dirty derry done and dusted

[maka]

blew away, that wee chappie looks a hot prospect

[BIG WORM]

he got ripped apart man, i wernt expectin that

[stake501]

unfortunately hes 36

[rooq]

blew away, that wee chappie looks a hot prospect

yep...if he was 15 years younger.

i think choi will be even more avoided now. i don't think the wbu belt is adequate reward to put a prospect in with him

[sean]

matthews should have been brought up v the british title route.

at least if boxers go that route they have legacy and a proper title.

i would rather have 1 british title LONSDALE belt than 10 WBU DEFENSES.

not everyone can be a world champ and matthews clearly will not reach the that level but i hope that he is allowed to focus and fight at british title level .

[Big Ears]

yep...if he was 15 years younger.

i think choi will be even more avoided now. i don't think the wbu belt is adequate reward to put a prospect in with him

But now he's the unified WBF/WBU champion :lol:

I'd be happy Matthews lost , if he hadn't lost me money too .

First time I went into a bookies in my life , with Khan , Matthews , Sturm and Cotto on an accumulator , stake of €20 with a possible profit of €30 , and the Scouser goes and gets blown away by the avoided Mongoalian :-( .

With those two upsets(Crolla losing to Al Hamidi aswell) ****** might become even more protective then he has been .

[stake501]

But now he's the unified WBF/WBU champion :lol:

I'd be happy Matthews lost , if he hadn't lost me money too .

First time I went into a bookies in my life , with Khan , Matthews , Sturm and Cotto on an accumulator , stake of €20 with a possible profit of €30 , and the Scouser goes and gets blown away by the avoided Mongoalian :-( .

With those two upsets(Crolla losing to Al Hamidi aswell) ****** might become even more protective then he has been .


should have put it on the favorite in the national

[dwilson]

Dirty Derry will be back to reclaim the WBU title at Super feather. Come on Derry!!!

[hitman_hatton1]

ha ha someone posted this on another forum i post on.

Derry Mathews is an utter cunt. He had a baby with me cousin, used to beat her up and shit, she fucked him off. Treated her like shit, hope he dies in the ring.

sounds like a nice guy outside the ring don't he. :yep

[Big Ears]

should have put it on the favorite in the national

Know fuck all about horses tbh , you should only bet on things you know........then again even that didn't work for me :lol:

I've made my brother a lot of money with boxing tips in the past , maybe I should just stick with singles as accumulators always have that riskiness with quantity .

[stakeout]

ha ha someone posted this on another forum i post on.

Derry Mathews is an utter cunt. He had a baby with me cousin, used to beat her up and shit, she fucked him off. Treated her like shit, hope he dies in the ring.

sounds like a nice guy outside the ring don't he. :yep

That's brutal. :-(

[Decebal]

ha ha someone posted this on another forum i post on.

Derry Mathews is an utter cunt. He had a baby with me cousin, used to beat her up and shit, she fucked him off. Treated her like shit, hope he dies in the ring.

sounds like a nice guy outside the ring don't he. :yep

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Dirty inside and outside the ring?:verysad :-( :verysad :-( :verysad

[Eubank]

Must be true if sombody posted it on a forum :think

[Boom_Boom]

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Dirty inside and outside the ring?:verysad :-( :verysad :-( :verysad

I love that new avatar :rofl :rofl :rofl

[Boom_Boom]

Something wasnt right with that ref, and he looked awfully familiar.

Was he the same ref for the Tszyu/Hatton fight?

[Decebal]

I love that new avatar :rofl :rofl :rofl

:yep

[Max Molyneux]

ha ha someone posted this on another forum i post on.

Derry Mathews is an utter cunt. He had a baby with me cousin, used to beat her up and shit, she fucked him off. Treated her like shit, hope he dies in the ring.

sounds like a nice guy outside the ring don't he. :yep

What forum what that?

Probably some bitter chump who lost money when Derry won once maybe.

[dan-b]

Parris did his best to help Matthews.

[eborted_l]

^ Exactly that ref was fucking awful, Matthews was down at least one other time and was given time to recover, that lardy piece of shit looked incompetent

[dan-b]

^ Exactly that ref was fucking awful, Matthews was down at least one other time and was given time to recover, that lardy piece of shit looked incompetent

That lardy piece of shit helped Hatton out on a number of occasions.

