b/c of it

Don't hate on the man, he is a midget fighting in the land of giants.

[tliang1000]

:lol::rofl anyway...

What cracks me up is when ppl say "oscar shouldve kept jabbing!"

dammit people, theres a REASOn why DLH stopped jabbing, it left him open to quick and accurate counters, and DLH was almost dropped in the 5th rnd b/c of it

I agree. I have all Floyd Mayweather's fights and he punishes jabbers with his str8 right. He does it to every fight. Against lead rights he loops over his opponents hands and counters with a hook and against jabs. He sways and counters with str8 rights.

[elgrancampeon]

You guys are making mayweather to be some type of god. As soon as he suffers his first loss you are going to find faults in him. You guys seem to forget castillo beat him already and he barely made it by an old Oscar. Not to mention his most recent win is over a short jr welter with a good chin at jr welter but shaky at welterweight.

[tliang1000]

You guys are making mayweather to be some type of god. As soon as he suffers his first loss you are going to find faults in him. You guys seem to forget castillo beat him already and he barely made it by an old Oscar. Not to mention his most recent win is over a short jr welter with a good chin at jr welter but shaky at welterweight.

Explain to me how. Castillo can lose the first 5 rounds. Have a point deduction and 2 either way rounds and still win? Just bc Castillo did better on the championship rounds does not mean he should have won. each round worth the same, in case you forgot.

[Sebastien]

A fighter with a good jab can do it. Thing is, Floyd is very good at making you believe that what you are doing isn't working. Most fighters do not realize that they're putting May in a position he doesn't like, so they change their plan. To beat Floyd you need a simple plan that will make him take risks, you got to out-bore him!

If Hoya had been as willing than Floyd to make it a boring fight he could've won this.

[tliang1000]

Big guy with iron chin, stamina, with a big big one punch power is the blue printer. I just don't see anyone outboxing Floyd from 154 and down.

[TroubleLurks]

:lol::rofl anyway...

What cracks me up is when ppl say "oscar shouldve kept jabbing!"

dammit people, theres a REASOn why DLH stopped jabbing, it left him open to quick and accurate counters, and DLH was almost dropped in the 5th rnd b/c of itThis is such a myth. Watch the fight again. Oscar stopped jabbing after the 8th round. Sure, he got countered on occasion, but certainly not enough to stop throwing it all together. Oscar may have been slowing down and stopped throwing it for fear of being countered, but up to that point, he was not being countered often off his jab.

[David_TheMan]

This is such a myth. Watch the fight again. Oscar stopped jabbing after the 8th round. Sure, he got countered on occasion, but certainly not enough to stop throwing it all together. Oscar may have been slowing down and stopped throwing it for fear of being countered, but up to that point, he was not being countered often off his jab.

yes he was, the jab was not working and he did not win those early rounds. He was not dominating or even looking good. Floyd was picking off the jabs, rolling them, and dodging them while countering.

[Sebastien]

His jab to the shoulder area was annoying May a lot.

Hoya's biggest mistake was to get impatient, to try to give the fans a good fight. That's a noble thing to do, but against Mayweather it is a mistake. Mayweather, like Bernard, focuses on winning fights, not pleasing crowds who don't appreciate skills anyway.

[TroubleLurks]

yes he was, the jab was not working and he did not win those early rounds. He was not dominating or even looking good. Floyd was picking off the jabs, rolling them, and dodging them while countering.No he wasn't and the jab was Oscar's best weapon. Like I said, Oscar was getting countered on occasion, but no where near enough to justify putting it in the holster. I don't know what you're talking about either, after the 8th, that fight was dead even, 4 rds a piece. Oscar stopped using his jab after the 8th and Floyd took over the fight from there on.

[Pimp C]

Oscar could never do it. Most boxers can't handle the movement that Floyd possesses. Oscar have never been able to cut the ring off efficently against movers. Mosely does not adapt will and he wins fights because of his physical strength. He can't match Floyd in boxing IQ. Closest person I think can take Floyd is AM because he can take everything Floyd can dish out and hits hard enough to hurt Floyd with one shot. 70-30 chance that Floyd will beat AM to a UD. Paul williams couldn't handle Quantana's movement so he won't be able to deal with Floyd either. Cotto and Winky is too slow too. Cotto will get outboxed or late stoppage. Cotto's chin is not impressive and is very hittable. Hell Floyd prolly can even take Jermain Taylor for Taylor can't even outbox spinks.
Good post except for this. Fraudarito wouldn't win a single round against PBF. That limited plodder doesn't have the footwork, handspeed or boxing IQ in order to beat someone like PBF. Not to mention he's counter-puncher's wet dream and has to set his feet to throw. PBF-Margo would be a boxing clinic administered by PBF.:deal

[BewareofDawg]

I honestly believe Gatti has more boxing skills then Margarito.

