Pacquiao will take DLH for $30M minimum!!!!

[PacDbest]

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Pac's opening his mouth Now!!! This fight is going to happen!!!:happy

I think this $30M is reasonable. PBF makes around $25M on that DLH fight. Before DLH, His PPV buys tops only at 375PPV buys. Pac already reach 400K PPV buys without fighting an American & he's not even an American. Pac's appeal is more Global. This also will be for DLH's retirement fight, I'm sure everybody will tune in. Pac also Guarantees your money are well spent. You can't say the same with the Floyd-DLH rematch.

[PacDbest]

Pacquiao sets $30-M condition for De La Hoya fight
April 01, 2008 01:21:00
Salven Lagumbay
Philippine Daily Inquirer

CEBU CITY—For Manny Pacquiao, a fight against Oscar De La Hoya should be worth between $30 million and $40 million, nothing less.

Reacting to a comment that he should get at least $10,000,000 to battle boxing’s poster boy, Pacquiao answered in the negative.

“Hindi naman tama yan (That’s not right),” said Pacquiao, speaking during a yacht cruise here Monday. “Malaking trabaho ang susugurin ko kay (It will be a major task for me to fight) De la Hoya.

“Ang hingi ko lang sana, kapag maglaban kami (If we fight, I’ll ask between) $30 million to $40 million dapat sa akin (for myself). Kawawa naman ako pag nabugbog ako ni Oscar (I would look pitiful if Oscar bowls me over.)”

Noting the big disparity in their height and weight, the 5-foot-6 Pacquiao said he’s willing to fight the 5-10 1/2 De La Hoya at either 146 or 147 pounds, where he won’t be at a disadvantage.

“Ang timbang ko kasi kapag todo ang ensayo ko, pero kumakain pa rin ako, ay nasa 146 (I weigh around 146 when I am training hard and still eating),” said Pacquiao. “Kaya kong labanan si De La Hoya kahit sa (I can fight De La Hoya even at) 147 lb.”

Pacquiao, who wrested the World Boxing Council super featherweight crown from Juan Manuel Marquez on March 15, was treated by businessman-sportsman Luigi Quisumbing to a yacht cruise from Pusok, Lapu-Lapu City, to Kaw-oi Island.

With Pacquiao were his wife Jinkee, sons Emmanuel Jr. and Stephen, close friend Wakee Salud and other friends.

During the same cruise, Pacquiao affirmed he will move up to the lightweight division in his next outing, most likely against WBC champion David Diaz, on June 28 also in Las Vegas.

[Samurai]

That should cover his hospital bills.

[Fat Joe]

That should cover his hospital bills.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Boyd]

rather see him fight floyd

[BewareofDawg]

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Pac's opening his mouth Now!!! This fight is going to happen!!!:happy
Why are you happy? :patsch

[lenin]

rather see him fight floyd
+1

[brooklyn1550]

I'd be disappointed in Oscar if he took this fight. Pacquiao's so much smaller and so overmatched that it's completely pointless. It doesn't do anything to enhance Oscar's legacy. It just enhances his bank account.

If Pacquiao can't KO Larios, Barrera, or Marquez at 130, he's not going to stop Oscar.

[Amsterdam]

I'd be disappointed in Oscar if he took this fight. Pacquiao's so much smaller and so overmatched that it's completely pointless. It doesn't do anything to enhance Oscar's legacy. It just enhances his bank account.

If Pacquiao can't KO Larios, Barrera, or Marquez at 130, he's not going to stop Oscar.

No shit, he's not going to stop any good 135's either.

PacDbest, Oscar and Manny can all fuck off as far as I am concerned. PacDbest and his clowns assuming that Pac is the best sub-130 fighter ever, idiocy. Totally ignoring the Arguello's, Gomez's and Sanchez's that would have all destroyed his ass.

[toffeejack]

Riduclous matchup, it will never happen and if it does I hope all boxing fans boycott it.

DLH is slowly losing all respect he ever had as a boxer with his behaviour as a boxer/ promoter

[thewoo]

So in other words pacquiao said he would never fight Oscar (not that I blame him)

[brooklyn1550]

No shit, he's not going to stop any good 135's either.

Normally, I wouldn't have to mention that. But...:lol:

[PacDbest]

I'd be disappointed in Oscar if he took this fight. Pacquiao's so much smaller and so overmatched that it's completely pointless. It doesn't do anything to enhance Oscar's legacy. It just enhances his bank account.

If Pacquiao can't KO Larios, Barrera, or Marquez at 130, he's not going to stop Oscar.

So what's the point about The Forbes fight??? Forbes at his best is at 135 & he was not even the best there. I give P4P top 2 Prime Pac a better chance than an old B fighter like Forbes.

He Doesn't need to KO DLH, He can out speed him!!!

[Amsterdam]

Normally, I wouldn't have to mention that. But...:lol:

Here is also some guys at 130 that would have beaten Pac -

Freitas
Casamayor
Jesus Chavez
Genero Hernandez

[brooklyn1550]

Here is also some guys at 130 that would have beaten Pac -

Freitas
Casamayor
Jesus Chavez
Genero Hernandez

Agreed

Hernandez is a great mention.

[brooklyn1550]

So what's the point about The Forbes fight??? Forbes at his best is at 135 & he was not even the best there. I give P4P top 2 Prime Pac a better chance than an old B fighter like Forbes.

He Doesn't need to KO DLH, He can out speed him!!!

Forbes has been tested against solid competition at 135 and 140. Pacquiao hasn't even stepped in the ring against a lightweight. Do I care about the Forbes fight? No, I think it's bullshit. But would it be more competitive than Pacquiao/De La Hoya? Absolutely.

De La Hoya's size and strength would mean Pacquiao would have to fight backing up. This puts him at a huge disadvantage and all but guarantees a De La Hoya win.

[PacDbest]

No shit, he's not going to stop any good 135's either.

PacDbest, Oscar and Manny can all fuck off as far as I am concerned. PacDbest and his clowns assuming that Pac is the best sub-130 fighter ever, idiocy. Totally ignoring the Arguello's, Gomez's and Sanchez's that would have all destroyed his ass.

Are you guys getting worried That all my Predictions about Pac were happening before your eyes????:happy

No need to talk about the Arguellos, Sanchez & Gomez!! Pac will surpass all those Great fighters. Try to switch channel & discuss Pac vs Armstrong, SRR & the likes. You have better arguments there!!!

[Gunns4hire]

Do you guys really think this should happen? I mean do you think this is going to be competitive?

[PacDbest]

Here is also some guys at 130 that would have beaten Pac -

Freitas
Casamayor
Jesus Chavez
Genero Hernandez

Keep on digging the past & Dreaming.... I'll just enjoy History as it written down by Pac's fist!!!

[brooklyn1550]

Keep on digging the past & Dreaming.... I'll just enjoy History as it written down by Pac's fist!!!

I'll keep in in the future:

Joan Guzman wins a wide decision over Pacquiao

[TFFP]

I hope this happens just to see Pac KTFO in 5 rounds, and to shut up his cunt fans

[joito3]

Here is also some guys at 130 that would have beaten Pac -

Freitas
Casamayor
Jesus Chavez
Genero Hernandez

Camacho would have made him look like a bum at 130

[PacDbest]

Here is also some guys at 130 that would have beaten Pac -

Freitas
Casamayor
Jesus Chavez
Genero Hernandez

Stop mentioning those lesser fighter against Pac!!! It's a waste of time!!!!

Pac's is already an All Time Great. To enhance his Legacy is to beat an equally Great fighter or a Much bigger fighters. P4p there's PBF there for him. Money fight there's only Hatton & DLH there to conquer. Any other fights is just for Pac to keep him busy & make extra millions. Ok I add the JMM 3rd fight just to Clear things up.

[cardstars]

Stop mentioning those lesser fighter against Pac!!! It's a waste of time!!!!

Pac's is already an All Time Great. To enhance his Legacy is to beat an equally Great fighter or a Much bigger fighters. P4p there's PBF there for him. Money fight there's only Hatton & DLH there to conquer. Any other fights is just for Pac to keep him busy & make extra millions. Ok I add the JMM 3rd fight just to Clear things up.

Joan Guzman would not just be a "stay busy" fight for Pac :bbb :bbb :bbb

[PacDbest]

I'll keep in in the future:

Joan Guzman wins a wide decision over Pacquiao

When are going to stop Dreaming??? Guzman has nothing to Brag about. He hasn't fought any HOP or P4P fighter. I think it's too late for him. Pac's into a much bigger stuff now.

[cardstars]

When are going to stop Dreaming??? Guzman has nothing to Brag about. He hasn't fought any HOP or P4P fighter. I think it's too late for him. Pac's into a much bigger stuff now.

But beating Guzman would do wonders for his legacy....don't you want that for him? As a fan of certain fighters I would certainly rather see them improve their legacy over their bank account

[PacDbest]

rather see him fight floyd

Are you gonna pay for PBF-DLH 2???? Packing no way for me!!!

I doubt if you can resist the temptation to click the BUY BUTTON once the Pac-DLH PPV was there in front of your TV!!!!:hey

[PacDbest]

But beating Guzman would do wonders for his legacy....don't you want that for him? As a fan of certain fighters I would certainly rather see them improve their legacy over their bank account

If Pac beat Guzman, Here's what you guys gonna say!!!

-Guzzy is overrated
-Guzzy is featherfisted
-guzzy is old & shot
-Guzzy is not a great fighter anyway
-Who's on Guzzy's resume??? He hasn't beat any Great fighters anyway!!


Pac beat DLH, here's what you going to hear:

-Daym!!! Pac's a Monster!!!
-An ALL time Great!!!!
-One of the Greatest!!!
-I got Pac's respect now!!!

Did you see the difference????

[PacDbest]

That should cover his hospital bills.

Who?? DLH???:yep

[thanosone]

So what's the point about The Forbes fight??? Forbes at his best is at 135 & he was not even the best there. I give P4P top 2 Prime Pac a better chance than an old B fighter like Forbes.

He Doesn't need to KO DLH, He can out speed him!!! Wow... Every time I come in here you are making Paq to be the GOAT. Oscar would break Manny's face with that left hook of his. One thing for you to think Paq can beat a prime Erik Morales. But beating Oscar? You need to try another sport. Manny is a midget compared to Oscar. Try Karaoke at at the mall dude.

