do you trust compubox with mayweather's style?

[Nemotherapy]

its seems that compubox counts every time your gloves touch a warm spot (meaning you opponents body) but what if you barely tap your opponent? that's more boring than fencing. this style is making the UFC a whole lot more appealing. They actually used mayweather's performance to promote the Lidell-Jackson fight. It worked! Mayweather is supposed to be the best yet his performance overshadows all the fighters out there who give it all in the ring. Jackson comes out looking like an indestructable warrior while mayweather looks, well, gay.

[Thread Stealer]

I rarely trust it with any fighter.

[Shpion]

Even if it does, his output remains pathetic (~38 punches/round) for a fighter in his weight category.

[acb]

All I know is that he got a ton of credit for punches which landed on Oscars gloves in his last fight. If you listed to Bob Sheridan´s broadcast he repeatedly says it. Around the 6th round they look at the numbers of landed punches and he is in disbelief, and clearly mentions that Floyd was getting credit for punches on the gloves.

[Bazooka]

All I know is that he got a ton of credit for punches which landed on Oscars gloves in his last fight. If you listed to Bob Sheridan´s broadcast he repeatedly says it. Around the 6th round they look at the numbers of landed punches and he is in disbelief, and clearly mentions that Floyd was getting credit for punches on the gloves.

Exactly and during the HBO telecast of the fight, Merchant was talking about how Mayweather was not getting through with any of his shots cleanley from round 2 on, Stewart also jumped in regarding the same issue and agreed with Merchant from round 6-10, both guys were talking about how Floyds shots were not landing cleanly for a total of 8 rounds.
So do I trust compu box? Fuck no! Compu Box is a couple of guys pressing a fucking Button do you trust a couple of guys ring side who had plenty of drinks before the main event to get it right? if you do you may as well offer them a set of keys and let them race up and down your street after those drinks while your kids play in the front yard.

[1lehudson]

Welcome to the we are oscars fans pity party.:partytime

[magnificentdave]

and eat babies! and rape and pillage oh my!! compubox BAD

[Pimp C]

Welcome to the we are oscars fans pity party.:partytime
My thoughts exactly!:| :| :|

[igotJUIC3]

i see you guys point...this also can be said with ODH in that fight SO....even if we take away the less effective shots......that makes ODH percentage even WORSE.....this compubox thing has been a problem throughout boxing...dont single one boxer out for this....thats not fair.

[acb]

My thoughts exactly!:| :| :|

Look, I know that you think Floyd decisively won the fight. But you cant honestly say that he wasnt getting credit for punches that were landing on gloves (in this particular fight at least).

[Bazooka]

Look, I know that you think Floyd decisively won the fight. But you cant honestly say that he wasnt getting credit for punches that were landing on gloves (in this particular fight at least).

Dont even bother, seriously, its a waste of time, they are so far down on his dick they dont care about Boxing they only care about their fighter, they dont care about the sport itself.
Most of the Floyd fans, are seriously GAY!! I mean that, and they need to come to terms with their wanting to suck a dick.

[igotJUIC3]

Dont even bother, seriously, its a waste of time, they are so far down on his dick they dont care about Boxing they only care about their fighter, they dont care about the sport itself.
Most of the Floyd fans, are seriously GAY!! I mean that, and they need to come to terms with their wanting to suck a dick.

WOW....your ignorance is all over this post.

[Shpion]

And I had it just the opposite. Oscar "landed" on PBF in the single digits, and you could count those on one hand, and have enough fingers left over to do a puppet show.

You are becoming quite funny, I have to give it to you:good

"Oscar "landed" on PBF in the single digits, and you could count those on one hand, and have enough fingers left over to do a puppet show":rofl :rofl :rofl

[acb]

Compubox is a bullshit system anyways, and it can work this way with many fighters.

Seems to me that anyone who fights Winky will get credit for punches that dont land. If you use a high guard, like a Winky, Quartay, Clottey, or Ward, your going to be penalized by the compubox system which is predicated by people in the audience with bad angles, reacting to the oohs and ahhs of the fans and counting what they think are landed punches.

