Darnell Wilson vs. David Haye

[KobeIsGod]

Who wins today?

David Haye has all the physical talent to dominate but lacks the boxing skills needed to be successful at a high level as of now. He must improve his balance, stamina and leaky D.

Like Haye, Wilson has good power and lacks refined boxing skills but unlike Hayes, Darnell has a solid beard. The longer the fight goes, the more danger for Haye.

Haye tires, gets sloppy and chin checked in round 11 while pitching a near shutout on the cards :!:

[Mook]

errrr... Haye has serious skills, as Napoleon Dynamite might put it.

Your assessment of Haye is very flawed. Stamina and leaky defence might be the case - though his defence is ok - but his offensive skills are superb and his balance is good (where on earth did you get that from). Haye would box his way to a decision, having got wilson's respect with his own tremendous power - which I believe to be marginally superior to wilson's. Wilson's chin is better though, no doubt.

[KobeIsGod]

errrr... Haye has serious skills, as Napoleon Dynamite might put it.

Your assessment of Haye is very flawed. Stamina and leaky defense might be the case - though his defense is ok - but his offensive skills are superb and his balance is good (where on earth did you get that from). Haye would box his way to a decision, having got wilson's respect with his own tremendous power - which I believe to be marginally superior to wilson's. Wilson's chin is better though, no doubt.

When i say balance, i mean after throwing a punch. When you watch Haye, he will tend to expose himself after throwing a big right by exaggerating the follow through, especially as he tires. You can call it D, but I think it has to do with balance and footwork.

Wlad used to do the same thing. Watch his TOS fight only a few years ago. He threw too many right leads and got kd after throwing one while off balance. Watch him fight now. He is totally different. I hope he has a good trainer like Uncle Manny

[Smith]

Im sorry, i respect Darnell a lot, both as a fighter and a person, but the only reason he is tied with Haye at this point in time in this poll is because he posts on these boards, some of you are suck ups, which im sure he doesnt like to see either.

[Mook]

Im sorry, i respect Darnell a lot, both as a fighter and a person, but the only reason he is tied with Haye at this point in time in this poll is because he posts on these boards, some of you are suck ups, which im sure he doesnt like to see either.

that's probably fair, but you have to respct the run he's on, it's the most impressive in the division. He has excellent power and chin, but I don't believe he'll win a title - but he could stop Macca, i'm sure.

[Mook]

When i say balance, i mean after throwing a punch. When you watch Haye, he will tend to expose himself after throwing a big right by exaggerating the follow through, especially as he tires. You can call it D, but I think it has to do with balance and footwork.

Wlad used to do the same thing. Watch his TOS fight only a few years ago. He threw too many right leads and got kd after throwing one while off balance. Watch him fight now. He is totally different. I hope he has a good trainer like Uncle Manny

Ok, I respect your assessment, i'll take a look at few fights this eve.

[KobeIsGod]

Im sorry, i respect Darnell a lot, both as a fighter and a person, but the only reason he is tied with Haye at this point in time in this poll is because he posts on these boards, some of you are suck ups, which im sure he doesnt like to see either.

It's his chin and iron will. Look at Sam Cheater and Wlad. Wlad is the most skilled hw by a landslide but Peter's chin and desire kept him alive and made it an exciting bout. Skills are less of a prerequisite for success at the higher weights, especially if you have a chin and power. All it takes is one punch and 36 minutes is a long time for someone with a shaky beard...ask Wald :yep

[dwilson]

Unfortunetly i cant see it happening with Haye moving up, I would pick haye for ud at the moment.

[Smith]

that's probably fair, but you have to respct the run he's on, it's the most impressive in the division. He has excellent power and chin, but I don't believe he'll win a title - but he could stop Macca, i'm sure.

I do respect the run he is on, like i said i, i respect him as a fighter, but in no way he beats Haye for me.

On the other hand, i fancy him over Macca:good

[Mook]

What is it about Macca? I just don't rate him, and I know it's irrational, but I just can't see him as a champ.

[Smith]

What is it about Macca? I just don't rate him, and I know it's irrational, but I just can't see him as a champ.

Im the same buddy, he's just slow and awkward, although he had awesome power. But a slick boxer will make him look like a fool.

[Mook]

I have question about his chin n all. i was no Nelson fan, but I couldn't believe that Macca's camp was so keen on that fight. I see nowt that Macca has that would trouble even that old Nelson.

