Poll: Who should Kessler fight next?

[Hermit]

OK, not what you thought, is it. ;)

Strange. Thread previewed before the poll went up.

[startown81]

miranda

[angles]

mirandabute

[ocelot]

Miranda
Taylor
Bute
Pavlik
in that order.

[BigReg]

tba

[Punisher33]

Miranda, him backing out of the fight against him, makes me want to see it more in the future.

[joeboxer]

Kessler just lost his title to Calzaghe the best in the division. Why is everyone giving him so much crap? are they really fooled by the propaganda from Miranda? who talked a lot before getting annialed by Pavlik. Kessler should take a mid level opponnent then go for another title shot. Miranda should beat someone decent at SMW before calling people out like the punk he is.

[Hermit]

Wow. Looks like I was wrong when I said Team Miranda had legal recourse but it probably wan't worth persuing! Check out the front page!

[RUSKULL]

:good

The Danes and Calzaghe fans keep excusing this dicktuck by saying he'll outclass Miranda easily, well I say prove it the the fucking ring!

He has an opportunity to fight for a belt vs. Mundine, that's worth more than a fight vs. Miranda isn't it?

[BigReg]

He has an opportunity to fight for a belt vs. Mundine, that's worth more than a fight vs. Miranda isn't it?

The only problem is, nobody told Mundine about this. Apparantly, they're going ahead with the Soliman fight as planned. Furthermore, they aren't interested in fighting Kessler at this time.

[dfxt]

Miranda, Kessler, Taylor in a triple threat match.

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The only problem is, nobody told Mundine about this. Apparantly, they're going ahead with the Soliman fight as planned. Furthermore, they aren't interested in fighting Kessler at this time.

:lol: :lol: :rofl :rofl :deal

[startown81]

:good

The Danes and Calzaghe fans keep excusing this dicktuck by saying he'll outclass Miranda easily, well I say prove it the the fucking ring!
Yes! thank you for making sense! Kessler knows dam well Miranda is not going to be easy.

[Punisher33]

:good

The Danes and Calzaghe fans keep excusing this dicktuck by saying he'll outclass Miranda easily, well I say prove it the the fucking ring! To be honest with you Tyson86, I would have no problem with Kessler saying "Listen Edison, your great fighter, but at this time I'm looking for a title shot and aint up for negotiations at this time, after I beat Mundine then will talk", I would of respected him more for that, instead he made a verbally agreement, and backed out come signing time, even after he got all his contractural wishes. I dont know, it just makes him look weak and scared IMO.

[Punisher33]

Agreed, but what'll the excuse be now that Mundine told him to fuck off? Just because the WBA made Kessler his mandatory, doesn't mean the Soliman fight is scrapped...so in the meantime, does Kessler man up against Miranda, fight some tomato can, or twiddle his thumbs and take a few more months off? If I was in Kessler's position, I would take the fight with Miranda if I verbally agreed to it, but if my confidence is low and I'm unsure of myself, I would take on a half a somebody with a glass chin, just to get my confidence back, at least thats what his management team should be looking for right now IMO.

[1lehudson]

Miranda
Taylor
Bute
Pavlik
in that order.I think that this is the biggest problem with guys o this site. You cant honestly expect a fighter...ANY fighter to fight big fight after big fight like that. No one does. For what ever reason alot of guy expect just that. I would be happy with Kessler if he fought two of those guys in his next 6 fights.

[Hermit]

I think that this is the biggest problem with guys o this site. You cant honestly expect a fighter...ANY fighter to fight big fight after big fight like that. No one does. For what ever reason alot of guy expect just that. I would be happy with Kessler if he fought two of those guys in his next 6 fights.

Nothing wrong with fighting less often but fighting better opponents. Twice a year against top notch guys would be great.

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If I was in Kessler's position, I would take the fight with Miranda if I verbally agreed to it, but if my confidence is low and I'm unsure of myself, I would take on a half a somebody with a glass chin, just to get my confidence back, at least thats what his management team should be looking for right now IMO.

I see your point, but what I highlighted is exactly 2/3 of the boards opinion of Miranda. I mean he did get KO'd by the sloppy, over rated, slow, and predictable Pavlik, so even calling him half a somebody would be an upgrade by the standards of the board.:deal

[pasky2000]

Edison Miranda !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Edison Miranda !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Indeed.:good :hey

[Hermit]

Edison Miranda !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah. He's done everything he can to step up.

