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Pantera2000

03-26-2008, 03:46 PM

Kessler withdraws from super middleweight fight with Miranda

By Dan Rafael
ESPN.com
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Updated: March 26, 2008, 2:40 AM ET

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A May 24 super middleweight showdown between former unified titleholder Mikkel Kessler and brash puncher Edison Miranda imploded Tuesday when Kessler withdrew from the fight.
Miranda promoter Leon Margules of Seminole Warriors Boxing and promoter Lou DiBella, who brokered the deal on behalf of Kessler's Danish promoter Mogens Palle, both were at a loss to explain why Kessler pulled out of a fight that Showtime had already announced on its Web site.
The sides agreed to a deal March 14 and were finalizing the paperwork when, according to Margules, Kessler agent Michael Marley informed Showtime on Tuesday that the fight was off.
"I have no idea why he pulled out. He must be afraid to fight Miranda," Margules told ESPN.com. "We gave them everything they asked for. Showtime gave them everything they asked for."
Margules said Showtime, which agreed to pay $1 million for the fight and beat HBO's offer, wanted the fight so badly that it even agreed to change the date of its "Showtime Championship Boxing" telecast from May 10 to May 24 to accommodate Kessler, who felt he needed additional time to train.
"The Kessler people haven't given me an explanation," Margules said. "They're acting like we're [messing] with them. I'm outraged. If their explanation is that we didn't meet their deal points, I have their points in writing. Everything was in the contract that they asked for. They wanted it to be a 10-round fight. We gave them that because they wouldn't even discuss a 12-rounder. They insisted on all sorts of things and we gave them everything."
Among other concessions given to Kessler: The bout would not take place on Native American property or in Florida. Seminole Warriors Boxing is a Native American-operated promotional company based in Hollywood, Fla.
Also, Kessler was to be paid 400,000 Euros (approximately $600,000 U.S.) and Palle would retain lucrative television rights in Scandinavia, Germany and other territories.
"They took the fight and then they backed out," Margules said. "We had a deal in writing, and although it was not signed yet, we all said, 'We have a deal.' Showtime even had the fight on its Web site. Everything was worked out and my fighter was in camp. And then, no fight."
Margules said Marley didn't even bother to call him and that he found out from Showtime that the fight was off.
DiBella was also disgusted with Kessler and his team.
"I was dealing with Mogens Palle and Mike Marley. I should have expected no less," DiBella said. "I found this fight for Kessler at the request of Mogens and I spent a lot of time working on it. We sent them a contract reflecting everything they asked for. But then Mike wouldn't take my calls for a week and Mogens has been ill. No one ever came back with comments on the contract and then Mike called [Showtime's] Ken Hershman directly and blamed me, saying the contract didn't reflect the deal. Then Ken asked him why they never came back with comments on the contract and Mike changed his tune and said that Kessler had some other opportunity for a world title fight. Which is it?
"The way in which this was handled is preposterous. If they didn't want the fight, just say so. I made an unbelievable deal for the Kessler side but they are too stupid to see it."
Marley didn't return a telephone message or e-mail from ESPN.com seeking comment.

Miranda, who is 2-0 since moving up to super middleweight in the wake of his May 2007 middleweight title elimination loss to Kelly Pavlik, who would go on to win the title, wasn't all that surprised that Kessler withdrew.
The trash-talking Miranda had goaded Kessler into the accepting the fight in the first place.
"I didn't get my hopes up because I know Kessler is afraid of me," Miranda said. "We gave him everything he wanted to make this fight and he still wouldn't take it. In fact, the only thing we didn't give him is the opportunity to tie my hands around my back while we fought. But at this point I'm willing to even give him that because I know if I yelled 'boo' at him in the ring he'd turn and run. I said it before and I'll say it again -- he should be ashamed to call himself a 'Viking Warrior.'"
Kessler (39-1, 29 KOs), of Denmark, hasn't fought since losing his two belts via lopsided decision to Joe Calzaghe in a Nov. 3 unification fight.
Miranda (30-2, 26 KOs), of Colombia, is one of the biggest punchers in the 168-pound division. Both of his losses came at middleweight, a controversial decision in Germany to Arthur Abraham in a 2006 title bout and the loss to Pavlik.
Showtime has not decided what it will do about its May card.
Dan Rafael is ESPN.com's boxing writer.

