View Full Version : If Miranda is so limited why is it that?
RafaelGonzal
04-03-2008, 08:22 PM
So many supposed better fighters are scared shitless of getting in the ring with him? no Kessler no Abraham. Why cant Miranda get a fight?
klion22
04-03-2008, 08:23 PM
His incredible one punch, KO power? I mean it only takes one split second mistake to lose to this guy.
greengloves
04-03-2008, 08:24 PM
he has been exposed many times as one dimensional and outside that of A class mws,yet even though he doesnt hold a class technique he holds a class power and many fighters are worried about this especially since his marquee value has decreased substantially due to recent defeats.
onourway
04-03-2008, 08:26 PM
Abraham already beat him.
pipe wrenched
04-03-2008, 08:26 PM
he has been exposed many times as one dimensional and outside that of A class mws,yet even though he doesnt hold a class technique he holds a class power and many fighters are worried about this especially since his marquee value has decreased substantially due to recent defeats.
I see this a lot lately. Miranda has really only lost ONE time, to the recognized MW Champion of the World. That shiz with AA was bull, so says Mikkel Kessler.
startown81
04-03-2008, 08:29 PM
I see this a lot lately. Miranda has really only lost ONE time, to the recognized MW Champion of the World. That shiz with AA was bull, so says Mikkel Kessler.
IF that AA fought Miranda anywhere else that night miranda would have came out with the win. Even a retard would know that.
pipe wrenched
04-03-2008, 08:31 PM
IF that AA fought Miranda anywhere else that night miranda would have came out with the win. Even a retard would know that.
You would think, but then again you'd be surprised. I threw in the fact that Mikkel say so too, because he's such a big hero over there.
greengloves
04-03-2008, 08:31 PM
ok yea sorry,i got sucked into ESB vocabulary that i hate!
miranda has been shown that even though he is supremely powerful himself he showed against pavlik that he can be beat by someone who can exert great pressure on him and not allow miranda to get off so many shots.he's a dangerous opponent for anyone,seems like winky (wihtout the technical genius of course).
nobody at smw will get any respect for beating him as he is unproven at the weight and also abraham beat him once,the fight won't make near as much as what a pavlik fight would so why would abraham risk that?
Bodysnatcher
04-03-2008, 08:42 PM
You would think, but then again you'd be surprised. I threw in the fact that Mikkel say so too, because he's such a big hero over there.
I'm not saying AA won, but Mikkel also said Taylor beat Pavlik the second time.
pipe wrenched
04-03-2008, 08:50 PM
I'm not saying AA won, but Mikkel also said Taylor beat Pavlik the second time.
Damn, that's right.:lol: I won't use that one anymore!!:lol:
Fat Joe
04-03-2008, 08:53 PM
Damn, that's right.:lol: I won't use that one anymore!!:lol:
I thought JT beat Pavlik. When I saw the punchstats I thought maybe I was just biased towards JT because I like his style more.
pipe wrenched
04-03-2008, 08:55 PM
I thought JT beat Pavlik. When I saw the punchstats I thought maybe I was just biased towards JT because I like his style more.
Was a good technical fight. KP by 2 rounds.:yep
jecxbox
04-03-2008, 09:47 PM
Abraham already beat him.
Abraham got a gift in the 5th round in which the fight should have been stopped.
jecxbox
04-03-2008, 09:47 PM
Punching power = fear. Thats why no one will get into the ring with him.
Hermit
04-03-2008, 09:52 PM
Abraham got a gift in the 5th round in which the fight should have been stopped.
A saw a clip where the referee clearly understood AA's jaw was broken and yet he let the fight go on. Someone told me you can see the fight doctor cheering for AA. So much for protecting a figthers health. His career could have truly ended.
Amsterdam
04-03-2008, 09:55 PM
Maybe nobody gives a shit about him. He's done nothing at 168 and is not the money draw that some people think, if he was, he wouldn't be fighting on FNF's.
Makes zero sense how people think Kessler was afraid to fight someone as limited as Miranda when he's already dominated superior fighters and is fighting a better fighter in a rematch for a title. Kessler/Mundine 2 is definitely more evident for SMW than Kessler/Miranda.