[onourway]

That lardy piece of shit helped Hatton out on a number of occasions.
Like when?

Hatton owes it all to Parris eh?

[dan-b]

Like when?

Hatton owes it all to Parris eh?

Hey it's my stalker. Hows it going mate?

[onourway]

Answer the question.

When were these 'number of occasions' he saved Hatton?

[dan-b]

Answer the question.

When were these 'number of occasions' he saved Hatton?

Who the fuck are you to make demands of me you faceless little prick? Your very existance on here has revolved around stalking me. Parris & Vann reffed far too many of Hatton's fights during his WBU reign of terror.

[onourway]

So when did he save Hatton on a number of occasions?

I might start a facebook page saying you're ducking the question....

[rooq]

maybe you should set up a little private thread to have this irrelevant endless debate in

[dan-b]

So when did he save Hatton on a number of occasions?

I might start a facebook page saying you're ducking the question....

You do that.:lol:

[onourway]

So when did he save Hatton on a number of occasions?

Oh that's right, you're talking utter shite, what a surprise.

[dan-b]

So when did he save Hatton on a number of occasions?

Oh that's right, you're talking utter shite, what a surprise.

You have PM. Read it.

[onourway]

Just admit you're talking shit and we can both move on.

Or tell me of these number of occasions that Parris saved Hatton....?

[dan-b]

Just admit you're talking shit and we can both move on.

Or tell me of these number of occasions that Parris saved Hatton....?

I chucked you a bone & you didnt take it. This thread is not about mine & yours personal beef. Either take it to PM or you go on the ignore list. Simple.

[The Kurgan]

Choi is amongst the top 10 p4p Mongolian boxers in the world today. He's arguably one of the Mongolian boxers of ALL TIME.

I actually enjoyed that fight. Dirty Derry wasn't that dirty and, best of all, was demolished. I don't say this often, but I bet there are a lot of fun parties in Ulanbataar right now.

[onourway]

I chucked you a bone & you didnt take it. This thread is not about mine & yours personal beef. Either take it to PM or you go on the ignore list. Simple.

I'm asking you a question based on something you said in this thread.

You could have answered it or made a big deal out of it...

You chose the latter.

Number of occasions...when?

[Polymath]

Just admit you're talking shit and we can both move on.

Or tell me of these number of occasions that Parris saved Hatton....?

That you Ricky? :D
dan-b said helped, not 'saved'.
Every time I've seen hatton fight in the UK, its not an outrageous claim that the lenient refereeing has helped him.

[onourway]

That you Ricky? :D
dan-b said helped, not 'saved'.
Every time I've seen hatton fight in the UK, its not an outrageous claim that the lenient refereeing has helped him.

Helped, saved....when?

Which fights and was it Parris?

[rooq]

ignore list it is. i'm sick of threads which have fuck all to do with hatton and witter being hijacked.

[brown bomber]

Go Choi... How in the name of fuck did Foster lose to Derry Mathews?

[Akxtinguish]

What a beating. He sure got punished out there, but respect for getting up 4 times.

I couldn't believe how amateur-ish the fight was at times. The Mongolians got power, but the lack of footwork was quite shocking!

[rooq]

Go Choi... How in the name of fuck did Foster lose to Derry Mathews?

foster doesn't have choi's power or rampaging mongolian spirit.

[Max Molyneux]

foster doesn't have choi's power or rampaging mongolian spirit.

Foster did keep going forward but kept eating the jab and then was backed on the ropes with combinations.

I think Derry's lack of strength was his problem and trading, despite being big for 9stone he Isn't strong as he was outboxing Choi.

[Polymath]

Helped, saved....when?

Which fights and was it Parris?

forget it, it was abou the referee, LET IT GO PLEASE!!! :lol:

[Polymath]

Foster did keep going forward but kept eating the jab and then was backed on the ropes with combinations.

I think Derry's lack of strength was his problem and trading, despite being big for 9stone he Isn't strong as he was outboxing Choi.

I'd say he's tall, not 'big' - youre dead right though, Choi was just man handling him

[maka]

Parris did his best to help Matthews.

i agree and the fat git tried to rob morrison v daws as well, ersehole

[maka]

Go Choi... How in the name of fuck did Foster lose to Derry Mathews?

and simpson???