Pantera2000

03-26-2008, 03:47 PM

Even Lou Dibella was involved with all this and he is pissed off on how it was all handled.

Boyd

03-26-2008, 03:48 PM

just give it up on the scared part and this would be taken more serious.

Ring Master

03-26-2008, 03:49 PM

I agree, as a fan I'm very disappointed with Team Kessler for getting my hopes up. This would have been a hell of a fight.

maciek4

03-26-2008, 03:51 PM

That sucks. I was looking forward to this fight more so than Calzaghe-Hops.

I gotta say Miranda is one scary dude, nobody wants to fight him.

Punisher33

03-26-2008, 03:52 PM

Kessler doesnt want such a tough fight so fast, he needs to fight a couple low profile guys and work his way up from there, I'm sure his confidence level is still very low, him backing out like this just proves that.

Ring Master

03-26-2008, 03:52 PM

just give it up on the scared part and this would be taken more serious.

Well, they are very concerned with taking a loss at this time since they are coming off a loss. What do you expect Fans to think, especially Miranda fans? They should have just stuck to their guns in the first place and not took the fight. instead they let Miranda and those press releases goad them into taking a fight they really didn't want in the first place. Now they look yellow backing at this point.

Ring Master

03-26-2008, 03:53 PM

Boyd

03-26-2008, 03:54 PM

Well, they are very concerned with taking a loss at this time since they are coming off a loss. What do you expect Fans to think, especially Miranda fans? They should have just stuck to their guns in the first place and not took the fight. instead they let Miranda and those press releases goad them into taking a fight they really didn't want in the first place. Now they look yellow backing at this point.or i person could look at the fact that now he is fighting for a belt at 175. most boxers given the same chance would go for the title shot! people need to be a little more objective.

Pantera2000

03-26-2008, 03:56 PM

or i person could look at the fact that now he is fighting for a belt at 175. most boxers given the same chance would go for the title shot! people need to be a little more objective.

Link?

Pantera2000

03-26-2008, 03:57 PM

Punisher33

03-26-2008, 04:00 PM

or i person could look at the fact that now he is fighting for a belt at 175. most boxers given the same chance would go for the title shot! people need to be a little more objective. I see what your saying, but why even entertain offers and verbally agree to a fight you never wanted in the first place? I'm not calling Kessler a pussy, but from reading this article, I could understand why people are calling him scared and what not, Miranda didnt back down, Kessler did.

MrMagic

03-26-2008, 04:01 PM

Seriously, elite professional fighters all have their excuses.
I am more than confident that Kessler is afraid of NOBODY in the entire boxing world, if there was room for fear, believe me.. he wouldn't have reached this level in this tough sport.

If he faced Joe Calzaghe and made a fight out of it, why would he be scared to fight a smaller, less experienced, less talented fighter in Edison?

Decebal

03-26-2008, 04:08 PM

Well...this could be win/win/win/win for everyone...
Kessler gets his shot at Mundine!:happy
Bute gets a good American opponent!:happy
Miranda gets a title shot against a top guy in the division!:happy

The fans get two very good fights between four top 10 guys at SMW!!!:happy

Looks like things have turned out much better than anyone could have hoped for!:deal

Maden

03-26-2008, 04:12 PM

curmudgeon

03-26-2008, 04:13 PM

Secern

03-26-2008, 04:18 PM

The chance of a bigger fight for Kessler must have come up - thats the only sensible explanation to all this.