I seriously don't see why people get so hyped up on these 1 dimensional, sloppy power punchers.
Pantera2000
04-04-2008, 08:44 AM
Maybe nobody gives a shit about him. He's done nothing at 168 and is not the money draw that some people think, if he was, he wouldn't be fighting on FNF's.
Makes zero sense how people think Kessler was afraid to fight someone as limited as Miranda when he's already dominated superior fighters and is fighting a better fighter in a rematch for a title. Kessler/Mundine 2 is definitely more evident for SMW than Kessler/Miranda.
I seriously don't see why people get so hyped up on these 1 dimensional, sloppy power punchers.
Nobody gives a shit about him? Is that why Showtime and HBO for the past month have called almost every available top 10-15 SMW fighter to offer them a fight? Not one has refused due to the money.
No Amsterdam, only haters like you say stupid shit. And I would still bet my left nut that you will be tuning into his next fight, no matter who it is. :yep
Hellephant
04-04-2008, 08:53 AM
Nobody gives a shit about him? Is that why Showtime and HBO for the past month have called almost every available top 10-15 SMW fighter to offer them a fight? Not one has refused due to the money.
No Amsterdam, only haters like you say stupid shit. And I would still bet my left nut that you will be tuning into his next fight, no matter who it is. :yep Now why don't he just fight Pascal?
Then Miranda would have fought one fighter at 168......and make it at 168. Not 170+, and please make the weight this time. Remember last time, versus the little Banks. Miranda didn't make the contracted weight.
No, come on team Miranda. Shut up and fight Jean Pascal. Lets see what happens...:smoke
Bystander
04-04-2008, 09:23 AM
He cant get a fight because all of his potential opponents know that if he lands a big haymaker they are completely fucked. Breaking a mans jaw aint an easy thing to do, he has scary power
yeah, pantera has awesome ko power
klion22
04-04-2008, 09:48 AM
I really hate Miranda - he's a mouthy fucker who only backs up his boasts against C level fighters. Anything better (two b class fighters in Pavlik and Abraham) and he loses.
Kessler would probably ruin him.
And yet, he's the one who was willing to risk getting ruined while Kessler is the one who backed out. :nut
PH|LLA
04-04-2008, 10:23 AM
the truth is that fighters are not scared of Miranda.
This guy brings nothing to the table other than a big mouth. He doesn't have any belts and he doesn't have a good record.
klion22
04-04-2008, 10:29 AM
the truth is that fighters are not scared of Miranda.
This guy brings nothing to the table other than a big mouth. He doesn't have any belts and he doesn't have a good record.
He doens't have a good record?
pipe wrenched
04-04-2008, 10:55 AM
He doens't have a good record?
No doubt!! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one having to call this one out all the time. People post like Miranda has lost dozens of fights, and gets that ass kicked regularly.
Even if people give AA the win, the only time Miranda has been in bad trouble was ONE fight.
scorpy
04-04-2008, 10:56 AM
So many supposed better fighters are scared shitless of getting in the ring with him? no Kessler no Abraham. Why cant Miranda get a fight?
Boxing is a business. No one is scared of no one but everyone is trying to make the most, to find the best risk/rewards ratio. Miranda has nothing to lose, calling out guys like Kessler, Bute and Pavlik for instance. But all of them are in a situation where they can find better risk rewards ratio. Things might be more difficult for Miranda because big punchers are always perceived as bigger risk guys.
If Miranda was to lend himself a title, I can guarantee you, there would be line ups of fighters waiting to fight Miranda.
And you really should not say that Abraham is scared of facing Miranda when it is the IBF that is forcing him to fight Lorenzo. Not the other way around. And if you think that Abraham could drop the belt to face Miranda, then you're forgetting that ultimately AA is targetting a fight with Pavlik and that Pavlik stated that he wanted to unify the belts, not fight Abraham. So if Abraham wants to lend that fight, he needs to keep his belt.
