View Full Version : what is up with german boxing?
faisal
03-29-2008, 06:06 PM
theres 3 hoes singing like there in the eurovision song contest :patsch
brooklyn1550
03-29-2008, 06:07 PM
"I'm not that kind of girl"
Great entrance music Arthur
:rofl
mrplow182
03-29-2008, 06:08 PM
the david haye fight in paris was even worse....like 17 anthems and tthe announcer had to say everything twice
Sebastien
03-29-2008, 06:09 PM
I,m glad they cancelled the anthems for the Nard vs. Slappy Joe fight.
faisal
03-29-2008, 06:13 PM
1st round KO coming up
prideofvbeach
03-29-2008, 07:23 PM
Yeah, having No Angels singing was stupid. Hey, they need to come with Abraham to MSG to show Americans how great German pop music is!!! ;-)
prideofvbeach
03-29-2008, 07:24 PM
BTW Ayala got his ass handed to him just like everyone expected KO 12
ChrisPontius
03-29-2008, 07:30 PM
Well, they have fights on free television and free streams via the Internet at more than once a month, you won't hear any complaints from me.
Well, they have fights on free television and free streams via the Internet at more than once a month, you won't hear any complaints from me.
On top of that all the entrance fees for the big fights in Germany are quite modest compared with countries like England or the USA.
Decebal
03-31-2008, 11:11 AM
There is something rotten in the country of Germany if boxers refuse to fight there. Take Bute, for example. He can fight Larsen in Germany or in Denmark. Apparently, Sauerland has only allowed Berrio to defend his belt in Montreal if Interbox agreed that Bute would fight someone in the Sauerland stable, if he won, abroad. Interbox said there's no way they would let Bute fight in Germany...despite the better money and exposure,...it's not difficult to see why.
Now, I know many German posters defend German boxing, saying corruption is not worse than anywhere else and that Germany has a bad name in vain, but...come on...let's not kid ourselves...in Britain, when disgraceful stuff happens, it's usually down to ****** getting together with Dave Parris and/or Mickey Vann, but it doesn't happen that often...and ******, Parris and Vann are notorious for the stunts they pull anyway, so not being much worse than these three isn't something to feel pleased about.
German boxing has a big credibility problem, bigger than any other country out there. And that's completely un-Germanic too - isn't Germany famous for the rule of law and for a tough stance against corruption? That this kind of stuff is allowed to happen in Germany of all places is really embarrassing!
Decebal
03-31-2008, 11:31 AM
if you could say just a few examples for the past couple of years when there were obvious robberies in german boxing! and im not german!
I'll give you an example involving a Romanian boxer, just so that I'm not accused of bias:
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Samaniego was robbed of the title CLEARLY! Yet, Loewe, promoted in Germany by Universum (Kohl), got the win and took Samaniego's belt, in Germany, of course!
Just this weekend, a referee helped a boxer promoted by Sauerland up on his feet from his KD...he only started counting at 3 after he helped him up, about 7 seconds later too!
Tom_Tocca
03-31-2008, 11:31 AM
There is something rotten in the country of Germany if boxers refuse to fight there. Take Bute, for example. He can fight Larsen in Germany or in Denmark. Apparently, Sauerland has only allowed Berrio to defend his belt in Montreal if Interbox agreed that Bute would fight someone in the Sauerland stable, if he won, abroad. Interbox said there's no way they would let Bute fight in Germany...despite the better money and exposure,...it's not difficult to see why.
Now, I know many German posters defend German boxing, saying corruption is not worse than anywhere else and that Germany has a bad name in vain, but...come on...let's not kid ourselves...in Britain, when disgraceful stuff happens, it's usually down to ****** getting together with Dave Parris and/or Mickey Vann, but it doesn't happen that often...and ******, Parris and Vann are notorious for the stunts they pull anyway, so not being much worse than these three isn't something to feel pleased about.
German boxing has a big credibility problem, bigger than any other country out there. And that's completely un-Germanic too - isn't Germany famous for the rule of law and for a tough stance against corruption? That this kind of stuff is allowed to happen in Germany of all places is really embarrassing!