Decebal

03-26-2008, 04:21 PM

The chance of a bigger fight for Kessler must have come up - thats the only sensible explanation to all this.

Shot at Mundine's title.

Without a title, he cannot get a shot at the big American names...it's just bad risk/reward. He also needs to win again before they consider him...

Vanihm

03-26-2008, 04:24 PM

Don't blame Kessler for Showtime's foolishness - Kessler's camp hadn't signed anything and yet Showtime prematurely announced the fight to the protest of Kessler's manager. If anyone was amateurish it was them.
And don't beleive Miranda - he claimed Kessler had turned down the fight even before talks had even begun.

MrMagic

03-26-2008, 04:25 PM

Kessler himself:

He's been offered a fight with Anthony Mundine, which he have been interested in ever since their first fight. (Plus it would add a title)
Winky Wright has responded to Kessler's team not once but TWICE, showing interest in a fight.

Now in all honesty, both these fights are BIGGER than a fight with Miranda, personally.. I would rather see Kessler give Miranda a boxing lesson. But I wouldn't be disappointed if he took either of these fights.

Hermit

03-26-2008, 04:25 PM

Pantera2000

03-26-2008, 04:28 PM

If they had a verbal agreement, which it sounds like they did, then their word is shit. Lay blame where it belongs.

Thank you... You beat me to it.
Showtime did everything they asked. Warriors did everything they asked. They verbally agreed to make the fight happen.

Showtime was excited and got the go ahead the fight was happening and all terms had been met. Palle is screwing himself out of future fights in American.

Bodysnatcher

03-26-2008, 04:29 PM

Any chance of winning a title is worth more than facing Miranda at this point!

Miranda brings little reward other than some US exposure! He is not ranked and doesn´t bring Kessler closer to at titleshot at 168.

The case is that Kessler is trying to get Taylor, Winky, RJJ or Pavlik in the ring. But none of them want anything to do with Kessler before he brings a title into the equation!

If in fact Team Palle is seeking a titlefight at 175, that would make a lot more sense legacy wise than meeting Miranda! In that case: Smart move by the Kessler management!

Beating Miranda in America on Showtime means more for his legacy in America than winning a LHW title in Europe.

Just look at Clinton Woods - he's had some excellent victories on home soil and is a LHW champion, but most Americans remember him as the guy who lost to RJJ.

BigReg

03-26-2008, 04:30 PM

Shot at Mundine's title.

Without a title, he cannot get a shot at the big American names...it's just bad risk/reward. He also needs to win again before they consider him...

Please tell me you didn't just write this. As of now, Mundine does not have a real title. He is simply the WBA regular champ. Unless Calzaghe gets stripped of two titles, Mundine will continue to be a faux champion. No big American names give a shit about a faux title.:deal

MrMagic

03-26-2008, 04:32 PM

Here's another thing Kessler said:

"I want to fight in the US, if everything goes as planned, I should fight Edison Miranda, Edison is a good fighter, he's fun to watch and I think he deserved the victory against Arthur Abraham. I have blood on my teeths to come back in the ring again, I love this sport. My main goal is to take my boxing career to AMERICA"

Now, we all have to ask ourselves, his personal goals is to become a name in the states, which he would become after a fight with Winky Wright in the states. He would also be praised if he took a Mundine fight in USA, for the title.

Now in all honesty, I think he AND Pantera should take it to Vegas/California(where Miranda has fought a few times), it would give them both more publicity.

BigReg

03-26-2008, 04:34 PM

They had not been scared of Calzaghe. Why would they be scared of Miranda?

I think that a more realistic assumption is that Miranda's team is extremely unprofessional. They sure run their pie holes a lot.

Kessler recieived about 10 times as much to fight Calzaghe. $5 million will make anyone brave. Team Miranda are not the ones being unprofessional. They are not the ones who backed out on an all but done deal without explanation. Who the hell wouldn't be upset if they were in team Miranda's position?