Cobbler
04-04-2008, 11:00 AM
No doubt!! I'm glad to see I'm not the only one having to call this one out all the time. People post like Miranda has lost dozens of fights, and gets that ass kicked regularly.
Even if people give AA the win, the only time Miranda has been in bad trouble was ONE fight.
Right, so who has he beaten? You get a good record by beating people who are good. I don't care if he hasn't lost, hasn't been in trouble, who has he beaten?
startown81
04-04-2008, 11:02 AM
I really hate Miranda - he's a mouthy fucker who only backs up his boasts against C level fighters. Anything better (two b class fighters in Pavlik and Abraham) and he loses.
Kessler would probably ruin him.
Why does Miranda get some much shit for fighting c level fighters? He wants the A level fighters but they wont fight him and its not because of the money. Plus Banks beat Ayala twice and no one gives Abraham shit for fighting bums. AA's best win was Miranda and i dont even consider that a legit win.
bigeddie27
04-04-2008, 11:03 AM
Abraham already beat him.
I hate you abraham nuthuggers or edison haters who bring this shit up. Go watch the fight, go watch the controversy, go watch edison beating abraham down, go watch edison breaking his jaw, go watch abraham running for his life, go watch the referee giving abraham break after break, and then come back and retype that shit post of yours. Just cause he won on paper, doesnt mean he won the fight. And just to drive my point all the way home, look how abraham's career turned out after fighting miranda - the fucking guy knows hell lose against stiff opposition so he sticks with fighting bums in his hometown.
startown81
04-04-2008, 11:04 AM
Now why don't he just fight Pascal?
Then Miranda would have fought one fighter at 168......and make it at 168. Not 170+, and please make the weight this time. Remember last time, versus the little Banks. Miranda didn't make the contracted weight.
No, come on team Miranda. Shut up and fight Jean Pascal. Lets see what happens...:smoke
Yea what happened to the pascal fight? They were talking about that for a while then it just died out.
bigeddie27
04-04-2008, 11:04 AM
A saw a clip where the referee clearly understood AA's jaw was broken and yet he let the fight go on. Someone told me you can see the fight doctor cheering for AA. So much for protecting a figthers health. His career could have truly ended.
well considering who abraham has fought as of late - you would think his career has truly ended.
pipe wrenched
04-04-2008, 11:10 AM
Yea what happened to the pascal fight? They were talking about that for a while then it just died out.
Maxime, Decebal, or Quebec Warrior would probably give the best answer, but from what I understood, after Pascal went tooth and nail with Omar Pittman and Miranda had Banks dangling thru the ropes lookin dead, Pascal's "People" decided he needed more time to work things out.
startown81
04-04-2008, 11:24 AM
Right, so who has he beaten? You get a good record by beating people who are good. I don't care if he hasn't lost, hasn't been in trouble, who has he beaten?
Who has AA beaten? His best win is Miranda which was bullshit. Miranda has fought the better opposition. He beat Alan Green, He ko's eastman. and Banks beat Ayala twice. Ayala almost went the distance with AA. Wake up already!
Hermit
04-04-2008, 11:44 AM
well considering who abraham has fought as of late - you would think his career has truly ended.
I was nothing short of STUNNED when there was talk of AA going back in the ring against Miranda! Gained back a little respect for that. But, another case of the alphabets, which are supposed to be promoting boxing?, got in the way again.
henrik
04-04-2008, 11:57 AM
i dont like miranda.he´s an unfair fighter using every single dirty trick to win a fight.but i guess its because his limited and really have no skills,witch also shows when he´s fighting worldclass oponent.
he has no footwork,no defense,no quick combo´s.....he can hit hard as hell,that all IMO.
Hermit
04-04-2008, 12:02 PM
.....he can hit hard as hell,that all IMO.