That's a really stupid post - Bute vs. Larsen, big deal! If Bute is as good as any Canuck is saying, he should put away Larsen with ease. Germany, Denmark, anywhere. And pease tell me some about corruption - if there is any, the media would have already noticed and would have investigate on it.
But ok, I already here you screaming: Lucas was robbed, Green was robbed!
Lucas may have deserved a close decision but the fight was close - only thing people could blame here is the WBC not granting Lucas a rematch. On the other side Green fought very dumb the first time vs. Beyer and deserved to be DQed by flagrantly headbutting him.
Plus I would add the AA-Miranda fiasco but though, the IBF would have given Miranda a 2nd chance but he choosed o fight Pavlik...
Btw, guys like Brewster and Byrd enjoyed Germany everytime they were around...
Decebal
03-31-2008, 11:37 AM
That's a really stupid post - Bute vs. Larsen, big deal! If Bute is as good as any Canuck is saying, he should put away Larsen with ease. Germany, Denmark, anywhere. And pease tell me some about corruption - if there is any, the media would have already noticed and would have investigate on it.
But ok, I already here you screaming: Lucas was robbed, Green was robbed!
Lucas may have deserved a close decision but the fight was close - only thing people could blame here is the WBC not granting Lucas a rematch. On the other side Green fought very dumb the first time vs. Beyer and deserved to be DQed by flagrantly headbutting him.
Plus I would add the AA-Miranda fiasco but though, the IBF would have given Miranda a 2nd chance but he choosed o fight Pavlik...
Btw, guys like Brewster and Byrd enjoyed Germany everytime they were around...
Tom, I respect you as a poster very much, but we both know that a Sauerland or Universum promoted boxer has to lose a fight by at least 4 clear rounds to be guaranteed to lose the fight.
Not a long time ago, Sanavia was robbed of a win against Haussler, who is promoted by Sauerland...
The list goes on and on and on...
Decebal
03-31-2008, 11:46 AM
yes i have seen that one, it was weird but watch the ref when helping golota against lewis after the first knock down! these things happen.
Sure, these things happen anywhere, but in Germany or with German promoted boxers, they happen much more often. In fact, I am always surprised when I see something fishy DIDN'T happen, especially if the German fighter/German promoted fighter had a hard time in the ring. And this is taking into account that many of the big German stars' defences are against non-world class opposition!
Watch Reid v. Ottke and you will be amazed by what the referee did that night!
I'm quite happy with German boxing, what with all these free high quality streams I'm getting :yep
I'll take the odd robbery for that
Tom_Tocca
03-31-2008, 11:58 AM
Tom, I respect you as a poster very much, but we both know that a Sauerland or Universum promoted boxer has to lose a fight by at least 4 clear rounds to be guaranteed to lose the fight.
Not a long time ago, Sanavia was robbed of a win against Haussler, who is promoted by Sauerland...
The list goes on and on and on...
Sanavia is also promoted by Sauerland...I don't say that there aren't robberies in Germany, but definately no more than anywhere else in the world. But I guess it's just a problem of TV exposure. There are more than 60 live televised fight cards each year (out of maybe 100 fight cards overall a year). Just compare the population and size of the US to Germany - you will find out that by percentage, German TV shows the most boxing...
i have seen that one as well but german promoted champions defences agains poor competition has more to do with too cautious german promoters like kohl! they ruin european boxing and its sad because they can build up great fighters.
Prime example being Mr. Dzinziruk
Where the hell are they hiding the kid? He should be undisputed champ in this shitty wasteland of a division :-(
Decebal
03-31-2008, 12:09 PM
Sanavia is also promoted by Sauerland...I don't say that there aren't robberies in Germany, but definately no more than anywhere else in the world. But I guess it's just a problem of TV exposure. There are more than 60 live televised fight cards each year (out of maybe 100 fight cards overall a year). Just compare the population and size of the US to Germany - you will find out that by percentage, German TV shows the most boxing...
Yeah...there are many good things with German boxing: plenty of free to air televised shows, very good pay for German/German promoted fighters, plenty of support from the crowd...etc. All in all - this is great for the business of boxing in Germany, not least since their stars are protected from failure both by the ref and by the judges...say what you want.
