DLH, Mosely are better fighters than Floyd all around.

[Amsterdam]

Prime to prime and resume comparison's.

Look at Mosely's comp, DLH's comp and Mayweather's comp. There is not a person on Floyd's resume who wouldn't have been throughly beaten by a good version of either Mosely, or a good version of DLH. In fact, they'd have beaten most more impressively than Floyd did, namely thinking of Floyd's hardest fight against the ultra-limited Jose Luis Castillo.

Do you see the 135 DLH not utterly destroying Castillo with no trouble, Mosely also?:yep

Then of course I'd favour plenty of Oscar's 154 and under opposition over Floyd -

Quartey, Pea, Chavez, Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely(prime) etc....

Not even diving into MW, where Oscar himself was nothing near effective.

And looking at Mosely's, I'd easily favour Forrest(heavily at that), Oscar(prime), Wright and of course Cotto, whom Mosely almost beat.

Can't wait until PBF fights Cotto and gets throughly defeated or stopped, then look back on how an aging Mosely nearly BEAT Cotto and what that will say in comparing these fighters.

Who agree's? Oscar even has a common opponent in Hernandez and finished him off sooner and easier than Floyd did. Yet you guys have Floyd ranked over Oscar all time?

Hell no. Oscar fought way better comp from 135-147 and was even much more impressive.

Don't bring size into the issue either, because Oscar went up to 154 and was very effective there, where as Floyd's really looked like shit at Welter in comparison to 130-135.

[PH|LLA]

I agree in the sense that ALOT of the elite fighters could take Floyd's resume and go undefeated with it.

But i disagree that Mosley would have utterly destroyed Castillo with no trouble. Castillo beat Stevie Johnston and gave PBF his hardest fight, one which imo JLC won. There is no way he gets "utterly destroyed"

The truth is that Mosley never destroyed anyone on prime Castillo's level, but that debate is for another thread

[Amsterdam]

Furthermore, how does Mosely or DLH do against Hatton even in the state they are in now? Let's say Oscar, now shot, can still make 147 pounds and is fighting Hatton, I think Oscar KO's him easily with zero trouble.

Same for Mosely, quick, nasty KO's with zero trouble.

:yep

[cdub1012]

of course they were... i thought DLH barely pulled out the win against mayweather when they fought... think about it an old, VERY inactive, ring rusted , etc etc DLH fought a very close fight with the pound for pound king... so think what would happen in DLH prime... same wit mosley... i thought he beat cotto in a helll of a fight... so what does that tell you about those 2 fighters....

[Amsterdam]

I agree in the sense that ALOT of the elite fighters could take Floyd's resume and go undefeated with it.

But i disagree that Mosley would have utterly destroyed Castillo with no trouble. Castillo beat Stevie Johnston and gave PBF his hardest fight, one which imo JLC won. There is no way he gets "utterly destroyed"

Mosely was too much at LW, he's also done pretty decent against pressure fighters even past his best and Castillo is a lot smaller and ultra-limited, Castillo's got a very good 1 dimension, but he's very beatable.

Stevie Johnston is someone to bring up in a close win as something impressive for a top elite? Nah.

But yeah, give Oscar and Mosely Floyd's resume and they'd be undefeated and would have beaten everyone a lot more impressively.

The size situation is a comparison, but I also noted how both went up in a similiar amount of weight and were competitive/effective against truly top opposition at those weight classes.

[cdub1012]

also i would never rank PBF above oscar or shane in P4P ranking... easy competiton... with the exception of a few fighters..

[Amsterdam]

of course they were... i thought DLH barely pulled out the win against mayweather when they fought... think about it an old, VERY inactive, ring rusted , etc etc DLH fought a very close fight with the pound for pound king... so think what would happen in DLH prime... same wit mosley... i thought he beat cotto in a helll of a fight... so what does that tell you about those 2 fighters....

So basically I'm sick and tired of Floyd being crowned the best of this era when there are better selections if things are looked at unbiased.

And let me tell you, I hate Oscar De La Hoya, but his resume and performances against vastly better opposition than Floyd's put him over Floyd all time without a doubt.

Then look at Oscar's performances against Floyd-level opposition and he buzzsawed through them all with little to no trouble.

[cdub1012]

Mosely was too much at LW, he's also done pretty decent against pressure fighters even past his best and Castillo is a lot smaller and ultra-limited, Castillo's got a very good 1 dimension, but he's very beatable.

Stevie Johnston is someone to bring up in a close win as something impressive for a top elite? Nah.

But yeah, give Oscar and Mosely Floyd's resume and they'd be undefeated and would have beaten everyone a lot more impressively.

The size situation is a comparison, but I also noted how both went up in a similiar amount of weight and were competitive/effective against truly top opposition at those weight classes. i agrre and thats why DLH an mosley are my favorite fights... they could have done what mayweather did an take easy fights but they took very dangerous fights that ppl said they were crazy for taking... like hopkins, an wright .... they never backed down from a challenge

[cdub1012]

For the love of GOD lol thank you amsterdam... finally a oscar hater will say oscar is better than mayweather.... my best of this era is DLH, Mosley, Hopkins, an tito.... an i hate tito but they were the big 4 of this era... the GREATS no question in my mind about...

[brooklyn1550]

I've often asked myself, "how would De La Hoya and Mosley fare against Floyd's competition?"

Oscar would be 38-0 with around 30+ knockouts
Mosley would be 39-0 with around 30+ knockouts

I don't think Floyd beats either of them H2H at 135, 140, or 147, when they were at their best. In fact, I think prime versions of the 1990s WW crop (De La Hoya, Mosley, Trinidad, Forrest, and Quartey) beat everybody right now.

[FlatNose]

I give Floyd credit for taking on Corrales when Diego was undefeated and looking fearsome and unbeatable. The Castillio fights were tough assiments too. But what has Floyd done lately besides talk, cherry pick opponents, and engage in dancing contests and sensual psuedo wrestling events with HGH saturated actors? Cotto won't go away just because Floyd chooses to ignore him. If you're biggest wins are over Corrales and Castillio in the first half of your career, and you just become a clown in the second half , can you really expect to make it to the HOF?

