Do you blame Maskaev for wanting the typical 75%-25% split?

[RUSKULL]

Do you blame Maskaev for wanting the typical 75%-25% split?

Please vote & explain your position.

[El Bombasto]

I thought he was asking for 60-40

[RAMPAGE0017]

Not at all. He's the champion, he has a right to the bigger purse. There's really nothing more to say aside from that.. if Peter's jerk-off handlers want the title shot so bad, then you gotta sacrifice a little to get ahead in the sport. You can't say " Oh, we demand a title shot, and we demand these arrangements as well ".

[brooklyn1550]

He's the champion - he deserves it without a doubt

[RUSKULL]

I thought he was asking for 60-40

I thought he wanted the typical, mediated split of 75-25% that the champion is usually granted at arbitration.

If he only expected to get 60-40% of an edge than Peter is seriously touching himself if he thinks it's Maskaev's fault they aren't fighting IMO. What are Peter's promoters thinking? It's not like Peter is a household name & deserves top billing or something.

[RAMPAGE0017]

I thought he wanted the typical, mediated split of 75-25% that the champion is usually granted at arbitration.

If he only expected to get 60-40% of an edge than Peter is seriously touching himself if he thinks it's Maskaev's fault they aren't fighting IMO. What are Peter's promoters thinking? It's not like Peter is a household name & deserves top billing or something.


If Peter or his backers have a problem with the arrangements then the WBC oughta just give the shot to someone who wants it bad enough. I'm sure Oliver McCall will take any split Maskaev asks for in trade for a title shot.

[Thread Stealer]

Boxers put their lives at risk in this sports and promoters are sleazy pimps.

I don't blame fighters for trying to get every last dollar.

[RUSKULL]

If Peter or his backers have a problem with the arrangements then the WBC oughta just give the shot to someone who wants it bad enough. I'm sure Oliver McCall will take any split Maskaev asks for in trade for a title shot.

I agree & Peter's team seems to have no confidence in him if they are risking a shot for a slightly larger portion.

I mean, if they were so certain that Peter was going to win anyway, why would they be expecting Peter to be such a big draw that he commands more than the usual split.

It's not like he's Tyson or Holyfield, or Forman amking a comeback. :-(

[RUSKULL]

Boxers put their lives at risk in this sports and promoters are sleazy pimps.

I don't blame fighters for trying to get every last dollar.

Don King is the prototypical "Huggy Bear" style, sleazy pimp. Duva too, but to a lessor extent.

[brooklyn1550]

Why doesn't Duva settle for 70-30 and let the fight happen?

[Brickhaus]

No, it's going to be his last big payday anyway, might as well let him get the big split. I thought 70-30 or even 65-35 was more traditional than 75-25 though. 75-25 seems a little extreme in this situation, where the challenger is by far the bigger name.

[SAS2]

Give Oleg the split he deserves as Champ. If he is such an easy target as the Peter team feels, then I don't see the problem. If Peter destroys him, then its a huge payday for Peter (75%) vs potentially Vitali, and we all know that fight will sell anywhere.

This situation reeks of Don King...

[RUSKULL]

He beat a former HW champion twice by KO, & both times dramatically, isn't that worth something?

How many of you guys don't have a copy of the ending of Maskaev vs. Rahman 1? Even if it's just the short, one punch clip? One of the most memorable KO's I ever saw!

Okay, okay, props to Peter for his highlight reel KO of Jeremy Williams, but Oleg has the freakin' belt and Peter is getting an opportunity to challenge OM for it. This may be Oleg's last hurrah and he has the right to "cash out" IMO.

Fuck King, Duva & Peter too, Oleg Maskaev deserves a big payday for his troubles...............

The Russman has spoken. :cool:

[brooklyn1550]

Everybody is contributing to this WBC mess, you can't just put it on one guy, but Maskaev should get his payday and then the fight could go on.

[RUSKULL]

No, it's going to be his last big payday anyway, might as well let him get the big split. I thought 70-30 or even 65-35 was more traditional than 75-25 though. 75-25 seems a little extreme in this situation, where the challenger is by far the bigger name.



That's the point, it's always possible that the guy holding the belt before the fight isn't holding it after, and that's why the Champion should get the standard arbitrated amount of 75%. :deal

And no way is Peter "By far the bigger name" either. Peter ain't shit yet. Stop giving him credit for a brutal KO against Maskaev before it even happens dammit!

[Brickhaus]

That's the point, it's always possible that the guy holding the belt before the fight isn't holding it after, and that's why the Champion should get the standard arbitrated amount of 75%. :deal

And no way is Peter "By far the bigger name" either. Peter ain't shit yet. Stop giving him credit for a brutal KO against Maskaev before ir even happens dammit!


Nobody's giving him credit for the KO. He's been on American TV more recently, he's been hyped by all the publications more, and Maskaev spent years as an anonymous journeyman, and in the wake of his one big win, he's fought a cupcake in a boring fight that nobody watched and sat around with a thumb up his ass for a year. I didn't say he was the better boxer, I said he is the bigger NAME. He's more marketable than Maskaev.

I also did not see a shred of evidence to refute the suggestion that the standard split is not 75/25. Of course Maskaev should get the lion's share, but 75/25 seems extreme to me.

[RUSKULL]

Give Oleg the split he deserves as Champ. If he is such an easy target as the Peter team feels, then I don't see the problem. If Peter destroys him, then its a huge payday for Peter (75%) vs potentially Vitali, and we all know that fight will sell anywhere.

This situation reeks of Don King...

Peach on Brother SAS2! :hh

[A-50]

Nope. He is getting screwed. I would drop the WBC and try and fight Wlad for the Ring Magazine Belt.

[Shpion]

As I mentioned in previous post Maskaev and his team are idiots. They should have taken the unification fight with Vladimir and cashed out then. But no, the got greedy and the went for Okhello first with the hope to milk that cahmp "cow" as much as possible and now they are paying for it. That being said, Maskaev deserves the customary split which is to the best of my knoweldge is 70/30 and if he does not get it he needs to sue that sorry ass scheme named WBC.

[Hrak]

Dino Duva and Don King are the biggest scumbags in boxing today. DKP, Duva productions and Maskaevs promoters Rappaport all bid to host the fight. Dino Duva came in first, DKP second and Rappaport third. Dino defaulted on his bid, and since DKP and Dino both have rights on peter, donk kings bid didnt count and Rappaport was supose to host the fight. But the WBC granted it to Don king. Thats why the fights not being made. An interviewer on Btalk asked Dino this and Dino changed the subject, completley dodging the question.