[PacDbest]

Why are you happy? :patsch

I want to see Pac accomplishing Greater Feats. Pac vs Hatton, PBF & DLH will make me a Happy man.

[Danny]

Well if Pacquiao was to receive $30M, WTF would Oscar be getting paid? Whoever Oscar fights, he will always receive the bigger percentage of the money.

We don't even know if Hoya can make 147lbs, & Manny moving up to WW is a joke.

If it does happen, it's just a money making scheme, plain & simple.

[PacDbest]

Forbes has been tested against solid competition at 135 and 140. Pacquiao hasn't even stepped in the ring against a lightweight. Do I care about the Forbes fight? No, I think it's bullshit. But would it be more competitive than Pacquiao/De La Hoya? Absolutely.

De La Hoya's size and strength would mean Pacquiao would have to fight backing up. This puts him at a huge disadvantage and all but guarantees a De La Hoya win.

Pac likes guys who comes forward. DLH is slowing. do you think he can avoid Pac's straight left??? No matter how bigger DLH is, That Straight left of Pac will hurt.

[thanosone]

Pac likes guys who comes forward. DLH is slowing. do you think he can avoid Pac's straight left??? No matter how bigger DLH is, That Straight left of Pac will hurt.
:patsch ... Just stop man.

[CASH_718]

So what's the point about The Forbes fight??? Forbes at his best is at 135 & he was not even the best there. I give P4P top 2 Prime Pac a better chance than an old B fighter like Forbes.

He Doesn't need to KO DLH, He can out speed him!!!Because Forbes is what we call in the boxing world a "tune up" fight. And actually Forbes has proved himself more dangerous then Pac man because he's actually fought as high as Light Middleweight and be some decent fights something Pac man can't do. He ain't out musculing some of these bigger guys that Forbes has beatin.

[CASH_718]

I want to see Pac accomplishing Greater Feats. Pac vs Hatton, PBF & DLH will make me a Happy man.Paciquo getting knocked out three times would make you a happy man???

[ChampionsForever]

Ridiculous match up other than them both having huge followings its pointless.

[ApatheticLeader]

That should cover his hospital bills.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

[PacDbest]

Well if Pacquiao was to receive $30M, WTF would Oscar be getting paid? Whoever Oscar fights, he will always receive the bigger percentage of the money.

We don't even know if Hoya can make 147lbs, & Manny moving up to WW is a joke.

If it does happen, it's just a money making scheme, plain & simple.

PBF-DLH, DLH makes $40M, PBF makes $25M.

Pac-DLH, Pac gets $30M, DLH get $40M(he makes more money coz he co-promotes Pac).

[Pimp C]

Keep on digging the past & Dreaming.... I'll just enjoy History as it written down by Pac's fist!!!
You're a delusional fool if you think Pac has any chance of winning this fight.

[Pimp C]

Pac likes guys who comes forward. DLH is slowing. do you think he can avoid Pac's straight left??? No matter how bigger DLH is, That Straight left of Pac will hurt.
:lol: :rofl :lol: :nut :patsch

[Samurai]

Come on man, just stop the nonsense! Pacquiao's straight left will have little to NO effect (most likely the latter) on DLH who was not even hurt by a massive right uppercut from Mayorga whom hits 5 x harder than The Pacman.

[Pimp C]

Come on man, just stop the nonsense! Pacquiao's straight left will have little to NO effect (most likely the latter) on DLH who was not even hurt by a massive right uppercut from Mayorga whom hits 5 x harder than The Pacman.
What happened to your old account?

[PacDbest]

:patsch ... Just stop man.

You can't stop it!!! Arum, DLH, PAC, HBO are all for it!!! The tons of Money are there to be made. I don't even started this talk. Merchant & Dan Rafael started all this.

[CASH_718]

PBF-DLH, DLH makes $40M, PBF makes $25M.

Pac-DLH, Pac gets $30M, DLH get $40M(he makes more money coz he co-promotes Pac).De La Hoya and Floyd made that much money because they sold over 2 million PPV buys you moron.

[johnco]

the boy " who never wins the big ones" ODH will send pac to mandatory retirement if this fight pushes through specially above 140..... :!:
pac will be counting his millions inside his hospital suite with a broken ribs and a smashed face but with fat bank account :good

to make this fight interesting and little bit fair, let odh go down to 140 and give the small guy a decent chance of pulling the miracle. ;) who knows... :deal

and for the haters, shouldnt you guys be happy that this will be your chance to get back at the pac huggers?? :lol: :lol: :lol: why all the objections???? perhaps because of this, "S-C-A-R-E-D" ! :rofl
because if pac pulls this one out, pac's greatness will go beyond the stratosphere and you guys will have that sickening feeling again of dealing with the pac fans in this forum :hey :hey

let them fight shall we... if pac signs that dotted line, he's asking for the beating of his life and so be it. I am against it, but it will always be his call to get that money for his retirement.

[Samurai]

What happened to your old account?

I requested that all of my posts got erased.

[PacDbest]

Paciquo getting knocked out three times would make you a happy man???

Pac knocking all three will make be very happy. Pac winning by decision will make me just Happy & satisfied. Pac losing??? I'm not thinking about it!!!

[PacDbest]

De La Hoya and Floyd made that much money because they sold over 2 million PPV buys you moron.
The same 2M plus the the 2m pinoys in the US will surely tune in for this intriguing & legendary fight. Can you resist buying this???

[pit]

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Pac's opening his mouth Now!!! This fight is going to happen!!!:happy

I think this $30M is reasonable. PBF makes around $25M on that DLH fight. Before DLH, His PPV buys tops only at 375PPV buys. Pac already reach 400K PPV buys without fighting an American & he's not even an American. Pac's appeal is more Global. This also will be for DLH's retirement fight, I'm sure everybody will tune in. Pac also Guarantees your money are well spent. You can't say the same with the Floyd-DLH rematch.

No One going to pay Pac 30 mill for the guaranteed ass whoopin he's gonna get ..

[PacDbest]

the boy " who never wins the big ones" ODH will send pac to mandatory retirement if this fight pushes through specially above 140..... :!:
pac will be counting his millions inside his hospital suite with a broken ribs and a smashed face but with fat bank account :good

to make this fight interesting and little bit fair, let odh go down to 140 and give the small guy a decent chance of pulling the miracle. ;) who knows... :deal

and for the haters, shouldnt you guys be happy that this will be your chance to get back at the pac huggers?? :lol: :lol: :lol: why all the objections???? perhaps because of this, "S-C-A-R-E-D" ! :rofl
because if pac pulls this one out, pac's greatness will go beyond the stratosphere and you guys will have that sickening feeling again of dealing with the pac fans in this forum :hey :hey

let them fight shall we... if pac signs that dotted line, he's asking for the beating of his life and so be it. I am against it, but it will always be his call to get that money for his retirement.:good

[ravtrav]

I'd fight anybody in the world for 30-40 mil. All the criticism should go toward DLH for actually thinking about the fight, not Pac.

[PacDbest]

No One going to pay Pac 30 mill for the guaranteed ass whoopin he's gonna get ..

Pac ass whoopped MAB, EM & JMM!!! We pay for all that fight!!!:yep

[johnco]

Pac ass whoopped MAB, EM & JMM!!! We pay for all that fight!!!:yep

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[acb]

Guys lets not shit on Pac out of spite for PacD and some of his fans that lack an appreciation for boxing history.

I just had his first fight with Morales on this morning and was appreciating this guy so much as a fighter. He is great for the sport. There isn't another fighter in boxing who has had more exciting fights in the last few years. He always comes to fight, he is tough as nails, has heart, very respectful.

Seperate the fighter from the fan. Pac hasn't ever said he walks over the history of any division, only his fans. He hasn't ever denegrated any legends or said anything that brings the sport bad pub.

[Samurai]

Pac losing??? I'm not thinking about it!!!

That's because you are delusional. :patsch

[Pimp C]

I requested that all of my posts got erased.
Why?

[Dunks]

rather see him fight floyd

Who Oscar or Pac?:p

Id rather see the # 1 & 2 P4P guys go at it..then Oscar & Pac:good

[pit]

Pac ass whoopped MAB, EM & JMM!!! We pay for all that fight!!!:yep

NO one is going to pay pac 30 mill for a fight, they know he can't win .

Oscar earned 30 mil, with his fight with floyd and some felt that was too much. so its a guaranteed that no one is going pay to see Oscar beat up a midget .


If you think thats going to happen your just a dumb as pac is .. :lol:

He would be lucky to get 5 mill, to get KOed by Hatton..:lol:

[Samurai]

Why?

Just for a new fresh start. :smoke

[acb]

Just for a new fresh start. :smoke

Welcome to the forum, noob. :cool:

[Dunks]

Pac likes guys who comes forward. DLH is slowing. do you think he can avoid Pac's straight left??? No matter how bigger DLH is, That Straight left of Pac will hurt.

ok this is just insane now:rofl

[Samurai]

Welcome to the forum, noob. :cool:


:D :lol:

[Max Molyneux]

So what's the point about The Forbes fight??? Forbes at his best is at 135 & he was not even the best there. I give P4P top 2 Prime Pac a better chance than an old B fighter like Forbes.

He Doesn't need to KO DLH, He can out speed him!!!

How can you say Pac is better than Forbes at a higher weight when Pac hasn't even fought at 135 yet? You even said Forbes has proven to be 135 at best and even gave D-hop a 140 fighter a good arguement.

Marquez beat Pac 116-111 It should of read on the judges cards.:yep

[Pimp C]

Just for a new fresh start. :smoke
Sure.:lol:

[acb]

If you think thats going to happen your just a dumb as pac is .. :lol:


Nothing dumb about getting paid huge money in a fight you are supposed to lose. If he does half well everyone will say he is the bravest sob on the planet. If by some weird chance he actualy won he would go down in boxing lore.

[johnco]

NO one is going to pay pac 30 mill for a fight, they know he can't win .

Oscar earned 30 mil, with his fight with floyd and some felt that was too much. so its a guaranteed that no one is going pay to see Oscar beat up a midget .