[Punisher33]

I see your point, but what I highlighted is exactly 2/3 of the boards opinion of Miranda. I mean he did get KO'd by the sloppy, over rated, slow, and predictable Pavlik, so even calling him half a somebody would be an upgrade by the standards of the board.:deal True, but it does seem like more people are coming around, especially after Kessler punked out of a tough fight against Miranda. I like Pavlik, he's tough, got a ton of heart, enertaining, very powerful, and a great workrate for his typre of fighting style, what's not to like? He even has respectful personality, that seems to still live a very modest life, even though he's a millionare now. Pavlik aint the most skilled fighter out there, but he always does come to fight, and 9 times out of 10 provides us all with a big knockout, he's certainly a rare find, as far as a fighter goes.

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True, but it does seem like more people are coming around, especially after Kessler punked out of a tough fight against Miranda. I like Pavlik, he's tough, got a ton of heart, enertaining, very powerful, and a great workrate for his typre of fighting style, what's not to like? He even has respectful personality, that seems to still live a very modest life, even though he's a millionare now. Pavlik aint the most skilled fighter out there, but he always does come to fight, and 9 times out of 10 provides us all with a big knockout, he's certainly a rare find, as far as a fighter goes.

:good You just jumped a mile up my favorite posters list. (not that you cared:lol: ) Just saying great post friend.

[Punisher33]

:good You just jumped a mile up my favorite posters list. (not that you cared:lol: ) Just saying great post friend.:good Same here, I'm not as big of fan of Pavlik as you are probably, but he is one of my favorite fighters, I always seem to be big fans of guys with big hearts, heavy punches, and a tough all around fighters, Pavlik definitely fits that bill. I just wonder who he plans on fighting next? I guess Winky, though I would rather see him in the ring with Calzaghe or even Dawson, wins over these guys would convince alot of people of how good we already know he is.

[pipe wrenched]

:good Same here, I'm not as big of fan of Pavlik as you are probably, but he is one of my favorite fighters, I always seem to be big fans of guys with big hearts, heavy punches, and a tough all around fighters, Pavlik definitely fits that bill. I just wonder who he plans on fighting next? I guess Winky, though I would rather see him in the ring with Calzaghe or even Dawson, wins over these guys would convince alot of people of how good we already know he is.

Yup. Pavlik pulled me back in, I had wondered off into casual fan land after Lennox retired. But I caught Pavlik, and he's only about 1 1/2 hour drive to Youngstown, been there and all that, and I was hooked again. Found ESB trying to find out more about him on the internet, and now I'm back to hardcore and posting my ass off on ESB! Thanks to Pavlik!:good

[Punisher33]

Yup. Pavlik pulled me back in, I had wondered off into casual fan land after Lennox retired. But I caught Pavlik, and he's only about 1 1/2 hour drive to Youngstown, been there and all that, and I was hooked again. Found ESB trying to find out more about him on the internet, and now I'm back to hardcore and posting my ass off on ESB! Thanks to Pavlik!:good Yeah, the thing about the guy that makes him so popular, he seems so down to earth, a guy you can drink a couple with at the bar, unlike someone like Mayweather who probably wants nothing to do with his fans, and stays up in the VIP area. I live in Pittsburgh Pa, Youngstown is not too far away, maybe 2 hours, and people there are alot similar to where I live. I hope Pavlik continues kicking ass, we need more fighters like him in Boxing.:good

[kel]

Fight Miranda in May. Mundine also fights soliman in May.

Both meet for Mundine - Kessler 2 in Mid-September.(for the WBA belt)

Then fight Pavlik in late December

[THN]

I just wish he would fight soon

[dan-b]

I think he should stop fucking other people around. He's already let down Miranda now he's trying to scupper Mundine's fight.

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I think he should stop fucking other people around. He's already let down Miranda now he's trying to scupper Mundine's fight.

I know he gets no love around here, but could imagine being in Solimon's shoes at this point. Done his time on the Contender and what not, in line for a nice fight and some $$. I'm sure just like any other human being he has bills to pay and a family to provide for, and now they're trying to screw him out of a fight I'd bet he's already in training for.

[dan-b]

I know he gets no love around here, but could imagine being in Solimon's shoes at this point. Done his time on the Contender and what not, in line for a nice fight and some $$. I'm sure just like any other human being he has bills to pay and a family to provide for, and now they're trying to screw him out of a fight I'd bet he's already in training for.

Yup very selfish behaviour. A bit like Vitali Klischko. Lets hope it comes back to bite him on the ass.

