Cotto v Clottey

[fitzgeraldz]

Clottey is a live dog and he's very underrated when people start mentioning top 10 WW ... he beat Margarito ... I don't think that Margarito will rematch this guy.

He's due for a title shot and if Cotto beats Gomez & the winner of Margarito/Cintron ... then he's going to be in line for a shot at Cotto. Top Rank will take it because Clottey is promoted by TopRank ...

I'd like to see this fight ... it'll be 10 times better than Clottey v Margarito and it will test the will of Miguel Cotto.

Even though Cotto's favored to win IMO, I actually believe that Clottey will be Cotto's stiffest test of his career. He's strong, he's fast, he takes shots well to the body, he has a great chin, and he's in amazing shape.

Clottey would be still undefeated if it weren't for 2 robberies ... he has yet to be beaten decisively.

[joito3]

Clottey is average

[pngo]

Clottey is a live dog and he's very underrated when people start mentioning top 10 WW ... he beat Margarito ... I don't think that Margarito will rematch this guy.

He's due for a title shot and if Cotto beats Gomez & the winner of Margarito/Cintron ... then he's going to be in line for a shot at Cotto. Top Rank will take it because Clottey is promoted by TopRank ...

I'd like to see this fight ... it'll be 10 times better than Clottey v Margarito and it will test the will of Miguel Cotto.

Even though Cotto's favored to win IMO, I actually believe that Clottey will be Cotto's stiffest test of his career. He's strong, he's fast, he takes shots well to the body, he has a great chin, and he's in amazing shape.

Clottey would be still undefeated if it weren't for 2 robberies ... he has yet to be beaten decisively.
Is there anyone in the welterweight that you think that will not give Cotto any trouble?

[fitzgeraldz]

All the elite at WW will give Cotto trouble ... rather they beat him or not is another story.

[FlatNose]

I saw Margarito-Clottey, and after the fourth round it was all Margarito. Hardly looked like a robbery.
It is true though that Clottey got robbed against Baldomir with a BS DQ.
Tough division that 147. Clottey is "average" only in relation to the high level of competition. But he wouldn't beat Cotto or Mosely , possibly not even Judah or Cintron. Of course that doesn't mean he shouldn't get his chance.

[Caper]

All the elite at WW will give Cotto trouble ... rather they beat him or not is another story.

I was gonna mention this......

Its no mysterey that you think anyone with a pulse has a solid chance of beating Cotto......though it will take a near godly man to even scratch PBF. :p

[Antwuan Maxx]

Clottey is a damn good fighter...for a whole 4 rounds. There isn't many welters I would favor him over, let alone Cotto.

Cruz is as limited as they come, but is durable and comes to fight. I'm willing to bet Joshua has a rougher time tonight than most are expecting.

[BigBone]

Clottey is in the same league as Quintana: a talented boxer, some beautiful skills, decent speed and power, also a close loss to Margarito with injuries... But look what Cotto did to Carlos... Cotto is a monster who gets in trouble everytime and responds with bombs giving the opponents even more trouble...

In my view there's Mayweather, a super talent and P4P champ, untouchable in WW, Cotto, who is a strong monster with an unbelievable determination to win and a stunning resume (that's why he's p4p) and there are the rest beating each other all the way. Mosley is probably the best of them and the rest is on the same level or their weaknesses/age makes them the same level fighter: Margarito, Cintron, Quintana, Williams, Judah, Collazo and of course Clottey...

WW is pretty deep however the top2 is on another level than the rest.

[Bystander]

Clottey is a damn good fighter...for a whole 4 rounds. There isn't many welters I would favor him over, let alone Cotto.

Cruz is as limited as they come, but is durable and comes to fight. I'm willing to bet Joshua has a rougher time tonight than most are expecting.

i think so too

[fitzgeraldz]

I was gonna mention this......