I think Floyd doesnt in general get credit for unlanded punches, but in this fight, with Oscar being the taller, more stationary fighter, using a fairly high guard, and with Floyds speed, he was getting credit for punches on the gloves.

Thats as honest as an assessment as I can give.

[Nemotherapy]

I'll admit at first i though that mayweather won off clean shots. its easy to be fooled. A lot of shots hit the gloves, other shots could have given oscar a buzz cut, and other shots could have shaved oscar 5 o clock shadow off. This does not even include the "punches" or range finders where Mayweather barely tapped Oscar's forehead. Both fighters have great hand speed but if a physcian had a look at both fighter after the fight it would not be hard to tell who took the most punishment. that being said I did see Floyd land clean shots on oscar, there's no doubt about it. but those were few and far in between until the 11th. Floyd did great in the 11th when he ran and threw shots at a tiring oscar.

note: hbo was mentioning that the judges may give rounds to oscar because of the audiences reaction to oscar's flurries. instead it was the judges (not including kazmareck) who were dazzled by floyd's speed and the poetry in motion/theatrics he exhibits while throwing punches even if they didn't really land.

[Nemotherapy]

Welcome to the we are oscars fans pity party.:partytime

so how's botoxville? is that a rural area floyd hugger?

[El Bombasto]

Even if it does, his output remains pathetic (~38 punches/round) for a fighter in his weight category.

:good

[pit]

Dont even bother, seriously, its a waste of time, they are so far down on his dick they dont care about Boxing they only care about their fighter, they dont care about the sport itself.
Most of the Floyd fans, are seriously GAY!! I mean that, and they need to come to terms with their wanting to suck a dick.


says the guy with bambi as his fucking avatar.. what the fuck ever !!!
why don't you eat a dick!!

We cant beat the man in the ring so lets beat on the score cards ?!?!..wow

If you guys don't like how he fights then don't watch , its up to the opponent to take floyd out of his game, not floyd to change his game, or fighting style to make more easy for fighter to beat him.

The FAIR way to beat floyd is to figure out his game and then beat him at his own game or enforce you own.

[Thread Stealer]

So do I trust compu box? Fuck no! Compu Box is a couple of guys pressing a fucking Button do you trust a couple of guys ring side who had plenty of drinks before the main event to get it right? if you do you may as well offer them a set of keys and let them race up and down your street after those drinks while your kids play in the front yard.

Basically.

Compubox numbers.

Gatti landed 41 punches on Mayweather
DLH landed 263 punches on Trinidad
Trinidad landed 166 punches on DLH
Mayweather landed 200+ punches on DLH
DLH landed 120+ punches on Mayweather


It's a tough job. World class boxers are so fast and throw punches so quickly.

[igotJUIC3]

I'll admit at first i though that mayweather won off clean shots. its easy to be fooled. A lot of shots hit the gloves, other shots could have given oscar a buzz cut, and other shots could have shaved oscar 5 o clock shadow off. This does not even include the "punches" or range finders where Mayweather barely tapped Oscar's forehead. Both fighters have great hand speed but if a physcian had a look at both fighter after the fight it would not be hard to tell who took the most punishment. that being said I did see Floyd land clean shots on oscar, there's no doubt about it. but those were few and far in between until the 11th. Floyd did great in the 11th when he ran and threw shots at a tiring oscar.

note: hbo was mentioning that the judges may give rounds to oscar because of the audiences reaction to oscar's flurries. instead it was the judges (not including kazmareck) who were dazzled by floyd's speed and the poetry in motion/theatrics he exhibits while throwing punches even if they didn't really land.

i think the judge who gave it to Oscar was persuaded by the crowd...its noway Oscar wins a card in that fight...whether you like the compu numbers or not...Floyd clearly beat Oscar period

[Nemotherapy]

WOW....your ignorance is all over this post.

yes we are ingnorant because we didn't know that floyd fans also secretly want to take it up the butt. sorry for not considering that...