[Zakman]

Gord lord, Ding would destroy Haye. :nod If an ANCIENT Carl Thompson could stop him, a powerpuncher like Wilson would annihilate him early. I'd be surprised if Haye survives the first good shot on those shaky whiskers. :yep

[Smith]

Gord lord, Ding would destroy Haye. :nod If an ANCIENT Carl Thompson could stop him, a powerpuncher like Wilson would annihilate him early. I'd be surprised if Haye survives the first good shot on those shaky whiskers. :yep

:patsch :patsch :patsch Yet another Thompson argument:patsch :patsch :patsch

[PolishPummler]

This is ESB.

Right now as it stands Ding KO's a prime Holyfield(at Cruiser of course)

[Mook]

:patsch :patsch :patsch Yet another Thompson argument:patsch :patsch :patsch

Yeah, pretty close to bullshit that argument. What was it, his 12th fight? Not many fighters grow the balls to go into a fight like that so early.

[Smith]

Yeah, pretty close to bullshit that argument. What was it, his 12th fight? Not many fighters grow the balls to go into a fight like that so early.

I swear it was the best thing to ever have happened to him, he was arrogant & thought he could do anything. Even he said he's grateful he experienced it, woke him up

[KobeIsGod]

Gord lord, Ding would destroy Haye. :nod If an ANCIENT Carl Thompson could stop him, a powerpuncher like Wilson would annihilate him early. I'd be surprised if Haye survives the first good shot on those shaky whiskers. :yep

I don't think it would be that easy. Haye has good offensive skills. I see it going like Darnell's last fight. He would be behind but would catch Haye late.

If Darnell could just add a good jab to his arsenal and straighten out a few of those HAYEmakers :yep , he would dominate the cruisers because he has two things the others lack in combination: big power and a granite chin.

[Mook]

I swear it was the best thing to ever have happened to him, he was arrogant & thought he could do anything. Even he said he's grateful he experienced it, woke him up

:thumbsup That said, he talked very well of thompson before the fight.

[Smith]

:thumbsup That said, he talked very well of thompson before the fight.

Yeh, he's always been a respectful man, but before the fight it was believed his own hype type of arrogance. He's a lot more grounded now.:thumbsup

[Stinky gloves]

Haye is too much for Ding

[Fighting Fisherman]

Ding always has a real chance with his power, against anyone. Thats what makes him so exciting to watch, the best "boxer" doesn't always win... this ain't the armatures.

[Smith]

Ding always has a real chance with his power, against anyone. Thats what makes him so exciting to watch, the best "boxer" doesn't always win... this ain't the armatures.

You obviously havent seen Hayes power have you.....:-( ?

[Amsterdam]

This is ESB.

Right now as it stands Ding KO's a prime Holyfield(at Cruiser of course)

Of course, Holyfield's been stopped, his chin wasn't titanium. Ding's power is enough to topple over mountains!:lol:

[unitas]

i pick ding here. he got power and a chin.

gaye only has a punch.

ding by brutal ko.

[Snorkel]

:patsch :patsch :patsch Yet another Thompson argument:patsch :patsch :patsch

It's getting ridiculous, isn't it. :patsch

A number of things need pointing out.

1. This was Haye's eleventh fight. He'd stopped everybody within 4 in his previous 10 and tried to do the same here. He was gassed and has learnt from it - it's no longer an issue.

2. Carl Thompson may have been ancient but he could still bang. That's like criticising Moorer for getting stopped by an ancient Foreman.

3. His whiskers may be shaky, but they're not glass. His corner threw in the towel while Haye was on his feet, a little wobbly but still trying to throw back; he wasn't KO'd.

4. If boxing was as simple as picking against the guy with the shaky chin, I'd be a milllionaire. Saying he'd lose because the other guy can punch is stupid. Look at Wlad, he's the best HW around right now. The aforementioned china-chinned Moorer did alright in beating your boy Holyfield too, Zakman.

Anyway, for me, Haye's got height, reach, speed and a superior skill set on his side. If he wants to, he can jab his way to a win. I also think he's got superior power in this match up so isn't going to be without a weapon if he gets rushed. Not ruling out Wilson entirely though, he's got the power to worry anybody in the division.

On a different note, I think it's ridiculous that a guy gets so much abuse for stepping up his comp early and losing. He's come back and is on the verge of being linear champ after 21 fights, that's not something many can boast of.

You all cry about fighters being protected and fighting bums but is it surprising? If somebody like Haye looks for challenges, makes fights and loses, he gets crucified for it so what's the point? His old school mentality should be applauded.