[hopkinsfan07]

i was standing up clapping when Dirty Derry got fucked up good a proper

[The Kurgan]

and simpson???

Simpson didn't lose to Matthews; he lost the decision, but you know and I know that that fight was a circus.

[maka]

Simpson didn't lose to Matthews; he lost the decision, but you know and I know that that fight was a circus.

exactly, robbed more like

[Max Molyneux]

Matthews won the Simpson fight by 2 points only because of the fouling and the knockdown otherwise It would of been wider.

[The Kurgan]

I wonder if the judges scored the 3rd round of the Choi demolition even? :think

[Decebal]

Simpson won the Matthews fight by 2 points only because of the fouling, cheating and rabbit punching were endorsed by the ref, otherwise It would of been wider.

fixed.:good

[Max Molyneux]

Even boxing news and monthly had Derry winning, only bitter Scots and you had Simpson winning.

That said though some of you guys have been shocking at scoring fights and score agression over cleaner shots.

[BIG WORM]

haha i cant believe that, derry was all over the place.. he might be strong but you gotta be a complete pussy to get hammerd the way he did, choi was beaten the shit out of him:lol: ..

[dan-b]

haha i cant believe that, derry was all over the place.. he might be strong but you gotta be a complete pussy to get hammerd the way he did, choi was beaten the shit out of him:lol: ..

I hope you never get banned from here.:lol:

[Max Molyneux]

A pussy to get hammered the way he did?:huh

Choi Is a heavy hitter and went the distance with a WBC Bantam champ and classy guys like Limond. Derry can take this as a learning fight and can come back, not like he was being outboxed, just out powered.

[Claypole]

I hope you never get banned from here.:lol:If we don't push our luck, there may be some mileage in this one.

[BIG WORM]

A pussy to get hammered the way he did?:huh

Choi Is a heavy hitter and went the distance with a WBC Bantam champ and classy guys like Limond. Derry can take this as a learning fight and can come back, not like he was being outboxed, just out powered.

nah he got outboxed, he got outclassed. He didnt have any answers for choi, so basically he got outboxed, and outclassed by the better fighter.

Derrys still a good fighter, he just picked the wrong man to mess with, chois a tough little man, hes a little warrior. Fair play to derry though he stepped up and took the challenge which no1 wanted to do

he should get a rematch if he thinks he got his tactics wrong

[Max Molyneux]

Out powered but not outboxed, Choi Is crude but powerful, Derry got hit by heavy hooks but he was able to land the jab and straight right easily on him but Choi Isn't easy to hurt.

[Decebal]

Flash would win 10/10 against Derry.

[Boom_Boom]

These matthews fans are sounding alot like the wlad fans after the Sanders fight.

[Max Molyneux]

These matthews fans are sounding alot like the wlad fans after the Sanders fight.

How exactly? Wlad wasn't outboxing Sanders and got caught by an explosive puncher and was beat early.

Choi is easy to hit and was being outboxed although winning on the cards because of the knockdowns tnen won by knocking him down a 5th time, nothing like Wlad fans.

Don't have to share popular opinion.

[Decebal]

How exactly? Wlad wasn't outboxing Sanders and got caught by an explosive puncher and was beat early.

Choi is easy to hit and was being outboxed although winning on the cards because of the knockdowns tnen won by knocking him down a 5th time, nothing like Wlad fans.

Don't have to share popular opinion.

Flash was letting Derry hit him at will because he wanted to set up his own punches; Derry's punches didn't have any effect on Flash anyway...so he could afford to do so...

[Max Molyneux]

Even when Choi's hands where up he was getting hit, I doubt It. I think thats Choi's regular style of fighting.

[Betty Swollocks]

So when did he save Hatton on a number of occasions?

I might start a facebook page saying you're ducking the question....

go and watch the first 3 roundof Hatton-Magee.....try and tell be Vann didn't save Hatton in one of those rounds. It was very clear and biased.

[Dan MT]

Wow, Choi was a little warrior. He was going for it from the first bell and Derry looked scared!

The ref was really helping Derry out aswell, I didn't know the WBU have the 3 knock down rule in a round. But Derry looked really tired, in the second round he looked gassed.