[superchile]

agreed whit evrything you said except cotto stoping maywhether, ocscar,and mosley in their prime would have stoped mayrunner

[Asterion]

I give Floyd credit for taking on Corrales when Diego was undefeated and looking fearsome and unbeatable. The Castillio fights were tough assiments too. But what has Floyd done lately besides talk, cherry pick opponents, and engage in dancing contests and sensual psuedo wrestling events with HGH saturated actors? Cotto won't go away just because Floyd chooses to ignore him. If you're biggest wins are over Corrales and Castillio in the first half of your career, and you just become a clown in the second half , can you really expect to make it to the HOF?


I have bad news for you: Mayweather will be in the HOF. :yep

[cdub1012]

i agree diego was bad ass.... but he was so weight drained for that fight... an i think thats what did him in... and i agrre the 90's crop of WW would smoke todays crop

[David_TheMan]

i agree diego was bad ass.... but he was so weight drained for that fight... an i think thats what did him in... and i agrre the 90's crop of WW would smoke todays crop

Weight had nothing to do with what happended to Diego in the ring that night, I'm a Diego fan by the way.

[Amsterdam]

also i would never rank PBF above oscar or shane in P4P ranking... easy competiton... with the exception of a few fighters..

Exactly, the guy has NEVER fought a prime elite fighter, meaning a true to form A level fighter, Oscar's fought many and while I think he recieved some gift decisions, he still was competitive with them all, guys that would have killed Floyd.

Castillo and Corrales aren't elite fighters.

[Sweet Pea]

Well, I usually agree with these things from you, but very little of this thread do I honestly agree with.

[Miles5149]

good thread, couldn't agree more

[jecxbox]

I've often asked myself, "how would De La Hoya and Mosley fare against Floyd's competition?"

Oscar would be 38-0 with around 30+ knockouts
Mosley would be 39-0 with around 30+ knockouts

I don't think Floyd beats either of them H2H at 135, 140, or 147, when they were at their best. In fact, I think prime versions of the 1990s WW crop (De La Hoya, Mosley, Trinidad, Forrest, and Quartey) beat everybody right now.


:deal

[Amsterdam]

Well, I usually agree with these things from you, but very little of this thread do I honestly agree with.

What do you not agree with?

Of which of Floyd's comp does Mosely and Oscar not easily beat?

Of which of Mosely and Oscar's top comp from 135-154 does not easily beat Joy Boy at these weights?

The Castillo fights are really a wake up call for anybody who thinks Floyd is ever going to beat real elite pressure fighters, then how he's generally never dominated but one B+ fighter in Corrales, albeit showing enough at 130 to be the H2H top there....

Fuck guys, Oscar at 135-140 is also a H2H monster just as good and there are BETTER fucking fighters that fought at those weights.

Oscar likely loses to a guy like Pryor, but he's going to be seriously competitive, Floyd would just get obliterated by a prime Pryor at 140, that's ATG level pressure/swarming guys, not fucking B+ pressure.

Floyd's resume is a very good one, just not on the level of some of his near-past contemporaries.

[jecxbox]

DLH & Mosely are better fighters than Floyd, definitely.

Floyd is more skilled than they are. But I'd still pick prime versions of Mosley and DLH to beat him everytime.

[KO Boxing]

:lol: :patsch

A Calzaghe fan using RESUME (of all things) to indicate why Floyd is not as good as Oscar or Mosely?! :scaredas:

Now I've seen it all.

[Amsterdam]

:lol: :patsch

A Calzaghe fan using RESUME (of all things) to indicate why Floyd is not as good as Oscar or Mosely?! :scaredas:

Now I've seen it all.

At least, at fucking least, Calzaghe has fought a prime elite fighter at his best weight class.

Not even suggesting that Calzaghe's overall resume is where Floyd's is standing, OR where DLH's is standing.

I'm just saying Floyd doesn't deserve the accolades he gets when he's taken the least possible path of resistance in his prime, when he can get any fight he wanted due to his name status, where as other top fighters are often stuck in spots due to risk/reward.

And Oscar and Mosely would shred through Floyd's entire resume, easy. There is not one fighter in his resume at the time he fought them that would give good versions of Mosely and Oscar real problems.

[pirlo]

One word - LOL.

[brooklyn1550]

One word - LOL.

What parts don't you agree with?

[Sweet Pea]

Of which of Floyd's comp does Mosely and Oscar not easily beat?
They do beat most of it, if not all.

Of which of Mosely and Oscar's top comp from 135-154 does not easily beat Joy Boy at these weights?Which do is the better question? The ones who dominated Shane would likely beat Floyd, Winky anyway. I think Forrest is hugely overrated though. Not adaptable at all.

:lol: At the old, shot Chavez beating Floyd. I'd favor Floyd over Mosley at LW at least, WW is a closer call. Vargas, Quartey, and Tito I may favor, though some of them are interesting matchups, namely Trinidad.

The Castillo fights are really a wake up call for anybody who thinks Floyd is ever going to beat real elite pressure fighters, then how he's generally never dominated but one B+ fighter in Corrales, albeit showing enough at 130 to be the H2H top there....True, but Chavez was no better at that stage than Castillo, if even that good, and Floyd beat him pretty handily in the rematch. As far as the others, which qualify as technical, stalking pressure fighter in the mold of Castillo?

Fuck guys, Oscar at 135-140 is also a H2H monster just as good and there are BETTER fucking fighters that fought at those weights.He was excellent at the weights, no doubt, and I may slightly favor him over Floyd at 140, but not Shane, and I don't agree with you that the majority of their comp, especially an old Chavez, Forrest, etc would handily beat Floyd.