[Smith]

i pick ding here. he got power and a chin.

gaye only has a punch.

ding by brutal ko.

If youre going to make you're arguments like that don't bother posting again, nobody wants to read ''hilarious'' shit like that

[brooklyn1550]

Haye by decision or Ding by late stoppage...can't pick

[Amsterdam]

Haye by decision or Ding by late stoppage...can't pick

At HW, Haye by stoppage. At CW, Ding by stoppage.

Haye is way better fully refreshed at HW, where as dropping to 200 takes a lot out of him.

Ding by KO.

[Smith]

On a different note, I think it's ridiculous that a guy gets so much abuse for stepping up his comp early and losing. He's come back and is on the verge of being linear champ after 21 fights, that's not something many can boast of.

You all cry about fighters being protected and fighting bums but is it surprising? If somebody like Haye looks for challenges, makes fights and loses, he gets crucified for it so what's the point? His old school mentality should be applauded.

EXACTLY. The people who bash him aren't real boxing fans i feel though, they are just sad pessimistic cunts. We're not claiming he's superman, but he has balls of steel, more so than any other fighter from cruiser to heavy, you all moan about it not being like the old days yet Haye is the one of the only ones that has the attitude of previous generations.

[brooklyn1550]

Haye is way better fully refreshed at HW, where as dropping to 200 takes a lot out of him.



That's what I have heard - that he's weight drained at Cruiser

[Steve Fox]

Kobeisgod seems a little bit begrudging of us having a fighter like Haye. He tries to hide it with his pseudo-magnanimosity, but he's pissed off.

[Smith]

He is very weight drained at Cruiser. The fight against Mormeck will be his last down there.

[Fighting Fisherman]

You obviously haven't seen Hayes power have you.....:-( ?

My comment wasn't directed at Haye, it was a comment on the fact that Wilson ALWAYS has a chance in a fight due to his power. Since you bring it up, I'm fully aware that Haye has tremendous power. I think Wilson has more one punch power and a much more solid beard :deal . Frankly, I like Dings chances in this fight... I'm not discounting Haye but I think with his frame he belongs in HW.

[achillesthegreat]

Let's be real. This poll would be more aptly named 'Who would win - Haye or Jesus?'!!!

[*BOX_FAN*]

I pick Haye on points.

[Stinky gloves]

Let's be real. This poll would be more aptly named 'Who would win - Haye or Jesus?'!!!

Do you consider Ding to be the next Jesus?

[chewy 22]

i respect wilson, but Haye absolutley destroys him, with the ref stepping in to save him from himself.

[Ding]

i respect wilson, but Haye absolutley destroys him, with the ref stepping in to save him from himself.

When, maybe the first round. :-(


Sure I didn't look that great in my last fight, and Haye is not any bigger a puncher than emmanuel(albeit a better skill set). Re-visit Haye's fight with Giacobbe Fragomeni and picture all those punches landing are mine. I don't think you guys realize how great my power is, but its cool, I hope he does not move up because he's another exciting fighter thats needed to continue to brighten the cruisers.

I wish there was a way you could see the punch stats of my opponents last couple of fights before they fought me cause you would see that it had dropped quite a bit due to the fact that I'm an excellent counter puncher and they become leary. I can see how some could favor haye but there's one thing I can guarantee, if we fight and he come's out throwing a lot of combo's, it will be an early night with him like..:dead

[Zakman]

4. If boxing was as simple as picking against the guy with the shaky chin, I'd be a milllionaire. Saying he'd lose because the other guy can punch is stupid. Look at Wlad, he's the best HW around right now. The aforementioned china-chinned Moorer did alright in beating your boy Holyfield too, Zakman.

Holyfield was never known as a puncher at HW - and even then, he had Moorer on the canvas, and lost a razor-thin verdict that many felt at the time should have gone the other way.

However hard a 40 year old Thompson hits, he doesn't hit as hard as Wilson. This would, in fact, be a good test for Haye, one I don't think he'd pass. Which is why his handlers will NEVER take this fight, btw.:-(

[Felix Sanchez]

When, maybe the first round. :-(


Sure I didn't look that great in my last fight, and Haye is not any bigger a puncher than emmanuel(albeit a better skill set). Re-visit Haye's fight with Giacobbe Fragomeni and picture all those punches landing are mine. I don't think you guys realize how great my power is, but its cool, I hope he does not move up because he's another exciting fighter thats needed to continue to brighten the cruisers.