******s face when Derry kept getting knocked down was a picture. Seems to be a year for ****** losing fights.

[Jack Dempsey]

Matthews was very honest in the post fight interview I thought, it was a good fight, kudos to the little mongolian.

******s face was a picture during the other undercard fight too, Corra was it?

[Dan MT]

Yeah it was, its not often you see him with his head in his hands! haha

[kurt2006]

This was a great advertisement for British boxing. No scummy underhand b/s like they do in Germany.

[Jack Dempsey]

This was a great advertisement for British boxing. No scummy underhand b/s like they do in Germany.

True, the Mongolian chappie might have just scraped a draw had the Krauts been in charge

[nufc16]

Choi reminded me of a more ring smart version of the martinez guy that starched dunne and got beat by munroe.

Matthews had the height and reach to do what munroe did, but stupidly tried to trade with him far too often, even when he was hit and hurt he tried to fight fire with fire, which is crazy given that choi had never been stopped and derry is not exactly a big puncher, aswell as being a bit chinny.

[victorhugo4222]

Even boxing news and monthly had Derry winning, only bitter Scots and you had Simpson winning.

That said though some of you guys have been shocking at scoring fights and score agression over cleaner shots.

Max your boy got whipped tonight. justice has been done now Simpson is still british champ on the verge of winning the belt outright and a shot at the european title. weres derry going to go now???

[themacallan]

How exactly? Wlad wasn't outboxing Sanders and got caught by an explosive puncher and was beat early.

Choi is easy to hit and was being outboxed although winning on the cards because of the knockdowns tnen won by knocking him down a 5th time, nothing like Wlad fans.

Don't have to share popular opinion.Stop riding mathews cock for fuck sake. He got leathered by a mongol.

[Max Molyneux]

Max your boy got whipped tonight. justice has been done now Simpson is still british champ on the verge of winning the belt outright and a shot at the european title. weres derry going to go now???

Dunno where he'll go thats up to him.

He wasn't outboxed, just out powered and strengthed, not a whipping there.

As for Simpson he wouldn't be British champ If Derry had chosen to fight for his belt Instead of the WBU and was clearly beaten still, It wouldn't of been close If It wasn't for the point deductions and knockdown. I would of agreed with a DQ winfor John but since Derry didn't get DQ John lost clearly as Derry landed more. John was the agressor but you score cleaner punches not agression.

If John struggles with the likes of Al Hamidi like he did then Choi would beat him too and he would not win the European.

He will beat Appleby because Appleby ain't ready yet and Is being rushed though.

Derry deserves credit for fighting a guy whos ducked though and gave a good try, he can learn from this and come back from It, he Is better than Simpson and the other domestic featherweights.

[Max Molyneux]

Stop riding mathews cock for fuck sake. He got leathered by a mongol.

I know he lost and was knocked down 5 times and Ko'ed you dumb haggis muncher. I said Choi was winning too because of the knockdowns.

Just because I say something doesn't mean I'm making excuses, Choi Is crude but strong and powerful and was easy to hit with the straights.

Some Scottish posters need to stop having a chip on their shoulder and grow a brain. I say this about the ones who have a lack of respect for my opinions only though.

[Decebal]

Max, yeah, Derry deserves credit for fighting Choi. But Choi is much better. Outboxed him? You mean, stuck an ineffective jab in his face a good couple of times and cought him with some ineffective haymakers. Choi laughed at that, keps on walking forward and beat Derry up badly...badly...breaking his morale big time in the process.

Choi was much superior. He will be hard to beat, even by a world-class level boxer.

[Max Molyneux]

Max, yeah, Derry deserves credit for fighting Choi. But Choi is much better. Outboxed him? You mean, stuck an ineffective jab in his face a good couple of times and cought him with some ineffective haymakers. Choi laughed at that, keps on walking forward and beat Derry up badly...badly...breaking his morale big time in the process.

Choi was much superior. He will be hard to beat, even by a world-class level boxer.

Ineffective I agree but still landing hence outboxing him.

[Decebal]

Ineffective I agree but still landing hence outboxing him.

Max...you make that sound like an achievement. Choi couldn't care less what Derry was doing...it was water off a duck's back. He suckerpunched Derry all night!

[Max Molyneux]

Max...you make that sound like an achievement. Choi couldn't care less what Derry was doing...it was water off a duck's back. He suckerpunched Derry all night!