Its no mysterey that you think anyone with a pulse has a solid chance of beating Cotto......though it will take a near godly man to even scratch PBF. :p

No son ... I said they would give him trouble ... Cotto is an elite fighter ... with a suspect chin ... he elects to brawl rather than use his boxing skills at times ... he's not the strongest WW ... he would be the favorite but he will have a hard time because of his decision making ...

[thewoo]

Clotty did not beat margarito. He got off to an early lead but lost by a pretty wide margin.

[fitzgeraldz]

Cruz got beat by Sharmba Mitchell ... I doubt he gives Clottey any trouble. He may last the distance but I doubt if he wins ...

[Antwuan Maxx]

Clotty did not beat margarito. He got off to an early lead but lost by a pretty wide margin.

Exactly. I only had him winning the first 4 rounds. Those rounds may have been more decisive than the ones Margarito won, but Clottey just wasn't busy enough down the stretch, and was losing rounds basically on a lack of activity. There's maybe one or two rounds, you could argue for him late, but that's giving him every possible benefit of the doubt.

[fitzgeraldz]

So Clottey would get knocked out by Cotto?

[Antwuan Maxx]

Cruz got beat by Sharmba Mitchell ... I doubt he gives Clottey any trouble. He may last the distance but I doubt if he wins ...

I love that logic. Well, let's see.. Felix Flores got iced in one round by Demarcus Corley. Yet, Flores gave Clottey problems, even hurt him to the body and had him on his bicycle for a round or too, causing Joshua to get booed by the crowd.

[fitzgeraldz]

gotcha !!

[Caper]

No son ... I said they would give him trouble ... Cotto is an elite fighter ... with a suspect chin ... he elects to brawl rather than use his boxing skills at times ... he's not the strongest WW ... he would be the favorite but he will have a hard time because of his decision making ...

Son??? :huh

LMAO!!!! only on the internet could you call me that :lol:

So let me get this straight.....I've qouted you saying "Cotto is nothing special" on another thread and now your saying he's an elite fighter. Which one is it? Have you been eating glue again in school, I thought you kicked that habit.

[fitzgeraldz]

Son??? :huh

LMAO!!!! only on the internet could you call me that :lol:

So let me get this straight.....I've qouted you saying "Cotto is nothing special" on another thread and now your saying he's an elite fighter. Which one is it? Have you been eating glue again in school, I thought you kicked that habit.

Whats your deal?

I'm not trying to play internet thug ... i'm pretty sure I wouldn't be scared of you or any man that breathes or bleeds just like I do.

Yeah ... he's an elite fighter ... there's no denying that ... check my past posts. But he's nothing special ... You know you can be an elite fighter but be nothing special. Only fighter I give an edge over Cotto is PBF !!

I never said that Cotto would lose to anyone but PBF ... I picked Gomez to lose even though I have a funny feeling about an upset.

You're so tough ... you're so gutta ...

[pngo]

I think I remember that you PICKED Gomez to beat Cotto

[Antwuan Maxx]

Whats your deal?

I'm not trying to play internet thug ... i'm pretty sure I wouldn't be scared of you or any man that breathes or bleeds just like I do.

Yeah ... he's an elite fighter ... there's no denying that ... check my past posts. But he's nothing special ... You know you can be an elite fighter but be nothing special. Only fighter I give an edge over Cotto is PBF !!

I never said that Cotto would lose to anyone but PBF ... I picked Gomez to lose even though I have a funny feeling about an upset.

You're so tough ... you're so gutta ...


Fucking liar...


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I don't hate Cotto ... he's nothing special though ...

He can't beat Collazo or Clottey ... now once all this shit is done ... someone's going to have to fight those guys. They're both #1 ranked challengers and are in line for a title shot.

:deal

:rofl

[fitzgeraldz]

I think I remember that you PICKED Gomez to beat Cotto

Check my post ... I was talking shit about it ... but theres no way that on paper ... Gomez wins but I had a feeling of an upset. :good

[fitzgeraldz]

Maxx check what I wrote after that ... they would give Cotto trouble ... Cotto is going into every fight as the favorite and rather they beat him or not is another story.