Maden

03-26-2008, 04:38 PM

Beating Miranda in America on Showtime means more for his legacy in America than winning a LHW title in Europe.

Just look at Clinton Woods - he's had some excellent victories on home soil and is a LHW champion, but most Americans remember him as the guy who lost to RJJ.

Beating Miranda doesn´t move Kessler anywhere nearer to the big fights against the top rated american names! Only titles would do that! Beating Miranda in America won´t mean anything legacy wise... Then Miranda would be the guy who lost the 3 times he stepped up in competition!

Collecting a title would be worth a lot more than the Miranda name!

C Money

03-26-2008, 04:40 PM

Palle strikes again?:-(

I have no idea why Kessler is still with him. This could be to get a 'title" shot but still a win over Miranda is good for the record. Kessler was very likely to win and would have a better case for a belt, but? Palle fucks up another:verysad

C Money

03-26-2008, 04:42 PM

Please tell me you didn't just write this. As of now, Mundine does not have a real title. He is simply the WBA regular champ. Unless Calzaghe gets stripped of two titles, Mundine will continue to be a faux champion. No big American names give a shit about a faux title.:deal

Stop it:lol:

Floyd once coveted an IBF "faux" 147 title as he tried to leave 47 and fight Spinks at 54, so if this is you're new reasoning? Please b sure and apply it consistently:D

Decebal

03-26-2008, 04:50 PM

Please tell me you didn't just write this. As of now, Mundine does not have a real title. He is simply the WBA regular champ. Unless Calzaghe gets stripped of two titles, Mundine will continue to be a faux champion. No big American names give a shit about a faux title.:deal

Well, firstly, by the time Mundine and Kessler get it on, the title would have become full, because Calzaghe will have vacated and secondly, even if they fight for the regular title earlier, within a couple of weeks, when Calzaghe vacates, the title is full again...what is the problem?

Hermit

03-26-2008, 04:50 PM

Everyone has been wondering where he is. Nothing since his loss. Is he going 'Winky' on us? He could be out of the ring over a year waiting for a title shot.

Boro chris

03-26-2008, 05:01 PM

Do we have any idea who Kesslers next opponent is? If its Tocker Pudwill then fair enough, stick the boot in. I will wait and see however.

Boro chris

03-26-2008, 05:04 PM

Decebal

03-26-2008, 05:04 PM

Do we have any idea who Kesslers next opponent is? If its Tocker Pudwill then fair enough, stick the boot in. I will wait and see however.

Braehmer declined his No. 1 contender slot with the WBA at 168, preferring instead to be ranked at 175, where Green just vacated - much easier to get a belt there now. This made Kessler No.1 contender to Mundine's title. It looks like Kessler is hoping to get a shot at Mundine, with the support of the WBA!

Boro chris

03-26-2008, 05:06 PM

Braehmer declined his No. 1 contender slot with the WBA at 168, preferring instead to be ranked at 175, where Green just vacated - much easier to get a belt there now. This made Kessler No.1 contender to Mundine's title. It looks like Kessler is hoping to get a shot at Mundine, with the support of the WBA!

Cool! Their first fight was pretty good. I'd like to have seen Miranda-Kessler but it might of been a bit one sided. This should be a more competitive fight.

KO Boxing

03-26-2008, 05:11 PM

The first Mundine-Kessler fight was an awesome fight. Before Calzaghe-Kessler and Bika-Cordington etc..., it was one of the best fights I'd seen as super middleweight for a few years (between two top 5 fighters). And both fighters have since improved, so a rematch would only be better.

I'm a Mundine fan, but realistically, I can't see him beating Kessler. I can hope, though. :D

Hermit

03-26-2008, 05:17 PM

Braehmer declined his No. 1 contender slot with the WBA at 168, preferring instead to be ranked at 175, where Green just vacated - much easier to get a belt there now. This made Kessler No.1 contender to Mundine's title. It looks like Kessler is hoping to get a shot at Mundine, with the support of the WBA!