[igotJUIC3]

yes we are ingnorant because we didn't know that floyd fans also secretly want to take it up the butt. sorry for not considering that...

answer me this...how does posting in a DEBATE about a fighter equal this?

[Nemotherapy]

i think the judge who gave it to Oscar was persuaded by the crowd...its noway Oscar wins a card in that fight...whether you like the compu numbers or not...Floyd clearly beat Oscar period

Dude, watching the fight i thought that Floyd pulled off the victory with even with his love pats. but watching the few exchanges in SLO MO tells a totally different story. I promise. Floyd looked good but wasn't very effective at all. Like I said, the punches weren't really landing except for a few really good shot that floyd landed. just look at oscar's face and look at floyd's face during and after the fight. it tells all

[Nemotherapy]

answer me this...how does posting in a DEBATE about a fighter equal this?

im just joking around to get people pissed off. the fight is another story in slow mo

[Nemotherapy]

Jackson throws 3 punches in an entire fight??

That was a boring fight too, i was dissapointed...

First they got De La Hoya-Mayweather, a superfight, being billed as a battle for the ages, ect ect ect... An even fight... Then on fight night Mayweather runs around Oscar punching him almost at will in the late rounds, but even though he could punch Oscar at will, he don't. Mayweather has all the talent in the world but he needs to turn up the tempo, I think he was capable of pulling off a TKO over Oscar instead of a SD if he actually throw more than one punch at a time. Mayweather could punch Oscar whenever he wanted, but he didn't, and thats the type of fighting thats gonna bite him in his ass eventually if he keeps it up.


Then They bill Liddell-Jackson as an all out war, yet they circle each other for a whole minute not throwing anything. Both fighters looking scared of each other with Liddell running from Jackson as much as he can. Liddell throws a right hand into Jacksons hands every 25 seconds then Jackson lands one punch and Liddells out.

I'm about to stop watching "superfights" and watch Micky Ward Vs. Emanuel Augustus (which appeared on Friday Night Fights) on ESPN Classic.

the liddell fight was more definitive though. its didn't leave you guessing. DLH Mayweather was not a bad fight. DLH made it a fight. So much hand speed... In SLoW Mo the fight was actually pretty good with nice exchanges.

[igotJUIC3]

Dude, watching the fight i thought that Floyd pulled off the victory with even with his love pats. but watching the few exchanges in SLO MO tells a totally different story. I promise. Floyd looked good but wasn't very effective at all. Like I said, the punches weren't really landing except for a few really good shot that floyd landed. just look at oscar's face and look at floyd's face during and after the fight. it tells all

it does...ODH had all kinds of bruises on it in the post fight interview...floyd didnt look like he was in a fight.

anyways i see your point and actually i do think a lot of his punches especially his leaping right and left hooks hit Oscar's gloves. HOWEVER....A LOT of ODH's punches were sloppy not affective at all and were very unaccurate but he still got credit for throwing them.

But it is clear to many no matter how i watch it slo mo or regular its clear ODH should not have won a card IMO.

[sdsfinest22]

please dont compure lidell to mayweather...theres no comparison....floyhd is the reigning pound for pound champ...respect it, put up with it till he gets a loss
its seems that compubox counts every time your gloves touch a warm spot (meaning you opponents body) but what if you barely tap your opponent? that's more boring than fencing. this style is making the UFC a whole lot more appealing. They actually used mayweather's performance to promote the Lidell-Jackson fight. It worked! Mayweather is supposed to be the best yet his performance overshadows all the fighters out there who give it all in the ring. Jackson comes out looking like an indestructable warrior while mayweather looks, well, gay.

[Pimp C]

Dude, watching the fight i thought that Floyd pulled off the victory with even with his love pats. but watching the few exchanges in SLO MO tells a totally different story. I promise. Floyd looked good but wasn't very effective at all. Like I said, the punches weren't really landing except for a few really good shot that floyd landed. just look at oscar's face and look at floyd's face during and after the fight. it tells all
Facial damage is a great way to determine who won the fight.:patsch You don't know dick about boxing.