[Pimp C]

What fight did you see. I saw DLH throwing a jab and getting hit 3 times before he brought his hand back, which is way he stopped throwing it.
:deal

[David_TheMan]

No he wasn't and the jab was Oscar's best weapon. Like I said, Oscar was getting countered on occasion, but no where near enough to justify putting it in the holster. I don't know what you're talking about either, after the 8th, that fight was dead even, 4 rds a piece. Oscar stopped using his jab after the 8th and Floyd took over the fight from there on.

My card had Oscar winning the 1 and the 3 and that is it. When I was watching the fight the jab from Oscar was ineffective just like in that Sturm fight. The guy was getting picked apart and by the time the 8th rolled along he was scared, sore, and tired.

[BewareofDawg]

:deal
Really Pimp? There is absolutely no way that is true. Find me one moment in that fight where Oscar got hit with a 3 punch counter. Even a 3 punch combination. Youtube doesn't have this fight, or I would do a round by round thread. Post one round a day and thats all to be discussed in that thread for that day. Then after 12 days go back and really evaluate all the analysis. I guaruntee it would be universally agreed that NEITHER fighter was really landing that many clean punches or counters :deal

[Pimp C]

:lol::rofl anyway...

What cracks me up is when ppl say "oscar shouldve kept jabbing!"

dammit people, theres a REASOn why DLH stopped jabbing, it left him open to quick and accurate counters, and DLH was almost dropped in the 5th rnd b/c of it
:clap:
For the life of me I can't understand why people refuse to see this.:-( I've said the same thing many times but they just don't get it. For the last time Oscar stopped throwing his jab because he was being counterd off it and bothered by PBF's movement.:deal

[boxeo#1]

Does it bother anybody else when you read that Castillo layed out the "blue print" or Oscar layed out the "blue print" to beat Floyd. I am not flaming or trying to insult anyone that has posted this, just adding my opinion. Floyd won both of those fights. Also, this isn't construction or architecture....it's boxing. Floyd has changed and gotten better. He's grown up and progressed his game. Nobody will ever fight the same Floyd that Castillo fought or even the same Floyd that Hoya fought. Whatever Miguel Cotto learned from watching Floyd/Castillo I, Floyd learned 100x's that by actually participating in the fight. Do I think Floyd is unbeatable? Absolutely not. But there is NO current blue print to beat him.

I agree. But there is something in the middle as well. By that I mean that a certain fighter can show which tactic works good against a fighter and in that way can show their weakness.
So a blueprint kind of exists.
Take for example DLH on trinidad. Dlh showed that if you move well and boxed tito, tito can't set up his punches good.
So it kind of exists wether you like it or not.
However I agree that a fighter develops and changes his tactics/strategy. But not all fighters do, take tito as an example.

[Pimp C]

I honestly believe Gatti has more boxing skills then Margarito.
Gatti is light years more skilled than that windmill Margo.:D

[boxeo#1]

:clap:
For the life of me I can't understand why people refuse to see this.:-( I've said the same thing many times but they just don't get it. For the last time Oscar stopped throwing his jab because he was being counterd off it and bothered by PBF's movement.:deal

Hmm..never saw it that way..:good
But I did noticed when DLH occasionally threw his jab in the latter rounds it was(seemed?) effective:think Maybe those were jabs that floyd wasn't countering...:huh

[TroubleLurks]

My card had Oscar winning the 1 and the 3 and that is it. When I was watching the fight the jab from Oscar was ineffective just like in that Sturm fight. The guy was getting picked apart and by the time the 8th rolled along he was scared, sore, and tired.How can I debate with this? 2rds the whole fight? Oscar's jab was ineffective? You do know a jab can be effective without landing right? I guess we didn't watch the same fight.

[Pimp C]

Really Pimp? There is absolutely no way that is true. Find me one moment in that fight where Oscar got hit with a 3 punch counter. Even a 3 punch combination. Youtube doesn't have this fight, or I would do a round by round thread. Post one round a day and thats all to be discussed in that thread for that day. Then after 12 days go back and really evaluate all the analysis. I guaruntee it would be universally agreed that NEITHER fighter was really landing that many clean punches or counters :deal
He didn't hit him with a 3 shot counter but he did counter his ass when he threw it. Oscar was scared to let his hands go in the middle of the ring because he knew he would either be beaten to the punch or countered. He was really fustrated in the second half of the fight after his jab was taken away because he knew he had no gameplan other than try to bull PBF to the ropes and throw bullshit flurries to win the fight. In other words he was fucked his two best punches were taken away the jab and his left hook and he knew he would fade down the stretch on cue. He had no answer for PBF.:deal

[tliang1000]

How the hell was the fight even seen as a split D? I saw back and forth rounds also 4 a piece back and forth and the after round 8 it was all Floyd's. 116-112. That one judge was prolly paid handsomely to save face for Oscar and so his nut huggers will demand this rematch. It is really Oscar's fans' fault that the rematch is going to happen!