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Yup very selfish behaviour. A bit like Vitali Klischko. Lets hope it comes back to bite him on the ass.

I'm with you 100%, and will be hoping with all my soul that it indeed bites him in the ass.:yep

[Hermit]

I'm with you 100%, and will be hoping with all my soul that it indeed bites him in the ass.:yep

What happens if Mundine is allowed to go ahead with his fight and loses? Could Kessler have to wait a year for his next fight as mandatory? Some talk of the WBA not sanctioning this fight though.

[RafaelGonzal]

Im glad Mundine is pulling a bitch move to keep his meaningless paper title
this is something Kessler can relate to. I dont care and I hope Mundine tells him to fuck off and fights a parade of others.

[Decebal]

So...what is going on with Kessler? Is Soliman III still on the cards or is Mundine fighting Kessler next?:huh

[Hermit]

So...what is going on with Kessler? Is Soliman III still on the cards or is Mundine fighting Kessler next?:huh

Mundine should go into 'indefinite' negotiations with him, demand the world for a shot at his title and then say, "Never mind". ;):good

[Gneus7]

Bute definately

[Decebal]

Mundine should go into 'indefinite' negotiations with him, demand the world for a shot at his title and then say, "Never mind". ;):good

As long as he would get a shot at Calzaghe instead, I'd be all for it!;) :good

[pipe wrenched]

Mundine should go into 'indefinite' negotiations with him, demand the world for a shot at his title and then say, "Never mind". ;):good

That does seem to fit into what they consider "fair play".:hey

[Hermit]

The poll - good fun actually - but also kind of sad.

Maybe Kessler fighting them all - all ready. Kessler demand to fight Miranda - simply a good fight and a great comeback fight. Specially in the US.

Decebel kind of set the tone with his 'dream' post. So, turned into, 'one of those days'. In truth, I think this is less about Kessler than his handlers, but he is the guy 'out front' so to speak.

[VIP]

Im glad Mundine is pulling a bitch move to keep his meaningless paper title
this is something Kessler can relate to. I dont care and I hope Mundine tells him to fuck off and fights a parade of others.

What bitch move? Mundine-Soliman was already scheduled, not the best fight out there for him but he is honouring a rematch clause. Kessler and his team bitched out of the scheduled Miranda fight and are trying to force Mundine to cancel his scheduled fight to cater for them.

It should have been simpler. Mundine-Soliman, and Kessler-Miranda. Then the winners face off, likely Mundine-Kessler in September or so. Kessler and his team have done themselves no favours in recent times.

[Bystander]

jermain taylor then kelly pavlik

[Hermit]

jermain taylor then kelly pavlik
Taylor would be interesting. Pavlik, not going to 168 for Kessler. No time soon anyhow. Calzaghe is a possibility.

[Vantage_West]

Drop Palle

[AmericanSugar]

JT should happen. so he can get his ass whooped. JT is too good for him.

[Vantage_West]

Drop Palle

main main main move.
palle are doing nothing for him. they have a gold mine but dont want to waste him nor do they have the contacts with any other promotor organisation. they are resting on his shoulders for people to contact him andf have no managing skills. and have little knowledge about boxing politics.

:patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch

[Djarnis]

Drop Palle

main main main move.
palle are doing nothing for him. they have a gold mine but dont want to waste him nor do they have the contacts with any other promotor organisation. they are resting on his shoulders for people to contact him andf have no managing skills. and have little knowledge about boxing politics.

:patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch
how how how how. As far as i know he is tied up in contracts. Someone would have to buy him free of the contract.

[Maden]

Drop Palle

main main main move.
palle are doing nothing for him. they have a gold mine but dont want to waste him nor do they have the contacts with any other promotor organisation. they are resting on his shoulders for people to contact him andf have no managing skills. and have little knowledge about boxing politics.

:patsch :patsch :patsch :patsch

Your knowlegde of Mogens Palle must be highly limited! No managing skills??? The man has been in the buissness longer than anyone! He have brought Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson to denmark! Made Kessler a multi-millonaire and giving him the titleshots to prove his name!
I think he knows boxing politics better than most people!

[Astola]

Your knowlegde of Mogens Palle must be highly limited! No managing skills??? The man has been in the buissness longer than anyone! He have brought Larry Holmes and Mike Tyson to denmark! Made Kessler a multi-millonaire and giving him the titleshots to prove his name!
I think he knows boxing politics better than most people!