So, he is waiting for Mundine to finish his bout on 5/28 to decide his next fight? [Only registered and activated users can see links]

How does this stop a Miranda fight around the same time? Or do I have this wrong?

Decebal

03-26-2008, 05:21 PM

So, he is waiting for Mundine to finish his bout on 5/28 to decide his next fight? [Only registered and activated users can see links]

How does this stop a Miranda fight around the same time? Or do I have this wrong?

Well, Kessler wouldn't be ready for a 12 rounder against Mundine in May anyway...that's why he asked for 10 rounds aganst Miranda. As far as I know, Kessler is targeting Winky and Mundine. He could either fight Winky first, with the winner taking on Mundine, or he could just train for 6 months until Mundine gives him a shot. I don't think Kessler will fight Mundine in May...Mundine desperately wants to get another win before going in with Kessler and Soliman has a contract that stipulates this rematch with Mundine, so Mundine has to honour it, it seems.

Axe

03-26-2008, 05:45 PM

Kessler never struck me as a guy who took on all comers.

BigReg

03-26-2008, 05:45 PM

Stop it:lol:

Floyd once coveted an IBF "faux" 147 title as he tried to leave 47 and fight Spinks at 54, so if this is you're new reasoning? Please b sure and apply it consistently:D

Only you would find a way to criticise Floyd in a thread that has nothing to do with him. The faux title that I'm refering to is that WBA "regular" title that Kessler is chasing after. Floyd has never gone after that bullshit title. In general, I have no problem with IBF belts. The IBF belt that Floyd won against Judah was bogus considering Judah lost a WW bout in his previous fight. However, I'm can't get too mad at Floyd considering Judah was the only reasonable otpion at the time, and considering that Floyd won a legitimate WBC title in his next bout.

BigReg

03-26-2008, 05:50 PM

Well, firstly, by the time Mundine and Kessler get it on, the title would have become full, because Calzaghe will have vacated and secondly, even if they fight for the regular title earlier, within a couple of weeks, when Calzaghe vacates, the title is full again...what is the problem?

What's the problem? The problem is if Calzaghe loses to Hopkins, he definately won't vacate. Even if he wins, he still might not vacate.

C Money

03-26-2008, 06:56 PM

Only you would find a way to criticise Floyd in a thread that has nothing to do with him. The faux title that I'm refering to is that WBA "regular" title that Kessler is chasing after. Floyd has never gone after that bullshit title. In general, I have no problem with IBF belts. The IBF belt that Floyd won against Judah was bogus considering Judah lost a WW bout in his previous fight. However, I'm can't get too mad at Floyd considering Judah was the only reasonable otpion at the time, and considering that Floyd won a legitimate WBC title in his next bout.

I didnt criticize just brought the point home:good

Remember to apply you're opinion consistently:yep

As for BA, BO, BF, BC? Their all full of BS! So whats the difference? Fight the best, regardless which trinket they wrap around their waist:hey

BigReg

03-26-2008, 07:02 PM

I didnt criticize just brought the point home:good

Remember to apply you're opinion consistently:yep

As for BA, BO, BF, BC? Their all full of BS! So whats the difference? Fight the best, regardless which trinket they wrap around their waist:hey

My opinion is applied consistently. One org can't have two champs in the same division. Everyone knows the WBA created the super and regular titles to make it easier for fighters to unify. Calzaghe is the real WBA champ. Mundine has a faux title which allows Calzaghe to be a unified champ without having to worry about being stripped by the WBA.

Futhermore, it doesn't even matter. Kessler is backing out of this fight and the best excuse his fans can come up with is that he's chasing a faux champ who already has a fight set for May. Why the hell couldn't Kessler fight Miranda then fight Mundine if he wins?