[psychopath]

Do you blame Maskaev for wanting the typical 75%-25% split?

Please vote & explain your position.

What explanation do you need . . . it's right there in your choices. :roll:

He's the champ and he deserves it just like any other champ.

[RUSKULL]

Nobody's giving him credit for the KO. He's been on American TV more recently, he's been hyped by all the publications more, and Maskaev spent years as an anonymous journeyman, and in the wake of his one big win, he's fought a cupcake in a boring fight that nobody watched and sat around with a thumb up his ass for a year. I didn't say he was the better boxer, I said he is the bigger NAME. He's more marketable than Maskaev.

I also did not see a shred of evidence to refute the suggestion that the standard split is not 75/25. Of course Maskaev should get the lion's share, but 75/25 seems extreme to me.

What percentage due you personally feel is proper? 65-35% sounds fair & reasonable doesn't it?

[Brickhaus]

Dino Duva and Don King are the biggest scumbags in boxing today. DKP, Duva productions and Maskaevs promoters Rappaport all bid to host the fight. Dino Duva came in first, DKP second and Rappaport third. Dino defaulted on his bid, and since DKP and Dino both have rights on peter, donk kings bid didnt count and Rappaport was supose to host the fight. But the WBC granted it to Don king. Thats why the fights not being made. An interviewer on Btalk asked Dino this and Dino changed the subject, completley dodging the question.

DKP doesn't have rights on Peter, just Don King himself owns half of Duva Productions. That's where the dispute is, and that's very much in the gray area.

[Brickhaus]

What percentage due you personally feel is proper? 65-35% sounds fair & reasonable doesn't it?

Absolutely.

[RUSKULL]

What explanation do you need . . . it's right there in your choices. :roll:

He's the champ and he deserves it just like any other champ.

That's all I'm saying. Maskaev should be forced to defend against Samuel Peter for better than a near 50% split.

[RUSKULL]

Absolutely.

So it setlled, now who has these guys phone #'s so we can let them know we've sorted it all out for them. :yep

[psychopath]

That's all I'm saying. Maskaev should be forced to defend against Samuel Peter for better than a near 50% split.

Yeah buddy . . . should be forced to defend his title "inside the rules" that the boxing body themselves made. :yep The rule says 75%/25% for the champ so they cannot force the title holder to accept payment less than that or otherwise if the challenger refused the same arrangement then he should lose his mandatory challenger status. :D

Isn't that logical?

[brooklyn1550]

So it setlled, now who has these guys phone #'s so we can let them know we've sorted it all out for them. :yep

Ding has Duva's phone number:lol:

[Shpion]

Yeah buddy . . . should be forced to defend his title "inside the rules" that the boxing body themselves made. :yep The rule says 75%/25% for the champ so they cannot force the title holder to accept payment less than that or otherwise if the challenger refused the same arrangement then he should lose his mandatory challenger status. :D

Isn't that logical?


Logic is a prohibited term by the abc scams and promoters.

[RUSKULL]

Am I wrong here? :huh

I'm pretty sure that when a puse goes to arbitration the defending Champion, who has the belt the line & therefore his earning potential, gets a 75-25% split of the proceeds.

That's standard isn't it? Unless 1 of the fighters is named Tyson or something anyway.....................

[markbrooklyn]

No I don't blame him for wanting what every other champion gets which is the 75%/25% split.. He fought better competition and has the belt and beat the better competition.. Peter hasnt really beat anyone other then a fat and out of shape James Toney. I'd do the same if i was in his position.

[RUSKULL]

If his handlers feel is so great & he 's gonna win anyway why doesn't he just take the shot & earn the next big payday rights?

[huki]

Of course he deserves it. Unfortunately, Maskaev never cared about the business side of boxing and he's always had problems with managers/promoters throughout his career. Rappaport is an idiot and Don King is sneaky as hell so that's why this is such a mess.

[brooklyn1550]

why doesn't he just take the shot & earn the next big payday rights?

Greed

[Ding]

When you become the mandatory challenger the split is different from a voluntary defence(traditional).

[Heavyrighthand]

Not at all. He's the champion, he has a right to the bigger purse. There's really nothing more to say aside from that.. if Peter's jerk-off handlers want the title shot so bad, then you gotta sacrifice a little to get ahead in the sport. You can't say " Oh, we demand a title shot, and we demand these arrangements as well ".

:good I think anyone would agree that Maskaev deserves what is rightfully his.

Good to see he and Rappaport have the balls to stand up for what's right.

[psychopath]

Logic is a prohibited term by the abc scams and promoters.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:good

[psychopath]

Am I wrong here? :huh

I'm pretty sure that when a puse goes to arbitration the defending Champion, who has the belt the line & therefore his earning potential, gets a 75-25% split of the proceeds.

That's standard isn't it? Unless 1 of the fighters is named Tyson or something anyway.....................

You are absolutely right. :yep :good

So as I was saying Masky deserves it. :D

[Heavyrighthand]

I agree & Peter's team seems to have no confidence in him if they are risking a shot for a slightly larger portion.



:good Good point and I agree.

If they are so confident in Peter's winning, why not accept the fair and usual split, and realize that they'll make alot more, ten fold, when they win the title that Peter supposedly has in the bag?

Their actions don't correlate with their statement on their supposed confidence in Peter. That Iglosov dude has said that Peter would certainly win the fight, so then if that's the case, why demand an unfair purse split, instead of taking a fair split, winning the title, and then going on to make much more with it in the future?

:blood Peter's crew is one bunch that the sport could do without. That whole crew needs to be ejected.

[Asterion]

Maskaev deserves 75-25.

[2smart4u]

Not at all. He's the champion, he has a right to the bigger purse. There's really nothing more to say aside from that.. if Peter's jerk-off handlers want the title shot so bad, then you gotta sacrifice a little to get ahead in the sport. You can't say " Oh, we demand a title shot, and we demand these arrangements as well ".:good

[Stezzie]

Give Oleg the split he deserves as Champ. If he is such an easy target as the Peter team feels, then I don't see the problem. If Peter destroys him, then its a huge payday for Peter (75%) vs potentially Vitali, and we all know that fight will sell anywhere.

This situation reeks of Don King...