Oscar likely loses to a guy like Pryor, but he's going to be seriously competitive, Floyd would just get obliterated by a prime Pryor at 140, that's ATG level pressure/swarming guys, not fucking B+ pressure.Based on styles, I may agree.


Floyd's resume is a very good one, just not on the level of some of his near-past contemporaries.
Agreed, but still better than Mosley's.

[KO Boxing]

At least, at fucking least, Calzaghe has fought a prime elite fighter at his best weight class.
I'd argue that Floyd's 130 pound (his best weight) resume is greater than Calzaghe's 168 resume. So I dunno what you mean there?

Not even suggesting that Calzaghe's overall resume is where Floyd's is standing
Phew :D

And Oscar and Mosely would shred through Floyd's entire resume, easy. There is not one fighter in his resume at the time he fought them that would give good versions of Mosely and Oscar real problems.
And what does this really mean? RJJ, Toney and Hopkins (in their primes) would have done MUCH MUCH worse to the entire Calzaghe resume... Yet I keep hearing Calzaghe UD Toney?

That's probably true though, but there's also the flip side. I'd personally only tip Wright from Mosely's resume over Floyd, but that was at 154. So hardly fair. And this bull shit about Forrest or Cotto (or Oscar), na. That's only opinion. Floyd beats all, imo, with Forrest's height and style being the hardest to over-come.

Floyd would eat ALL of Oscar's pre-147 resume.... EAT. At 147 and above, yes, there are possibly a few names I'd favour over Floyd. But tipping 154 pounders and 160 pounders over lil Floyd hardly seems like something to bring Floyd down about.

[Scorpion]

Good argument but the man did start a a very low weightclass.

[Relentless]

lightweight shane mosley was the ultimate fighter, he was just too awesome!

[brooklyn1550]

The only one who could had KOED Floyd, was Tito at 147, but that wasnt the best weight for Floyd

And Tommy:good

[Irish Steel]

I honestly think DLH ranks higher than Floyd. And prime for prime, DLH beats him as well.

[Amsterdam]

[/size]

And Tommy:good

How is Forrest not a major favourite at 147? He's got the nastiest style for Floyd this side of Thomas Hearns, a tall, lengthy counter puncher with good power?

Forrest knocks him the fuck out, he hit a whole harder than Zab Judah does.:lol:

[KO Boxing]

lightweight shane mosley was the ultimate fighter, he was just too awesome!
True. But does saying that Floyd would rip into EVERY single one of his opponents there, mean anything in relation to Shane vs Floyd at 135?

Terrible laid out argument, imo. Similar to A beats B and B beats C so A must beat C. Boxing doesn't work like that.

[brooklyn1550]

I was talking about our era

Okay, my bad...

[Sweet Pea]

How is Forrest not a major favourite at 147? He's got the nastiest style for Floyd this side of Thomas Hearns, a tall, lengthy counter puncher with good power?

Forrest knocks him the fuck out, he hit a whole harder than Zab Judah does.:lol:He countered Mosley a whole hell of a lot more than he would Floyd. Floyd is a better defender, mover, counter-puncher, and overall a more cautious fighter than Mosley, who's chances of winning relied on getting tagged up to have a chance on the inside.

What the hell is it with you and Forrest anyway? He had a jab and good boxing skills, but zero adaptability. It takes more than that to KO Floyd the way I see it.

[brooklyn1550]

How is Forrest not a major favourite at 147? He's got the nastiest style for Floyd this side of Thomas Hearns, a tall, lengthy counter puncher with good power?

Forrest knocks him the fuck out, he hit a whole harder than Zab Judah does.:lol:

There was a thread on this a while back. I was the lone Forrest supporter on there who gave an in-depth analysis.

Forrest, pre Mayorga, had a superb jab, timing, good speed, and a healthy shoulder. Floyd wouldn't out jab him from the outside or win by potshotting. And his aggressive style he used to beat Judah would only put him at an even greater risk.

I've always thought Forrest clearly/decisively beats Floyd (or anybody else currently at 147 for that matter).

[Amsterdam]

He countered Mosley a whole hell of a lot more than he would Floyd. Floyd is a better defender, mover, counter-puncher, and overall a more cautious fighter than Mosley, who's chances of winning relied on getting tagged up to have a chance on the inside.

Mosely also has an incredible chin, Floyd's chin at 147 has never been tested fully, what we have to go off of is Zab landing a flush left hook and stunning him.

He'd keep Floyd off that long jab and would definitely land his best counter shots.

How is Floyd going to beat him? Pot shotting? Do you realise that Forrest himself has quite a solid defence also? A whole lot better than anybody Floyd's fought ever?


What the hell is it with you and Forrest anyway? He had a jab and good boxing skills, but zero adaptability. It takes more than that to KO Floyd the way I see it.


I think you overrate Floyd big time. All I know is that a top class jab can severely disrupt Floyd and a guy with great timing can counter him, Forrest has both and he had good power at Welter, superior to Zab's.

Floyd would get KOed. You don't even know what you are talking about here because you underrate Forrest by choice and I am guessing overrate Floyd because of the consistent Mayweather-love that has made everybody believe he's more than he is.

[brooklyn1550]

I should had been more precise!

Do you think, that at 135lbs, that Floyd had the power to put away Mosley? His way to land clean FAST punch that you don't see coming are better than pure pure power, although he wasnt a punk in that departement in these low-weight

He had better power at 135, but not the kind of power necessary to put away Shane. Shane's chin is iron.

[Amsterdam]

There was a thread on this a while back. I was the lone Forrest supporter on there who gave an in-depth analysis.

Forrest, pre Mayorga, had a superb jab, timing, good speed, and a healthy shoulder. Based on Floyd showing susceptibilites on the outside to Judah, I think somebody with Forrest's height, length, and jab could do even better. Floyd wouldn't out jab him from the outside or win by potshotting. And his aggressive style he used to beat Judah would only put him at an even greater risk.

I've always thought Forrest clearly/decisively beats Floyd (or anybody else currently at 147 for that matter).