If you think thats going to happen your just a dumb as pac is .. :lol:

He would be lucky to get 5 mill, to get KOed by Hatton..:lol:

getting 30 M $ is not dumb...... it is a business savvy investment... ;)

but getting KO'd by a ring post after getting hit by PBF was the dumbest thing to be done by a boxer ... :rofl :rofl

[johnco]

How can you say Pac is better than Forbes at a higher weight when Pac hasn't even fought at 135 yet? You even said Forbes has proven to be 135 at best and even gave D-hop a 140 fighter a good arguement.

Marquez beat Pac 116-111 It should of read on the judges cards.:yep


move on fruitcake... take your prozac :good :good

[acb]

getting 30 M $ is not dumb...... it is a business savvy investment... ;)

but getting KO'd by a ring post after getting hit by PBF was the dumbest thing to be done by a boxer ... :rofl :rofl

You just contradicted yourself.

[Max Molyneux]

move on fruitcake... take your prozac :good :good

Are you a blind biased Fhilipino like half of the Phillipines who are Pac fans?:lol:

[BENNY BLANCO]

hey pacDbest you probably think that pacquiao can beat miguel cotto and knock him out right?

[rexobse]

NO one is going to pay pac 30 mill for a fight, they know he can't win .

Oscar earned 30 mil, with his fight with floyd and some felt that was too much. so its a guaranteed that no one is going pay to see Oscar beat up a midget .


If you think thats going to happen your just a dumb as pac is .. :lol:

He would be lucky to get 5 mill, to get KOed by Hatton..:lol:


PAC got $5M in JMM rematch plus share in the $20M PPV (estimated at $2M) for a total of $7M. How in the hell he gets only $5M for a Hatton fight?

[brooklyn1550]

When are going to stop Dreaming??? Guzman has nothing to Brag about. He hasn't fought any HOP or P4P fighter. I think it's too late for him. Pac's into a much bigger stuff now.

Has nothing to do with it. He's easily beaten his quality opposition thus far. And his style would be absolute hell for Manny.

[CASH_718]

The same 2M plus the the 2m pinoys in the US will surely tune in for this intriguing & legendary fight. Can you resist buying this???Yeah but I also bought Barrera vs Fana.

[johnco]

Are you a blind biased Fhilipino like half of the Phillipines who are Pac fans?:lol:

116-111 :rofl :rofl :rofl

did you go to school boi??? it seems your basic math is wrong :lol:

[pit]

getting 30 M $ is not dumb...... it is a business savvy investment... ;)

but getting KO'd by a ring post after getting hit by PBF was the dumbest thing to be done by a boxer ... :rofl :rofl

NO doubt , but Pac has as much chance of getting 30 mill to fight Oscar as he does of getting rich from a dot com business.

its not going to happen ..

[rexobse]

Well if Pacquiao was to receive $30M, WTF would Oscar be getting paid? Whoever Oscar fights, he will always receive the bigger percentage of the money.

We don't even know if Hoya can make 147lbs, & Manny moving up to WW is a joke.

If it does happen, it's just a money making scheme, plain & simple.

I agree, DLH should get $31M or more... :D PAC gets his $30M... :lol:

[acb]

I agree, DLH should get $31M or more... :D PAC gets his $30M... :lol:

Who is the girl in your avatar?

[brooklyn1550]

Pac likes guys who comes forward. DLH is slowing. do you think he can avoid Pac's straight left??? No matter how bigger DLH is, That Straight left of Pac will hurt.

The straight left wont have much effect against De La Hoya. Pacquiao would be punching upwards and De La Hoya has a rock solid chin. Trinidad couldn't seriously hurt De La Hoya with his left hook. What makes you think little Pac can?

[cardstars]

Pac KO1 Wlad

But in all honesty I agree with acb here; why hate on Pac? All he does is come ready to fight every time and puts on one helluva show. He has no control over fans and judges cards, and if he gets offered 30 mil to fight DLH who in their right mind WOULDN'T do it???

[pit]

PAC got $5M in JMM rematch plus share in the $20M PPV (estimated at $2M) for a total of $7M. How in the hell he gets only $5M for a Hatton fight?


dude your guy are crazy if you think anyone is going to buy into this, and think pac is going to get 30 mill for it ..

people will view this as a sham ..

[rexobse]

Who is the girl in your avatar?

off-topic: Do you want me to PM you a full body pic?

[acb]

off-topic: Do you want me to PM you a full body pic?

:deal

[BENNY BLANCO]

The straight left wont have much effect against De La Hoya. Pacquiao would be punching upwards and De La Hoya has a rock solid chin. Trinidad couldn't seriously hurt De La Hoya with his left hook. What makes you think little Pac can?i was going to make that same exact point. oscar has fought so many hard punchers like chavez,vargas,tito,quartey,oba carr. pac 130 pound power punches will have "0" effect on oscar.

[Max Molyneux]

116-111 :rofl :rofl :rofl

did you go to school boi??? it seems your basic math is wrong :lol:

Could you even afford to go to a school livig In a poor arse country like the Phillipines?

Marquez won 9 rounds to 3 which would be 117 - 111 but Pac scored a knockdown making It 116-111 so nothing wrong with my math but theirs something wrong with you blind Pac fans, are you all blind by the propaganda In your country?

[rexobse]

dude your guy are crazy if you think anyone is going to buy into this, and think pac is going to get 30 mill for it ..

people will view this as a sham ..

I was one of those disgusted when 2 million peeps bought the DLH-PBF sham...

[acb]

i was going to make that same exact point. oscar has fought so many hard punchers like chavez,vargas,tito,quartey,oba carr. pac 130 pound power punches will have "0" effect on oscar.

Oye Benny, will you take the bold off your font so that its easier on the eyes?

[rexobse]

:deal

ok... later...

[acb]

Could you even afford to go to a school livig In a poor arse country like the Phillipines?


Keep it above the belt line.

[BENNY BLANCO]

Oye Benny, will you take the bold off your font so that its easier on the eyes?my fault man. they off now:?

[Max Molyneux]

Keep it above the belt line.
No.

[johnco]

Could you even afford to go to a school livig In a poor arse country like the Phillipines?

Marquez won 9 rounds to 3 which would be 117 - 111 but Pac scored a knockdown making It 116-111 so nothing wrong with my math but theirs something wrong with you blind Pac fans, are you all blind by the propaganda In your country?

you wanna make a poll on your scoring ?? :good

and dont generalized all pac fans here lives in the P.I. :huh
USA owns your country trust me..... and i am an american ;)

[acb]

No.

No need to insult countries, only posters if necessary.

[acb]

my fault man. they off now:?

Thanks. :good

[Max Molyneux]

No need to insult countries, only posters if necessary.

If he had more respect for my opinion, I wouldn't of said It. He could of simply disagreed.

[dave82]

Pac ass whoopped MAB, EM & JMM!!! We pay for all that fight!!!:yep

..............Just when you thought it was safe to log on again.........

[BENNY BLANCO]

what is sad is that me and all the other posters seem to feed into pacDbest misguided threads and he tries to make it seem like all the posters who are fans of other fans are jealous of his favorite fighter.

[Max Molyneux]

you wanna make a poll on your scoring ?? :good

and dont generalized all pac fans here lives in the P.I. :huh
USA owns your country trust me..... and i am an american ;)

The USA would own no one If other places didn't suck their cock.

Why not generalise them? Most Pac fans are terribly biased.

[kg0208]

Can we not do this guys. Let him post this mumbo jumbo and let it be. He's been exposed and is exposed each and every post. We will never get through to him.

[BENNY BLANCO]

Can we not do this guys. Let him post this mumbo jumbo and let it be. He's been exposed and is exposed each and every post. We will never get through to him.:lol: your so right but it's so difficult to not respond to stupidity.

[johnco]

The USA would own no one If other places didn't suck their cock.

Why not generalise them? Most Pac fans are terribly biased.

very true :good but lets talk about boxing...

being a pac fan, i have my own moments of being biased.:D Fight was discussed many times in here and it was a consensus that it could go either way. I have no problem if it goes with jmm but your score seems way off. My first time to see that kind of score. even the traditional haters didnt see it that way... yes, lots of pac fans are biased, that includes me :D :D , but i dont agree with your scoring. thats why i am asking you to make a poll :deal

[PacDbest]

The straight left wont have much effect against De La Hoya. Pacquiao would be punching upwards and De La Hoya has a rock solid chin. Trinidad couldn't seriously hurt De La Hoya with his left hook. What makes you think little Pac can?

How about Straight left to the Body??? DLH has a glass body, he's also has to Drain to 147.

Morales was believed to have Solid Chin. Everybody here thinks Pac can't KO EM. But he did. Anything is possible.

[johnco]

:lol: your so right but it's so difficult to not respond to stupidity.

getting 30 M is not stupid trust me ;) ;)

[dave82]

:lol: your so right but it's so difficult to not respond to stupidity.

Exactly. Its like looking at dog turd...you can't help but look.

[brooklyn1550]

How about Straight left to the Body??? DLH has a glass body, he's also has to Drain to 147.

Morales was believed to have Solid Chin. Everybody here thinks Pac can't KO EM. But he did. Anything is possible.

He took bodyshots from Mayweather, Trinidad, Quartey, Vargas, Chavez, Whitaker, and even Hopkins before getting stopped.

All of those fighters hit significantly harder than Pacquiao, who isn't even in the realm of the great body punchers throughout boxing history.

The Morales comparison isn't valid

[kg0208]

He took bodyshots from Mayweather, Trinidad, Quartey, Vargas, Chavez, Whitaker, and even Hopkins before getting stopped.

All of those fighters hit significantly harder than Pacquiao, who isn't even in the realm of the great body punchers throughout boxing history.

The Morales comparison isn't valid

:rasta There are actual boxing fans to talk to......

[acb]

How about Straight left to the Body??? DLH has a glass body, he's also has to Drain to 147.

Morales was believed to have Solid Chin. Everybody here thinks Pac can't KO EM. But he did. Anything is possible.

Pac D I have some real estate property in Northwest Arizona that overlooks a beautiful piece of the Pacific Ocean. If you or anyone you know is interested, PM me and we talk about a discounted price.

[brooklyn1550]

:rasta There are actual boxing fans to talk to......

Damnit, you caught me:D

[kg0208]

Damnit, you caught me:D

:nut

[brooklyn1550]

:nut

For me, it's hard not to respond to PacD. There are so many things to pick apart in his posts.