Not, really you guys overrexagerrate one part of my thoughts on the fight, I don't make It sound like anything special. I just Intended to post my thoughts on the fight like anyone else.

Dunno why you guys had to pick one point out so much, Derry lost In the end, but I notice It's only the ones who were bitter about the Simpson fight.

The Scots call me stupid crap for little points but what they said about Anderson losing makes them hypocritical really.

[Decebal]

Not, really you guys overrexagerrate one part of my thoughts on the fight, I don't make It sound like anything special. I just Intended to post my thoughts on the fight like anyone else.

Dunno why you guys had to pick one point out so much, Derry lost In the end, but I notice It's only the ones who were bitter about the Simpson fight.

The Scots call me stupid crap for little points but what they said about Anderson losing makes them hypocritical really.

Well, us Scots don't like it when you are defending that Derry...or saying he beat Simpson 9-3...you are a Derry nuthugger and we don't like that.:deal

[Max Molyneux]

Well, us Scots don't like it when you are defending that Derry...or saying he beat Simpson 9-3...you are a Derry nuthugger and we don't like that.:deal

Scots are Anderson and Scott Harrison nuthggers so were even.

Muttley was winning wide against Anderson and the Scots scored It close.

I thought you were Romanian though?

[Decebal]

Scots are Anderson and Scott Harrison nuthggers so were even.

Muttley was winning wide against Anderson and the Scots scored It close.

I don't know anything about that...

[Vantage_West]

choi's english....he speaks with a lancashire accent. he's from mongolia, given, but he is as british as jeff.

[Top Dog]

Man, that was a good beating that lanky streak of pish got there, laughed my tits off, I hate that guy, couldnt believe it when the wee mongol guy starched him, but the signs where there from the second round. Well done wee mongol guy, hopefully Derry fucks off down the hole he came from, twat. For the record Simpson WAS robbed against him, no doubt about it, another circus act.

[Decebal]

choi's english....he speaks with a lancashire accent. he's from mongolia, given, but he is as british as jeff.

If only jeff could be as Mongolian as The Flash...:think

[Max Molyneux]

I don't know anything about that...

Did you know about the 2nd Simpson Vs Morris fight where Morris lost on a tiny cut which shouldn't of been stopped? The scots were trying everything to justify that even though John won the 3rd fight.

They have double standards.

[Decebal]

Did you know about the 2nd Simpson Vs Morris fight where Morris lost on a tiny cut which shouldn't of been stopped? The scots were trying everything to justify that even though John won the 3rd fight.

They have double standards.

I didn't know...

[brown bomber]

choi's english....he speaks with a lancashire accent. he's from mongolia, given, but he is as british as jeff. I'd have to disagree vantage. I was brought up in the UK from 6 plus my dad is half english and my mother Irish so I'm far more British then Choi. lol.

[Decebal]

Very nice story of Choi...later on in the first part

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Watch ****** laugh at the end of the interview...wasn't laughing at the end of the fight, was he!

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[Smirf]

i was absolutley gutted yeno bein from Liverpool and that. Theres bo doubt about it Derry was beaten fair and square. Derry looked weak though. Hell be back, he should move up weight i think though

[Dunky McCafferty]

I laughed and laughed at that obnoxious cunt Matthews taking a beating.

Theres no doubt Derry ripping Simpsons cut wide open like that & then gloating about it afterwards having 'dirty' on his shorts turned people off him.
It would be like that Taylor guy who plays for Birmingham returning to action with 'tasty tackle Taylor' on his shirt after he wrecked that Arsenal plyers leg.
Of course he didnt, but Derry did, & people on these shores dont like that attitude.

Matthews has created a rod for his own back with his actions. No wonder people are laughing at him. & Its all his own fault. The guy should have admitted he was an asshole in that fight instead of gloating about it, & maybe he would have won some fans & respect back. But he mixes with footballers, & they are the most arrogant cunts on earth. maybe that mentality rubbed off on him like he rubbed Simpsons cut that night, who knows?