I also cannot believe people truly believe that a prime Mosely or DLH wouldn't beat Floyd at Welterweight especially, we're dealing with the vulnerable, pot shotting Welter version of Floyd versus these fantastic Welter's that H2H are pretty good in any era.

I've even seen some idiots who think Leonard and Duran wouldn't spark Floyd at 147.... what the fuck is going on here.

Then the worst of all, some guys pick Hearns by 'close UD'.:rofl

They can't pick Joy Boy over Hearns but can't admit that he'd be KTFO early in the same right.

I keep hearing 'his defensive mastery', you guys are damn right he's a great defensive fighter, but we're dealing with ATG offensive boxers here that can crack any defence.

[Stezzie]

DLH almost never wins a major fight...yet he would beat Floyd in his prime? Mosley just doesnt have the skills nor style to beat Floyd at any point in his career...This thread is saturated with lunacy...

[brooklyn1550]

okay! how do you rate the chin of Floyd in the lower category?

Very good

[Amsterdam]

He had better power at 135, but not the kind of power necessary to put away Shane. Shane's chin is iron.

Shane's made out of steel, the shots he's taken over the years would have KOed a lot of lesser guys. That shot Forrest put him down with sounded like a baseball bat hitting concrete, then the shots he took from DLH and others.

Even aging, but not shot by any means, taking Cotto's best body punches and counters and not really even blinking.

He'd go right through Floyd prime to prime at any of the weight classes being talked about, especially 147, Floyd is pretty normal at 147, nothing dazzling like he was at the lower classes.

[Amsterdam]

okay! how do you rate the chin of Floyd in the lower category?

At 130, top notch.

At 135, good.

At 140, have no clue.

At 147, average.

[Sweet Pea]

Mosely also has an incredible chin, Floyd's chin at 147 has never been tested fully, what we have to go off of is Zab landing a flush left hook and stunning him.OK, he also recovered quite quickly, and let's not pretend Judah has no power.

He'd keep Floyd off that long jab and would definitely land his best counter shots.Again, Floyd's defense would allow him to do better than someone like Mosley, who was getting tagged up, and Floyd's overall style wouldn't lead to as many countering opportunities for Forrest.

How is Floyd going to beat him? Pot shotting? Do you realise that Forrest himself has quite a solid defence also? A whole lot better than anybody Floyd's fought ever?And do you realize that Floyd has a FAR better defense than anyone Forrest has ever fought? His style doesn't play into Forrest's hands the way Mosley's does. I guess you could argue a past prime Quartey's shell defense was quite effective, especially seeing as he managed to handily outbox Forrest and get robbed.

I think you overrate Floyd big time. All I know is that a top class jab can severely disrupt Floyd and a guy with great timing can counter him, Forrest has both and he had good power at Welter, superior to Zab's.Floyd has shown some susceptibility to a jab, yes, but not a huge weakness like you seem to make out. Oscar used the jab to get inside, not to keep Floyd at bay and pick him off, which would be quite difficult against someone as fast and adaptable as Floyd.


Floyd would get KOed. You don't even know what you are talking about here because you underrate Forrest by choice and I am guessing overrate Floyd because of the consistent Mayweather-love that has made everybody believe he's more than he is.
Now you're just being ridiculous.

[Dorfmeister]

I see ODLH that beat Rafael Ruelas and John John Molina beating with some difficulty but proving himself much stronger physically to JLC, Victoriano Sosa and Phillip NDou. Mosley that stopped Golden Johnson, Jesse James Leija and John John Molina, would do the same to NDou, Sosa and maybe even to Castillo... On the flipside, Floyd beats Holiday, Gomez, Ceballos, Ruiz, Morales, Leija, Golden Johnson and John Brown, Cal Griffith, John Avila and Genaro Hernandez easy. The one hard task would be John John Molina but Floyd would probably win close like he did to Castillo.

At welterweight, Floyd would have huge problems with Oscar's opposition in Pernel Whitaker, Ike Quartey, Felix Trinidad and Shane Mosley. he would beat David Kamau, Patrick Charpentier, Julio Cesar Chavez, Oba Carr, Derrel Colley and Arturo Gatti. He would handle with Mosley's opposition in Antonio Diaz, Shannan Taylor and Adrian Stone but not Vernon Forrest.

Above 147 pounds, Floyd beats Raul Marquez but loses to Winky Wright I'm afraid. Toys with Ricardo Mayorga, Javier Castillejo but struggles with Fernando Vargas, loses to Shane at 154. Hopkins eats Mayweather in six but Floyd should win a 12 round decision against Felix Sturm.

Of course, Oscar and Shane at their primes beat Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir and Ricky Hatton.

[pirlo]

Prime for prime Floyd beat Oscar almost year ago btw.

[Sweet Pea]

He'd go right through Floyd prime to prime at any of the weight classes being talked about, especially 147, Floyd is pretty normal at 147, nothing dazzling like he was at the lower classes.So how does Mosley go about beating Floyd at 135? By staying at mid-range and looking to land combos whenever Floyd gets in range, despite the fact that Floyd would be pot-shotting and using movement to keep on the outside? I think Floyd wins a pretty handy Decision at 135, as Mosley is another fighter who was quite limited against certain types, and you no longer have the excuse that Mayweather doesn't use his feet as well(which is an excuse at 147).

[pirlo]

Floyd should win a 12 round decision against Felix Sturm.

Floyd would stop Sturm under 8 rounds every day of the week, twice on sunday.

[brooklyn1550]

Floyd would stop Sturm under 8 rounds every day of the week, twice on sunday.

No, he wouldn't. Floyd's power would be so ineffective against MWs, it's not even funny.

[pirlo]

No, he wouldn't. Floyd's power would be so ineffective against MWs, it's not even funny.

You aint seen many Strum fights it seems. He is really easy to hurt.

[brooklyn1550]

You aint seen many Strum fights it seems. He is really easy to hurt.