And, yeah, Tom, if Bute travels to fight Larsen, he might just have to press for a stoppage, because, as you yourself suggested, that is the wisest thing to do when you fight a Sauerland promoted fighter.:good
Pantera2000
03-31-2008, 12:15 PM
Hey, you know what I think of Sauerland and his corrupt tactics. I could right a damn book on my experience.
But I will give him credit for one thing, the man knows how to put on a first class show. You will see nothing in America compared to what they do in Germany for a big fight.
Tom_Tocca
03-31-2008, 12:45 PM
Yeah...there are many good things with German boxing: plenty of free to air televised shows, very good pay for German/German promoted fighters, plenty of support from the crowd...etc. All in all - this is great for the business of boxing in Germany, not least since their stars are protected from failure both by the ref and by the judges...say what you want.
And, yeah, Tom, if Bute travels to fight Larsen, he might just have to press for a stoppage, because, as you yourself suggested, that is the wisest thing to do when you fight a Sauerland promoted fighter.:good
Remember what Vivian Harris and Steve Cunningham did with ease...especially Harris in his first fight with Urkal, a fight that could have been scored either way, Harris won on points!
Decebal
03-31-2008, 01:08 PM
Remember what Vivian Harris and Steve Cunningham did with ease...especially Harris in his first fight with Urkal, a fight that could have been scored either way, Harris won on points!
Tom, there's a reason Wegner pulled Huck out at the last moment; he knew that if it had been allowed to go to the cards, Huck might have been gifted a decision. Being an honest man and valuing the reputation of his young charge, he wanted to guarantee the right decision.:deal
Tom_Tocca
03-31-2008, 01:13 PM
Tom, there's a reason Wegner pulled Huck out at the last moment; he knew that if it had been allowed to go to the cards, Huck might have been gifted a decision. Being an honest man and valuing the reputation of his young charge, he wanted to guarantee the right decision.:deal
lol, Cunningham would have won on th scorecards...he was clearly winning it...
Decebal
03-31-2008, 01:17 PM
lol, Cunningham would have won on th scorecards...he was clearly winning it...
He was winning on our scorecards clearly...but...not necessarily on the jugdes' scorecards, Tom!
Ulli knows the score! Had Cunninghamn been robbed, his boy would have been hated!
Tom_Tocca
03-31-2008, 01:33 PM
He was winning on our scorecards clearly...but...not necessarily on the jugdes' scorecards, Tom!
Ulli knows the score! Had Cunninghamn been robbed, his boy would have been hated!
Man, I know the official scores and Cunningham was leading 107-102, 106-103 on 2 judges scorecards before the final round...
Decebal
03-31-2008, 01:40 PM
Man, I know the official scores and Cunningham was leading 107-102, 106-103 on 2 judges scorecards before the final round...
How fortunate; Ulli just didn't want to take the chance, though; he didn't know the scores, did he?;) But he knew the score! :)
Tom_Tocca
03-31-2008, 01:44 PM
How fortunate; Ulli just didn't want to take the chance, though; he didn't know the scores, did he?;)
You are buying too much in the story of "Germany being the most corrupt country in boxing-biz".
The question is why - Bute maybe being not all that good? Even JC came over to fight here...
Decebal
03-31-2008, 01:46 PM
You are buying too much in the story of "Germany being the most corrupt country in boxing-biz".
:nono
The question is why - Bute maybe being not all that good?
:huh Why, am I making excuses for a possible loss to Larsen by arguing that it's bound to be a robbery? How would that convince anyone, post facto, if it wasn't a robbery? What does this have to do with Bute anyway? Why do you keep bringing him up?
Even JC came over to fight here...
Not to fight Ottke, he didn't!:deal
Tom_Tocca
03-31-2008, 01:47 PM
:nono
:huh Why, am I making excuses for a possible loss to Larsen by arguing that it's bound to be a robbery? How would that convince anyone, post facto, if it wasn't a robbery? What does this have to do with Bute anyway? Why do you keep bringing him up?
Not to fight Ottke, he didn't!:deal
So you think Larsen is a big threat or what?