Mask has screwed around long enough...this fight should have happened months ago. The last thing I would want was someone screwing with my title shot, making me fight double eliminators, the paper champ trying to make other fights, bullshiting for 6 months, trying everything possible to avoid the fight...then commanding 75% when your not even a draw because you feel you are entitled to it? That's the point when put your foot down and say cut the bullshit...It is not going down that way...Anyone who can't understand that must have a distorded thought process. It's pretty clear to see who is scared shitless. Who knows an ass beating will be in the next fight even if he could get out of fighting his mandatory. His brain is focused on milking his ass beating for all its worth cause this it. After this next fight Mask is going to disappear like a fart in the wind.:good

[dyolf82]

hell na I don't blame him he should get the majority cause he's going or would have taken a beaten even if he won... i.e. klitschko?????:!:

[RAMPAGE0017]

Mask has screwed around long enough...this fight should have happened months ago. The last thing I would want was someone screwing with my title shot, making me fight double eliminators, the paper champ trying to make other fights, bullshiting for 6 months, trying everything possible to avoid the fight...then commanding 75% when your not even a draw because you feel you are entitled to it? That's the point when put your foot down and say cut the bullshit...It is not going down that way...Anyone who can't understand that must have a distorded thought process. It's pretty clear to see who is scared shitless. Who knows an ass beating will be in the next fight even if he could get out of fighting his mandatory. His brain is focused on milking his ass beating for all its worth cause this it. After this next fight Mask is going to disappear like a fart in the wind.:good

Maskaev has screwed around how so? How's he screwing around with Peter's title shot? All's he has to do is meet Maskaev's FAIR demands and the title shot is his. The Peter camp hasn't stopped bitching since the moment that they came into the title picture. They bitched when they had to give Toney a rematch, they bitched when Vitali came back into the picture, and through it all Peter is finally getting a chance at the title, and what's his camp doing? They're STILL bitching, only this time it's because they're unhappy with the standard split which a challenger usually gets when face the champion. Perhaps they'll feel better if Maskaev handed Peter the belt on a silver platter.

[Bubba]

Maskaev should get 80-20 split!!

[C Money]

i say 75/25 is ridiculous in any championship fight. 65/35 should be max:good 60/40 is the most realistic option and if its higher than 65/35, it shouldnt be a CHAMpionship event.

[Asterion]

There's a recent interview where Dino Duva talks. They ask him about the problems with the split purse and the problems about Don King promoting the fight. He doesn't answer with facts, he only says that Rappaport is crazy, but his response does not have substance because he knows he is wrong and that...1) King shouldn't be able to promote that fight in the first place and 2) Maskaev should get more than 55%.

[RUSKULL]

When you become the mandatory challenger the split is different from a voluntary defence(traditional).

Thanks for answering my question with an answer that actually makes some sense.

Okay, if Peter was a voluntary the split would be 75-25% but since he's the mandatory isn't more like 65-35 or at least 60-40? You'd probably know more than us :yep

I think 55-35% is giving Peter more star power than he's actually earned IMO. I mean both fighters have highlight reel material KO's over their opponents so what makes Peter so special?

Sam Peter has yet to KO a top 10 Heavy, Oleg has on several occasions.

[Ambition_Def]

Dino Duva won the right to make this fight. Don King came in second and then Duva defaulted to DKP to promote the fight. I believe this was well within their rights to do so as DKP was second anyhow.

Then the WBC made the ruling of the 55/35 split. Based entirely on the fact that A) Sam Peter had to fight 2 eliminators and B) Sam Peter waited through negotiations of a Klitschko-Maskaev fight.

Rappaport knew of the 55/45 split MONTHS ago, and the following excerpt takes note of it.

"I hope that comes to fruition," Gotzev said. "Hopefully, the contracts will be signed on time. That is the perfect date. I hope it doesn't get pushed back to September."


"We're ready to do it any time," Rappaport told ESPN.com as he was boarding a flight for New York from Mexico City, where he attended the purse bid. "The fight is taking place. We're looking forward to it now. July 7 is one possible date and that would be terrific with us. I'm not 100 percent certain that will be the date, but I hope it is."


Under the WBC's ruling, Maskaev (34-5, 26 KOs), as titleholder is entitled to 55 percent of the winning bid ($1,760,550). Peter (28-1, 22 KOs) gets the remaining 45 percent ($1,440,450).


The usual split is 70-30 in favor of the champion, but Peter got a larger chunk for this fight based on the fact that he won two eliminators against James Toney and for agreeing to step aside to allow Maskaev to fight Vitali Klitschko until that deal fell apart. "- Dan Rafael

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Rappaport and Maskaev now have raised some new beef, no doubt in hopes to once again put this fight on hold. It is actually no surprise to me now that they only went forward with the purse bid because they could no longer hold it up there. Now the charlatans are back in action again trying to delay the inevitable.

The WBC needs to end this now and force Maskaev to sign the contract or face being stripped. Enough is enough already.

[pit]

Nope utter bullshit no fighter today can demand a 75- 25 especially when you consider his name is no bigger then Peter's.

[RUSKULL]

Dino Duva won the right to make this fight. Don King came in second and then Duva defaulted to DKP to promote the fight. I believe this was well within their rights to do so as DKP was second anyhow.

Then the WBC made the ruling of the 55/35 split. Based entirely on the fact that A) Sam Peter had to fight 2 eliminators and B) Sam Peter waited through negotiations of a Klitschko-Maskaev fight.

Rappaport knew of the 55/45 split MONTHS ago, and the following excerpt takes note of it.

"I hope that comes to fruition," Gotzev said. "Hopefully, the contracts will be signed on time. That is the perfect date. I hope it doesn't get pushed back to September."


"We're ready to do it any time," Rappaport told ESPN.com as he was boarding a flight for New York from Mexico City, where he attended the purse bid. "The fight is taking place. We're looking forward to it now. July 7 is one possible date and that would be terrific with us. I'm not 100 percent certain that will be the date, but I hope it is."


Under the WBC's ruling, Maskaev (34-5, 26 KOs), as titleholder is entitled to 55 percent of the winning bid ($1,760,550). Peter (28-1, 22 KOs) gets the remaining 45 percent ($1,440,450).


The usual split is 70-30 in favor of the champion, but Peter got a larger chunk for this fight based on the fact that he won two eliminators against James Toney and for agreeing to step aside to allow Maskaev to fight Vitali Klitschko until that deal fell apart. "- Dan Rafael

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Rappaport and Maskaev now have raised some new beef, no doubt in hopes to once again put this fight on hold. It is actually no surprise to me now that they only went forward with the purse bid because they could no longer hold it up there. Now the charlatans are back in action again trying to delay the inevitable.

The WBC needs to end this now and force Maskaev to sign the contract or face being stripped. Enough is enough already.