His chin isn't anything special. He would get brutally stopped by Pavlik and Abraham. But he's tasted bigger power than Floyd would have at MW.

[markbrooklyn]

Shane's made out of steel, the shots he's taken over the years would have KOed a lot of lesser guys. That shot Forrest put him down with sounded like a baseball bat hitting concrete, then the shots he took from DLH and others.

Even aging, but not shot by any means, taking Cotto's best body punches and counters and not really even blinking.

He'd go right through Floyd prime to prime at any of the weight classes being talked about, especially 147, Floyd is pretty normal at 147, nothing dazzling like he was at the lower classes.

Steroids will help you do that. Shane Mosely was ROIDED out let's be honest dude.

[jimmie]

Furthermore, how does Mosely or DLH do against Hatton even in the state they are in now? Let's say Oscar, now shot, can still make 147 pounds and is fighting Hatton, I think Oscar KO's him easily with zero trouble.

Same for Mosely, quick, nasty KO's with zero trouble.

:yep

Why exactly is Oscar shot ? If hes shut Floyd wouldve atleast won 10 or 11 rounds maybe even got a ref stoppage and Oscar sure wouldnt have walked threw Mayorga if was shot. Theres a big difference between past your prime and shot. Shot is what Fernando Vargas or Erik Morales are now where a guy almost looks and fights nothing like he did his prime. If Oscar fought more often hed probablly look alittle sharper.

[Relentless]

Steroids will help you do that. Shane Mosely was ROIDED out let's be honest dude.

you sound like you have taken steroids and know what you're talking about.


so exactly what do roids do?

[jimmie]

Steroids will help you do that. Shane Mosely was ROIDED out let's be honest dude.

He took roids one time for one fight where he looked like utter shit in. You really think with that coming out before the Cotto fight hed use them for that fight ? Mosleys never needed them like Cotto needs low blows and paid off judges.

[jecxbox]

Floyd would stop Sturm under 8 rounds every day of the week, twice on sunday.


you are on COCAINE:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[maciek4]

Prime to prime and resume comparison's.

Look at Mosely's comp, DLH's comp and Mayweather's comp. There is not a person on Floyd's resume who wouldn't have been throughly beaten by a good version of either Mosely, or a good version of DLH. In fact, they'd have beaten most more impressively than Floyd did, namely thinking of Floyd's hardest fight against the ultra-limited Jose Luis Castillo.

Do you see the 135 DLH not utterly destroying Castillo with no trouble, Mosely also?:yep

Then of course I'd favour plenty of Oscar's 154 and under opposition over Floyd -

Quartey, Pea, Chavez, Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely(prime) etc....

Not even diving into MW, where Oscar himself was nothing near effective.

And looking at Mosely's, I'd easily favour Forrest(heavily at that), Oscar(prime), Wright and of course Cotto, whom Mosely almost beat.

Can't wait until PBF fights Cotto and gets throughly defeated or stopped, then look back on how an aging Mosely nearly BEAT Cotto and what that will say in comparing these fighters.

Who agree's? Oscar even has a common opponent in Hernandez and finished him off sooner and easier than Floyd did. Yet you guys have Floyd ranked over Oscar all time?

Hell no. Oscar fought way better comp from 135-147 and was even much more impressive.

Don't bring size into the issue either, because Oscar went up to 154 and was very effective there, where as Floyd's really looked like shit at Welter in comparison to 130-135.

This is good shit! Thats how I see it as well! :good

Brilliant!

[nighthunter]

Prime to prime and resume comparison's.

Look at Mosely's comp, DLH's comp and Mayweather's comp. There is not a person on Floyd's resume who wouldn't have been throughly beaten by a good version of either Mosely, or a good version of DLH. In fact, they'd have beaten most more impressively than Floyd did, namely thinking of Floyd's hardest fight against the ultra-limited Jose Luis Castillo.

Do you see the 135 DLH not utterly destroying Castillo with no trouble, Mosely also?:yep

Then of course I'd favour plenty of Oscar's 154 and under opposition over Floyd -

Quartey, Pea, Chavez, Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely(prime) etc....

Not even diving into MW, where Oscar himself was nothing near effective.

And looking at Mosely's, I'd easily favour Forrest(heavily at that), Oscar(prime), Wright and of course Cotto, whom Mosely almost beat.

Can't wait until PBF fights Cotto and gets throughly defeated or stopped, then look back on how an aging Mosely nearly BEAT Cotto and what that will say in comparing these fighters.

Who agree's? Oscar even has a common opponent in Hernandez and finished him off sooner and easier than Floyd did. Yet you guys have Floyd ranked over Oscar all time?

Hell no. Oscar fought way better comp from 135-147 and was even much more impressive.

Don't bring size into the issue either, because Oscar went up to 154 and was very effective there, where as Floyd's really looked like shit at Welter in comparison to 130-135.
:good
I Agree PBF is overrated

[ChampionsForever]

A prime Oscar beats Floyd everytime, how this can be disputed is beyond me, the semi-retired 1 fight a year DLH gave Floyd all he could handle and in my eyes drew with him, DLH would cruise to a points win back when he was golden. :hey

[Ramshall1]

Shane never ducked anyone, he's a much better "fighter" than Fraud. DLH arguably ducked some.

[PH|LLA]

Prime for prime Floyd beat Oscar almost year ago btw.
what?

[41fever]

Weight had nothing to do with what happended to Diego in the ring that night, I'm a Diego fan by the way.WHAT!!?? If you r a Diego fan u would know that WEIGHT DID have an affect on him. He was on his way to 135 and wanted to fight Lil Floyd there. But Floyd said no, only at 130. Chico def wasn't at his best.

[Pimp C]

Prime to prime and resume comparison's.

Look at Mosely's comp, DLH's comp and Mayweather's comp. There is not a person on Floyd's resume who wouldn't have been throughly beaten by a good version of either Mosely, or a good version of DLH. In fact, they'd have beaten most more impressively than Floyd did, namely thinking of Floyd's hardest fight against the ultra-limited Jose Luis Castillo.