Tom_Tocca
03-31-2008, 01:49 PM
Why, am I making excuses for a possible loss to Larsen by arguing that it's bound to be a robbery? How would that convince anyone, post facto, if it wasn't a robbery? What does this have to do with Bute anyway? Why do you keep bringing him up?
There is something rotten in the country of Germany if boxers refuse to fight there. Take Bute, for example. He can fight Larsen in Germany or in Denmark. Apparently, Sauerland has only allowed Berrio to defend his belt in Montreal if Interbox agreed that Bute would fight someone in the Sauerland stable, if he won, abroad. Interbox said there's no way they would let Bute fight in Germany...despite the better money and exposure,...it's not difficult to see why.
That's why...
Decebal
03-31-2008, 01:50 PM
So you think Larsen is a big threat or what?
I don't know how much of a threat he is because I've never seen him fight and because I don't know how "back" he is after his comeback...
In any case, I do expect Bute to win by wide decision and perhaps even stoppage...but if Larsen is better than I think and it would be close, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Larsen was given the nod...even if he was losing by 3 rounds or so...
Decebal
03-31-2008, 01:50 PM
That's why...
I was using a recent example. My posts in this thread are not about Bute!:blood
I'll give you an example involving a Romanian boxer, just so that I'm not accused of bias:
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Samaniego was robbed of the title CLEARLY! Yet, Loewe, promoted in Germany by Universum (Kohl), got the win and took Samaniego's belt, in Germany, of course!
Just this weekend, a referee helped a boxer promoted by Sauerland up on his feet from his KD...he only started counting at 3 after he helped him up, about 7 seconds later too!
You have made some interesting points,decebal.
However, you have presented the wrong example. As far as I can remember Loewe is Romanain,too.His real name wasnt Loewe.He also knows Diaconu as he tried to sell him to Kohl a few years ago.Kohl didnt seem to be that keen on signing Diaconu though.Kohl's head coach considered Diaconu to be not good enough to become a champ and a serious threat to any top fighter.
By the way ,decebal,are the young heavy weight brothers Roth are also Romanians?
Decebal
04-01-2008, 08:05 AM
You have made some interesting points,decebal.
However, you have presented the wrong example. As far as I can remember Loewe is Romanain,too.His real name wasnt Loewe.He also knows Diaconu as he tried to sell him to Kohl a few years ago.Kohl didnt seem to be that keen on signing Diaconu though.Kohl's head coach considered Diaconu to be not good enough to become a champ and a serious threat to any top fighter.
Yeah, Loewe (Mihai Leu) is Romanian. That is why I used the example, because I am Romanian and I wanted to show that it cuts both ways - Leu should never have won that WBO title. He robbed the beltholder that night.
Also, Kohl was silly not to sign Diaconu. The way things are going at LHW, with so many big names retiring soon, he's bound to be at least a good long-term contender, even if he fails to win a belt this time around. We'll see how he does against Henry and then, hopefully, Dawson. :good
Decebal
04-01-2008, 08:07 AM
By the way ,decebal,are the young heavy weight brothers Roth are also Romanians?
I have never heard of them, Odo...do you have a link to their boxrec record sheet? I couldn't find them...
ApatheticLeader
04-01-2008, 08:37 AM
"I'm not that kind of girl"
Great entrance music Arthur
:rofl
What?! :rofl
I've got to find footage of that entrance :lol:
I have never heard of them, Odo...do you have a link to their boxrec record sheet? I couldn't find them...
Their names are Egon and Dieter Roth.Both brothers have a contract with the German promoter Kohl. As far as I understood both of them stem from Romania.I am not that familiar with Romania-to tell you the truth.
I guess that a lot of Germans live there,dont they?
Decebal
04-02-2008, 08:52 AM
Their names are Egon and Dieter Roth.Both brothers have a contract with the German promoter Kohl. As far as I understood both of them stem from Romania.I am not that familiar with Romania-to tell you the truth.
I guess that a lot of Germans live there,dont they?
Yeah, they are Romanian - Romanian Sachsen!:happy
Unfortunately, there are very, very few Sachsen left in Romania...the ones who didn't leave/were sold by the communists before 1989 left straight after...:verysad :-( :verysad :-( :verysad
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