Nice work. It sheds some light on why the WBC would grant such a large chunk to the challenger. I still don't agree with the percentage though, it seems a bit extreme for only beating Toney, once convincingly.

[Ambition_Def]

Nice work. It sheds some light on why the WBC would grant such a large chunk to the challenger. I still don't agree with the percentage though, it seems a bit extreme for only beating Toney, once convincingly.

Well think about it like this.

You fight a mandatory, and you suspect immediately your next fight will be for a championship. That fight even though a 35% split for you will probably be higher than fighting someone else. Lo and behold you are set to face the same guy again, with a similar purse. Ok, so you lost a bit of money there, not just whatever was smaller in the purse itself, but also the second sanctioning fee.

But then you step aside months so two other guys can work out a deal to fight for the title you just earned the shot at 2 times over. Those are months lost you could have been fighting yet again.

So essentially this mess has cost you 2 sanctioning fees, one purse which wasn't as big as the purse that you should have shared a split in, and then months of inactivity where nobody is getting paid. Yet you still have to pay trainers, etc.

Sam Peter has likely been paying people out of his pocket ever since this garbage started. I remember a comment from Hasim Rahman about what he had to pay out of hand when Vitlay Klitschko made him wait.

The 55-45% sounds like justice to me.

[diamondDave]

There should be no question on this one...Maskaev koed Rahman who held the WBC belt...therefore he should recieve the typical champions share for the defense...the story might be different if Maskaev was just declared the belt holder or won the title when it was vacant...but he didn't he beat the man who had the title!

[El Bombasto]

Well think about it like this.

You fight a mandatory, and you suspect immediately your next fight will be for a championship. That fight even though a 35% split for you will probably be higher than fighting someone else. Lo and behold you are set to face the same guy again, with a similar purse. Ok, so you lost a bit of money there, not just whatever was smaller in the purse itself, but also the second sanctioning fee.

But then you step aside months so two other guys can work out a deal to fight for the title you just earned the shot at 2 times over. Those are months lost you could have been fighting yet again.

So essentially this mess has cost you 2 sanctioning fees, one purse which wasn't as big as the purse that you should have shared a split in, and then months of inactivity where nobody is getting paid. Yet you still have to pay trainers, etc.

Sam Peter has likely been paying people out of his pocket ever since this garbage started. I remember a comment from Hasim Rahman about what he had to pay out of hand when Vitlay Klitschko made him wait.

The 55-45% sounds like justice to me.

I don't see why Maskaev should be held accountable for the fact that Peter had to fight Toney twice.

[avk47]

No I do not blame Oleg. He trod a long and hard path to the title, and he earned every little reward that comes with it. Oleg is a sensible man who is just trying to get his due, and to fulfill his duties by providing for his family. I just hope he doesn't get fucked over for doing so.

[avk47]

and moreover, this would be one of his last fights. Maskaev is putting his health on the line and he wants to cash to the highest possible extent.

[RAMPAGE0017]

No I do not blame Oleg. He trod a long and hard path to the title, and he earned every little reward that comes with it. Oleg is a sensible man who is just trying to get his due, and to fulfill his duties by providing for his family. I just hope he doesn't get fucked over for doing so.


Yeah man. Maskaev deserves atleast one significant payday to set himself and his family up for the rest of their lives. People just dismiss him as a bum, yet they ignore the fact that's he's been thrown to the dogs quite a bit in his career. For fuck's sake, they threw him to Oliver McCall in only his seventh pro fight! I think it's safe to say that Maskaev's been used quite a bit throughout his career, and through it all has accomplished the unthinkable.

Maskaev has more to lose out of this deal, so he wants to get as much out of it as he can. Sam Peter on the other hand is the industry's little golden boy, and has practically every big-shot in the sport backing him up.

[avk47]

Yeah man. Maskaev deserves atleast one significant payday to set himself and his family up for the rest of their lives. People just dismiss him as a bum, yet they ignore the fact that's he's been thrown to the dogs quite a bit in his career. For fuck's sake, they threw him to Oliver McCall in only his seventh pro fight! I think it's safe to say that Maskaev's been used quite a bit throughout his career, and through it all has accomplished the unthinkable.

Maskaev has more to lose out of this deal, so he wants to get as much out of it as he can. Sam Peter on the other hand is the industry's little golden boy, and has practically every big-shot in the sport backing him up.

Exactly, which is why I admire the man. He was used badly and rediculously overmatched too early on. I think at his best Maskaev was very talented and could have gone a lot further had his management actually cared about his career. Fights like the Tua one show Maskaev boxing very well and then being stopped. I used to think he just wasn't blessed with a good chin, but then if you look at him he has a thick neck and a square jaw, and moreover, he has taken some big shots and remained standing. I think how he was rushed just broke down his confidence while he was still young, and made him freeze when being clocked. He needed to get older to overcome it, and that he didn't give up and achieved his dream is incredible.

[Shpion]

I don't see why Maskaev should be held accountable for the fact that Peter had to fight Toney twice.

I posted the same comment earlier and nobody wanted to address it. WBC should compensate OM for the incompetence. I am no OM fan by any means and actualy prefer for Peter to beat him if they actualy meet, but if this situation was vice versa where Peter would be getting 55/45 being a champ, the media and some people on this board would be screaming racism and all kinds of other different rubbish.

[avk47]

And in terms of boxing, a young Maskaev was more talented than Peter, and he can and could punch too, I don't know how hard relative to Peter, but he is definitly a puncher. If Oleg had his career built up like Peter's was, he'd have been fighting for titles much earlier.

[CASH_718]

Do you blame Maskaev for wanting the typical 75%-25% split?

Please vote & explain your position.It seems fair but I just hate him so much I can't take his side.

Maskeav sucks!!!!!!!!

[Ambition_Def]

I don't see why Maskaev should be held accountable for the fact that Peter had to fight Toney twice.

I do because he's directly responsible for Peter being out of action for this entire year.

He and his camp attempted to negotiate with Vitlay, that wasn't Sam's fault, that was Rappaport, Maskaev and Vitlay.

For whatever reason Sam had to fight for the mandatory twice. That may or may not have something to do with camp Maskaev but for whatever it's worth Sam deserves to get paid.

Time is money, especially when you are a boxer because you have to stay in shape. As far as camp Peter knew they were going right after a title post-Toney. No break time right back in the gym. Trainers have to get paid, managers, etc. At least 6 of the past 7 months have been drained by Maskaev and his people alone.