Do you see the 135 DLH not utterly destroying Castillo with no trouble, Mosely also?:yep

Then of course I'd favour plenty of Oscar's 154 and under opposition over Floyd -

Quartey, Pea, Chavez, Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely(prime) etc....

Not even diving into MW, where Oscar himself was nothing near effective.

And looking at Mosely's, I'd easily favour Forrest(heavily at that), Oscar(prime), Wright and of course Cotto, whom Mosely almost beat.

Can't wait until PBF fights Cotto and gets throughly defeated or stopped, then look back on how an aging Mosely nearly BEAT Cotto and what that will say in comparing these fighters.

Who agree's? Oscar even has a common opponent in Hernandez and finished him off sooner and easier than Floyd did. Yet you guys have Floyd ranked over Oscar all time?

Hell no. Oscar fought way better comp from 135-147 and was even much more impressive.

Don't bring size into the issue either, because Oscar went up to 154 and was very effective there, where as Floyd's really looked like shit at Welter in comparison to 130-135.
Horrible post that I won't even bother to address because it's so full of shit. You tear down a ATG's resume like PBF but prop up a fighter like Calzaghe and his shit resume???:patsch You're a known member of the irrational PBF hater club with the likes of Ram, Carlito and Capfunds and have no credibility when discussing him.:-( In the future I'll treat your post the same way I treat theirs.

[pit]

Prime to prime and resume comparison's.

Look at Mosely's comp, DLH's comp and Mayweather's comp. There is not a person on Floyd's resume who wouldn't have been throughly beaten by a good version of either Mosely, or a good version of DLH. In fact, they'd have beaten most more impressively than Floyd did, namely thinking of Floyd's hardest fight against the ultra-limited Jose Luis Castillo.

Do you see the 135 DLH not utterly destroying Castillo with no trouble, Mosely also?:yep

Then of course I'd favour plenty of Oscar's 154 and under opposition over Floyd -

Quartey, Pea, Chavez, Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely(prime) etc....

Not even diving into MW, where Oscar himself was nothing near effective.

And looking at Mosely's, I'd easily favour Forrest(heavily at that), Oscar(prime), Wright and of course Cotto, whom Mosely almost beat.

Can't wait until PBF fights Cotto and gets throughly defeated or stopped, then look back on how an aging Mosely nearly BEAT Cotto and what that will say in comparing these fighters.

Who agree's? Oscar even has a common opponent in Hernandez and finished him off sooner and easier than Floyd did. Yet you guys have Floyd ranked over Oscar all time?

Hell no. Oscar fought way better comp from 135-147 and was even much more impressive.

Don't bring size into the issue either, because Oscar went up to 154 and was very effective there, where as Floyd's really looked like shit at Welter in comparison to 130-135.

No I can see Oscar totally destroying Castillio , at 135 Castillio was a very big , very strong 135 pounder with a good inside game , something that Oscar does not have .. Oscar might Out box Castillio yes , destroy him NO in order to do that you have to get close , up close against a prime Castillio no a good idea..

when will you guy learn ,, you guy were poping that same 2 step Bs when Hatton beat Castillio , if Hatton KOed Castillio surely he will KO Floyd ---- WRONG and the same goes for Cotto beating Shane ,, You guys fail to realize Shane only significant win after moving up from 135 is Oscar , Shane has not been the same shane since leaving 135.. Cotto beating a watered down version of the 135 shane at 147 is hardly anything to pop a cork over..

with out his strength advantage shane had at 135, Shane has not looked like the Shane of Old when he would use a combination of speed, strength and combo punching to ware his opponents down . At 147 shane is force to box which he has trouble doing and gets tagged way too much , and is willing to take a punch to land a punch , and is willing to stand in front of you , in order to score.

Against Floyd, Cotto will not have those type of opportunity he had against Shane ,Floyd will not try to out power Cotto and KO him like Shane did he will look to exploit him ..


Floyd finished Hernadez off with one hand after injuring the hand in mid round . c

[KO Boxing]

This thread should be merged with the "Anti Joy Boy" thread. Nothing but a lame attack on PBF by people who don't much like his personality, and are attempting to carry that over to his boxing career.

[Pimp C]

This thread should be merged with the "Anti Joy Boy" thread. Nothing but a lame attack on PBF by people who don't much like his personality, and are attempting to carry that over to his boxing career.
Exactly people are so upset that he's undefeated P4P#1 and not their favorite fighter. Not to mention he makes it look easy in the ring and never really been hurt or knocked down they can't stand it and want him hurt and lose badly. His personality does nothing but fuel their fire as well...sad really when you have one of the best fighters if not the best fighter of his era gets shitted on day in and day out.:-(

[twenty1]

Prime to prime and resume comparison's.

Look at Mosely's comp, DLH's comp and Mayweather's comp. There is not a person on Floyd's resume who wouldn't have been throughly beaten by a good version of either Mosely, or a good version of DLH. In fact, they'd have beaten most more impressively than Floyd did, namely thinking of Floyd's hardest fight against the ultra-limited Jose Luis Castillo.

Do you see the 135 DLH not utterly destroying Castillo with no trouble, Mosely also?:yep

Then of course I'd favour plenty of Oscar's 154 and under opposition over Floyd -

Quartey, Pea, Chavez, Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely(prime) etc....

Not even diving into MW, where Oscar himself was nothing near effective.

And looking at Mosely's, I'd easily favour Forrest(heavily at that), Oscar(prime), Wright and of course Cotto, whom Mosely almost beat.

Can't wait until PBF fights Cotto and gets throughly defeated or stopped, then look back on how an aging Mosely nearly BEAT Cotto and what that will say in comparing these fighters.

Who agree's? Oscar even has a common opponent in Hernandez and finished him off sooner and easier than Floyd did. Yet you guys have Floyd ranked over Oscar all time?