[Bazooka]

Facial damage is a great way to determine who won the fight.:patsch You don't know dick about boxing.

Yes they do actually, that damage to the face shows you who landed the cleaner harder shots, if it were Floyd we all know Oscars face would have shown that suddenly in this fight Oscar walked away looking un touched that doesnt happen in a DLH fight EVER.

[Brickhaus]

Who gives a shit? Copubox is just something intended to give the AUDIENCE a general idea of how many punches were thrown and landed. It doesn't have any effect on the judges, and any viewer who thinks that that it's always exactly right is either uninformed or a blithering idiot.

As for hitting gloves, there were entire ROUNDS of that fight where Oscar didn't hit anything but gloves and rolling shoulders.

[Pimp C]

Yes they do actually, that damage to the face shows you who landed the cleaner harder shots, if it were Floyd we all know Oscars face would have shown that suddenly in this fight Oscar walked away looking un touched that doesnt happen in a DLH fight EVER.
One punch can cause damage to the face. Facial damage doesn't tell the whole story.:deal
I disagree PBF landed the cleaner harder shots he hurt Oscar twice in that fight once in the 5th and again in the 11th. Oscar never hurt PBF in that fight.

[Thread Stealer]

Facial damage is a great way to determine who won the fight.:patsch You don't know dick about boxing.

Yes they do actually, that damage to the face shows you who landed the cleaner harder shots, if it were Floyd we all know Oscars face would have shown that suddenly in this fight Oscar walked away looking un touched that doesnt happen in a DLH fight EVER.


It can be misleading not only because of body punches, but because some guys just swell, cut, or bruise more than others.

I had Taylor ahead 7-2 after nine against Chavez, but Taylor's face was already showing the signs of all the subtle punishment by then and Chavez didn't look that bad at all in terms of facial damage.

[Pimp C]

It can be misleading not only because of body punches, but because some guys just swell, cut, or bruise more than others.

I had Taylor ahead 7-2 after nine against Chavez, but Taylor's face was already showing the signs of all the subtle punishment by then and Chavez didn't look that bad at all in terms of facial damage.
Exactly!:good

[Bazooka]

But lets also keep in mind you could clearly see Taylor was getting hit he actually fought like a man! Floyd its hard to tell the way he moves his head, but irregardless if you hit the arms and biceps those count as well if you jab a man in his shoulder that counts to it doesnt have to be all head shots or all body shots

[Thread Stealer]

One thing I wonder about is if Floyd is one of those guys who swells or bruises easily.

He wasn't getting caught that often against Emannuel Burton/Augustus, he did get hit with some decent shots, but not a whole lot, but his nose was bloody. Mayweather was beating the stuffing out of Ndou, and took some shots in return, but not too many, and I remember Larry Merchant commenting that Floyd had bruises on both sides of his face. Floyd also had a bruise under his right eye against Baldomir, and I can only Baldomir really landing some body shots and right hands, but only a left hook or two that would land on that side of his face, but Floyd had a bruise under his eye as well. Maybe it was a clash of heads. Floyd took some shots against Oscar, neither guy really did much damage, but needed to wear some stunna shades on Jay Leno a day later.

Floyd does get hit like any fighter, but he's very slick and doesn't get hit very often....I wonder if he's someone who bruises or swells easily.

[Bazooka]

He got hit a hell of alot by Castillo in the first fight no swelling there so I would say no!

[Ramshall1]

I trust my own eyes more.

[Shake]

I honestly believe Floyd won the fight. It was close, because Oscar couldn't and Mayweather either wouldn't or couldn't.

His left hook was blocked by Oscar nearly all the time, sometimes impressively. Mayweather punches fast, but Oscar seemed to see them. I attribute it to the lack of variety in Mayweather when he's first to get off. He doesn't make that much angles or combinations.