I feel no sympathy for them. If Rappaport wasn't such a stupid son of a bitch Maskaev wouldn't be in this position. He would have had a 75-25 split had he just taken the fight instead of Okhello. Granted he had the right to an optional defense, but knowing what WBC was doing makes him an accomplice to his own demise.

And Rappaport knew again the 55-45 split back when the purse bid was won months ago. Again, no sympathy for the devil.

[Malph]

He is at the end of his career. Why should'nt he negotiate hard and get what money he can for himself and his family? Boxing is a tough sport. Careers are short. You got to make the money when you are in a position to.
I would not fault any man for that.

[RAMPAGE0017]

I do because he's directly responsible for Peter being out of action for this entire year.

He and his camp attempted to negotiate with Vitlay, that wasn't Sam's fault, that was Rappaport, Maskaev and Vitlay.

For whatever reason Sam had to fight for the mandatory twice. That may or may not have something to do with camp Maskaev but for whatever it's worth Sam deserves to get paid.

Time is money, especially when you are a boxer because you have to stay in shape. As far as camp Peter knew they were going right after a title post-Toney. No break time right back in the gym. Trainers have to get paid, managers, etc. At least 6 of the past 7 months have been drained by Maskaev and his people alone.

I feel no sympathy for them. If Rappaport wasn't such a stupid son of a bitch Maskaev wouldn't be in this position. He would have had a 75-25 split had he just taken the fight instead of Okhello. Granted he had the right to an optional defense, but knowing what WBC was doing makes him an accomplice to his own demise.

And Rappaport knew again the 55-45 split back when the purse bid was won months ago. Again, no sympathy for the devil.

The WBC is more responsible than anyone for the BS with Vitali. But even then, remember that the Peter camp was offered 2.5 million to step aside for the possible Vitali/Maskaev fight, and he ALSO would've been offered a 50/50 split to face the winner, so it's not like anyone's been THAT unfair to Sam Peter. That would've been a pretty fucking sweet deal had they accepted, but unfortunately they didn't so.. eh.

[Shpion]

I do because he's directly responsible for Peter being out of action for this entire year.

He and his camp attempted to negotiate with Vitlay, that wasn't Sam's fault, that was Rappaport, Maskaev and Vitlay.

For whatever reason Sam had to fight for the mandatory twice. That may or may not have something to do with camp Maskaev but for whatever it's worth Sam deserves to get paid.

Time is money, especially when you are a boxer because you have to stay in shape. As far as camp Peter knew they were going right after a title post-Toney. No break time right back in the gym. Trainers have to get paid, managers, etc. At least 6 of the past 7 months have been drained by Maskaev and his people alone.

I feel no sympathy for them. If Rappaport wasn't such a stupid son of a bitch Maskaev wouldn't be in this position. He would have had a 75-25 split had he just taken the fight instead of Okhello. Granted he had the right to an optional defense, but knowing what WBC was doing makes him an accomplice to his own demise.

And Rappaport knew again the 55-45 split back when the purse bid was won months ago. Again, no sympathy for the devil.

Here we go again. It is solely WBC fault for creating titles like Emeritus and they should be fully responsible, paying OM the difference of the customary split.

[Ambition_Def]

The WBC is more responsible than anyone for the BS with Vitali. But even then, remember that the Peter camp was offered 2.5 million to step aside for the possible Vitali/Maskaev fight, and he ALSO would've been offered a 50/50 split to face the winner, so it's not like anyone's been THAT unfair to Sam Peter. That would've been a pretty fucking sweet deal had they accepted, but unfortunately they didn't so.. eh.

The WBC stepped aside on the issue.

Camp Peter DID step aside on the promise of getting additional money from their mandatory challenge.

Then Vitlay and Maskaev fruited around with each other months and months and then called it quits.

Who is supposed to pay for the months Sam was out? The months that his mandatory challenge could have come and gone? That is one man alone who is responsible and that is Oleg Maskaev.

The WBC is not gonna pony up cash on a decision that had nothing to do with them. Maybe it is a bit harsh but that is life. Had Maskaev just defended against Sam in the first place there would be no issue.

[Ambition_Def]

Here we go again. It is solely WBC fault for creating titles like Emeritus and they should be fully responsible, paying OM the difference of the customary split.

The WBC did not tell Maskaev to run away from his mandatory to go fight Vitlay. He made that choice on his own. And when the shit fell through months later he didn't want to endure the purse penalty laid out in front of him.

[Shpion]

The WBC did not tell Maskaev to run away from his mandatory to go fight Vitlay. He made that choice on his own. And when the shit fell through months later he didn't want to endure the purse penalty laid out in front of him.

The WBC created the whole mess by promissing Vitaly an imediate title shot- Emeritus, in case of his comeback. So Maskaev tried to get the fight with the much bigger draw - Klitschko than no draw - Peter, to cash out before his retirement, who can blame him for that?

[RAMPAGE0017]

The WBC stepped aside on the issue.

Camp Peter DID step aside on the promise of getting additional money from their mandatory challenge.

Then Vitlay and Maskaev fruited around with each other months and months and then called it quits.

Who is supposed to pay for the months Sam was out? The months that his mandatory challenge could have come and gone? That is one man alone who is responsible and that is Oleg Maskaev.

The WBC is not gonna pony up cash on a decision that had nothing to do with them. Maybe it is a bit harsh but that is life. Had Maskaev just defended against Sam in the first place there would be no issue.

Actually, no.. they didn't step aside. They said they would step aside on the conditions that they got more than 2.5 mil, which is ridiculous so Klitschko bowed out of the situation and said he would fight the winner of Maskaev/Peter.

And not only that but.. 2.5 million would've been more than enough to hold Peter over for the months out. And the WBC didn't even offer him the money, Klitschko's camp did. Here..

The Las Vegas Journal Review is reporting that Samuel Peter has rejected Vitali Klitschko’s offer of $2.5 million to step aside and allow Klitschko to fight Oleg Maskaev for the WBC Heavyweight Title. Peter would also get an immediate title shot against Klitschko directly after.

The WBC has refused to make a decision involving the dispute and has instead ordered a mediation between the three parties. It was at the meeting that Peter rejected Klitschko’s inital offer…

Peter’s promoter Dino Duva said that although Peter rejected the offer, a more lucrative one might change his mind:

“This is a business and you never say never,” Duva said. “But Samuel’s focus is on getting the title shot and winning the belt. Realistically, we’ll consider all options, but for us to consider (stepping aside), it would have to be very, very lucrative and there would have to be strict time deadlines when Maskaev-Klitschko would occur and then when the fight between Sam and the winner would occur.”