C Money

03-26-2008, 07:06 PM

My opinion is applied consistently. One org can't have two champs in the same division. Everyone knows the WBA created the super and regular titles to make it easier for fighters to unify. Calzaghe is the real WBA champ. Mundine has a faux title which allows Calzaghe to be a unified champ without having to worry about being stripped by the WBA.

Futhermore, it doesn't even matter. Kessler is backing out of this fight and the best excuse his fans can come up with is that he's chasing a faux champ who already has a fight set for May. Why the hell couldn't Kessler fight Miranda then fight Mundine if he wins?

Reg, I've hated on Palle since the Calzaghe negoitiations and if you read my other post, I AGREE he should have just fougt Miranda. He'd win anyway.

I also agree THE orgs shouldnt have multiple champs. Yet dont dsicriminate one alphabet BS over another. They are all equally full of shit:good

Hermit

03-26-2008, 07:31 PM

Well, Kessler wouldn't be ready for a 12 rounder against Mundine in May anyway...that's why he asked for 10 rounds aganst Miranda. As far as I know, Kessler is targeting Winky and Mundine. He could either fight Winky first, with the winner taking on Mundine, or he could just train for 6 months until Mundine gives him a shot. I don't think Kessler will fight Mundine in May...Mundine desperately wants to get another win before going in with Kessler and Soliman has a contract that stipulates this rematch with Mundine, so Mundine has to honour it, it seems.
You missed my point. Mudine is scheduled to fight very end of May. This would not have interefered with fighting Miranda.

Decebal

03-26-2008, 07:33 PM

You missed my point. Mudine is scheduled to fight very end of May. This would not have interefered with fighting Miranda.

I didn't miss anything, mate. I was suggesting that Kessler could fight Winky in the meantime or give up on a 10 round fight altogether and focuss on the 12 rounder against Mundine in 6 months.

Hermit

03-26-2008, 08:00 PM

I didn't miss anything, mate. I was suggesting that Kessler could fight Winky in the meantime or give up on a 10 round fight altogether and focuss on the 12 rounder against Mundine in 6 months.
OK But that puts him out of the ring for a very long time. He could risk being pushed further back in the rankings and if people do want to duck him, it would be easier. A fight with Winky won't do squat for rankings will it?

Decebal

03-26-2008, 08:02 PM

OK But that puts him out of the ring for a very long time. He could risk being pushed further back in the rankings and if people do want to duck him, it would be easier. A fight with Winky won't do squat for rankings will it?

Well...he's No.1 contender for the WBA...beating Winky won't set him back, will it?:huh

I cannot see the WBA not giving HIM a shot after they've put him there to give him a shot...

But, yeah...the long lay off is a big concern for me too....hope he doesn't take a 9 months break...

pipe wrenched

03-26-2008, 08:05 PM

OK But that puts him out of the ring for a very long time. He could risk being pushed further back in the rankings and if people do want to duck him, it would be easier. A fight with Winky won't do squat for rankings will it?

I kind of find it amusing how all of a sudden Winky sounds like a good opponent to folks. It wasn't too long ago at all that everybody agreed Winky was: boring, feather fisted, old, BORING, etc. etc....

Now even though he lost his last fight and hasn't fought other than that in what feels like eternity, he's a damn fine opponent to prove your mettle against. People even wanting to see him fight Pavlik.:-( I don't mean to sound like I'm hatin on Wink, because he has done his thing in boxing, just not anymore.

Decebal

03-26-2008, 08:08 PM

I kind of find it amusing how all of a sudden Winky sounds like a good opponent to folks. It wasn't too long ago at all that everybody agreed Winky was: boring, feather fisted, old, BORING, etc. etc....

Now even though he lost his last fight and hasn't fought other than that in what feels like eternity, he's a damn fine opponent to prove your mettle against. People even wanting to see him fight Pavlik.:-( I don't mean to sound like I'm hatin on Wink, because he has done his thing in boxing, just not anymore.

