Marlon Starling Vs Simon Brown

[Boro chris]

Apparently Starling took majority decision. Anyone tell me how it panned out?

[Cobra33]

This was when Starling was on his way up and before he became champ.Brown had his moments but Starling's defence and inside fighting were too much for Brown.Starling was actully the agressor in this bout.Brown attempted to box Starling.

[Cobra33]

Sorry-I met to say when Brown was on his way up.I believe Starling put the first loss on Brown's record.

[Boro chris]

Cheers.

[Titan1]

The good ole days, when Marlon was kicking ass.

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Starling was a little too experienced for Brown at the time....and may have been a little too good for Brown to beat at any point in their careers. It would have been good if there could have been a rematch between them when they were both title holders.

[mr. magoo]

Brown was outclassed, but it was the begining of a long and successful streak for Simon. He would soon be avoided by a lot of guys during the late 80's.

This is a great thread by the way. One of my favorite points in history was the welterweight class of the 80's. It started with Leonard, Hearns, Duran and Benitez. Then later we had Starling, Breland, Honeyghan, S. Brown, G. Brown, Blocker, Davis, Mccgirt.

What a great era that was!!!!!!!!!!

[JohnThomas1]

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Starling was a little too experienced for Brown at the time....and may have been a little too good for Brown to beat at any point in their careers. It would have been good if there could have been a rematch between them when they were both title holders.

Totally agree. Starling put dents in many a prospects record at this stage of his career, including Jose "The Threat" Baret as well. Many judged him to be a great learning experience and good barometer, but at the end of the day he showed his level as a barometer was much much higher than some had reckoned. Starling IMO was definitely the second best welter of his era, and also fought at his top level for much much much longer than the guy he was second too.

[Raggamuffin]

Who was the best of that era in your opinion ?

[JohnThomas1]

Who was the best of that era in your opinion ?

Easily Curry, he beat Moochie twice, the second time very convincingly and murdered McCrory. He also beat the dangerous Jones and very decent LaRocca. Curry's two wins over Starling and hammering of McCrory give him the title without debate.

[Raggamuffin]

Nah, i don't think Curry even had a prime at welter
He should have stayed at 154. MW was one step to many

[JohnThomas1]

Nah, i don't think Curry even had a prime at welter
He should have stayed at 154. MW was one step to many

You've totally lost me sorry. Curry's peak and prime is obviously at Welter, simple. He never did jackshit anywhere else at all, whilst at welter he attained the number 2 P4P title in boxing, not to mention his record there.

[mr. magoo]

Nah, i don't think Curry even had a prime at welter
He should have stayed at 154. MW was one step to many

What other division was Curry in his prime at??? I always felt that welterweight was by far his best. :huh

[JohnThomas1]

What other division was Curry in his prime at??? I always felt that welterweight was by far his best. :huh

I think he's mixed up, badly lol

[Raggamuffin]

He could not make 147 long enough to leave a mark at this weight.
I never thought high of him anyway.
They even tryed to make a match with Hagler. What a joke

[Raggamuffin]

In conclusion Curry was NOT a special fighter

[sweet_scientist]

I may be alone here, but I think the second Curry-Starling fight was close. I watched it some years ago and didn't score it but felt Curry had won by a somewhat comfortable margin in a competitive fight. Having re-watched it again recently and this time scoring it, I surprisingly had Curry taking it bya solitary point: 144-143.

Perhaps the feeling that Curry won comfortably has been seared into people's memories through the great last round Curry fought (the most dominant of the fight) to snatch it away from Starling. Or perhaps I was just giving Starling the benefit of the doubt too much in all the close rounds in the first 3rd of the fight, which gave me the close score I had. Don't know...

But in light of the score I had, I'm starting to wonder whether a later Starling may have even beat that Curry (the peak Curry). Starling did improve somewhat I felt, getting stronger as he matured.


How did other people score the Starling-Curry rematch? Was i alone in thinking just about every round was close?