[Ambition_Def]

Which by the way, I'll say it yet again for you all to read.

RAPPAPORT KNEW OF THE 55-45 SPLIT MONTHS AGO AT THE PURSE BID.

Rappaport then got on that plane and took off, knowing full well that he A) lost the purse bid and B) his man would get 55%.

What Rappaport and Maskaev are now doing is EVASIVE BITCH MANUVERING, attempting yet again to cite an objection with another phase of the process.

Next thing they will do is call the fight off a week before the actual bell rings. Or the night of. Who really knows with the way these fruity eastern-euros think. He may even be taking plays from Vitlay's playbook on how to avoid a mandatory.

[DamonD]

I don't really blame him, but I just want this damn fight going. The WBC Title is in an unholy quagmire at the moment.

[platnumpapi]

i think he know he aint gone beat peter so why not get as much as he can for the whooping he is about to take from sam.i would do the same.

[Ambition_Def]

2.5 million would've been more than enough to hold Peter over for the months out. And the WBC didn't even offer him the money, Klitschko's camp did. Here..

The Las Vegas Journal Review is reporting that Samuel Peter has rejected Vitali Klitschko’s offer of $2.5 million to step aside and allow Klitschko to fight Oleg Maskaev for the WBC Heavyweight Title. Peter would also get an immediate title shot against Klitschko directly after.

The WBC has refused to make a decision involving the dispute and has instead ordered a mediation between the three parties. It was at the meeting that Peter rejected Klitschko’s inital offer…

Peter’s promoter Dino Duva said that although Peter rejected the offer, a more lucrative one might change his mind:

“This is a business and you never say never,” Duva said. “But Samuel’s focus is on getting the title shot and winning the belt. Realistically, we’ll consider all options, but for us to consider (stepping aside), it would have to be very, very lucrative and there would have to be strict time deadlines when Maskaev-Klitschko would occur and then when the fight between Sam and the winner would occur.”

This is irrelevant. The man who holds the title is Maskaev, NOT Klitschko. It is not his offer to extend.

The fight fell through anyways and do you think the word of mouth held by Klitschko means shit after the fact? It doesn't. Vitlay's word is meaningless in this sport.

And all those months of posturing by those two buffoons meant that Sam was sitting on the sideline. That is Maskaev's fault. He could have very easily told Klitschko to wait his turn. Instead he fell for Klitschko's empty word and is paying the price for it. Not the WBC's fault.

[RAMPAGE0017]

This is irrelevant. The man who holds the title is Maskaev, NOT Klitschko. It is not his offer to extend.


What difference does that make? 2.5 million is 2.5 million....

And some of you are putting Maskaev down for being nard-nosed about the money, yet this is exactly what the Peter camp is doing at this very moment.

[Shpion]

..these fruity eastern-euros think.

You cannot post clean, ah? You are pathetic piece of shit.

[Ambition_Def]

What difference does that make? 2.5 million is 2.5 million....

And some of you are putting Maskaev down for being nard-nosed about the money, yet this is exactly what the Peter camp is doing at this very moment.

I just explained it to you.

Vitlay has absolutely no reason nor guarantee that he will actually pay the 2.5 million for Sam Peter to step aside.

They accept it, but then negotiations fall through. Vitlay has no contractual obligation to pay Sam Peter for stepping aside. Surely, unless he is a retard, a contractual obligation would become null and void should negotiations fail between him and Maskaev.

Which is exactly what happened. End of story : Vitlay suffers no financial loss after months of holding up the WBC title yet again, and holding up both Maskaev and Peter.

The WBC, citing that Maskaev and Rappaport have cost Sam Peter months where he could have fought, citing the payments he has had to make to his people, steps in and remedies the situation. The man who was responsible directly for the interruption in original proceedings was Maskaev. The man who ultimately signs the contract or not is Maskaev.

It is his fault. Like it or not that is life. And that is the business end of the sport.

[Ambition_Def]

You cannot post clean, ah? You are pathetic piece of shit.

Be as it may, Vitlay is an entire SACK of shit and Maskaev isn't looking that good either right now.

Not very good representation for that part of the world to be sure.:hi:

[Heavyrighthand]

Sam Peter has yet to KO a top 10 Heavy, Oleg has on several occasions.

Right. Peter has beaten Toney, and that's the entire jist of his heavyweight career, period.

Not only has Oleg KOed top ten heavies, he's even sent one in particular out of the ring and onto the cold concrete floor.
:good

[RAMPAGE0017]

I just explained it to you.

Vitlay has absolutely no reason nor guarantee that he will actually pay the 2.5 million for Sam Peter to step aside.

They accept it, but then negotiations fall through. Vitlay has no contractual obligation to pay Sam Peter for stepping aside. Surely, unless he is a retard, a contractual obligation would become null and void should negotiations fail between him and Maskaev.

If Klitschko offered Sam Peter 2.5 million to step aside for a TITLE SHOT then yes, a contract would've definitely had been signed. I don't understand how you could think otherwise.


Which is exactly what happened. End of story : Vitlay suffers no financial loss after months of holding up the WBC title yet again, and holding up both Maskaev and Peter.

The WBC, citing that Maskaev and Rappaport have cost Sam Peter months where he could have fought, citing the payments he has had to make to his people, steps in and remedies the situation. The man who was responsible directly for the interruption in original proceedings was Maskaev. The man who ultimately signs the contract or not is Maskaev.

It is his fault. Like it or not that is life. And that is the business end of the sport.

You just said Vitali was holding up the WBC title, so I'm still not sure how this could be Maskaev's fault. Vitali came out of retirement and shoved his way back into the title picture and was waving money in everyone's face, and the WBC was sitting back and allowing it all to go down. You can't blame Maskaev for showing some interest in the offers.

[ripcity]

If 75% to the champion or tittle holder (what ever you want to call him) and 25% to the chalenger is the standard than Maskaev has every right to ask for those terms.

[Shpion]

Be as it may, Vitlay is an entire SACK of shit and Maskaev isn't looking that good either right now.

Not very good representation for that part of the world to be sure.:hi:

I am not sure if to call you a plain racist or plain stupid. I know very little about OM but Vitaly who is actively involved in UNESCO and donates millions of dollars out of his fund to kids in Africa, Latin America and other parts of the 3rd world can hardly be called a "SACK of shit" and a bad represantative of the E.Europe. I am sure you hold your master don king at the highest standards though.:hi:

[Ambition_Def]

If Klitschko offered Sam Peter 2.5 million to step aside for a TITLE SHOT then yes, a contract would've definitely had been signed. I don't understand how you could think otherwise.