[TroubleLurks]

:clap:
For the life of me I can't understand why people refuse to see this.:-( I've said the same thing many times but they just don't get it. For the last time Oscar stopped throwing his jab because he was being counterd off it and bothered by PBF's movement.:dealSay the same thing as many times as you want...it doesn't make it true. I don't care how many people believe the myth and jump all over me. Oscar was not being countered all that often when he threw his jab. FACT. Oscar's jab was disrupting Floyds timing and it was clearly his best weapon. FACT. After 8 rds the fight was even, 4 rds a piece. FACT.

I love arguing with you Pimpster.:good

[boxeo#1]

He didn't hit him with a 3 shot counter but he did counter his ass when he threw it. Oscar was scared to let his hands go in the middle of the ring because he knew he would either be beaten to the punch or countered. He was really fustrated in the second half of the fight after his jab was taken away because he knew he had no gameplan other than try to bull PBF to the ropes and throw bullshit flurries to win the fight. In other words he was fucked his two best punches were taken away the jab and his left hook and he knew he would fade down the stretch on cue. He had no answer for PBF.:deal

Then if this is what you think, which I respect, then you must be REALLY pissed off about the second fight I guess. More then others because you really think oscar has no chance.
I kind of think the same so :good :patsch

[TroubleLurks]

How the hell was the fight even seen as a split D? I saw back and forth rounds also 4 a piece back and forth and the after round 8 it was all Floyd's. 116-112.:thumbsup See, nice to see somebody else knows how to score a fight.:thumbsup

[Rico Spadafora]

Does it bother anybody else when you read that Castillo layed out the "blue print" or Oscar layed out the "blue print" to beat Floyd. I am not flaming or trying to insult anyone that has posted this, just adding my opinion. Floyd won both of those fights. Also, this isn't construction or architecture....it's boxing. Floyd has changed and gotten better. He's grown up and progressed his game. Nobody will ever fight the same Floyd that Castillo fought or even the same Floyd that Hoya fought. Whatever Miguel Cotto learned from watching Floyd/Castillo I, Floyd learned 100x's that by actually participating in the fight. Do I think Floyd is unbeatable? Absolutely not. But there is NO current blue print to beat him.


I believe that Quick Tillis layed out the Blue Print to beat Tyson although Tillis lost he gave Mike problems with that jab etc. Douglas did lay the blue print for beating Tyson.

[Pimp C]

Say the same thing as many times as you want...it doesn't make it true. I don't care how many people believe the myth and jump all over me. Oscar was not being countered all that often when he threw his jab. FACT. Oscar's jab was disrupting Floyds timing and it was clearly his best weapon. FACT. After 8 rds the fight was even, 4 rds a piece. FACT.

I love arguing with you Pimpster.:good
Aaaaaahhhhhh the old days.:lol: :good

[Pimp C]

Then if this is what you think, which I respect, then you must be REALLY pissed off about the second fight I guess. More then others because you really think oscar has no chance.
I kind of think the same so :good :patsch
I'm really pissed about the 2nd fight really a shame it's about to happen. PBF-Cotto is the biggest fight in boxing.

[Chiko_Tech]

Does it bother anybody else when you read that Castillo layed out the "blue print" or Oscar layed out the "blue print" to beat Floyd. I am not flaming or trying to insult anyone that has posted this, just adding my opinion. Floyd won both of those fights. Also, this isn't construction or architecture....it's boxing. Floyd has changed and gotten better. He's grown up and progressed his game. Nobody will ever fight the same Floyd that Castillo fought or even the same Floyd that Hoya fought. Whatever Miguel Cotto learned from watching Floyd/Castillo I, Floyd learned 100x's that by actually participating in the fight. Do I think Floyd is unbeatable? Absolutely not. But there is NO current blue print to beat him.


Mayweather ko humanity
Mayweather split decision god

[tliang1000]

It mite be an even money fight if God have one punch kayo power and size advantage. otherwise UD for FLoyd. LOL

[tliang1000]

i was kidding btw. God will knock Floyd out.