Hell no. Oscar fought way better comp from 135-147 and was even much more impressive.

Don't bring size into the issue either, because Oscar went up to 154 and was very effective there, where as Floyd's really looked like shit at Welter in comparison to 130-135.







How many damn anti Floyd post do we get from you man?......damn

[Knob McDude]

Exactly people are so upset that he's undefeated P4P#1 and not their favorite fighter. Not to mention he makes it look easy in the ring and never really been hurt or knocked down they can't stand it and want him hurt and lose badly. His personality does nothing but fuel their fire as well...sad really when you have one of the best fighters if not the best fighter of his era gets shitted on day in and day out.:-(

I agree with almost everything you said, but he was hurt by Corley, and knocked down by Judah.

Like many fighters, Floyd will get big props after he retires.

[twenty1]

This thread should be merged with the "Anti Joy Boy" thread. Nothing but a lame attack on PBF by people who don't much like his personality, and are attempting to carry that over to his boxing career.





Amsterdam always post negative :patsch shit about Floyd

[twenty1]

Exactly people are so upset that he's undefeated P4P#1 and not their favorite fighter. Not to mention he makes it look easy in the ring and never really been hurt or knocked down they can't stand it and want him hurt and lose badly. His personality does nothing but fuel their fire as well...sad really when you have one of the best fighters if not the best fighter of his era gets shitted on day in and day out.:-(






AMSTERDAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch

[Pimp C]

I agree with almost everything you said, but he was hurt by Corley, and knocked down by Judah.

Like many fighters, Floyd will get big props after he retires.
Yeah Chop Chop did buzz him but he came back to win the round and drop him in the same round. Zab knocked him down but it wasn't offical and not scored and PBF was never hurt mostly off balance more than anything.:good

[eliqueiros]

For the love of GOD lol thank you amsterdam... finally a oscar hater will say oscar is better than mayweather.... my best of this era is DLH, Mosley, Hopkins, an tito.... an i hate tito but they were the big 4 of this era... the GREATS no question in my mind about...

I'm glad everyone is giving these guys the respect long due them. They are all at the ending of their carreers and you are right. To me they are also the big four. Boxing is not the same now that they are old and definately won't be the same when they are gone. :happy

[Toopretty]

Everytime one of these Amsterbitch threads come about. His ass gets destroyed back to the dust from which he came. Floyd is the best fighter of this generation by showing it in the ring. The things he does in the ring sets him apart from everyone else. We all seen ODH have his reign of terror as did Shane. They moved up and got beat. Floyd moved up and kept on winning. The reason he is #1 is b/c when you watch him fight, you see pure skill. Not no sloppy ass Tko's like a Manfredy fight and a bunch of sloppy ass slaps only landing 1 out of 5. That aint fucking skills. Floyd looks GOOD DOING IT. Thats the difference. Fuck an amsterdam that loon.

[BigReg]

Everytime one of these Amsterbitch threads come about. His ass gets destroyed back to the dust from which he came. Floyd is the best fighter of this generation by showing it in the ring. The things he does in the ring sets him apart from everyone else. We all seen ODH have his reign of terror as did Shane. They moved up and got beat. Floyd moved up and kept on winning. The reason he is #1 is b/c when you watch him fight, you see pure skill. Not no sloppy ass Tko's like a Manfredy fight and a bunch of sloppy ass slaps only landing 1 out of 5. That aint fucking skills. Floyd looks GOOD DOING IT. Thats the difference. Fuck an amsterdam that loon.

:good Great post.

[Symphenyceo]

bhop,toney and rjj are all better all around fighters than calzaghe and would have destroyed everyone on his resume

[Toopretty]

WHAT!!?? If you r a Diego fan u would know that WEIGHT DID have an affect on him. He was on his way to 135 and wanted to fight Lil Floyd there. But Floyd said no, only at 130. Chico def wasn't at his best.

I am a Diego fan and he continued to fight at 130 after the Floyd fight. So your post is full of shit. Including two fights with Casamayor. :rofl:rofl

[Symphenyceo]

and all around they are not better fighters and with shane its not even close..."all around" meaning offense,defense,adaptability and ring smarts pbf is better than both..i could go on but its no need...hate is blind and it sometimes takes over your mind

[dave82]

As much as i dislike PBF outside of the ring, he is brilliant in it. I do not agree with this thread

[Lance_Uppercut]

Amsterdam operates in the very definition of hyperbole. He's like a hyper little dog who smells new crotch.

[twenty1]

Amsterdam operates in the very definition of hyperbole. He's like a hyper little dog who smells new crotch.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl




LOL........put his ass outside for the night:rofl :rofl

[cpnasty]

of course they were... i thought DLH barely pulled out the win against mayweather when they fought... think about it an old, VERY inactive, ring rusted , etc etc DLH fought a very close fight with the pound for pound king... so think what would happen in DLH prime... same wit mosley... i thought he beat cotto in a helll of a fight... so what does that tell you about those 2 fighters....


WTF???:admin You must be on drugs!

[Alo2006]

Exactly, the guy has NEVER fought a prime elite fighter, meaning a true to form A level fighter, Oscar's fought many and while I think he recieved some gift decisions, he still was competitive with them all, guys that would have killed Floyd.

Castillo and Corrales aren't elite fighters.

A prime DLH fought in an better era of fighters than Mayweather era. So he can't help if there aren't that many elites right now, or like it was during DLH prime. DLH also lost to most of them elites, and as u stated, he got some gifts against some elites.

[Alo2006]

Amsterdam operates in the very definition of hyperbole. He's like a hyper little dog who smells new crotch.

Didn't think u would ever change your avatar.

[Alo2006]

Yeah Chop Chop did buzz him but he came back to win the round and drop him in the same round. Zab knocked him down but it wasn't offical and not scored and PBF was never hurt mostly off balance more than anything.:good

I agree, he wasn't hurt, he was stunned.