[zulander]

I was well chuffed when they said Choi was from Oldham. Made me laugh my head off.
Dont like Derry was glad he got pole axed.
A question tho.
If that was Oscar Delya Hoya rolling on the floor on the 5th knock down would people have said he was play acting?
PS Does Derry have the strangest build in boxing he has muscle on the ends of his shoulders it looks like someone has put padding under his skin. For someone so tall he didnt use his height very well hes got such a wide stance he ends up giving the height advantage away

[elle]

Even boxing news and monthly had Derry winning, only bitter Scots and you had Simpson winning.

Well, I'm not a bitter scot and I firmly believe Simpson deserved a draw at least against Matthews.

Continuing the scottish theme, this Choi win makes Willie Limonds victory over him a few years back look even more impressive.

I'm no fan of Matthews but I never rejoice when a british boxer suffers what was quite a humiliating defeat. He looked really devastated when talking to the cameras afterwards but made no excuses so credit for that.

[Govanmauler]

I got to say I dunno if Derry will ever be the same , that had career-ender written all over it. That last knock out and then crawling round the ring... last time I saw that it was Mike Anchondo and what happened to him.

[victorhugo4222]

Dunno where he'll go thats up to him.

He wasn't outboxed, just out powered and strengthed, not a whipping there.

As for Simpson he wouldn't be British champ If Derry had chosen to fight for his belt Instead of the WBU and was clearly beaten still, It wouldn't of been close If It wasn't for the point deductions and knockdown. I would of agreed with a DQ winfor John but since Derry didn't get DQ John lost clearly as Derry landed more. John was the agressor but you score cleaner punches not agression.

If John struggles with the likes of Al Hamidi like he did then Choi would beat him too and he would not win the European.

He will beat Appleby because Appleby ain't ready yet and Is being rushed though.

Derry deserves credit for fighting a guy whos ducked though and gave a good try, he can learn from this and come back from It, he Is better than Simpson and the other domestic featherweights.
So because Derry decides for the 1st time in his career to step up and fight a decent fighter he should get credit??? John has did that all his career. hes fought champions Dazzo williams, your boy Matthews all in there own back yard. hes came to london to fight Foster Jr and even once he had came to england and won the belt he still had to come back down to London to defend it twice against ryan barrett and andy morris.

derry could learn 1 thing though John has came back much stronger from his defeats and made him a much better boxer.

Aa for Appleby being too inexperienced What about Matthew Marsh?? he isnt even a featherweight and still gets a shot at a supposed world title in like only his 10th fight??

[Max Molyneux]

So because Derry decides for the 1st time in his career to step up and fight a decent fighter he should get credit??? John has did that all his career. hes fought champions Dazzo williams, your boy Matthews all in there own back yard. hes came to london to fight Foster Jr and even once he had came to england and won the belt he still had to come back down to London to defend it twice against ryan barrett and andy morris.

derry could learn 1 thing though John has came back much stronger from his defeats and made him a much better boxer.

Aa for Appleby being too inexperienced What about Matthew Marsh?? he isnt even a featherweight and still gets a shot at a supposed world title in like only his 10th fight??

Some Scots jump on Derry but were defending Simpson's second fight against Morris when that cut wasn't enough to be stopped. Not for the 1st time, he beat Foster Jr on 2 weeks notice which your boy Simpson couldn't do and Derry beat him easy.

Matthews needs to learn not to trade as I was suprised he lacked the strength despite being 5ft 9 which Is big for a featheweight. He needs to defend against hooks more too and thats what Simpson knocked him down with.

[Max Molyneux]

Foster was dead at the weight and, as SFW, he looked much better. The guy that gave Arthur hell would have blasted Derry.

Derry is a little shit, always mouthing off and playing the bad boy. he took a beating and it's that simple - he didn't just lose, he got humiliated.

Not seen any Interviews with him blasting off.

Dead at the weight yet was only 9st 2 at Super Feather? Arthur should of battered a come forward fighter like Foster though, Guzman's going to paste Arthur and I like Arthur.

[themacallan]

Mathews was outboxing the guy that much he only got decked how many times? :lol::lol:

[Dunky McCafferty]

Guzman's going to paste Arthur.

aah. another one to add to my huge list of people I am going to come in & laugh at when Arthurs knocks out Guzman. I better have some laughing gas at the ready, cos Im gonna need it with the amount of laughing im going to be doing at all the Arthur doubters & haters after the event:smoke

I was gonna put in a laughing smilie, but I dont want to suffer from burnout when Im going to need all the laughs I can muster up after Alex has gubbed gobby Guzman.