Well, most fighters 'adjust' as needed and "hit hard" has carried him this far. Lots of TALK about his 'limited' abilities but you don't see many willing to get in and prove this. "hit hard" is one of those mitigating circumstances in boxing. :yep
pipe wrenched
04-04-2008, 12:31 PM
Pascal sucked at his last 2 fight, because of an injury at the right shoulder(an injury in his fight against Camou), he won these two fight but wasnt spectacular as much as he say he would be.. Now Pascal is at 100 percent and is working hard to be back in the mix
Thanks for clearing that up buddy! Does this mean he may still fight Miranda??:good
PH|LLA
04-04-2008, 01:43 PM
Thanks for clearing that up buddy! Does this mean he may still fight Miranda??:good
PAscal would have fought Miranda anyways but its the TV networks who are no longer interested in the fight, not Pascal's promoters.
Because despite his limitations, he's always a threat to KTFO hypejobs like Abraham and Kessler, thus the risk/reward ratio makes him a highly ducked fighter.
Bah! Miranda,that incredibly dangerous threat wasnt able to finish an severly injured opponent who had broken his jaw twice and who was losing tons of blood in every round turning the ring into a slaughterhouse.No,he couldnt.Quite the opposite that severely injured fighter almost took Miranda out in round 9 of their encounter.
A highly ducked figher,eh?
According to Abraham#s promoter Miranda was offered a rematch with Abraham but the serious threat turned that offer down citing weight problems.
Hermit
04-04-2008, 03:21 PM
According to Abraham#s promoter Miranda was offered a rematch with Abraham but the serious threat turned that offer down citing weight problems.
Which is one reason the proposed rematch was not at 160.
pasky2000
04-04-2008, 05:17 PM
Miranda needs to keep fighting more often even if he's not getting the kind of opposition and payday a guy like Kessler would give him ! If he stays active, he'll move up quickly in the rankings and the big boys won'T be able to avoid him !!
His promoters should let him knock out a few other guys...which would make HBO or Showtime force the best 168 lbs fighters to face him if they want a fight on their network !!!
pipe wrenched
04-04-2008, 05:21 PM
Miranda needs to keep fighting more often even if he's not getting the kind of opposition and payday a guy like Kessler would give him ! If he stays active, he'll move up quickly in the rankings and the big boys won'T be able to avoid him !!
His promoters should let him knock out a few other guys...which would make HBO or Showtime force the best 168 lbs fighters to face him if they want a fight on their network !!!
But who in the hell is gonna fight Miranda, if they're not forced to?? Esp. after the last volunteer, Banks, got left looking half dead hanging thru the ropes?
pasky2000
04-04-2008, 05:23 PM
But who in the hell is gonna fight Miranda, if they're not forced to?? Esp. after the last volunteer, Banks, got left looking half dead hanging thru the ropes?
There always will be guys willing to fight if the pay is half decent !
We're only talking like $50 000....Some guys are just hoping to get that kind of money even if it's pocket change for some.....we won't mention !
pipe wrenched
04-04-2008, 05:34 PM
There always will be guys willing to fight if the pay is half decent !
We're only talking like $50 000....Some guys are just hoping to get that kind of money even if it's pocket change for some.....we won't mention !
good points friend, but will any of those type/calibre fighters do anything for Miranda's standings in his new division or towards getting him closer to a bigger named star in your opinion? It seems beating Porras and Banks did him no favors.
Hermit
04-04-2008, 05:38 PM
good points friend, but will any of those type/calibre fighters do anything for Miranda's standings in his new division or towards getting him closer to a bigger named star in your opinion? It seems beating Porras and Banks did him no favors.
I think Miranda is number 5 or 6 in the WBA. You know, the strap Kessler wants but thinks Miranda is not good enough to fight?
pasky2000
04-04-2008, 05:42 PM
good points friend, but will any of those type/calibre fighters do anything for Miranda's standings in his new division or towards getting him closer to a bigger named star in your opinion? It seems beating Porras and Banks did him no favors.
If he only fights guys like Porras and Banks once every 4-5 months...no it won't help him but if he stays active every 2-3 months max then yes it will !! He's the kind of fighter that could actually benefit from fighting often and knocking out guys every 2 months !! Imagine how people would get excited even more ?
That's what FORCE big fights to happen !
he has been exposed many times as one dimensional and outside that of A class mws,yet even though he doesnt hold a class technique he holds a class power and many fighters are worried about this especially since his marquee value has decreased substantially due to recent defeats.What defeats are those?