The why is he doing what he's doing right now? This is getting pathetic - Kessler hasnt fought since November and there are no clear communicated strategy or anything. :huh

[THN]

Fuck Palle he is no good for Kessler

[Maden]

The why is he doing what he's doing right now? This is getting pathetic - Kessler hasnt fought since November and there are no clear communicated strategy or anything. :huh

What is he exactly doing right now?
Let us be objective for a moment: Kessler has undergone hand-surgery after the Calzaghe fight, so a fight in June has been the time-plan all along. Kessler is a 2 fight a year fighter, his body can not handle the pressure of serious fight training over longer periods of time.

Team Palle has sought out Lacy, Taylor, Bute, Mundine, Winky and RJJ, none of them eager to fight Kessler. He is the risk and reward nightmare at SMW.

Miranda was the last option, when the others turned Kessler down one by one. So negotiations began and was almost a done deal, when WBA replies to Team Palles request about making Kessler the mandatory challenger! This suddenly changes things, as Mundine and his title has a higher priority for Team Palle/Kessler. Miranda gets ditched!

To bad for Miranda, but it all comes down to business.

[Maden]

Now he in Kessler has a fighter who is willing/cable of to go further. Problem - how do you control the money involved??

We haven´t seen anything from Palle that suggest he wants to "milk his cashcow" in Kessler! He has fought the best available competition in the last 3 years! And I don´t see that change in the future! There has been no talk or rumors about taking on a lesser opponent as a tune up fight!

[Hermit]

To bad for Miranda, but it all comes down to business.

Still a public relations nightmare, at least outside of Denmark. Backs out of a verbally done deal and then asks Mundine to back out of a signed deal. He should have just fought Miranda for the bucks if he is so sure he is that much better and then forced Mundine's hand. If he is such physically damaged goods then who wants him as champ fighting AT MOST twice a year according to you.

[Maden]

Still a public relations nightmare, at least outside of Denmark. Backs out of a verbally done deal and then asks Mundine to back out of a signed deal. He should have just fought Miranda for the bucks if he is so sure he is that much better and then forced Mundine's hand. If he is such physically damaged goods then who wants him as champ fighting AT MOST twice a year according to you.

Well i guess everybody wants the best as champions! His body can´t handle the strain of fighting on a more regular basis! So i rather see him as champion fighting two fights a year for three years, than a champion that retires prematurely because of injuries!

I for one think that HBO and Showtime will be there without hesitation to air the event the minute Kessler sign a deal with an american profiled fighter!

[Astola]

What is he exactly doing right now?
Let us be objective for a moment: Kessler has undergone hand-surgery after the Calzaghe fight, so a fight in June has been the time-plan all along. Kessler is a 2 fight a year fighter, his body can not handle the pressure of serious fight training over longer periods of time.

Team Palle has sought out Lacy, Taylor, Bute, Mundine, Winky and RJJ, none of them eager to fight Kessler. He is the risk and reward nightmare at SMW.

Miranda was the last option, when the others turned Kessler down one by one. So negotiations began and was almost a done deal, when WBA replies to Team Palles request about making Kessler the mandatory challenger! This suddenly changes things, as Mundine and his title has a higher priority for Team Palle/Kessler. Miranda gets ditched!

To bad for Miranda, but it all comes down to business.


Why couldnt they harvest the interest from Showtime - fight Miranda and then make the fight with Mundine?

Thats all im asking.

Now theyve pissed of Showtime, Dibella and alot of fans.

How genious is that?

[pecks]

What is he exactly doing right now?
Let us be objective for a moment: Kessler has undergone hand-surgery after the Calzaghe fight, so a fight in June has been the time-plan all along. Kessler is a 2 fight a year fighter, his body can not handle the pressure of serious fight training over longer periods of time.

Team Palle has sought out Lacy, Taylor, Bute, Mundine, Winky and RJJ, none of them eager to fight Kessler. He is the risk and reward nightmare at SMW.

Miranda was the last option, when the others turned Kessler down one by one. So negotiations began and was almost a done deal, when WBA replies to Team Palles request about making Kessler the mandatory challenger! This suddenly changes things, as Mundine and his title has a higher priority for Team Palle/Kessler. Miranda gets ditched!

To bad for Miranda, but it all comes down to business.If Kessler is to rematch Mundine, it probably wont be till late this year, October at least. having the Miranda fight as what was planned would have fitted in perfectly, and even turned out to be more beneficial for Kessler as I doubt he'd want to fight Mundine after being out of the ring for a year.

Not a smart move by the Kessler crew no doubt.