I wish there was a way you could see the punch stats of my opponents last couple of fights before they fought me cause you would see that it had dropped quite a bit due to the fact that I'm an excellent counter puncher and they become leary. I can see how some could favor haye but there's one thing I can guarantee, if we fight and he come's out throwing a lot of combo's, it will be an early night with him like..:dead

You would get banged out, sorry. :yep

[brooklyn1550]

You would get banged out, sorry. :yep

Wilson's chin is too good to be banged out in short order like the other guys Haye has fought. If Haye wants to stand toe to toe and slug with Wilson, he would be putting himself at greater risk for a huge bomb, and once he gets hit, it wouldn't be long before Wilson would score a stoppage. Haye could win the fight, however, and he could win by fighting smart.

[Snorkel]

Holyfield was never known as a puncher at HW - and even then, he had Moorer on the canvas, and lost a razor-thin verdict that many felt at the time should have gone the other way.

However hard a 40 year old Thompson hits, he doesn't hit as hard as Wilson. This would, in fact, be a good test for Haye, one I don't think he'd pass. Which is why his handlers will NEVER take this fight, btw.:-(

I was just trying to provoke you, succesfully too might I add. No harm intended. The point remains though, having a weak chin doesn't preclude you from winning fights against a puncher and, as the rest of my post was intended to illustrate, Haye's chin hasn't looked like being broken at the merest hint of a power shot; he was stopped on his feet in his only loss.

I know Ding hits harder than Thompson, but he wouldn't be fighting the same Haye. Haye's stamina has improved as has his style in that he's more measured and won't burn himself out. As a result, he's not eating those kind of punches so much.

I'm not counting Ding out, he seems a top bloke and I certainly wouldn't fancy eating the punch he threw a couple of weeks ago. However, I feel Haye's got the advantage in that more avenue's are open for him as far as strategies are concerned.

As for Haye not taking the fight, you're almost certainly correct. If he, as I hope and expect, wins against Mormeck, I suspect he'll look for 1 or 2 marquee names at most to defend against if at all. Despite his current run, I don't think Ding fits in that category yet.

That's also 100 posts after only 7 months, prolific or what?

[China_hand_Joe]

A weight-drained Haye would fight ultra cagey (a snoozer perhaps?) and outpoint Ding in my estimation

[KobeIsGod]

Kobeisgod seems a little bit begrudging of us having a fighter like Haye. He tries to hide it with his pseudo-magnanimosity, but he's pissed off.

Whatever that means :think. At least i made a point and backed it up with logical reasoning unlike 90% of the other posts. Look, I feel right now, Haye is good cruiser and solid hw prospect. Nothing more, nothing less. It's nuthuggers saying he can knockout the whole hw division in one night that's ludacris. Let's just give him some time and see how it goes.

[Ding]

Ding would get dinged on the jaw and the count would reach ten and the bell would go "Ding Ding"

You just made my day with that one.:good I'm human so who knows:think

[achillesthegreat]

Do you consider Ding to be the next Jesus?
Dings an ESBer like us but he isn't quite a Jesus, more a Noah! Close but no cigar. Built a boat and all but didn't exactly cure the blind.

[achillesthegreat]

You just made my day with that one.:good I'm human so who knows:think
What is your chin like? Be honest. How many times were you dropped as an amateur and pro? Do you see white lights often or do you think you just soak it all up and keep coming?

[Fighting Fisherman]

You just made my day with that one.:good I'm human so who knows:think

Ding, please don't feed the troll...

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[Fighting Fisherman]

Ding would get dinged on the jaw and the count would reach ten and the bell would go "Ding Ding"

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[Max Molyneux]

Holyfield was never known as a puncher at HW - and even then, he had Moorer on the canvas, and lost a razor-thin verdict that many felt at the time should have gone the other way.

However hard a 40 year old Thompson hits, he doesn't hit as hard as Wilson. This would, in fact, be a good test for Haye, one I don't think he'd pass. Which is why his handlers will NEVER take this fight, btw.:-(

Haye was 10 fight Novice when Thompson stopped him and he was gassed out so of course he would be stopped.

You were good at judging A-farce but you judge fighters too much on their chins.

Carl Thompson was a world class cruiserweight too.

[Bummy Davis]

Haye seems like he can hit but Wilson can take a good shot and comeback, if Haye beats him ...Salute

[Max Molyneux]

Haye has good handspeed and head movement to avoid getting hit by power shots too.