[errsta]

Cotto by vintage, brutal stoppage.

[fitzgeraldz]

hmmm ... why do you think that?

because of the left hook to the body ... because of the jab ... he's not hurting anyone with the right hand.

or will it be the accumulation of punches?

[fitzgeraldz]

All the elite at WW will give Cotto trouble ... rather they beat him or not is another story.

:good

[fitzgeraldz]

No son ... I said they would give him trouble ... Cotto is an elite fighter ... with a suspect chin ... he elects to brawl rather than use his boxing skills at times ... he's not the strongest WW ... he would be the favorite but he will have a hard time because of his decision making ...

I call it how I see it ... now, is that an unfair assessment of Cotto? :huh

[Caper]

Whats your deal?

I'm not trying to play internet thug ... i'm pretty sure I wouldn't be scared of you or any man that breathes or bleeds just like I do.

Yeah ... he's an elite fighter ... there's no denying that ... check my past posts. But he's nothing special ... You know you can be an elite fighter but be nothing special. Only fighter I give an edge over Cotto is PBF !!

I never said that Cotto would lose to anyone but PBF ... I picked Gomez to lose even though I have a funny feeling about an upset.

You're so tough ... you're so gutta ...

:lol:

Why thank you!

I guess you where calling me son because I shine like one. :smoke

Scared of me???? why would you be scared of me, I'm not trying to intimidate you son. I'm just basically kicking knowlege to a young delicate mind such as yours. You extremely fickle in your opinions of other fighters but your foundation is cement like when critiquing Mr. Mayweather. You can be so transparent at times its not even funny. Come on man don't make your self look foolish..."You know you can be an elite fighter but be nothing special. Only fighter I give an edge over Cotto is PBF !!" :patsch :patsch
How is it possible to be an elite fighter and not be special.....you only pick PBF over Cotto!!!!:roll: my man I can quote you saying "That's why Im picking Gomez to pull the upset"

Stop the bullshit.

[Caper]

I think I remember that you PICKED Gomez to beat Cotto

I'm telling you Idiot Savant all the way......trust me he really believes himself. The young brother needs a role model.

[Antwuan Maxx]

Maxx check what I wrote after that ... they would give Cotto trouble ... Cotto is going into every fight as the favorite and rather they beat him or not is another story.

Well, your exact words were "He can't beat Collazo or Clottey." Anything suggesting otherwise after your original claim is a contradiction.

[errsta]

hmmm ... why do you think that?

because of the left hook to the body ... because of the jab ... he's not hurting anyone with the right hand.

or will it be the accumulation of punches?

Honestly, I just don't think Clottey can withstand Cotto's consistent pressure. I'm sure he'll be game early, but as the thudding shots accumulate, he'll bend then break. I also think you're underestimating Cotto's right hand a bit.

[fitzgeraldz]

:lol:

Why thank you!

I guess you where calling me son because I shine like one. :smoke

Scared of me???? why would you be scared of me, I'm not trying to intimidate you son. I'm just basically kicking knowlege to a young delicate mind such as yours. You extremely fickle in your opinions of other fighters but your foundation is cement like when critiquing Mr. Mayweather. You can be so transparent at times its not even funny. Come on man don't make your self look foolish..."You know you can be an elite fighter but be nothing special. Only fighter I give an edge over Cotto is PBF !!" :patsch :patsch
How is it possible to be an elite fighter and not be special.....you only pick PBF over Cotto!!!!:roll: my man I can quote you saying "That's why Im picking Gomez to pull the upset"

Stop the bullshit.

Man I'm just giving you shit ... lighten up ... You were the one who said only on the internet would you say that :huh
I don't know you and if I called you son ... I don't see a problem with it ... I can see if I called you a bitch or something ... its not that serious.