No...Winky is a great fight because he is so overrated (p4p Top 10) and because he is a huge name in the USA. It just makes sense for European fighters who want to make a name for themselves to want to fight and beat him. The ultimate aim is, of course, to get a shot at Taylor or, even better - Pavlik.

Hermit

03-26-2008, 08:09 PM

Well...he's No.1 contender for the WBA...beating Winky won't set him back, will it?:huh

I cannot see the WBA not giving HIM a shot after they've put him there to give him a shot...
I'm not well versed on what the different alphabet people do, but after one seeded very close to Arum's liking for Pavlik, (Lorenzo/Duddy one two when Arum was talking those as the next two likely opponents) I think anything is possible. Winky is ranked at MW. So, beating him does nothing. I just wonder if after a year off, a few $ or euro's or whatever change hands and some that won in the mean time goes up a notch or two over him because he was inactive. So why not Miranda since it was all lined up?

Decebal

03-26-2008, 08:11 PM

I'm not well versed on what the different alphabet people do, but after one seeded very close to Arum's liking for Pavlik, (Lorenzo/Duddy one two when Arum was talking those as the next two likely opponents) I think anything is possible. Winky is ranked at MW. So, beating him does nothing. I just wonder if after a year off, a few $ or euro's or whatever change hands and some that won in the mean time goes up a notch or two over him because he was inactive. So why not Miranda since it was all lined up?

I don't know why but the only thing that could possibly make sense is: a better fight; we'll find out soon enough.

pipe wrenched

03-26-2008, 08:12 PM

No...Winky is a great fight because he is so overrated (p4p Top 10) and because he is a huge name in the USA. It just makes sense for European fighters who want to make a name for themselves to want to fight and beat him. The ultimate aim is, of course, to get a shot at Taylor or, even better - Pavlik.

It is so cool in a way that Pavlik is now of "ultimate aim". Not a year ago people laughed at a Pavlik fan. Only problem is now the HATERS too.

IMO, though, the jury is in on Winky that the fight is gonna suck.:deal

Also, IMO, anybody WANTING to fight Winky is not wanting to get punched very much or very hard.

Decebal

03-26-2008, 08:13 PM

Hermit

03-26-2008, 08:23 PM

It is so cool in a way that Pavlik is now of "ultimate aim". Not a year ago people laughed at a Pavlik fan. Only problem is now the HATERS too.

IMO, though, the jury is in on Winky that the fight is gonna suck.:deal

Also, IMO, anybody WANTING to fight Winky is not wanting to get punched very much or very hard.
Taylor though? That is a surprise. Of course I guess the response to that is money fights with some one they can beat and get a name in America. ;)

Where abouts in WVA?

blood_lust

03-26-2008, 08:49 PM

Well, firstly, by the time Mundine and Kessler get it on, the title would have become full, because Calzaghe will have vacated and secondly, even if they fight for the regular title earlier, within a couple of weeks, when Calzaghe vacates, the title is full again...what is the problem?

On top of that, Mundine is a better fighter than Miranda and proven at SMW, whereas Miranda hasn't done jack at SMW.

pipe wrenched

03-26-2008, 08:51 PM

Taylor though? That is a surprise. Of course I guess the response to that is money fights with some one they can beat and get a name in America. ;)

Where abouts in WVA?

Huntington. Lower west side of the state. Home of Marshall Thundering Herd.:good

psychopath

03-26-2008, 08:59 PM

You can call them unproffesional . . . but not scared. :yep

They are just using their brains. :D

Hermit

03-26-2008, 09:04 PM

You can call them unproffesional . . . but not scared. :yep

They are just using their brains. :D

Well, we shall see if unproffessonal hurts Kessler worse than a fight with Miranda. Their brains may have been wrong.

Ring Master

03-31-2008, 08:37 PM

You can't get a shot at a WBA title coming off a loss.