Defensively, though, he's a joy to watch. And he can counterpunch with the best of 'em.

[Bazooka]

ffloyd fucked carlito and bazooka's moms and sisters, thus - the beef

Ban this bitch

[Bazooka]

aww are you gonna tell on me?

Tell on you for what, keep doing what your doing son, youll find your way out soon enough!

[Thread Stealer]

He got hit a hell of alot by Castillo in the first fight no swelling there so I would say no!

He didn't get hit that much by Castillo. He did a good job of slipping most of the head shots. Most of the good work Castillo did was to the body.

[nervousxtian]

I'd say there is 24 guys who don't think PBF pitter pats.

Ask Sharmba Mitchell how "light" Floyd hits.. or better yet... ask Arturo Gatti.

[Irish Steel]

Compubox is a bullshit system anyways, and it can work this way with many fighters.

Seems to me that anyone who fights Winky will get credit for punches that dont land. If you use a high guard, like a Winky, Quartay, Clottey, or Ward, your going to be penalized by the compubox system which is predicated by people in the audience with bad angles, reacting to the oohs and ahhs of the fans and counting what they think are landed punches.

I agree! I think in ward vs gatti 3, ward should have won it. 2 of course was gatti's all the way. what a one sided beating.

[KO Boxing]

If you listed to Bob Sheridan´s broadcast he repeatedly says it
Oh my, that's a big mistake in itself

[KO Boxing]

I agree! I think in ward vs gatti 3, ward should have won it. 2 of course was gatti's all the way. what a one sided beating.
No way Ward won the third Gatti fight

[Thread Stealer]

I agree! I think in ward vs gatti 3, ward should have won it. 2 of course was gatti's all the way. what a one sided beating.

:lol:

Ward won two rounds, the round when Gatti hurt his hand, and when Ward scored a late KD after getting outboxed (as usual) for the first 2:55 of the round.

Did you graduate from the Eugenia Williams/Duane Ford school of judging?

[Toopretty]

well as I said with the winky and JT fight if A guy has his guard up high in front like oscar did and you see floyd throw a lead right or hook and you see Oscars head snap...he got hit...he caught alot of punches but he got hit alot..not flush but hit....A punch does not have to land completely clean to count. Floyd usually lands a lot cleaner but oscar showed good defense and strategy. But with floyd Oscar clearly did not hit him I mean he missed everything ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY DO A REPLAY..YOU SEE FLOYD SLIP SLIDE AND BLOCK ALMOST EVERY SHOT BUT ONE OR TWO IN EVERY SINGLE FLURRY. That being said compubox is bullshit but ODH benefited as well.. What other fighter in the history of boxing other then pernell whitaker can throw 38 punches a round and still win a fight clearly..wow..other mop bucket bums have to throw 80 punches a round to land 15..it is what it is..but the landed is what counts. IF YOUR DICK GET HARD FROM WATCHING A GUY THROW A LOT OF PUNCHES....GUESS WHAT YOU ARE GAY...PURE HOMO LIKE THAT BAMBI AVATAR MOTHER FUCKER

[Toopretty]

You forgot to mention the influence Floyd's smiling while being trapped on the ropes as Oscar was unloading on him had on the outcome of the fight.


Apparently that was enough for Floyd to win some close rounds and absolute proof he owned Oscar, if you listen to some here on ESB.


Whenever I see a fighter smile after getting hit it usually means - "that hurt, but I'll pretend it didn't"...but hey these PBF nuthuggers sure are an unbiased, knowledgable lot. I'm sure they know better


Anyhow, I agree with what the threadstarter posted. Floyd was given credit for punches he didn't land. The compubox numbers were ridiculous, no way he landed even close to that many punches. He gets commended for his accuracy during the fight, but he hit so much glove, and Oscar had him at times swinging at air and blocked so many of his punches. 43% can't be right, even if the pitty pat jabs were counted. And the power punch numbers were even more absurd.