I mean the only defeats he has on his record is two... Also the only reason he loss to Pavlik was because he was drained making the weight for that fight 160. Now at 168 there is no way in hell will Pavlik beat him now. In fact at 168 I dont think nobody can FuCk with him... :bbb
:rasta N.Y.C. :rasta M.R. Peace-Out :hi:
Maybe nobody gives a shit about him. He's done nothing at 168 and is not the money draw that some people think, if he was, he wouldn't be fighting on FNF's.
Makes zero sense how people think Kessler was afraid to fight someone as limited as Miranda when he's already dominated superior fighters and is fighting a better fighter in a rematch for a title. Kessler/Mundine 2 is definitely more evident for SMW than Kessler/Miranda.
I seriously don't see why people get so hyped up on these 1 dimensional, sloppy power punchers. Every body and their grandmother knows that when a boxer gets an L its a step down look at Judah he went back to FNF's after his loss with Cotto... So that FNF
dont mean Jack-Shit Homey....... :good N.Y.C. M.R. :rasta
Nobody gives a shit about him? Is that why Showtime and HBO for the past month have called almost every available top 10-15 SMW fighter to offer them a fight? Not one has refused due to the money.
No Amsterdam, only haters like you say stupid shit. And I would still bet my left nut that you will be tuning into his next fight, no matter who it is. :yep Dont say nothing its obvious he is a Pantera Hatter...
give him his due he is KMFO Nuff-Said... PANTERA-CoTTo #1 :bbb
N.Y.C. MR
carras
04-05-2008, 03:35 AM
no one wants to get near him because he hit like a freaking mule.
the truth is that fighters are not scared of Miranda.
This guy brings nothing to the table other than a big mouth. He doesn't have any belts and he doesn't have a good record. You STUPID
doesn't have a good record? your talking CA-CA.. :hey N.Y.C. :good MR
i dont like miranda.he´s an unfair fighter using every single dirty trick to win a fight.but i guess its because his limited and really have no skills,witch also shows when he´s fighting worldclass oponent.
he has no footwork,no defense,no quick combo´s.....he can hit hard as hell,that all IMO. Go to sleep Duke you dont know what you talking about. Another one talking CA-CA....... :hey N.Y.C. :rasta
Pascal sucked at his last 2 fight, because of an injury at the right shoulder(an injury in his fight against Camou), he won these two fight but wasnt spectacular as much as he say he would be.. Now Pascal is at 100 percent and is working hard to be back in the mix Pascal is a bird PANTERA will wax that ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bbb NYC
Here we go again, with the miranda nuthugging! I love reading some of your bull shit posts. BROKEN RECORD! Abraham won and you douchebags still cry and bitch about that one fight! LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, "IF HE WAS SO THOUGH AND BADASS, HOW COME HE COULD NOT GET ABRAHAM OUT"? ANSWERE ME THAT? DON'T START WITH THE BULLLSHIT FIGHT SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED, IT WAS NOT AND ABRAHAM WAS THE ONE WITH THE BROKEN JAW AND EVERTHING AGAINST HIM!
WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO IF THE REFERRE GAVE HIM A 5 or 10 MINUTE BREAK? DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY REPAIR HIS JAW? THE REST TIME ABSOLUTELY DID NOTHING TO HIS SITUATION!
FUCK ALL YOU ABRAHAM HATERS AND FUCK THE CAT EATING OR DOG EATING MIRANDA! Get off Abrahan NUTs... And stop talking CA-CA :hey NYC
kungfu
04-05-2008, 05:02 AM
Who has AA beaten? His best win is Miranda which was bullshit. Miranda has fought the better opposition. He beat Alan Green, He ko's eastman. and Banks beat Ayala twice. Ayala almost went the distance with AA. Wake up already!
:patsch eastman wasnt even hurt, premature stoppage
If he had a belt trust me there would be a hoard waiting to expose the 1d fool. He doesnt bring nowt to the table currently. end of.