I said if there were a contract then yes there would be ways out of paying that 2.5 million. Why are you dancing around the issue? Vitlay has to pay Sam Peter NOTHING for the months he held this up. And he gets away with it LEGALLY.

Be less dense please.

You just said Vitali was holding up the WBC title, so I'm still not sure how this could be Maskaev's fault. Vitali came out of retirement and shoved his way back into the title picture and was waving money in everyone's face, and the WBC was sitting back and allowing it all to go down. You can't blame Maskaev for showing some interest in the offers.

It is Maskaev's fault because he pursued the damn fight! Why don't you get that? If the WBC had mandated he drop negotiations with camp Peter and immediately negotiate with Vitlay then yes, the WBC would be directly responsible.

That is not what happened though. With the negotiations falling through Vitlay is cleared of any financial obligations. And that leaves one man. Maskaev. The man who initially was responsible for this in the first place.

This isn't rocket science.

[Ambition_Def]

I am not sure if to call you a plain racist or plain stupid. I know very little about OM but Vitaly who is actively involved in UNESCO and donates millions of dollars out of his fund to kids in Africa, Latin America and other parts of the 3rd world can hardly be called a "SACK of shit" and a bad represantative of the E.Europe. I am sure you hold your master don king at the highest standards though.:hi:

You can call me Sally if it does anything for ya. I don't really care.

Fact of the matter is this is boxing and the man is not good for the sport. He did a number on that title when he ran from Rahman for nearly a year, and decided to interject his sorry ass into the picture again this year, with zero positive results.

And now Maskaev is taking his lead, the piece of shit he is.

[Shpion]

If Klitschko offered Sam Peter 2.5 million to step aside for a TITLE SHOT then yes, a contract would've definitely had been signed. I don't understand how you could think otherwise.




You just said Vitali was holding up the WBC title, so I'm still not sure how this could be Maskaev's fault. Vitali came out of retirement and shoved his way back into the title picture and was waving money in everyone's face, and the WBC was sitting back and allowing it all to go down. You can't blame Maskaev for showing some interest in the offers.

Why are you bothering with this asshole? I think his above comment concludes what he thinks about the E.European people, based on which he makes his opinion.

[RAMPAGE0017]

I said if there were a contract then yes there would be ways out of paying that 2.5 million. Why are you dancing around the issue? Vitlay has to pay Sam Peter NOTHING for the months he held this up. And he gets away with it LEGALLY.

Be less dense please.

No, that's not what you said..

They accept it, but then negotiations fall through. Vitlay has no contractual obligation to pay Sam Peter for stepping aside. Surely, unless he is a retard, a contractual obligation would become null and void should negotiations fail between him and Maskaev.

You claimed that Vitali would have no contractual obligation for Sam Peter stepping aside, and you're accusing me of dancing around the issue? :lol:

Everything I'm saying is factual. Sam Peter should've accepted the offer of 2.5 million. And if he's bold enough to turn down THAT kind've offer, then he must not be as bad off as people think.



It is Maskaev's fault because he pursued the damn fight! Why don't you get that? If the WBC had mandated he drop negotiations with camp Peter and immediately negotiate with Vitlay then yes, the WBC would be directly responsible.

That is not what happened though. With the negotiations falling through Vitlay is cleared of any financial obligations. And that leaves one man. Maskaev. The man who initially was responsible for this in the first place.

This isn't rocket science.

Hold it now.. don't forget that Sam Peter ALSO showed interest in Vitali's offer, but decided to turn it down. He pursued the offers at hand just as much as Maskaev. And the Peter camp can make shit a lot easier on themselves if they just accept the STANDARD split for a title shot. Their stubborness is what's contributing to Maskaev's stubborness to sign the dotted line.

[Ambition_Def]

No, that's not what you said..

They accept it, but then negotiations fall through. Vitlay has no contractual obligation to pay Sam Peter for stepping aside. Surely, unless he is a retard, a contractual obligation would become null and void should negotiations fail between him and Maskaev.

You claimed that Vitali would have no contractual obligation for Sam Peter stepping aside, and you're accusing me of dancing around the issue? :lol:

You are. Re-read both quotes you just posted and figure it out. You do actually understand English yes?

1. Vitlay can make whatever promise of cash he wants.

2. If there is a contract, it becomes VOID when negotiations fall through.

3. The negations fell through. Go back to #2.

Not hard to understand now is it?

Everything I'm saying is factual. Sam Peter should've accepted the offer of 2.5 million. And if he's bold enough to turn down THAT kind've offer, then he must not be as bad off as people think.

What 2.5 million does Vitlay owe Sam Peter now that there is no fight? Do you honestly think he was gonna pay him without a fight? There was NO GUARANTEE.

CAMP PETER DID NOT STOP NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN VITLAY KLITSCHKO AND OLEG MASKAEV. THEY BROKE OFF NEGOTIATIONS THEMSELVES.

There, now you have no excuse to continue this dance of yours.

Hold it now.. don't forget that Sam Peter ALSO showed interest in Vitali's offer, but decided to turn it down. He pursued the offers at hand just as much as Maskaev. And the Peter camp can make shit a lot easier on themselves if they just accept the STANDARD split for a title shot. Their stubborness is what's contributing to Maskaev's stubborness to sign the dotted line.

No, the stubbornness of Camp Maskaev is what has brought all of this out. Sam Peter does not have to accept anyone's promise. Including the worst promise from an untrustworthy offerer.

[RAMPAGE0017]

You are. Re-read both quotes you just posted and figure it out. You do actually understand English yes?

1. Vitlay can make whatever promise of cash he wants.

2. If there is a contract, it becomes VOID when negotiations fall through.

3. The negations fell through. Go back to #2.

Not hard to understand now is it?



What 2.5 million does Vitlay owe Sam Peter now that there is no fight? Do you honestly think he was gonna pay him without a fight? There was NO GUARANTEE.

CAMP PETER DID NOT STOP NEGOTIATIONS BETWEEN VITLAY KLITSCHKO AND OLEG MASKAEV. THEY BROKE OFF NEGOTIATIONS THEMSELVES.

There, now you have no excuse to continue this dance of yours.


Newsflash, a contract IS a guarantee. :good

And no, negotiations NEVER fell through, Maskaev still wanted to fight Vitali.

At this point you're pretty much throwing shit at the wall and seeing what'll stick.