I've seen the fight a few times, I thought Oscar won, tho I won't say he won it clearly I can see how some think Floyd won. But Floyd sure as hell didn't win it as convincingly as some are making out, and definately not by the score HBO had him winning by.

I honestly believe HBO relied on the punch stats when splitting close rounds.

I've seen two other telecasts which didn't focus too much on punch stats (Sky UK with Ian Darke and Jim Watt, Sky Australia with Bob Sheridan), and every commentater and analyst who kept a score on those telecasts (i think it was 6-7) had it by 1-2 points either way, while Bob Sheridan had it a draw and said he couldn't split 'em. A lot different from HBO

The Colonel also mentioned at one stage when the compubox numbers came up he didn't see Mayweather land all the punches he was being credited with. Sky UK didn't show any punch stats at all, and Ian Darke commented he didn't know what fight those at HBO were watching having it a Floyd landslide and that it was a real close fight.


It was a close fight. IMO, there weren't that many clear cut rounds for either fighter, and there were quite a few which could've gone either way. I know a close fight when I see one.


YOU ARE THE DUMBEST BITCH ON THIS THREAD...PITTY PATTY BUT ALMOST DROPPED OSCARS ASS WHEN OSCAR WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THOSE MEANINGLESS FLURRIES THAT NO PUNCHES LANDED CLEAN AT ALL GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE..YOU DUMB ASS..THE MORE YOU REPLAY THE SHIT AND ODH ...."BIG MOMENTS" YOU SEE HE DID NOT HIT FLOYD WITH ANYTHING BUT 5 RIGHT HANDS AND A FEW JABS..AND ONE LEFT HOOK..YOU CAN COUNT ALL OF HIS FUCKING PUNCHES HE LANDED IN THAT FIGHT...FLOYD WAS SNAPPING OSCARS HEAD BACK WITH HIS GUARD UP SO SOME OF THOSE SHOTS GOT THROUGH..MOST ..ESPECIALLY IN THE LATER ROUNDS WHEN OSCAR WAS TOAST..FLOYD IN THE FUCKING REPLAY WAS SMILING AND WAS TURNING WHILE OSCAR WAS THROWING THOSE FAGGOT ASS BULLSHIT HOLD WITH THE RIGHT HIT WITH THE LEFT SLAP SHOTS AND WHERE HITTING MOSTLEY ELBOW AND FLOYD WAS NOT HURT AT ALL B/C HE WAITED FOR ODH TO FINISH THAT BULLSHIT AND POPPED HIM AS SOON AS THEY BROKE FREE AND PROCEEDED TO TAG HIM...DUMB ASS...ODH WON..LOL......:hand:hand:hand:hand:piss:piss:piss:piss:piss:piss:piss:piss:piss:piss:piss:piss:ass:a ss:ass:ass:ass:ass:ass:ass:ass:ass:ass:ass:ass:ass:ass:ass

[Duende]

There's a flipside to this Compubox thing when it concerns Floyds defense. Sometimes it may look like he's getting tagged, but when you see the slowmo you can actually see him slipping every punch just enough to not get hit properly. I thought his defense in the Oscar fight was magnificent. He didn't run, had Oscars respect after the few first left hooks and was able to slip most punches while standing in front of Oscar. To Oscar's credit, he blocked a lot of punches too and made a great effort at his age. He made it close.

[IrnBruMan]

Olympic/amateur scoring method - has no place in the pro ranks

[dyolf82]

You can say this and that about Floyd... the man wins and has nearly perfected this science. the game is to hit and not be hit by any means. everyone has their own style, gatti was a champ with his and floyd is the champ with his( read in between the lines on this) as for compubox the hell wit it.

[dyolf82]

I got a question jack, before i start I want to say that I am a fan of boxing not any particular person. anyway, people say that pbf shoudln't get points for the soft punches he lands but should oscar have gotten points for all the slapping? hell he wouldn't have even deserved points for that style of fighting on an amateur level.