Oh and agree with landshark, why couldnt he dispose of AA who was fucked from a broken jaw, not only that but he also got SERIOUSLY buzzed a few times in the process!!!
this bloke
04-05-2008, 06:16 AM
miranda cant get a fight because his aiming to high, he has to earn a shot at the elite in the super middleweight division. not just get a fight with them cos hes got decent power and a big mouth
Miranda has to earn his shot period. what has he done to get a shot?
Korn_06
04-05-2008, 10:35 AM
Miranda has to earn his shot period. what has he done to get a shot?
Totally agree!! Why not take on Jeff Lacy? It seems he is open for May 31st.
to answer your q. politics my dear boy.
Hermit
04-05-2008, 11:13 AM
Totally agree!! Why not take on Jeff Lacy? It seems he is open for May 31st.
Not sure the promoters were putting up money for that one. That is lost in this equation. Finding people to put up the purse is an issue. Showtime was willing to put up for Miranda to fight Kessler.
Fuck you jerk off. I am just saying facts dickhead. Tell me ONE thing in my post that is not true or you disagree with ONE thing! Fuck out of here!:hat YO dog i'm just bustin your balls word. We are all men just having fun bulling sh#$%ing... About man stuff... Ya Dig??????? I love Boxing the sport but I really dont give a
fuck about none of those dudes .... fuck em" none of them is putting
CHEDDA $$$$$$ in my pocket...... STAY-UP I'M OUT BRONX NYC
MR :rasta
wayne3280
04-05-2008, 01:13 PM
I really hate Miranda - he's a mouthy fucker who only backs up his boasts against C level fighters. Anything better (two b class fighters in Pavlik and Abraham) and he loses.
Kessler would probably ruin him.
:thumbsup
Here we go again, with the miranda nuthugging! I love reading some of your bull shit posts. BROKEN RECORD! Abraham won and you douchebags still cry and bitch about that one fight! LIKE I ALWAYS SAY, "IF HE WAS SO THOUGH AND BADASS, HOW COME HE COULD NOT GET ABRAHAM OUT"? ANSWERE ME THAT? DON'T START WITH THE BULLLSHIT FIGHT SHOULD HAVE BEEN STOPPED, IT WAS NOT AND ABRAHAM WAS THE ONE WITH THE BROKEN JAW AND EVERTHING AGAINST HIM!
WHAT GOOD DOES IT DO IF THE REFERRE GAVE HIM A 5 or 10 MINUTE BREAK? DOES THAT AUTOMATICALLY REPAIR HIS JAW? THE REST TIME ABSOLUTELY DID NOTHING TO HIS SITUATION!
FUCK ALL YOU ABRAHAM HATERS AND FUCK THE CAT EATING OR DOG EATING MIRANDA!
You are right! It didnt really matter whether Abraham had a short break in round 5 of his encounter with Miranda or not. Abraham's jaw was shattered,and he was severely injured.Yes,the ref should have stopped the fight then.Miranda could have put Abraham out of action for good ending his pro carreer or killing him inside the ring.However,he didnt.He just wasnt able to finish an severely injured fighter out.Quite the opposite!
Abraham seemed to be the one who was more likely to stop his Columbian foe than the other way round.
Props to Abraham for beating an opponent with a shattered jaw bleeding like a shot pig !
blood_lust
04-06-2008, 01:11 PM
So many supposed better fighters are scared shitless of getting in the ring with him? no Kessler no Abraham. Why cant Miranda get a fight?
Abraham was going to fight him, but Lorenzo got in the way. Kessler looked to fight for a title against a BETTER opponent. Who else is scared of him. Lacy would fight him, I'm sure Green would have a rematch with him.
His power is overrated. He landed flush on Pavlik and couldn't drop him, yet Zuniga did, as did McKart and Taylor. Hell, McCrary had Green way more hurt than Miranda ever did. Even Banks was getting up, but his legs were pretty much gone.
Abraham hits harder as people stay down like Ghevor and Ayala as examples, that was true one-punch KO power.
Miranda should fight a guy like Zuniga, Brahmer, Andrade, etc.....
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