[kg0208]

For me, it's hard not to respond to PacD. There are so many things to pick apart in his posts.
That is how I used to feel. But then his responses typically have little to do with the post I just picked apart. If he was doing it on purpose, then I would say he is just a good debater in the sense that he knows how to frustrate you. But he isn't....he just don't understand that one point has nothing to do with another. Too many other good posters here to bother with him or anyone like him anymore.

[PacDbest]

He took bodyshots from Mayweather, Trinidad, Quartey, Vargas, Chavez, Whitaker, and even Hopkins before getting stopped.

All of those fighters hit significantly harder than Pacquiao, who isn't even in the realm of the great body punchers throughout boxing history.

The Morales comparison isn't valid

That's why we need to see what's going to happen. Nobody in boxing history resembles Pac's rise to the top. Maybe Pac is a really special fighter. This fight has to happen to prove a point.

What if Pac never jumps to 130 to hunt Morales???? i'm sure all of you here will be thinking That it is impossible for Pac to KO mOrales.

[PacDbest]

That is how I used to feel. But then his responses typically have little to do with the post I just picked apart. If he was doing it on purpose, then I would say he is just a good debater in the sense that he knows how to frustrate you. But he isn't....he just don't understand that one point has nothing to do with another. Too many other good posters here to bother with him or anyone like him anymore.

Hey KG!!! I started this thread.. Why are you here??? I thought you don't want to deal with me anymore??? Make your own thread about your fav RJJ, Let's see how many will be interested posting.

I quote a news article. i didn't made this up. If you're not interested just STFU!!!!:bbb

[PacDbest]

Pac D I have some real estate property in Northwest Arizona that overlooks a beautiful piece of the Pacific Ocean. If you or anyone you know is interested, PM me and we talk about a discounted price.

I have also a Property overlooking pacific ocean, you want a trade???:bbb

[chimba]

Guys lets not shit on Pac out of spite for PacD and some of his fans that lack an appreciation for boxing history.

I just had his first fight with Morales on this morning and was appreciating this guy so much as a fighter. He is great for the sport. There isn't another fighter in boxing who has had more exciting fights in the last few years. He always comes to fight, he is tough as nails, has heart, very respectful.

Seperate the fighter from the fan. Pac hasn't ever said he walks over the history of any division, only his fans. He hasn't ever denegrated any legends or said anything that brings the sport bad pub.

You see..no one responds

no one cares!

Its all hate :lol:

[jupzrooni]

That should cover his hospital bills.

i am sure he has insurance. if he gets killed by odlh in the ring his family would benefit from it. i'm gonna pray for his safety though.

[kg0208]

You see..no one responds

no one cares!

Its all hate :lol:

It's not all hate. It gets lost in the BS. I for one didn't even see his post.

We all know Pacquaio is a top notch fighter and an ATG. I don't ever disparage HIM.....just some of his more fanatical fans.

[jupzrooni]

Welcome to the forum, noob. :cool:

:yep

[pit]

I was one of those disgusted when 2 million peeps bought the DLH-PBF sham...


Both Floyd and Oscar started there careers at 130 and 135 , and both have frames that allowed them to move up in weight .. That is not the case with Pac. Oscar may able to buy his way down to 147 but he will not be able to lose any weight past that ..

physically this fight is impossible and everyone knows it .. so how would you expect for anyone to buy it .

[jupzrooni]

Are you a blind biased Fhilipino like half of the Phillipines who are Pac fans?:lol:

not really half. several people in the phils know pacquiao but there are still several filipinos who are not that fond of boxing. i am filipino so i should know.

[jupzrooni]

It's not all hate. It gets lost in the BS. I for one didn't even see his post.

We all know Pacquaio is a top notch fighter and an ATG. I don't ever disparage HIM.....just some of his more fanatical fans.

OMG KG who is that girl on your avatar?:admin

[thanosone]

How about Straight left to the Body??? DLH has a glass body, he's also has to Drain to 147.

Morales was believed to have Solid Chin. Everybody here thinks Pac can't KO EM. But he did. Anything is possible.
Karaoke bro, try it... Boxing is not for you.

[kg0208]

OMG KG who is that girl on your avatar?:admin

Same woman who is always in my avatar.....just the front of her.

That would be Mrs. KG.

[jupzrooni]

Same woman who is always in my avatar.....just the front of her.

That would be Mrs. KG.

you're one lucky guy:good

[DobyZhee]

I just want to hear it from PacDbest's mouth that Pacquiao is going to lose soundly to guys like DLH and Mayweather even if its for 30 million dollars.

[mike464]

Mayweather, Pacquiao, De La Hoya and Hatton should just go and start their own boxing league or something. They are clearly only interested in money and fighting each other.

[chimba]

Mayweather, Pacquiao, De La Hoya and Hatton should just go and start their own boxing league or something. They are clearly only interested in money and fighting each other.

At least Hoya and PAc have done their dirty work and have fought the best out there

[Lance_Uppercut]

Bullshit payday fight....nothing more.

[psychopath]

What did I say? This is just for money . . . and I still don't believe it's gonna happen.

Even if DLH is way off his prime . . . the mere fact that he is fighting 4 weight class above Pac . . . this could turn out to be Pac's retirement fight not DLH's.

:rofl :lol: :D

:yep :hey

[Eradicator's_IT]

Pacquiao sets $30-M condition for De La Hoya fight
April 01, 2008 01:21:00
Salven Lagumbay
Philippine Daily Inquirer

CEBU CITY—For Manny Pacquiao, a fight against Oscar De La Hoya should be worth between $30 million and $40 million, nothing less.

Reacting to a comment that he should get at least $10,000,000 to battle boxing’s poster boy, Pacquiao answered in the negative.

“Hindi naman tama yan (That’s not right),” said Pacquiao, speaking during a yacht cruise here Monday. “Malaking trabaho ang susugurin ko kay (It will be a major task for me to fight) De la Hoya.

“Ang hingi ko lang sana, kapag maglaban kami (If we fight, I’ll ask between) $30 million to $40 million dapat sa akin (for myself). Kawawa naman ako pag nabugbog ako ni Oscar (I would look pitiful if Oscar bowls me over.)”

Noting the big disparity in their height and weight, the 5-foot-6 Pacquiao said he’s willing to fight the 5-10 1/2 De La Hoya at either 146 or 147 pounds, where he won’t be at a disadvantage.

“Ang timbang ko kasi kapag todo ang ensayo ko, pero kumakain pa rin ako, ay nasa 146 (I weigh around 146 when I am training hard and still eating),” said Pacquiao. “Kaya kong labanan si De La Hoya kahit sa (I can fight De La Hoya even at) 147 lb.”

Pacquiao, who wrested the World Boxing Council super featherweight crown from Juan Manuel Marquez on March 15, was treated by businessman-sportsman Luigi Quisumbing to a yacht cruise from Pusok, Lapu-Lapu City, to Kaw-oi Island.

With Pacquiao were his wife Jinkee, sons Emmanuel Jr. and Stephen, close friend Wakee Salud and other friends.

During the same cruise, Pacquiao affirmed he will move up to the lightweight division in his next outing, most likely against WBC champion David Diaz, on June 28 also in Las Vegas.

cant wait to see that fight happen....:hat:hat:hat

[Eradicator's_IT]

What did I say? This is just for money . . . and I still don't believe it's gonna happen.

Even if DLH is way off his prime . . . the mere fact that he is fighting 4 weight class above Pac . . . this could turn out to be Pac's retirement fight not DLH's.

:rofl :lol: :D

:yep :hey

its better said than done sir....just wait till it happen:hat:hat:hat

[Eradicator's_IT]

Bullshit payday fight....nothing more.

if this fight wat the people wants, its no bullshit brother!:rasta:rasta:rasta

[Eradicator's_IT]

Same woman who is always in my avatar.....just the front of her.

That would be Mrs. KG.

i tough Mrs. KG is a tan skin brunette?:good:good

[kg0208]

i tough Mrs. KG is a tan skin brunette?:good:good

It's called lighting.....the first pic was taken at night, this pic was taken with sun shining directly on her through the patio door windows. And she is a brunette...

[Eradicator's_IT]

It's called lighting.....the first pic was taken at night, this pic was taken with sun shining directly on her through the patio door windows. And she is a brunette...

oh! i see...thanks for the info sir...:hi:

[retriever]

Not gonna happen.

[theunderdog]

i don't understand how pac could demand a pay higher than pbf. it does not make much sense for me

[acb]

i don't understand how pac could demand a pay higher than pbf. it does not make much sense for me

He can argue that he has a bigger fan base, which he very well may (than the pre-Oscar Floyd). I think his PPV record is higher than Floyd's was before the Oscar fight.

[kg0208]

He can argue that he has a bigger fan base, which he very well may (than the pre-Oscar Floyd). I think his PPV record is higher than Floyd's was before the Oscar fight.

Yes, but not overwhelmingly high considering Morales and MAB's popularity as Mexican warriors. They contributed.

[acb]

Yes, but not overwhelmingly high considering Morales and MAB's popularity as Mexican warriors. They contributed.

Didn't the Marquez fight outdue both of those fights though?

If so, given JMM's lack in popularity, Pac is a bonified star. Especially for the lighter weight classes.

[kg0208]

Didn't the Marquez fight outdue both of those fights though?

If so, given JMM's lack in popularity, Pac is a bonified star. Especially for the lighter weight classes.

True, and I am not saying he isn't. I am saying that he has had a longer PPV track record and I am not sure that his numbers are really comparable to PBF's. His highest PPV is far lower than Mayweather 2 highest. And I believe that his other PPV's besides JMM's are lower than Mayweather's lowest.

What were the Pacquiao's previous PPV #'s? I don't believe Mayweather has ever gone below 300K.

On top of this, he can't ask for more money than Mayweather is set to make in the rematch because Post DLH Mayweather did over a million buys combined as well right? And Pacquiao is asking for more than Post DLH Mayweather, not just pre DLH.

[ravtrav]

Pacman should have a tune up fight against Margarito, before he fights Oscar!:D :lol::rofl I like were your going with this!

[theunderdog]

you think if pac-dlh happens, it will surpass the sales of pbf-dlh?

[acb]

True, and I am not saying he isn't. I am saying that he has had a longer PPV track record and I am not sure that his numbers are really comparable to PBF's. His highest PPV is far lower than Mayweather 2 highest. And I believe that his other PPV's besides JMM's are lower than Mayweather's lowest.