[BewareofDawg]

I'm really pissed about the 2nd fight really a shame it's about to happen. PBF-Cotto is the biggest fight in boxing.
The next couple of years is going to do wonders for boxing.

Hoya will beat Floyd....decisively this time :yep

Hoya will then go on to fight Winky at 154lbs and then a farewell rematch with Tito at a catch or at 160lbs.

Floyd will admit he can't hang with the big boys finally and return home. Him and Cotto will fight a Mega fight at the Garden. Cotto wins a UD that features Floyd being bounced off the canvas late. After losing 2 fights in a row, Floyd will become serious about boxing again...train his ass off and fight the winner of Cintron/Mosley......and then lose a 3rd straight fight to Mosley. Then the rematch between Mosley and Cotto will happen.....and Cotto will win again. :happy :happy :happy

[tliang1000]

The next couple of years is going to do wonders for boxing.

Hoya will beat Floyd....decisively this time :yep

Hoya will then go on to fight Winky at 154lbs and then a farewell rematch with Tito at a catch or at 160lbs.

Floyd will admit he can't hang with the big boys finally and return home. Him and Cotto will fight a Mega fight at the Garden. Cotto wins a UD that features Floyd being bounced off the canvas late. After losing 2 fights in a row, Floyd will become serious about boxing again...train his ass off and fight the winner of Cintron/Mosley......and then lose a 3rd straight fight to Mosley. Then the rematch between Mosley and Cotto will happen.....and Cotto will win again. :happy :happy :happy

I wouldn't bet on it.

Floyd will beat Oscar by UD or SD, beat Cotto by UD or late TKO.

[BlueApollo]

The closest thing we've seen to a "blueprint" for Floyd recently came from, of all people, Zab, and in typical Zab fashion, it only worked for 4 rounds. But I agree completely that we can dismiss the "crowd him, hit his arms, pressure him" idea that worked fairly well for Castillo. I don't think Floyd's defensive game is much different, or his offensive arsenal, but he is leaps and bounds beyond where he was at lightweight, physically and mentally.

This is why although Cotto - Mayweather has to happen, and should happen, I can't see Cotto winning, and almost have a hard time seeing him be competitve. Floyd is going to counter him all night walking in, and is probably strong enough now to hold his own on the inside.

But if for no other reason than history, the fight must happen. Deep down, even Floyd knows that calling yourself the best welterweight ever, and highlighting that resume with a semi-reired jr. middlweight and three natural 140 lbs. champions (one with a foot in the grave), doesn't add up. And anyone who wants to criticize him afterward by saying Cotto fought at 140 also is just an idiot. Cotto is so much stronger and complete at 147, I'd just about say this should have been his natural division all along.

[compukiller]

The next couple of years is going to do wonders for boxing.

Hoya will beat Floyd....decisively this time :yep

Hoya will then go on to fight Winky at 154lbs and then a farewell rematch with Tito at a catch or at 160lbs.

Floyd will admit he can't hang with the big boys finally and return home. Him and Cotto will fight a Mega fight at the Garden. Cotto wins a UD that features Floyd being bounced off the canvas late. After losing 2 fights in a row, Floyd will become serious about boxing again...train his ass off and fight the winner of Cintron/Mosley......and then lose a 3rd straight fight to Mosley. Then the rematch between Mosley and Cotto will happen.....and Cotto will win again. :happy :happy :happy

PBF will KO Cotto.

[elTerrible]

DLH was extremely close to winning that fight. He had a very impressive defense and was blocking a ton of shots.

Unfortunately PBF also had a good defense... That was the layout for the fight, a defensive fight, with neither being very aggressive. It was anticlimatic considering all the build up and hype. There was no way that it could live up to the hype generated.

[BewareofDawg]

PBF will KO Cotto.
Check Hook? :yep

[Zaryu]

Yea I said Robinson knowing that he was a distinct size advantage with an iron chin and big punch which is imo the only to beat Floyd. All the fights that expert predicted to give FLoyd hell has not been the case. I remember Corrales was close to even money and got taken to school badly. After that performance the odds was never close again. Floyd made it too easy and the people that he beats get send str8 to bum list. SRR was a welterweight, then later on he moved up to MW and eventually fought at LHW. But i do think he is bigger than Floyd, just look at the weight classes he was able to compete in which Floyd's frame wouldnt hold well. But a good comparison could be made for both at WW, considering SRR would be naturally a bit bigger, but not really that much because if he were, then he wouldnt be fighting at WW.

ps: you could also consider SRL naturally bigger than Floyd, just look at the weight clases they started off, and where they finished.