[JohnThomas1]

He could not make 147 long enough to leave a mark at this weight.
I never thought high of him anyway.
They even tryed to make a match with Hagler. What a joke

Didn't leave a mark at 147? 25 straight wins against the best of his day including 2 vs Starling, 7 defenses including an overwhelming unification bout victory is a reasonable record for mine. He fell short of our expectations but to say he didn't leave a mark, well.....

[JohnThomas1]

I may be alone here, but I think the second Curry-Starling fight was close. I watched it some years ago and didn't score it but felt Curry had won by a somewhat comfortable margin in a competitive fight. Having re-watched it again recently and this time scoring it, I surprisingly had Curry taking it bya solitary point: 144-143.

Perhaps the feeling that Curry won comfortably has been seared into people's memories through the great last round Curry fought (the most dominant of the fight) to snatch it away from Starling. Or perhaps I was just giving Starling the benefit of the doubt too much in all the close rounds in the first 3rd of the fight, which gave me the close score I had. Don't know...

But in light of the score I had, I'm starting to wonder whether a later Starling may have even beat that Curry (the peak Curry). Starling did improve somewhat I felt, getting stronger as he matured.


How did other people score the Starling-Curry rematch? Was i alone in thinking just about every round was close?

I don't think Starling got any better actually.

Prominent memory tells me the mags scored it 144-142 Curry, so your scoring is excellent. Tho close they still commented he was definitely the superior man.

Starling IMO is an absolutely superb fighter. No Curry and he dominates the era.

[sweet_scientist]

I don't think Starling got any better actually.

Prominent memory tells me the mags scored it 144-142 Curry, so your scoring is excellent. Tho close they still commented he was definitely the superior man.

Starling IMO is an absolutely superb fighter. No Curry and he dominates the era.

Good to know about the scorecard :good

I'm not sure Curry would be able to overwhelm a later Starling like he did in their rematch. Maybe he would...

JT, being an 80's man, perhaps you could tell me about the first Pedro Vilella fight? Was the decision legit? Was there a reason/excuse for Starling losing?

[JohnThomas1]

Good to know about the scorecard :good

I'm not sure Curry would be able to overwhelm a later Starling like he did in their rematch. Maybe he would...

JT, being an 80's man, perhaps you could tell me about the first Pedro Vilella fight? Was the decision legit? Was there a reason/excuse for Starling losing?

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn hahaha, i will have to do a bit of scouring. I know i have it somewhere but it will be hard to find. Dod or MDWC might give the goods in the meantime, but from tomorrow on i will keep the eyes peeled.

[JohnThomas1]

I'm already thinking of it as a Chandler - Muniz thing.

[sweet_scientist]

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn hahaha, i will have to do a bit of scouring. I know i have it somewhere but it will be hard to find. Dod or MDWC might give the goods in the meantime, but from tomorrow on i will keep the eyes peeled.

:lol:

It's always great hearing accounts from codgers like MDWC and yourself :good

[Sonny Carson]

In conclusion Curry was NOT a special fighter
He had the talent to be a special fighter he just didn't reach that level.

[dalek]

i think this was the fight where brown momentarily turns southpaw and starling just gives him the look as if it to say don't try and pull that shit with me,brown quickly reverts back to orthodox(at least that was marlons version).

[sweet_scientist]

i think this was the fight where brown momentarily turns southpaw and starling just gives him the look as if it to say don't try and pull that shit with me,brown quickly reverts back to orthodox(at least that was marlons version).

:lol:

[JohnThomas1]

:lol:

It's always great hearing accounts from codgers like MDWC and yourself :good

LMAO! PRICK!

:lol:

[sweet_scientist]

I'm already thinking of it as a Chandler - Muniz thing.

It would make sense if he underestimated him.

[JohnThomas1]

It would make sense if he underestimated him.

Both did, totally uninspired performances. Vilella had to go to hospital still tho lol

[Cobra33]

Curry staggered Starling bad in the last round of there rematch.There first bout could have been a draw but in the rematch Cuirry won by 3/4 rounds.