What were the Pacquiao's previous PPV #'s? I don't believe Mayweather has ever gone below 300K.

On top of this, he can't ask for more money than Mayweather is set to make in the rematch because Post DLH Mayweather did over a million buys combined as well right? And Pacquiao is asking for more than Post DLH Mayweather, not just pre DLH.


I'm not sure about the #'s of PBF, but I don't think they were anything above 400K before DLH. And then he fought Hatton, so its hard to tell what is what.

I am sure Pac doesn't expect to get 30, he is just fielding a bid to see if DLH bites. I think the fight would do huge, huge numbers.

[kg0208]

I'm not sure about the #'s of PBF, but I don't think they were anything above 400K before DLH. And then he fought Hatton, so its hard to tell what is what.

I am sure Pac doesn't expect to get 30, he is just fielding a bid to see if DLH bites. I think the fight would do huge, huge numbers.

:good

[PacDbest]

True, and I am not saying he isn't. I am saying that he has had a longer PPV track record and I am not sure that his numbers are really comparable to PBF's. His highest PPV is far lower than Mayweather 2 highest. And I believe that his other PPV's besides JMM's are lower than Mayweather's lowest.

What were the Pacquiao's previous PPV #'s? I don't believe Mayweather has ever gone below 300K.

On top of this, he can't ask for more money than Mayweather is set to make in the rematch because Post DLH Mayweather did over a million buys combined as well right? And Pacquiao is asking for more than Post DLH Mayweather, not just pre DLH.

Pac 1st PPVs are against Morales 3/19/05, PBF 1st against gatti 6/25/05. So Basically they started at the same time.

Pac's HBO PPVs against EM & MAB were averaging 350K. Pac's Break all records below welter with JMM at 400K. Pac has 2 low PPVs(Larios & Solis) around 200-250K but those are against an unknown & not for a World Championship. It's not produced by HBO, No countdown, No hype.

PBF PPVs are all produced by HBOs, most with Countdown shows. He tops 375K PPVs & low of 325K. He only hits big on his own with the Hatton fight. But that's because of hatton & because he already fought DLH which makes him known.

Without the DLH Factor, Pac definitely is the bigger Draw.

This Pac-DLH for sure will hit more than 2M but it needs some hyping 24/7 style. Mayweather Sr vs Roach in the corner will help. Emphasis on the Historical achievement for Pac & DLH's retirement will turn some heads.

Win or lose against DLH, Pac's next fight for sure will Draw More than 600K. The same as what happen to PBF PPV numbers after DLH.

[Farmboxer]

I would fight Godzilla for 30 mil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kg0208]

Pac 1st PPVs are against Morales 3/19/05, PBF 1st against gatti 6/25/05. So Basically they started at the same time.

Pac's HBO PPVs against EM & MAB were averaging 350K. Pac's Break all records below welter with JMM at 400K. Pac has 2 low PPVs(Larios & Solis) around 200-250K but those are against an unknown & not for a World Championship. It's not produced by HBO, No countdown, No hype.

PBF PPVs are all produced by HBOs, most with Countdown shows. He tops 375K PPVs & low of 325K. He only hits big on his own with the Hatton fight. But that's because of hatton & because he already fought DLH which makes him known.

Without the DLH Factor, Pac definitely is the bigger Draw.

This Pac-DLH for sure will hit more than 2M but it needs some hyping 24/7 style. Mayweather Sr vs Roach in the corner will help. Emphasis on the Historical achievement for Pac & DLH's retirement will turn some heads.

Win or lose against DLH, Pac's next fight for sure will Draw More than 600K. The same as what happen to PBF PPV numbers after DLH.
As this was semi sensible, I will respond. Your numbers don't back up your assertions that Pacquiao is the bigger PPV draw.

Mayweather has 5 PPVs. None less than 325K. Even without DLH, he did nearly 1 mill in PPV buys. (You added an opinion that is not provable nor in my opinion accurate that Hatton was the reason for the huge numbers. Mayweather had something to do with it, as Hatton is not well known here in the states. Both fighters were draws here for different reasons). Pacquiao has PPV's in the 350K range, and one big one against JMM that was hugely hyped by HBO just like Mayweather vs Hatton. He also has a couple of smaller ones at 250K and less. So the numbers don't bear out that Pacquiao is the larger draw.

Perhaps Mayweather is only a bigger draw now because of the DLH fight. But the reason for him being a bigger draw isn't relevant. It just matters that he is.

[PacDbest]

As this was semi sensible, I will respond. Your numbers don't back up your assertions that Pacquiao is the bigger PPV draw.

Mayweather has 5 PPVs. None less than 325K. Even without DLH, he did nearly 1 mill in PPV buys. (You added an opinion that is not provable nor in my opinion accurate that Hatton was the reason for the huge numbers. Mayweather had something to do with it, as Hatton is not well known here in the states. Both fighters were draws here for different reasons). Pacquiao has PPV's in the 350K range, and one big one against JMM that was hugely hyped by HBO just like Mayweather vs Hatton. He also has a couple of smaller ones at 250K and less. So the numbers don't bear out that Pacquiao is the larger draw.

Perhaps Mayweather is only a bigger draw now because of the DLH fight. But the reason for him being a bigger draw isn't relevant. It just matters that he is.

Are you playing Dumb???

PBF-Hatton hit Big because of DLH-PBF happened 1st.

I give you a scenario: Pac beat Diaz impressively, Then beat the winner of Casa-Campbell. Pac-DLH happened & makes 2M PPVs. Pac won a SD. then Pac fought Hatton. How much do you think that Pac-hatton PPV sales can make?????

[kg0208]

Are you playing Dumb???

PBF-Hatton hit Big because of DLH-PBF happened 1st.

I give you a scenario: Pac beat Diaz impressively, Then beat the winner of Casa-Campbell. Pac-DLH happened & makes 2M PPVs. Pac won a SD. then Pac fought Hatton. How much do you think that Pac-hatton PPV sales can make?????

Are you saying that Mayweather is only drawing more than Pacquiao right now because he fought De La Hoya?

[Lance_Uppercut]

Are you playing Dumb???

PBF-Hatton hit Big because of DLH-PBF happened 1st.

I give you a scenario: Pac beat Diaz impressively, Then beat the winner of Casa-Campbell. Pac-DLH happened & makes 2M PPVs. Pac won a SD. then Pac fought Hatton. How much do you think that Pac-hatton PPV sales can make?????

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[PacDbest]

Are you saying that Mayweather is only drawing more than Pacquiao right now because he fought De La Hoya?
Daym you're right!!!

[Lance_Uppercut]

Daym you're right!!!

Kinda how Pac is drawing big numbers in the US thanks to Barerra. Cool.

[kg0208]

Daym you're right!!!
Then Mayweather is the bigger draw. You just admitted it. End of story.

"Why" he is a bigger draw isn't relevant. The purpose of this brief conversation between us wasn't to decide how much of a draw Pacquiao COULD be if he fought DLH. But to decide who is the bigger draw right now between two fighters. Mayweather clearly is...

[DanePugilist]

The Pac vs PBF at 147 was a long shot - this is just rediculous. Why not take on Valuev?

[Lance_Uppercut]

Then Mayweather is the bigger draw. You just admitted it. End of story.


Brilliantly played! :lol:

[Samurai]

Kinda how Pac is drawing big numbers in the US thanks to Barerra. Cool.

:lol:

[PacDbest]

Then Mayweather is the bigger draw. You just admitted it. End of story.

"Why" he is a bigger draw isn't relevant. The purpose of this brief conversation between us wasn't to decide how much of a draw Pacquiao COULD be if he fought DLH. But to decide who is the bigger draw right now between two fighters. Mayweather clearly is...

The point is not who is the bigger draw now. The point is if Pac deserves $30M because Floyd just got $25M. So based on their PPV records before a DLH fight, Pac deserve more than what PBF got.

[kg0208]

The point is not who is the bigger draw now. The point is if Pac deserves $30M because Floyd just got $25M. So based on their PPV records before a DLH fight, Pac deserve more than what PBF got.

Pacquiao is asking for more than Mayweather is reported to be getting for the rematch.

And your assertion was that Pacquiao was a bigger draw than Mayweather. You didn't put any stipulations on that. Anyways, it's over my friend. Time to move on.

[PacDbest]

Pacquiao is asking for more than Mayweather is reported to be getting for the rematch.

And your assertion was that Pacquiao was a bigger draw than Mayweather. You didn't put any stipulations on that. Anyways, it's over my friend. Time to move on.

PBF won't get it. The rematch won't sell as much. We've been fooled once.

Pac fight is guaranteed action fight. It will sell.

[Pat_Lowe]

PBF won't get it. The rematch won't sell as much. We've been fooled once.

Pac fight is guaranteed action fight. It will sell.

No it won't, you don't take into account the hyping PBF did before the fight. Pacquaio doesn't talk trash and his presence wouldn't hype the fight anywhere near as much as Mayweather. Like it or not, Mayweather contributed a huge amount to make the fight as huge as it was. Also consider that most people will see this fight for what it will be, a slaughter. A fighter who has competed successfully at middleweight vs a fighter who started at flyweight. Oh and lastly, you consistently say that Pacquaio is a bigger draw then Mayweather based on the numbers he did before the DLH fight. But you fail to consider that Pac drew 400,000 only against Morales, Barrera and Marquez. These fighters are proven draws themselves. Mayweather drew almost 400,000 against Baldomir a no-name fighter and the same against Judah, a fighter coming off a loss to the previously mentioned no-name fighter and who wasn't expected to win.

[PacDbest]

No it won't, you don't take into account the hyping PBF did before the fight. Pacquaio doesn't talk trash and his presence wouldn't hype the fight anywhere near as much as Mayweather. Like it or not, Mayweather contributed a huge amount to make the fight as huge as it was. Also consider that most people will see this fight for what it will be, a slaughter. A fighter who has competed successfully at middleweight vs a fighter who started at flyweight. Oh and lastly, you consistently say that Pacquaio is a bigger draw then Mayweather based on the numbers he did before the DLH fight. But you fail to consider that Pac drew 400,000 only against Morales, Barrera and Marquez. These fighters are proven draws themselves. Mayweather drew almost 400,000 against Baldomir a no-name fighter and the same against Judah, a fighter coming off a loss to the previously mentioned no-name fighter and who wasn't expected to win.

Get your numbers right!! Then I talk to you!!!