No, the stubbornness of Camp Maskaev is what has brought all of this out. Sam Peter does not have to accept anyone's promise. Including the worst promise from an untrustworthy offerer.

Be that as it may, Maskaev is the champion. Sam Peter has accomplished nothing more than Maskaev, and therefore Maskaev deserves the standard split. Plain and simple.

[Ambition_Def]

Newsflash, a contract IS a guarantee. :good

Newsflash. IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE. Or do you not know what a condition is?

And no, negotiations NEVER fell through, Maskaev still wanted to fight Vitali.

They called off negotiations. Go look it up. Rappaport was tired of Vitlay wanting more and more time, and they told him to go fuck himself.

At this point you're pretty much throwing shit at the wall and seeing what'll stick.

No at this point I've pretty much brought you up to date on REALITY, abiet kicking and screaming.


Be that as it may, Maskaev is the champion. Sam Peter has accomplished nothing more than Maskaev, and therefore Maskaev deserves the standard split. Plain and simple.

Now that we've figured out how YOU feel on the subject. Lets take a look at reality.

1. Maskaev is directly responsible for camp Peter being sidelined for months now.

2. The purse for this fight is 55-45% MANDATED BY THE WBC on a ruling that Maskaev has held this up and cost Sam Peter money. The right thing was done.

3. Your personal feelings were not considered in this decision.

[RAMPAGE0017]

Newsflash. IT IS NOT A GUARANTEE. Or do you not know what a condition is?

I don't and neither do you, because neither of us have seen the contract. :good



They called off negotiations. Go look it up. Rappaport was tired of Vitlay wanting more and more time, and they told him to go fuck himself.

They called off negotiations when Peter refused the step-aside money.





Now that we've figured out how YOU feel on the subject. Lets take a look at reality.

1. Maskaev is directly responsible for camp Peter being sidelined for months now.

2. The purse for this fight is 55-45% MANDATED BY THE WBC on a ruling that Maskaev has held this up and cost Sam Peter money. The right thing was done.

3. Your personal feelings were not considered in this decision.

It's funny how you repeatedly refuse to acknowledge that Peter ALSO took interest in Vitali's offers, and would have accepted them yet wanted more than the 2.5 million offered. Talk about reality.

Try not to be so biased towards Peter and look at the ENTIRE picture rather than one side of it.

[onepunch.net]

When you become the mandatory challenger the split is different from a voluntary defence(traditional).


That is absolutely false. A "voluntary" defense never goes to purse bid. Only a "mandatory" challenger can force a purse bid.

[Ambition_Def]

I would get the link showing you where Rappaport called off the Vitlay fight but I'm busy right now.

If it doesn't show up in 20-30 minutes I'll dig it up, but it is out there for those who aren't lazy.

[Ambition_Def]

And here it is.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]***********.com/?m=show&id=8069

In that article Rappaport explains how a Maskaev-Klitschko contract was set in place, but Klitschko wouldn't sign it. Peter had agreed to take 2.75 million step aside money.

Vitlay Klitschko said he needed more time, and Rappaport had had enough.

"For several weeks, it was said that Maskaev and Klitschko would clash in Moscow on June 2, with Peter receiving $2.75 million to step aside. Rappaport told Rafael that negotiations broke down when Klitschko said that he needed more time to get ready for the fight and would not be able to move forward with a June fight date. "


"The contract was set, the site deal was completed and the insurance policy to cover the $1.5 million was in order," Rappaport said. "Then, all of a sudden, Klitschko doesn't sign the contract. I get a call [Wednesday] morning from Shelly saying Klitschko doesn't think he will be ready June 2, that he needs another few weeks. I said, 'This is insane. All of a sudden, Klitschko doesn't know when the fight is supposed to take place? We've been going over this for eight weeks.' This has been the most frustrating experience." - Dennis Rappaport

[Feiti]

I think it´s sick how alphabet oranizations will set their rules, only to break them at will. The rule is 70 or 75 % for the champion in a mandatory defense, so there is no way the WBC should allow anything else.

[Mr "T"]

i think he know he aint gone beat peter so why not get as much as he can for the whooping he is about to take from sam.i would do the same.:yikes :huh

[RAMPAGE0017]

And here it is.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]***********.com/?m=show&id=8069

In that article Rappaport explains how a Maskaev-Klitschko contract was set in place, but Klitschko wouldn't sign it. Peter had agreed to take 2.75 million step aside money.

Vitlay Klitschko said he needed more time, and Rappaport had had enough.

"For several weeks, it was said that Maskaev and Klitschko would clash in Moscow on June 2, with Peter receiving $2.75 million to step aside. Rappaport told Rafael that negotiations broke down when Klitschko said that he needed more time to get ready for the fight and would not be able to move forward with a June fight date. "


"The contract was set, the site deal was completed and the insurance policy to cover the $1.5 million was in order," Rappaport said. "Then, all of a sudden, Klitschko doesn't sign the contract. I get a call [Wednesday] morning from Shelly saying Klitschko doesn't think he will be ready June 2, that he needs another few weeks. I said, 'This is insane. All of a sudden, Klitschko doesn't know when the fight is supposed to take place? We've been going over this for eight weeks.' This has been the most frustrating experience." - Dennis Rappaport

And what's this supposed to tell me? All's this tells me is that everything was set until Sam Peter decided NOT to take a side-step.

I mean, no matter how many times you try and twist and turn this arguement around on Maskaev, there's always going to be many other factors, and many other people to blame for the constant postponement of the fight. And whether you want to believe it or not, Peter played just as much of a factor in the constant bull-shit that's been surrounding the WBC. He could've easily said " Fuck you, I want my title shot now ", but much like any other normal human being the matter of money made him just a tad bit interested in hearing what Vitali had to offer.

[rodney]

What ever the going rate for a champion/challenger split is, they should take.

Peter is the challenger.

Replace him if he doesnt like the money.

[RUSKULL]

Newsflash, a contract IS a guarantee. :good

And no, negotiations NEVER fell through, Maskaev still wanted to fight Vitali.

At this point you're pretty much throwing shit at the wall and seeing what'll stick.





Be that as it may, Maskaev is the champion. Sam Peter has accomplished nothing more than Maskaev, and therefore Maskaev deserves the standard split. Plain and simple.

Very true, since when is Peter a DRAW?

[RUSKULL]

What ever the going rate for a champion/challenger split is, they should take.

Peter is the challenger.

Replace him if he doesnt like the money.

Exactly. It's not like Peter was worth PPV dollars or anything like that.