[Ding]

What is your chin like? Be honest. How many times were you dropped as an amateur and pro? Do you see white lights often or do you think you just soak it all up and keep coming?


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Just check out this video of my last opponent fighting a former world champ who later went 12 rounds with recent IBF champ Krzysztof Wlodarczyk(a banger). I took emmanuel shots without going anywhere near queer street.:deal

NO matter what you think, I know that Haye doesn't have bigger one punch power than Nwodo. If anything they might be close. Kelvin Davis said that he believes I have a more dangerous punch than Haye. I know you dont believe thats possible, but hey, he spent a couple of weeks with Haye and giving him hell, and Haye said that Davis went right through his punches without getting hurt and was very strong.

[Smith]

The bottom line is, there at at least 5 guys at Crusier with unbeliavable power in one punch. But Ding, i think what gives David his advantage is his speed, its all very well having a fierce ass hook, but if you can't plant it its worthless (thats not aimed at you by the way). Anyway, im out, peace man.:good

[Amsterdam]

When, maybe the first round. :-(


Sure I didn't look that great in my last fight, and Haye is not any bigger a puncher than emmanuel(albeit a better skill set). Re-visit Haye's fight with Giacobbe Fragomeni and picture all those punches landing are mine. I don't think you guys realize how great my power is, but its cool, I hope he does not move up because he's another exciting fighter thats needed to continue to brighten the cruisers.

I wish there was a way you could see the punch stats of my opponents last couple of fights before they fought me cause you would see that it had dropped quite a bit due to the fact that I'm an excellent counter puncher and they become leary. I can see how some could favor haye but there's one thing I can guarantee, if we fight and he come's out throwing a lot of combo's, it will be an early night with him like..:dead

No, 4 known names brutally STARCHED, better than any other fighters have done it isn't a testament to these clowns!:lol:

[Daruf]

Ding i think you will stop Haye around the middle rounds, i don't think he has a answer to your power and he will try to throw all those combo's :)

But Achilles did ask a question that interested me ... i know you clearly have a great chin you have proven that much for sure.
But has there ever been a instance where you got closed to being knocked down (i know the Davis bout was a push so that obviously does not count) or where you were either severely hurt/wobbled ?

The Nwodo fight was brutal its almost unimagineble that there weren't some moments that made you doubt that you wanted to be in that ring that night...

[Ding]

Haye is the favorite in this one:smoke , but you just never know with a relentless guy like the "Ding"

And I totally understand and respect why he is the favorite, but I'd want the fight more than him however. I don't like this thread cause I'm not confident that I will ever have the opportunity to prove my point.:rosstheboss


The Adamek fight is a possibilty though.:cool:

[Ding]

Ding i think you will stop Haye around the middle rounds, i don't think he has a answer to your power and he will try to throw all those combo's :)

But Achilles did ask a question that interested me ... i know you clearly have a great chin you have proven that much for sure.
But has there ever been a instance where you got closed to being knocked down (i know the Davis bout was a push so that obviously does not count) or where you were either severely hurt/wobbled ?

The Nwodo fight was brutal its almost unimagineble that there weren't some moments that made you doubt that you wanted to be in that ring that night...

There was a point where he landed a right hand to the back of my head that did buzz me for about 10 seconds. Never felt that before, so I thought to myself, Cool man yeah.:D Its was when I pointed to the back of my head in the fight.

[Daruf]

There was a point where he landed a right hand to the back of my head that did buzz me for about 10 seconds. Never felt that before, so I thought to myself, Cool man yeah.:D Its was when I pointed to the back of my head in the fight.

That did look like it hurt.. and ive seen some Nwodo fights that guy can crack with the best of them.
How about in your entire carreer/sparring .. has there ever been a legit punch that had real effect on you ?
Im just curious because even somebody that is seemingly made from titanium like McCall said in a recent interview that Buster Douglas hit him with a shot early in the fight that actually hurt him. (not that anybody would have noticed)

Sorry for takingup so much time ... i really hope a fight with Adamek will come off for you, to me that seems like a perfect stylistic matchup, as Thomasz will be there to fight and there is no way he can deal with your power and most importantly he is a big name that will get you closer if not directly too a title shot :good

[Zakman]

And I totally understand and respect why he is the favorite, but I'd want the fight more than him however. I don't like this thread cause I'm not confident that I will ever have the opportunity to prove my point.:rosstheboss
That's because it's HIGHLY unlikely that Haye's handlers will let him anywhere near you - they know they have too much to lose, and that with his questionable whiskers, all their dreams of HW glory will be jeopardized before they get off the ground.