[Pat_Lowe]

Get your numbers right!! Then I talk to you!!!

Get some knowledge of fighters other than Pacquaio. Does it concern you that no one except for about 2 others (Johnco and Chimba I believe) take you seriously. In fact I'd claim that you are one of the reasons a significant number of posters and fans want Pac to lose. Out of curiosity who do you take to win out Pac vs Roberto Duran?

[psychopath]

its better said than done sir....just wait till it happen:hat:hat:hat

I don't have problem if it happens . . . it's just not appealing to me. Pac barely made it past his fellow 130 pounder in JMM . . . how do you figure he'll fair against a 154 pounder. :D

And besides on what weight will they fight? 140? 147? DLH can't make 140 anymore and if it's at 147 then Pacquaio is gonna be bloated. It's gonna be a onesided beating. :yep

[PacDbest]

Get some knowledge of fighters other than Pacquaio. Does it concern you that no one except for about 2 others (Johnco and Chimba I believe) take you seriously. In fact I'd claim that you are one of the reasons a significant number of posters and fans want Pac to lose. Out of curiosity who do you take to win out Pac vs Roberto Duran?

Pac brought me here. That's my expertise. I talk pac, I'm just spreading the news. If you don't like it, Talk about your fav fighter.

[hmi]

Before fighting DLH, Pac should fight PBF first as tune-up. After DLH, Pac can now challenge Pavlik as tune-up fight again before fighting Calzaghe for his last fight. I think Wlad is already too big for Pacquiao. PacD will agree with me here. :smoke

PacD, if you get something from the fights of Pacquiao, I will be happy for you and I will not object to what you are posting about Pacquiao. If not, don't act like you are Pacquaio's manager! You are too concerned of Pacquiao's earnings. Pacquaio-DLH is nothing but a circus with a very big advantage to DLH. JMM almost floored Pacquiao. Just imagine what DLH can do to him.

[Pat_Lowe]

Pac brought me here. That's my expertise. I talk pac, I'm just spreading the news. If you don't like it, Talk about your fav fighter.

Its not your expertise at all. Loving one fighter and thinking he would beat everyone is not expertise...it makes you an idiot. An expert takes all things into consideration including the films and records of previous fighters from the divisions when judging a fighter. You automatically assume Pac is the best. For example you claim Pac beat Morales twice yet fail to recognise his loss to Morales as well claiming it was due to the cut or gloves. Just leaving out fact that Morales hadn't and hasn't looked good for some time now. You are biased to the extreme and certainly no expert.

[CJLightweight]

fellow esb posters,

i have been enlightened by the words of pac's followers. Before i would see that guys like casamayor, sanchez, and arguello would win against pac but now i trully understand the full meaning of their arguments. Pac is so strong, has the best left hand p4p all time. And he has blinding speed that his fights need to be in slow motion replay in order to see it.

Pac would even KO guys like hopkins, pavlik, and even calzaghe if he is fully prepared. Although I can't say the same against Vlad, i'll just give him a 60% chance to pull it off. I see him winning against a prime duran at 135, a prime SRL at 147, and regarding DLH..he is so old that one left straight from pac would make him do the chicken dance just like judah.

I hope everyone here in esb is enlightened by my post. Thank you PacD and johnco..you guys are the best and the most smartest of all the posters in this forum.. Fuck this other guys, they don't know anything about boxing unlike you 2:happy

[PH|LLA]

why are esb threads these days more about money than about boxing

[Joe Jeanette]

That should cover his hospital bills.:lol:

[PH|LLA]

fellow esb posters,

i have been enlightened by the words of pac's followers. Before i would see that guys like casamayor, sanchez, and arguello would win against pac but now i trully understand the full meaning of their arguments. Pac is so strong, has the best left hand p4p all time. And he has blinding speed that his fights need to be in slow motion replay in order to see it.

Pac would even KO guys like hopkins, pavlik, and even calzaghe if he is fully prepared. Although I can't say the same against Vlad, i'll just give him a 60% chance to pull it off. I see him winning against a prime duran at 135, a prime SRL at 147, and regarding DLH..he is so old that one left straight from pac would make him do the chicken dance just like judah.

I hope everyone here in esb is enlightened by my post. Thank you PacD and johnco..you guys are the best and the most smartest of all the posters in this forum.. Fuck this other guys, they don't know anything about boxing unlike you 2:happy
you're sarcasm is so on point that i am indeed enlightened by it, and now understand that although i used to think that Pacquiao could beat Casamayor, Diaz, and Campbell, I now realise that they would kick his ass without breaking a sweat.

I also now see that Juan Manuel Marquez really won both those fights by knockout but was robbed. Furthermore, Edwin Valero, Joan Guzman, Rocky Juarez, Israel Vasquez, and Rafael Marquez would all easily outbox Pacquiao and win a decision over him because he is so 1-dimensional. Vic Darchinyan might have some trouble but i give him a 60% chance.

Pac is the least skilled boxer i've ever seen in my lifetime. Even Gatti has more skills

Thanks for the insight

[sthomas]

Call me crazy but I think it could be a great fight, but he better do it now, before he loses @ LW.

[CJLightweight]

why are esb threads these days more about money than about boxing

its because fighters right now especially most of the elite is just all about the money. Junior wouldn't fight hatton for free if he was more popular than him so Junior fights for popularity and recognition. PBF used to take on guys like corrales, castillo, chavez. But when he bacame what he is right now he's just interested in money fights such as hatton and DLH.

Everyone wants to fight DLH..from guys willing to go down from 175, and guys from 130 willing to balloon up. All about the money

[Hrak]

Pleassee, 30 million my ass, he would be lucky to get 10 mil.

[CJLightweight]

you're sarcasm is so on point that i am indeed enlightened by it, and now understand that although i used to think that Pacquiao could beat Casamayor, Diaz, and Campbell, I now realise that they would kick his ass without breaking a sweat.

I also now see that Juan Manuel Marquez really won both those fights by knockout but was robbed. Furthermore, Edwin Valero, Joan Guzman, Rocky Juarez, Israel Vasquez, and Rafael Marquez would all easily outbox Pacquiao and win a decision over him because he is so 1-dimensional. Vic Darchinyan might have some trouble but i give him a 60% chance.

Pac is the least skilled boxer i've ever seen in my lifetime. Even Gatti has more skills

Thanks for the insight

:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Boyd]

Are you gonna pay for PBF-DLH 2???? Packing no way for me!!!

I doubt if you can resist the temptation to click the BUY BUTTON once the Pac-DLH PPV was there in front of your TV!!!!:heyi actually meant PBF vs PAC.

[enzo]

This is a fun thread... Props to PacD what would esb be without him. :lol:

[johnco]

This is a fun thread... Props to PacD what would esb be without him. :lol:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :good :good :good :good

[knockout]

why are esb threads these days more about money than about boxingIts because its something they wanna have.:lol:

[pngo]

I hope this fight happens so that Floyd would have no one else to fight BUT Cotto

[doknochrisan]

PAC says "Oscar's physical edge won't be to much"

CEBU CITY--On board the private boat owned by sportsman-businessman Luigi Quisumbing during a cruise on Cebu waters yesterday, Filipino boxing superstar Manny Pacquiao revealed for the first time that Oscar De la Hoya may have the physical edge if indeed they meet on the ring, but that is not something to be overly concerned about.



In a conversation with Philboxing.com/Mannypacquiao.ph during the three-hour cruise, Pacquiao intimated that the Mexicans will stop at nothing to get a win over him, and this will include having De la Hoya fight him.

"Gusto talaga ng Mexicano na makaganti sa akin," (The Mexicans really want to get back at me) Pacquiao said, also insisting that if they ever fight, it should be in the 146-147-lb backyard.

When asked if De la Hoya's height and reach advantage would bother him in the event they crossed paths, Pacquiao said: "Not so much."

"Mas matangkad sya, pero hindo masyado malayo ang agwat. Ok lang yun (He's taller, but by not much. That's ok), Pacquiao revealed, before dipping into the waters snorkeling with his personal assistant Michael Evangelio.

Pacquiao later reached the Efren Gloria Floating Resto, where flabbergasted local and foreign customers who had been lunching had the time of their lives seeing Pacquiao in the waters. Upon noticing the boxing hero, a commotion ensued for the chance to take a peek at the boxing icon, and the humble General Santos lefty obliged for their request to come up to the restaurant for some photo ops with the customers.

"Grabe and mga tawo kung makakita ni Pacquiao, mora man maboang. Karon pa ko kita ingon ani nga phenomenon," (It's unbelievable when people see him, they would go crazy. I've never seen a phenomenon like this) said sportsman Rex 'Wakee' Salud, who was joined by Quisumbing and former Cebu City Councilor Jorge Rama on the cruise.

Pacquiao and his entourage were later dropped off at the private anchor within the Shangri-La Mactan resort, before proceeding to the Sto. Nino church.

[Totomabs]

I'd fight anybody in the world for 30-40 mil. All the criticism should go toward DLH for actually thinking about the fight, not Pac.


Actually.:lol:

[Totomabs]

Guys lets not shit on Pac out of spite for PacD and some of his fans that lack an appreciation for boxing history.

I just had his first fight with Morales on this morning and was appreciating this guy so much as a fighter. He is great for the sport. There isn't another fighter in boxing who has had more exciting fights in the last few years. He always comes to fight, he is tough as nails, has heart, very respectful.

Seperate the fighter from the fan. Pac hasn't ever said he walks over the history of any division, only his fans. He hasn't ever denegrated any legends or said anything that brings the sport bad pub.


nice one acb. true and very sensible.:good

[Totomabs]

Pac KO1 Wlad

But in all honesty I agree with acb here; why hate on Pac? All he does is come ready to fight every time and puts on one helluva show. He has no control over fans and judges cards, and if he gets offered 30 mil to fight DLH who in their right mind WOULDN'T do it???

true.:good

[Totomabs]

Same woman who is always in my avatar.....just the front of her.

That would be Mrs. KG.


for real?

props to u man.:good

[Totomabs]

I would fight Godzilla for 30 mil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:rofl :rofl :rofl , i for even a little less..