Hatton is an elite fighter, but is nothing special ... Pacquiao is an elite fighter but nothing special ... those guys are entertaining but as far as great boxers ... I just don't see that. (You get what i'm saying?)

Yeah you can find that ... I got that feeling ... i'm not going to bet on that.

Upsets happen ... Cotto has been to the well too many times ... he's going to find it dry one day.

[fitzgeraldz]

Honestly, I just don't think Clottey can withstand Cotto's consistent pressure. I'm sure he'll be game early, but as the thudding shots accumulate, he'll bend then break. I also think you're underestimating Cotto's right hand a bit.

Maybe so because he did drop Torres with it ... but he always follows through with the left hook ... his money punch and the KO punch is the left hook.

The shot he hurt Mosley with was the left hand when he switched to southpaw ...

Most of his most brutal shots came from the left hand ... rather it was a straight left from southpaw stance ... the jab ... or the left hook.

Good points though ... and I thought it might be from the accumulation of punches.

I think one day Cotto - if he gets past Gomez & Margarito/Cintron winner ... Clottey will be waiting.

He's #1 IBF and #3 by WBA

[Caper]

Man I'm just giving you shit ... lighten up ... You were the one who said only on the internet would you say that :huh
I don't know you and if I called you son ... I don't see a problem with it ... I can see if I called you a bitch or something ... its not that serious.

Hatton is an elite fighter, but is nothing special ... Pacquiao is an elite fighter but nothing special ... those guys are entertaining but as far as great boxers ... I just don't see that. (You get what i'm saying?)

Yeah you can find that ... I got that feeling ... i'm not going to bet on that.

Upsets happen ... Cotto has been to the well too many times ... he's going to find it dry one day.

You can call me son...I have no problems with that. I grew up with that slang so its fine with me. I just don't know how its interpeted in Grand Rapids....you contradicting son of bitch.;)

[fitzgeraldz]

ha ha ... I'll take that shot on the chin ... I have been a bit back and fouth flip flop'n ... but i'm really not opposed to what you've said.

now son of a bitch? ... are you calling my mother a bitch? I don't know how its interpeted in NY ... ha ha ha

[Caper]

ha ha ... I'll take that shot on the chin ... I have been a bit back and fouth flip flop'n ... but i'm really not opposed to what you've said.

now son of a bitch? ... are you calling my mother a bitch? I don't know how its interpeted in NY ... ha ha ha

It means your mother's a great cook.:good

[fitzgeraldz]

ha ha ...

[NJeffectelement]

I hope you guys realized that Clottey badly hurt his hand in the fourth round of that fight with Margarito. If he didn't hurt his hand Magarito would have been stopped.

Now I believe that this fight would be classic with the last one standing being Clottey.

[Samurai]

Cotto would systematically break Clottey down and ultimately stop him. He has shown that he can deal with speed and his own is underrated. Clottey's lack of true power will allow Cotto to close the gap where he will punish his ribs.

[huki]

This overrating is ridiculous.. it wouldn't be close at all, at any point. Cotto would destroy Clottey. The only thing Clottey has done in his career is have a close fight with Margarito. He is a product of the Margarito hype virus. It is a guarantee that Clottey would not be able to last the distance against Cotto, let alone come close to beating him. He has zero advantages over Cotto, his stamina is horrible, he's a weak puncher, and he's mentally weak. Cotto TKO7.

Quintana is not in the same league as Clottey. He's clearly a level or two above him.

[NJeffectelement]

This overrating is ridiculous.. it wouldn't be close at all, at any point. Cotto would destroy Clottey. The only thing Clottey has done in his career is have a close fight with Margarito. He is a product of the Margarito hype virus. It is a guarantee that Clottey would not be able to last the distance against Cotto, let alone come close to beating him. He has zero advantages over Cotto, his stamina is horrible, he's a weak puncher, and he's mentally weak. Cotto TKO7.