[Max Molyneux]

Guzman would beat Foster Jr easy and wouldn't of got knocked down by him.

Arthur's strong and can throw good combinations but he shouldn't of been manhandled by the smaller man In there and can be too much of a slow starter.

I can Guzman being too fast and winning on points.

[Max Molyneux]

Mathews was outboxing the guy that much he only got decked how many times? :lol::lol:

Yep, he even got up to win the 4th round then knocked down twice In the 5th before and being unable to beat the count.

[Boro chris]

Wasn't there a hair metal song a few years back with the lyrics "Dirty Derry done dirt cheep"?:think

[Dunky McCafferty]

Guzman would beat Foster Jr easy and wouldn't of got knocked down by him.

Arthur's strong and can throw good combinations but he shouldn't of been manhandled by the smaller man In there and can be too much of a slow starter.

I can Guzman being too fast and winning on points.

You said Guzman would get pasted max. Therefore, you are on my massive list of people to laugh at when Arthur wins.

You know me max, when anyone vociferously picks against the scot, it releases the beast in me.

braveheart to the graveyard.

[The taff]

aah. another one to add to my huge list of people I am going to come in & laugh at when Arthurs knocks out Guzman. I better have some laughing gas at the ready, cos Im gonna need it with the amount of laughing im going to be doing at all the Arthur doubters & haters after the event:smoke

I was gonna put in a laughing smilie, but I dont want to suffer from burnout when Im going to need all the laughs I can muster up after Alex has gubbed gobby Guzman.

Dunky, do you really think Arthur will beat Guzman? I like AAA, but this is a fight he will lose. AA had a rough time against foster and Guzman although i think is overrated IS a class above Foster. Just because people think Arthur will lose, it doesn't mean they are anti scottish or a hater of Arthur, they are just looking at the facts. Guzman has mixed in better class and technically he is better than AAA.

I hope you are right and prove everyone wrong, for British boxing, but i can't see it happening.

[Max Molyneux]

You said Guzman would get pasted max. Therefore, you are on my massive list of people to laugh at when Arthur wins.

You know me max, when anyone vociferously picks against the scot, it releases the beast in me.

braveheart to the graveyard.

True I did say he's getting pasted.

I predict this based on styles rather than just simply saying Joan Is In a higher league and fought better fighters unlike most.

If Arthur wins you deserve to laugh Dunkster.:deal

[Dunky McCafferty]

True I did say he's getting pasted.

I predict this based on styles rather than just simply saying Joan Is In a higher league and fought better fighters unlike most.

If Arthur wins you deserve to laugh Dunkster.:deal

Im just having a laugh with you Max my good man, I dont mind you saying what you do when there are so many people having a pop at the fighter you like cos he got beat.
If I was in your shoes, I would have been a whole lot nastier to everyone who was having a go at you & Derry! If Arthur wins I will be only laughing at the haters, no worries. Your safe Max;)

& in the cold light of day, Derry was caught unawares by a highly motivated wily strong avoided opponent. Shit happens from time to time, just ask Alex Arthur, he underestimated Gomez & got KO'd, but look where he is now, on the brink of superstardom if he can beat Guzman.
& Choi is a far superior fighter to Gomez IMO. So who knows what the future holds for Matthews, he could come back stronger for his defeat like Arthur did.

a defeat aint the end of the world for a fighter, I always tell people that here.

[Robbi]

Guzman rules. He's the undertaker and he's controlling Arthur's destiny to either a cremation or burial.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Dunky, do you really think Arthur will beat Guzman? I like AAA, but this is a fight he will lose. AA had a rough time against foster and Guzman although i think is overrated IS a class above Foster. Just because people think Arthur will lose, it doesn't mean they are anti scottish or a hater of Arthur, they are just looking at the facts. Guzman has mixed in better class and technically he is better than AAA.

I hope you are right and prove everyone wrong, for British boxing, but i can't see it happening.

Now thats what hurts, when people like yourself ask me if I REALLY think Arthur will win, like Im just blindly backing Arthur cos hes a scot. I have always said Guzman is overrated, he has never impressed me that much. Look at his record Taff, its not all that, & he isnt the biggest or strongest fighter in the division.
Hes also fighting against a big natural super-feather in Alex Arthur, a former british, commonwealth & european champion with a great amateur pedigree with sound boxing skills, sound power & a good jab & throws a mean left hook to the body.