[Dunks]

DLH almost never wins a major fight...yet he would beat Floyd in his prime? Mosley just doesnt have the skills nor style to beat Floyd at any point in his career...This thread is saturated with lunacy...

Agreed!!!!:good

Who has DLH beat in his prime?...lol

[platnumpapi]

Prime to prime and resume comparison's.

Look at Mosely's comp, DLH's comp and Mayweather's comp. There is not a person on Floyd's resume who wouldn't have been throughly beaten by a good version of either Mosely, or a good version of DLH. In fact, they'd have beaten most more impressively than Floyd did, namely thinking of Floyd's hardest fight against the ultra-limited Jose Luis Castillo.

Do you see the 135 DLH not utterly destroying Castillo with no trouble, Mosely also?:yep

Then of course I'd favour plenty of Oscar's 154 and under opposition over Floyd -

Quartey, Pea, Chavez, Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely(prime) etc....

Not even diving into MW, where Oscar himself was nothing near effective.

And looking at Mosely's, I'd easily favour Forrest(heavily at that), Oscar(prime), Wright and of course Cotto, whom Mosely almost beat.

Can't wait until PBF fights Cotto and gets throughly defeated or stopped, then look back on how an aging Mosely nearly BEAT Cotto and what that will say in comparing these fighters.

Who agree's? Oscar even has a common opponent in Hernandez and finished him off sooner and easier than Floyd did. Yet you guys have Floyd ranked over Oscar all time?

Hell no. Oscar fought way better comp from 135-147 and was even much more impressive.

Don't bring size into the issue either, because Oscar went up to 154 and was very effective there, where as Floyd's really looked like shit at Welter in comparison to 130-135.


i would not say better fighters but better resumes.the very same people oscar and shane fought against i think floyd could beat.only guys i would not be sure on his hopkins and winky.

i dont go by who beat who better, styles make fights, some guys have off nights,some fighters are injured before the fight or during.some fighters come in and give it all they got and then some.

also mayweather is not a big hitter, his power comes from more speed and accurate punching then anything.oscar was just bigger then alot of guys he fought early in his career.

mayweather has always been the smaller fighter fighting guys bigger then him and that walk around 20 pounds heavier then him.keep in mind pbf walks around at 150 were guys like hatton get has heavy as 175 to 80 easily.

oscar and shane teamed up to beat pbf and it di not work, neither of those fighters are as smart as pbf is in the ring, in there primes they were more durable then now but then i would have to think they were not as smart in the ring or they did not have that type of experience.

theres not one guy oscar or shane beat that makes me think floyd could not beat.

[Dorfmeister]

you are on COCAINE

I won't say that he is on dope but he really doesn't rate Floyd's physical strength well... Sturm had Oscar's face well marked from a continuous use of a stiff, steady jab and more important than that, he had Oscar on the back step... Very different from what Oscar done to Mosley with his own jab in 2003 - used it to keep Mosley from getting in... Floyd doesn't have the authority in his lead to make Sturm back off and he doesn't have the power in those hooks - uppercuts to stop Sturm like Castillejo did in Germany. Mayweather UD12 Sturm.

[Doomas]

Even tho these are valid points, and I allways thought that guys who fought around 2000 and earlier are far superior to fighters fighting today... but your underating Floyds H2H chances slightly for some "unkown" reason, just like you overrate Abrahams chances to beat Pavlik for yet another "unknow" reason :hey

[RICH]

Prime to prime and resume comparison's.

Look at Mosely's comp, DLH's comp and Mayweather's comp. There is not a person on Floyd's resume who wouldn't have been throughly beaten by a good version of either Mosely, or a good version of DLH. In fact, they'd have beaten most more impressively than Floyd did, namely thinking of Floyd's hardest fight against the ultra-limited Jose Luis Castillo.

Do you see the 135 DLH not utterly destroying Castillo with no trouble, Mosely also?:yep

Then of course I'd favour plenty of Oscar's 154 and under opposition over Floyd -

Quartey, Pea, Chavez, Vargas, Trinidad, Mosely(prime) etc....

Not even diving into MW, where Oscar himself was nothing near effective.

And looking at Mosely's, I'd easily favour Forrest(heavily at that), Oscar(prime), Wright and of course Cotto, whom Mosely almost beat.

Can't wait until PBF fights Cotto and gets throughly defeated or stopped, then look back on how an aging Mosely nearly BEAT Cotto and what that will say in comparing these fighters.

Who agree's? Oscar even has a common opponent in Hernandez and finished him off sooner and easier than Floyd did. Yet you guys have Floyd ranked over Oscar all time?

Hell no. Oscar fought way better comp from 135-147 and was even much more impressive.

Don't bring size into the issue either, because Oscar went up to 154 and was very effective there, where as Floyd's really looked like shit at Welter in comparison to 130-135.

AGREED :good .

[RICH]

Even tho these are valid points, and I allways thought that guys who fought around 2000 and earlier are far superior to fighters fighting today... but your underating Floyds H2H chances slightly for some "unkown" reason, just like you overrate Abrahams chances to beat Pavlik for yet another "unknow" reason :hey

I AGREE WITH YOU ON THE 2000 FIGHTERS OVER THE CURRENT FIGHTERS.

[fitzgeraldz]

DLH and Mosley had their stiffest comp against boxers ... (for the exception of the Tito fight)

Mosley lost 5 fights to boxers ...

These guys have never outboxed anyone ... they're exciting to watch because of their hand speed and power (overwhelming their opponents) but they can't box.

Mosley doesn't throw the jab ... neither does DLH ... they're brawlers with fast hands. Thats why there was no dispute to as who won against Cotto and PBF.

[BewareofDawg]

Your avatar speaks volumes about your sexual nature.
At least he's smart enough to figure out how to put up a pic dummy :deal

[fitzgeraldz]

Mosley got his fame off of beating DLH ... other than that he lost to better fighters than he beat.

DLH has never beat a good boxer and has never beaten an elite guy in his prime.