They're looking to go after Mormeck for the title, I think - because they see him as ripe for the picking! And then they'll scoot right up to heavy for the big bucks. Can't say as I blame 'em from a risk/reward perspective - cause like I said, I think you make short work of Haye.:yep

[Smith]

That's because it's HIGHLY unlikely that Haye's handlers will let him anywhere near you - they know they have too much to lose, and that with his questionable whiskers, all their dreams of HW glory will be jeopardized before they get off the ground.

They're looking to go after Mormeck for the title, I think - because they see him as ripe for the picking! And then they'll scoot right up to heavy for the big bucks. Can't say as I blame 'em from a risk/reward perspective - cause like I said, I think you make short work of Haye.:yep

:smh

[Snorkel]

That's because it's HIGHLY unlikely that Haye's handlers will let him anywhere near you - they know they have too much to lose, and that with his questionable whiskers, all their dreams of HW glory will be jeopardized before they get off the ground.

They're looking to go after Mormeck for the title, I think - because they see him as ripe for the picking! And then they'll scoot right up to heavy for the big bucks. Can't say as I blame 'em from a risk/reward perspective - cause like I said, I think you make short work of Haye.:yep

What are you on about? Taking Mormeck because he's ripe for the picking?:patsch

Mormeck's the man at CW and Haye's fought himself to the mandatory spot, why wouldn't he take the fight when it's the best available? You make it sound as if he's ducking people to make this fight when in actual fact it's the one every cruiser wants. I'm fairly sure Ding would (correctly, IMO) prefer a shot at Mormeck over Haye, too.

As for his handlers, Haye has a big say in who he fights and only recently signed with Maloney to help him get the big ones. He fought Thompson in his 10th, was willing to fight Enzo without him having to risk his belt and moved up to HW for a tune up that could've cost him his shot at Mormeck. Say what you want about his chin, but I don't think he's dodging people or taking the risk free approach.

Your 'he's got a dodgy chin, he lost to Thompson, any puncher would destroy him' routine is getting old and seems to me to be based on very little viewing of his fights.

[sandwichsurgeon]

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I could take him no sweat:cool:

[achillesthegreat]

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Just check out this video of my last opponent fighting a former world champ who later went 12 rounds with recent IBF champ Krzysztof Wlodarczyk(a banger). I took emmanuel shots without going anywhere near queer street.:deal

NO matter what you think, I know that Haye doesn't have bigger one punch power than Nwodo. If anything they might be close. Kelvin Davis said that he believes I have a more dangerous punch than Haye. I know you dont believe thats possible, but hey, he spent a couple of weeks with Haye and giving him hell, and Haye said that Davis went right through his punches without getting hurt and was very strong.
Haye has something many don't - SPEED. So not only is he a devastating puncher he has speed that kills.

Bonin - fully fledged heavyweight that got stopped by 260 pound Harrison controversially. Every punch Haye landed hurt Bonin.

Gurov - warred with Mormeck till late in the fight. First real punch put him away for TEN!

Hayes record is irrefutable. Whatever he hits, he destroys.

THREE MEN have gone some rounds with him:
Johansen and Fragomeni he was boxing, still working on that and credit to them they were tough as shit. Abodul went 12 only cos Haye let him. Other than that, pretty much every punch Haye lands on his opponents registers hurt.

[China_hand_Joe]

Haye's raw power for me, is second only behind Big Mac. However Haye is quicker and more accurate which makes his effective power just as great, although Enzo can accidently knock an elephant out with an arm shot.

[Steve Fox]

Haye's raw power for me, is second only behind Big Mac. However Haye is quicker and more accurate which makes his effective power just as great, although Enzo can accidently knock an elephant out with an arm shot.Nonsense.

[China_hand_Joe]

Enzo has knocked out a quality HW too!!!! [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[DanePugilist]

Enzo has knocked out a quality HW too!!!! [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Punching bags comes in all sizes.

[sandwichsurgeon]

Punching bags comes in all sizes.

What has Kesslers resumé got to do with the cruiserweight division?

[Ding]

Enzo has knocked out a quality HW too!!!! [Only registered and activated users can see links]


I can tell by that video that my last opponent hits much harder than Enzo.

[Bummy Davis]

Wilson shows that no matter the size if a fighter imposes his will and makes the other guy fight his fight, a disadvantage becomes an advantage, The Ding is fit and excites and has power and can get off the floor to win