Sit back & think about it with a clear head, dont listen to the Guzman loving & this fight suddenly isnt a mismatch. Guzman is fighting a european champion who is in his prime in his own backyard. Thats not what I would call an easy nights work. & then look at Guzmans KO record since hes stepped up in weight, he hasnt carried his power up the weights.

But I know this post is like whistling in the wind, peoples minds are already made up that Guzman is fighting a no-hoper cos Arthur suffered a flash knockdown in his last fight. People say its Arthur that doesnt know what hes let himself in for, but IMO its Guzman that has made the mistake taking this fight.

Of course Arthur can win. & he WILL win IMO.

[Robbi]

its not all that, & he isnt the biggest or strongest fighter in the division.
Hes also fighting against a big natural super-feather in Alex Arthur.

Because Guzman was previously a super-bantamweight, that makes things decieving. Make no mistake about it, Guzman is one of the biggest and strongest in the division. He weighed in at 132 1/2lbs for a non-title fight, the one before Barrios, and amazingly stepped on the scales on fight night at a whopping 147lbs. Thats coming in as a welterweight. Just under a full stone between the weigh-in and fight time.

Pacquiao comes under the same criteria. He's moved up about four weights and is not struggling to make super-featherweight.

If anyone is naturally bigger than the other in this fight, It's Guzman being bigger than Arthur. But the size difference aint much, not enough to shout about.

[Robbi]

Guzman is fighting a european champion who is in his prime in his own backyard. Thats not what I would call an easy nights work.

Just because Guzman is fighting someone in his prime who's a former European champion that automatically means its not an easy nights work for him? On paper that holds Arthur in good stead, but it's not set in stone that its not an easy nights work. Not unless you have a crystal ball.

If someone has the opinion Arthur will win, no problem. But to say because he's in his prime and a former European champion it aint an easy nights work for Guzman. Well, maybe you like to think so Dunky. But we shall need to wait and see. I'm basing my prediction on ability and versatility.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Because Guzman was previously a super-bantamweight, that makes things decieving. Make no mistake about it, Guzman is one of the biggest and strongest in the division. He weighed in at 132 1/2lbs for a non-title fight, the one before Barrios, and amazingly stepped on the scales on fight night at a whopping 147lbs. Thats coming in as a welterweight. Just under a full stone between the weigh-in and fight time.

Pacquiao comes under the same criteria. He's moved up about four weights and is not struggling to make super-featherweight.

If anyone is naturally bigger than the other in this fight, It's Guzman being bigger than Arthur. But the size difference aint much, not enough to shout about.

He may put on a ridiculous amount of weight, but sadly for Guzman it doesnt transmit into punching power. He may be one of the biggest, but hes NOT one of the strongest. He hasnt been a big puncher since his super bantam days. One glimpse at his record tells us that.

As for Arthur, he hurts guys at super-feather. Hes a natural super-feather, who has power at the weight. Guzman may have the weight advantge come fight time, but thats about it. & remember, bulking up too much takes away the one thing everyone goes crazy about when talking about Guzman, his SPEED.

But Im giving away too much here already, I just want to sit back relax & let everyone go Guzman crazy before I have my last laugh.

[Dunky McCafferty]

Just because Guzman is fighting someone in his prime who's a former European champion that automatically means its not an easy nights work for him? On paper that holds Arthur in good stead, but it's not set in stone that its not an easy nights work. Not unless you have a crystal ball.

If someone has the opinion Arthur will win, no problem. But to say because he's in his prime and a former European champion it aint an easy nights work for Guzman. Well, maybe you like to think so Dunky. But we shall need to wait and see. I'm basing my prediction on ability and versatility.

You say you are basing your prediction on ability & versatility, thats fair enough. I just dont see the ability & versatility in Guzman that others see, like you dont see how fighting a former european champion in his prime in his own backyard is a problem for Guzman.

Its a stalemate, none of us are going to convince the other that we are right.
Just remember to come into my Alex Arthur party thread after Alex has won Robbi.
There will be cheese, wine, & a pig called Huki to be feasted upon. Dont miss it!