Quintana is not in the same league as Clottey. He's clearly a level or two above him.

I really don't understand where all this Clottey hate is coming from. How is it a guarantee that Clottey would be stopped? Has he been stopped before? He lost two robberies. Plus Arum is too smart to serve Cotto up like that.:blurp

[huki]

I really don't understand where all this Clottey hate is coming from. How is it a guarantee that Clottey would be stopped? Has he been stopped before? He lost two robberies. Plus Arum is too smart to serve Cotto up like that.:blurp
I don't hate Clottey, I just hate how badly 90% of fans overrate him after the Margarito fight (which was not a robbery).

How is it a guarantee? His stamina is terrible, he can't handle pressure well, his defense is leaky (and he leaves his body open a lot), he doesn't punch hard enough to get Cotto's respect, and he has a history of breaking down mentally in tough fights.

[NJeffectelement]

I don't hate Clottey, I just hate how badly 90% of fans overrate him after the Margarito fight (which was not a robbery).

How is it a guarantee? His stamina is terrible, he can't handle pressure well, his defense is leaky (and he leaves his body open a lot), he doesn't punch hard enough to get Cotto's respect, and he has a history of breaking down mentally in tough fights.

I respect your opinion, but maybe you have seen different fights from you. I have not seen any of the traits that you decribed to me is your post. He does leave the body open alittle but he make up for it with his powerful counters. What fights are you referring to? I really like Cotto, but who has he REALLY fought? I watched the Mosley fight over 15x and I cannot give Cotto that fight.

[the_what]

Clottey gets a royal beatdown. Overatted fighter on the message boards.

[Tito Time]

I saw Margarito-Clottey, and after the fourth round it was all Margarito. Hardly looked like a robbery.
It is true though that Clottey got robbed against Baldomir with a BS DQ.
Tough division that 147. Clottey is "average" only in relation to the high level of competition. But he wouldn't beat Cotto or Mosely , possibly not even Judah or Cintron. Of course that doesn't mean he shouldn't get his chance.

You where in AC? You missed the Cotto after party in the Tropicana!

[Caper]

I respect your opinion, but maybe you have seen different fights from you. I have not seen any of the traits that you decribed to me is your post. He does leave the body open alittle but he make up for it with his powerful counters. What fights are you referring to? I really like Cotto, but who has he REALLY fought? I watched the Mosley fight over 15x and I cannot give Cotto that fight.

LOLOLOL......man that's why I love this place.....I saw the fight about 15x to and I can't seem to give Mosley more than 5 rounds. Funny thing is even in the rounds I gave him half of them had him looking desperate and swolleen. How ironic.......

[huki]

I respect your opinion, but maybe you have seen different fights from you. I have not seen any of the traits that you decribed to me is your post. He does leave the body open alittle but he make up for it with his powerful counters. What fights are you referring to? I really like Cotto, but who has he REALLY fought? I watched the Mosley fight over 15x and I cannot give Cotto that fight. Then what can I tell you.. learn how to score a fight. Cotto clearly won and the Margarito-Clottey fight was not a robbery. It's interesting how you favored the boxer when scoring the Clottey fight, but not the Cotto fight.

And who has Cotto REALLY fought? :lol: Fighters that would beat Clottey's ass easily.. much better fighters than Margarito and a shot, blown up Corrales.

Clottey is a solid B level fighter, but nothing more. He presents no challenge to the elite and once his body can't handle making 147 anymore (which should be fairly soon) he will be a LMW gatekeeper at best.

[Caper]

Then what can I tell you.. learn how to score a fight. Cotto clearly won and the Margarito-Clottey fight was not a robbery. It's interesting how you favored the boxer when scoring the Clottey fight, but not the Cotto fight.

And who has Cotto REALLY fought? :lol: Fighters that would beat Clottey's ass easily.. much better fighters than Margarito and a shot, blown up Corrales.