[Maden]

Why couldnt they harvest the interest from Showtime - fight Miranda and then make the fight with Mundine?

Thats all im asking.

Now theyve pissed of Showtime, Dibella and alot of fans.

How genious is that?

My guess is that they wish to get the WBA belt, and then fight Taylor, Winky or RJJ. That would indeed be genious!

[KO Boxing]

My guess is that they wish to get the WBA belt, and then fight Taylor, Winky or RJJ. That would indeed be genious!
So Kessler's gonna stay out of the ring until September?

[Maden]

If Kessler is to rematch Mundine, it probably wont be till late this year, October at least. having the Miranda fight as what was planned would have fitted in perfectly, and even turned out to be more beneficial for Kessler as I doubt he'd want to fight Mundine after being out of the ring for a year.

Not a smart move by the Kessler crew no doubt.

They are trying to force Mundine to face Kessler in the summer! If WBA plays along Mundine must fight Kessler or give up his title.

[KO Boxing]

They are trying to force Mundine to face Kessler in the summer! If WBA plays along Mundine must fight Kessler or give up his title.
And what if the WBA doesn't play along, which seemingly is the case?

[Maden]

So Kessler's gonna stay out of the ring until September?

No Kessler is going to fight in June!

[Maden]

And what if the WBA doesn't play along, which seemingly is the case?

As far as I know, the WBA has not decided anything yet, a statement is expected later in the comming weeks!

[pecks]

They are trying to force Mundine to face Kessler in the summer! If WBA plays along Mundine must fight Kessler or give up his title.Wishful thinking to say the least. I
d be very surprised if the WBA not only force Mundine to fight Kessler instead of Soliman, but force him to do it in May. They'll give him at least 6 months notice.

Palle has basically jeopardized Kessler's chances with the US tv company
s that were interested for a very small chance that they'd be fighting Mundine around the time he was supposed to be fighting Miranda.

Dumb management, and Palle deserves to have his credentials come under question.

[Maden]

As long as Kessler fights in EU/AUS Teampalle will profit the most. Don't hope this will influence on Kessler chance for a big US exposure?

The problem with the big US exposure, is that the SMW division is dominated by people from outside of America! If Kessler want to fight the best competition the US is not the way to go! Money and titles are to be gained elsewhere!

But i have no doubt that Kessler will be fighting in the US. within a year and a half!

[Astola]

They are trying to force Mundine to face Kessler in the summer! If WBA plays along Mundine must fight Kessler or give up his title.


Ive previously been discussing that this actually would be a very good (the best) move - to get hold of the WBA belt before summer and the take on Taylor or somebody like that this fall/winter.

But as things are turning out this strategy is a failure.

[Maden]

Wishful thinking to say the least. I
d be very surprised if the WBA not only force Mundine to fight Kessler instead of Soliman, but force him to do it in May. They'll give him at least 6 months notice.

Palle has basically jeopardized Kessler's chances with the US tv company
s that were interested for a very small chance that they'd be fighting Mundine around the time he was supposed to be fighting Miranda.

Dumb management, and Palle deserves to have his credentials come under question.

Let us see what happens! I am more optimistic on Kesslers behalf than you! ;)

[Hermit]

The problem with the big US exposure, is that the SMW division is dominated by people from outside of America! If Kessler want to fight the best competition the US is not the way to go! Money and titles are to be gained elsewhere!

But i have no doubt that Kessler will be fighting in the US. within a year and a half!
Taylor and Miranda have moved up and now it seems Pavlik will soon. I know, all over rated bums, even though Pavlik is rated 9 p4p by The Ring.

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[Maden]

Taylor and Miranda have moved up and now it seems Pavlik will soon. I know, all over rated bums, even though Pavlik is rated 9 p4p by The Ring.

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I don´t see them as bums! But at the moment they are not in the top 5 at SMW. And before they beat anyone in the top five they are nothing but challengers!

[Bslice]

Honestly I think he should just fight next, he has been out of competition too long

[Hermit]

His body can´t handle the strain of fighting on a more regular basis! So i rather see him as champion fighting two fights a year for three years, than a champion that retires prematurely because of injuries!
Well then, maybe he really doesn't want to get into the ring with someone that can hit as hard as Miranda? :yep

[Maden]

Well then, maybe he really doesn't want to get into the ring with someone that can hit as hard as Miranda? :yep

Miranda needs some more boxing skills to be a worldbeater. But of course everybody with genuine power is to be respected!