[PacDbest]

This is a fun thread... Props to PacD what would esb be without him. :lol:

Without me, esb will be boring.:good That's why no wonder how they hate me, These haters keep on gate crashing my Party.:yep

[PacDbest]

I hope this fight happens so that Floyd would have no one else to fight BUT Cotto

That's what I want to happen. I don't want the DLH-PBF2 to take place. There's no demand for it. PBF asking more money than the 1st fight. Those 2.4M buyers was tricked, PBF promises action & KO but nothing like that came off the fight. It won't sell much & might not happen.

DLH wants to retire this year, I don't think it's good for him to reward PBF with another big Paycheck. He better give it to Pac who is part of his Promotion. Anything to pump up Pac's PPV numbers will benefit his own pocket in Pac's future fight.

Here's my projected Pac Path & purse split & PPV numbers:


Without DLH:
Pac-Diaz -Pac makes $6M/900K- PPV sales around 350-400K
Pac-JMM rematch- $8M/$2M-PPV sales 500K
Pac-Campbell/Casa- Pac $10M/$1.2M-PPV sales 500K+

With DLH:
Pac-Diaz -$6M/900K -350-400K
Pac-DLH- $30M/$40M+ -2M PPVs(win or lose)
Pac-JMM rematch- $15M/$3M - 600-700K
Pac-Casa/Camp/- $16M/$2M - 800K
Pac-Hatton- $25M/$20M- 1.5M PPV sales
Pac-PBF- $30M/$30M -2.5M PPV sales

If you are a Promoter or the Fighter or the Manager, Which Path you're going to Choose???? Pac needs do that DLH fight right away & it will benefit all his next fight after that. He doesn't have to KO DLH, He doesn't have to win. All he needs is to show his heart & give a good & entertaining fight.

Pac's Legacy is secured!!! He can Play around a little bit. Why not make it Bigtime????

[PacDbest]

Before fighting DLH, Pac should fight PBF first as tune-up. After DLH, Pac can now challenge Pavlik as tune-up fight again before fighting Calzaghe for his last fight. I think Wlad is already too big for Pacquiao. PacD will agree with me here. :smoke

PacD, if you get something from the fights of Pacquiao, I will be happy for you and I will not object to what you are posting about Pacquiao. If not, don't act like you are Pacquaio's manager! You are too concerned of Pacquiao's earnings. Pacquaio-DLH is nothing but a circus with a very big advantage to DLH. JMM almost floored Pacquiao. Just imagine what DLH can do to him.

yada yada....

I don't make money off pacquiao, But the joy he's giving to all Pinoys are Priceless. Pacquiao beating DLH will make him one of the best P4P ATGS fighter. That's what I'm predicting in the Past & you guys ridiculed me. Pac beating the lesser guys like Guzzy, Valero, Diaz. Casa, Campbell won't give him anymore Legacys. He's already a much much Greater fighter than all those guys. Only an equally Great fighter can Put Pacquiao in a Higher Pedestal. That's the ultimate goal, to be the Greatest Fighter P4P. He has the Chance, Why not try & grasp the opportunity???

[hmi]

yada yada....

I don't make money off pacquiao, But the joy he's giving to all Pinoys are Priceless. Pacquiao beating DLH will make him one of the best P4P ATGS fighter. That's what I'm predicting in the Past & you guys ridiculed me. Pac beating the lesser guys like Guzzy, Valero, Diaz. Casa, Campbell won't give him anymore Legacys. He's already a much much Greater fighter than all those guys. Only an equally Great fighter can Put Pacquiao in a Higher Pedestal. That's the ultimate goal, to be the Greatest Fighter P4P. He has the Chance, Why not try & grasp the opportunity??? Maybe you need to keep a ledger to know who ridiculed you and who did not. It seems that you have a feeling that everyone ridiculed you. It might be because you also know that what you are posting are ridiculous. You are not the only pinoy here so you are not the only one rejoicing Pac's triumphs but you sure act like Pac's business manager. Yes, Pac has a chance though a very slim chance. Besides, this fight will only happen if DLH can make 147lbs. Pac might win here even before the fight will start. Can DLH still make 147lbs?

[Dilly]

Rather see this then the shit we got coming up between fishnets-fraud 2

[watsinango]

Without me, esb will be boring.:good That's why no wonder how they hate me, These haters keep on gate crashing my Party.:yep

I believed in you. I believed in supernaturals too.

Most of your predictions come true, you only missed once (Antillon-Bobpac) but not big time.

This will be a legendary bout. Are you predicting a draw in this match? So that we can expect a PAC-ODLH rematch too.:hey

[roadrunner]

oscar is too big. why can't he pick someone his own size better yet face a bigger guy saY for example rjj!

[Jbuz]

Pac likes guys who comes forward. DLH is slowing. do you think he can avoid Pac's straight left??? No matter how bigger DLH is, That Straight left of Pac will hurt.
Yeahhhhhhhh. Pac hits harder than guys like Hopkins and Trinidad. :rofl

Have you seen what Oscar's left hook does? Even to iron-jawed welterweights and super-welterweights? Pac would be in hospital for a long time.

[nighthunter]

This is a fun thread... Props to PacD what would esb be without him. :lol:
:good :good :good
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Silvermags]

This is a no WIN situation as far as some haters is concerned

ODLH wins!
What do you expect?! Pac is so much smaller than Pac!

PAC wins (upset)
DAMN! you know what will happen if pac fights ODLH on his prime.
He would not last in two rounds!

Whoever wins will not get credit for the pure haters..

but if you ask me. This is a crazy fight and I don't want Pac to get hurt.
Now! If you are talking a juicy 20-30M$ purse + PPV share! So hard to resist!

Not every boxer is given a chance to earn that big!

[CJLightweight]

If you are talking a juicy 20-30M$ purse + PPV share! So hard to resist!

Not every boxer is given a chance to earn that big!

true and IMO this is the only reason even if they knew they would lose that they would take this fight. And this shit has nothing to do about legacy. Nobody would give any guy credit for losing or winning a circus clown show, my advice is just to take the best money out there at everyones current weight, at 135 there are guys like casa who would give pac huge payday. But again $20-30 mil+ppv, i would be stupid not take this fight:yep

[PacDbest]

I believed in you. I believed in supernaturals too.

Most of your predictions come true, you only missed once (Antillon-Bobpac) but not big time.

This will be a legendary bout. Are you predicting a draw in this match? So that we can expect a PAC-ODLH rematch too.:hey

I have some misses with smaller fights. But I have an excellent record of predictions with the Big fights last year.

I just became a Pac Fan after seeing The 1st MAB fight on Tape. After seeing the 3rd rd, SRL & Duran comes to mind right away. I've haven't seen anything like that for a long time. SRL's speed & Duran's Machismo is what I'm seen in this guy right away. Pac's Magnet made me a Boxing fan again, Made me order his Fight DVD. After seeing his previous fights, I said to myself.. "What I have missed??? Daym this guy is really Good." Just seeing one fight & I am convinced this Guy will be a Legend, An ATG, A Phenomenon. Pinoys have some Boxing Champ in the past but they never made me a believer. Pac did it to me in one Fight.

A Pac-DLh fight will be a Tactical battle just the like the JMM fight. DLH is a nice guy. I don't think Pac will try to Knock him out. Pac definitely will beat him to the punch all night.

[PacDbest]

This is a no WIN situation as far as some haters is concerned

ODLH wins!
What do you expect?! Pac is so much smaller than Pac!

PAC wins (upset)
DAMN! you know what will happen if pac fights ODLH on his prime.
He would not last in two rounds!

Whoever wins will not get credit for the pure haters..

but if you ask me. This is a crazy fight and I don't want Pac to get hurt.
Now! If you are talking a juicy 20-30M$ purse + PPV share! So hard to resist!

Not every boxer is given a chance to earn that big!

I don't care what the Haters will say if Pac upsets DLH. All i care is how it will be written on Pac's resume according to the Boxing history book. haters opinion don't count.

[PacDbest]

true and IMO this is the only reason even if they knew they would lose that they would take this fight. And this shit has nothing to do about legacy. Nobody would give any guy credit for losing or winning a circus clown show, my advice is just to take the best money out there at everyones current weight, at 135 there are guys like casa who would give pac huge payday. But again $20-30 mil+ppv, i would be stupid not take this fight:yep

Featherweight Champ Henry Armstrong fought at Welter(became a Champ) & has a Draw with the Middleweight Champ Ceferino Garcia. It was not written in History as a Circus. That made him a Legend as we knew him.

[boxeo#1]

I'd be disappointed in Oscar if he took this fight. Pacquiao's so much smaller and so overmatched that it's completely pointless. It doesn't do anything to enhance Oscar's legacy. It just enhances his bank account.

If Pacquiao can't KO Larios, Barrera, or Marquez at 130, he's not going to stop Oscar.

That is what it's all and only about. If it wasn't about money they were still amateurs:yep

[PacDbest]

Yeahhhhhhhh. Pac hits harder than guys like Hopkins and Trinidad. :rofl

Have you seen what Oscar's left hook does? Even to iron-jawed welterweights and super-welterweights? Pac would be in hospital for a long time.

DLH didn't DRop Chavez(Chavez got cut) & Tito!!! Did he Koed any Known Granite chinned guys??? You talk Power, just talk about Pac!!!

[kg0208]

That is what it's all and only about. If it wasn't about money they were still amateurs:yep

Then lets not talk about it like it's about legacy. Which is clearly the issue Brooklyn was addressing.

[kg0208]

This is a no WIN situation as far as some haters is concerned

ODLH wins!
What do you expect?! Pac is so much smaller than Pac!

PAC wins (upset)
DAMN! you know what will happen if pac fights ODLH on his prime.
He would not last in two rounds!

Whoever wins will not get credit for the pure haters..

but if you ask me. This is a crazy fight and I don't want Pac to get hurt.
Now! If you are talking a juicy 20-30M$ purse + PPV share! So hard to resist!

Not every boxer is given a chance to earn that big!

Realistically this is a horrible fight. And it's a no win situation for De La Hoya, not for haters.

And Pacquiao wouldn't be getting PPV shares.

[PacDbest]

Realistically this is a horrible fight. And it's a no win situation for De La Hoya, not for haters.

And Pacquiao wouldn't be getting PPV shares.

When did Pacquiao ever in a Horrible fight???

PBF-DLH... That one is Horrible!!!

[PacDbest]

Realistically this is a horrible fight. And it's a no win situation for De La Hoya, not for haters.

And Pacquiao wouldn't be getting PPV shares.