Clottey is a solid B level fighter, but nothing more. He presents no challenge to the elite and once his body can't handle making 147 anymore (which should be fairly soon) he will be a LMW gatekeeper at best.

Not to get to much off subject but I can clearly remember a numerous amount of posters claiming Mosley will box Cotto's ear's off. After watching the fight I thought to myself "man Cotto's got some boxing skills, at times he was toying with Mosley counter punching him at will" Mosley is such class though he contiued to attack but with no real game plan.

[huki]

Not to get to much off subject but I can clearly remember a numerous amount of posters claiming Mosley will box Cotto's ear's off. After watching the fight I thought to myself "man Cotto's got some boxing skills, at times he was toying with Mosley counter punching him at will" Mosley is such class though he contiued to attack but with no real game plan. Yeah, that fight raised both fighters' stocks. Cotto showed more people that he's multidimensional and Mosley showed more people that he's still hanging on at the elite level and still has an incredible chin/heart.

[fitzgeraldz]

Clottey is a damn good fighter...for a whole 4 rounds. There isn't many welters I would favor him over, let alone Cotto.

Cruz is as limited as they come, but is durable and comes to fight. I'm willing to bet Joshua has a rougher time tonight than most are expecting.

What happened to Clottey having a tough time?

I knew that this was going to happen .... don't come at me like I don't know shit about boxing ... I know what the hell's going on!!

:good

[Antwuan Maxx]

What happened to Clottey having a tough time?

I knew that this was going to happen .... don't come at me like I don't know shit about boxing ... I know what the hell's going on!!

:good

You knew what was gonna happen...the ref give Clottey a quick trigger stoppage? :lol: Yeah, ok..fucking Nostradamus here.

[jecxbox]

CLottey is a front runner. He gets tired. Cotto is not the fighter you want to get tired with.

[Monticello]

Clottey would have a chance at winning, but I don't think he would be able to keep up with his own pace for a whole 12 rounds. He tends to get tired midway through the fight and honestly, just looks like an average fighter in the second half of the fight. Overall, he is a good fighter though who deserves to be in the top 10.

[BlueApollo]

I like Clottey, but Cotto UD's him to the tune of 116-112. The guy has one gear, and one gear only. Since Clottey is rugged and Cotto likes to bang, I can see Cotto dropping a round or two near the end of the fight, but not enough for the decision to be all that controversial.

A Clottey Margo rematch would be a great fight.

Clottey walks through Cintron ITD.

[bigeddie27]

Clottey is a live dog and he's very underrated when people start mentioning top 10 WW ... he beat Margarito ... I don't think that Margarito will rematch this guy.

He's due for a title shot and if Cotto beats Gomez & the winner of Margarito/Cintron ... then he's going to be in line for a shot at Cotto. Top Rank will take it because Clottey is promoted by TopRank ...

I'd like to see this fight ... it'll be 10 times better than Clottey v Margarito and it will test the will of Miguel Cotto.

Even though Cotto's favored to win IMO, I actually believe that Clottey will be Cotto's stiffest test of his career. He's strong, he's fast, he takes shots well to the body, he has a great chin, and he's in amazing shape.

Clottey would be still undefeated if it weren't for 2 robberies ... he has yet to be beaten decisively.

I believe Clottey would beat Cotto down. Most on esb think Clottey is a chump for some reason. The boy can box.

[Relentless]

clotteys claim to fame is losing to margo, who lost to williams, who was almost killed by cotto.

[BlueApollo]

clotteys claim to fame is losing to margo, who lost to williams, who was almost killed by cotto.

Missing one degree there. Lost to Williams, who lost to Quintana, who was almost killed by Cotto.

:good

[Relentless]

Missing one degree there. Lost to Williams, who lost to Quintana, who was almost killed by Cotto.

:good

oh yeah, thanks.

seriously though clottey doesn't stand a chance, he is overrated for giving margo a close fight, he hurts his hands in every fight and he cant break an egg.