Pac wouldn't get PPV shares??? Are you nuts???

[dave82]

DLH didn't DRop Chavez(Chavez got cut) & Tito!!! Did he Koed any Known Granite chinned guys??? You talk Power, just talk about Pac!!!

Yes he did. Mayorga you tool :patsch

[acb]

When did Pacquiao ever in a Horrible fight???

PBF-DLH... That one is Horrible!!!

When did Pacquiao ever fight so ridiculously far from his own weight class?

Don't be naive PacD, you know what he is saying.

[hmi]

I don't care what the Haters will say if Pac upsets DLH. All i care is how it will be written on Pac's resume according to the Boxing history book. haters opinion don't count. PacD, because people don't agree with your assessment of this fight it doesn't mean that they are haters. They are just being logical in their assessment of this fight. You give Pac a chance to beat DLH and so be it. But you are in a very tiny minority here (who else is with you here) and most will pick DLH based on their fight weight alone. It doesn't mean that everyone else is a hater. Stop using the word hater liberally.

[PacDbest]

When did Pacquiao ever fight so ridiculously far from his own weight class?

Don't be naive PacD, you know what he is saying.

He's already fighting way far from his original weight class. And he's power is still elite.

[PacDbest]

PacD, because people don't agree with your assessment of this fight it doesn't mean that they are haters. They are just being logical in their assessment of this fight. You give Pac a chance to beat DLH and so be it. But you are in a very tiny minority here (who else is with you here) and most will pick DLH based on their fight weight alone. It doesn't mean that everyone else is a hater. Stop using the word hater liberally.

Ok i call them Pac non believers.:bbb

[acb]

He's already fighting way far from his original weight class. And he's power is still elite.

Apples and oranges.

[Steel Kelly]

That should cover his hospital bills.That's what i think, DLH would crush Pac inside 3 rounds!

[kg0208]

Apples and oranges.

Pacquiao is only fighting 2 divisions north of his true original weight class. The weight class you start in at 16 yrs old isn't your true weight. We all know and have long agreed (even Pacquiao fans) that his true weight was 122. That is why he skipped 115 and 118 when he left 112 at 21yrs old. And even then, his power has diminished at every move up from 122.

[acb]

Pacquiao is only fighting 2 divisions north of his true original weight class. The weight class you start in at 16 yrs old isn't your true weight. We all know and have long agreed (even Pacquiao fans) that his true weight was 122. That is why he skipped 115 and 118 when he left 112 at 21yrs old. And even then, his power has diminished at every move up from 122.

The fruit analogy was so much easier. :lol:

[kg0208]

The fruit analogy was so much easier. :lol:

:D

[PacDbest]

Here's the latest: It's getting serious!!! JMM needs to Fight at Lightweight right away against Casa/Campbell to get that Pac rematch!!

Pacquiao Vs. De La Hoya: Could It Happen?
By Ron Borges

For Manny Pacquiao, the options are many and the obstacles are few. At least that’s how Bob Arum sees it.

Pacquiao’s promoter was sitting in his Las Vegas office Wednesday pondering the future for his brightest promotional product and everywhere he turned he saw the same thing. He saw golden opportunity, which isn’t something you hear a lot about too often these days on the American business front.

Pacquiao, of course, is more international business than local, which seems to be where the future lies on all fronts, including the fistic one. He is a national phenomenon in the Phillipines, where he is not only the most popular boxer in that country’s history but arguably its most popular athlete, while back in the States he is a guaranteed hit (literally and figuratively as Arum and Juan Manuel Marquez can each testify) both at the ticket window and on pay-per-view.

So while Pacquiao’s next move was long ago decided – a June step up to the lightweight division to challenge WBC 135-pound champion David Diaz – Arum is planning ahead. He is not only discussing the possibility of matching Pacquiao with unified champion Nate Campbell if Pacquiao prevails as expected against Diaz, but the promoter believes he can go in a multitude of other directions, including towards Oscar De La Hoya, if he chooses to.

Last week Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach, dismissed such De La Hoya talk, although admitting Oscar had expressed both an interest in facing Pacquiao and a distaste for him, an enmity which Roach said Pacquiao shares for boxing’s Golden Boy. Yet Roach said the obvious size difference (De La Hoya is nearly five inches taller and outweighs Pacquiao by 20 pounds at normal fighting weights) was simply too much to overlook, unless De La Hoya was prepared to do a lot more dieting than he has in years. Wednesday, Arum disagreed.

“I would not be opposed to that fight if Manny shows he can handle 135 pounds because I don’t think Oscar can fight any more,’’ Pacquiao’s bombastic promoter said. “I think he’ll struggle with (Steve) Forbes. He’ll beat him but he’ll struggle because Oscar’s a six-round fighter now.

“Would I put Pacquiao in with the old Oscar? Of course not, but he’s not the old Oscar. He can’t go more than six rounds. He won’t pay the price to condition himself any more. He thinks he’s doing it, but he isn’t. Look at how many fights he’s run out of gas.

“How serious are you when you insist on living at home when you train? (Bernard) Hopkins is super serious. He would never stay in Philadelphia to train for a fight. He’d never think of training at home. Oscar insists on it.

“Oscar never liked to train, but when you’re young, youth overcomes it. Not any more. I wouldn’t have put Manny in with the old Oscar but I’d put him in with an old Oscar. Sh-- yeah. If he can handle 135 pounds, I think he’d have a real good shot to win.

“We’ll fight him at any weight he wants. Who gives a sh--? If Manny beats him, it’s not because of the weight. It’ll be because of the speed.’’

Speed is a gift Pacquiao possesses in large measure, and it is the one Arum believes will hold him in good stead as a lightweight, as long as he doesn’t find the fighters at 135 pound simply too strong to handle.

Pacquiao, you may recall, began his career at 106 pounds and has won world titles at flyweight, super bantamweight and super featherweight. What that means is he’s already fighting at 30 pounds above his original weight as a professional and to face De La Hoya he’d very likely have to move to welterweight, give or take two or three pounds at best.

Still, Arum was adamant that he would be willing to risk Pacquiao against De La Hoya, although he was quick to point out that his fighter didn’t really need him.

“The most important direction for Manny to go is to build on his legacy,’’ Arum said. “If he beats Diaz and wins a fourth world title then we’ll decide who he fights next. He has a plethora of options and opponents to choose from.

“He could fight Nate Campbell to unify the lightweight title. He may want to fight (Edwin) Valero (the WBA super featherweight champion). Since Valero got licensed in Texas we could do that fight in Macau (a Portugese gambling colony on an island not far from the Phillipines).

“He could fight Joan Guzman (the undefeated WBO titleholder at 130 pounds). He could have another fight with Marquez. He has a whole field to choose from. So I really think it depends on how he does against Diaz. How he handles that weight. If he dominates Diaz, maybe we go to Nate Campbell for the unified title. I think that would be a huge fight. A unification is a bigger fight than Marquez.’’

That seems difficult to believe, but if Pacquiao defeats Diaz he will have 15 days to decide if he intends to remain at that weight and defend the title or reclaim the WBC’s 130-pound title he now holds. That would obviously preclude a showdown with De La Hoya but it would not change his money making possibilities.

“The guys at lightweight will be bigger and stronger but Manny’s speed and power can negate that,’’ Arum said of Pacquiao. “What’s important is that he does what’s best for him.’’

Arum seems to believe that might be trying to become the first unified lightweight champion since Roberto Duran held all the titles back in 1978. While much of the boxing world has grown weary of the alphabet organizations that have so often polluted the sport and served as obstructionists at best and assasins at worst, Arum insisted they remain the only measuring stick there is.

He once again loudly rejected out of hand the RING magazine belts which have begun to grow in prominence. Although RING insists that anyone holding its belt only loses it in the ring or by retirement or abandonment, Arum has railed against them ever since De La Hoya’s company bought the magazine a year ago. However, Wednesday he insisted that wasn’t his problem with recognizing the RING belt holder as the true champion.

“Maybe I’m an old fart,’’ Arum said with a laugh. “Maybe I’m old fashioned. But to me the unified title is significant. The RING belt is all b.s. If Manny defeats Diaz will he be considered the best lightweight in the world? No, because Nate Campbell is out there with the other belts (WBA, WBO, IBF. Joel Casamayor holds the RING belt).

“He could fight Casamayor after that. That’s an alternative but the RING magazine belt is flawed. Why is it flawed? They got a guy like Floyd Mayweather as their welterweight champion and he hasn’t defended that title against a legitimate welterweight since he won it 15 months ago.

“Who cares when they allow that? What does it all mean? Nothing! There’s gotta be some rules and regulations. Obviously sometimes the sanctioning bodies violate their own rules but there has to be some kind of structure.’’

Not for Pacquiao, who doesn’t need anyone’s belt to define him. He is one of boxing’s hottest properties today whether he’s wearing a champion’s belt or he isn’t, and the proof of that is that he wore no title belts in any of his high grossing fights with Erik Morales and Marco Antonio Barrera and nobody cared. They still don’t, a fact not lost on Arum and one that gives Manny Pacquiao what few fighters have these days: options and opportunities not controlled by anyone else.

“Manny is a unique individual in boxing,’’ Arum said. “He has an entire country behind him. The people in the Phillipines live and die on his every move. It’s phenomenal.’’

It would be even more phenomenal, and frankly phenomenally unlikely, if one day they were cheering him on as he stood inside a boxing ring facing Oscar De La Hoya.

[mad_takamura]

Could you even afford to go to a school livig In a poor arse country like the Phillipines?

Marquez won 9 rounds to 3 which would be 117 - 111 but Pac scored a knockdown making It 116-111 so nothing wrong with my math but theirs something wrong with you blind Pac fans, are you all blind by the propaganda In your country?Hey mr. discrimanator, can i ask what rounds are those.
And please dont label my country poor-ass. We woul'dnt have been if not for globalization and wto plus the corrupt mafia politicians that we have. Say that shit in our face and we'll cut you to bits and pieces and sell you as siopao, like the monthly corpses that is fished in our rivers and in black plastic bags in our garbage bins....

[Jbuz]

:lol:

Why are all of these threads being bumped still?

I'm sure I posted something embarrassing in here. I was totally on the "DLH by KO" train.

[vorapsak2002]

pacDbest..., one of the best( if not the best) esb poster, ever....

[Nestea]

All Hail PacDbest!