Carmen Basilio vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. whos your pick?

[RealIzm]

Just curious as to your thoughts on how this one plays out:think

[RealIzm]

I'm guessing if Floyd had a Delorean and went back to Basilios day to fight he would more than likely avoid Carmen for the most obvious reasons
If Basilio can break down Sugar Ray Robinson he can obliterate Floyd Mayweather Jr. at least in my humble opinion

[El Puma]

Carmen would be extremely tough for Floyd with his chin,stamina and non stop hard punching.

Floyd has the skills to avoid Carmen in the ring but for how long?

[RealIzm]

Carmen would be extremely tough for Floyd with his chin,stamina and non stop hard punching.

Floyd has the skills to avoid Carmen in the ring but for how long?Exactly:good
Dare we even mention the power difference? Basilio would reign supreme at 147 right now
Basilio also had very good reflexes and again the power would easily surpass Cotto or Margarito of today....anyone disagree?

[RealIzm]

Shit people don't just vote...tell me why

[Sizzle]

I went for too close to call.

Floyd was faster, slicker, and Basilio had the come forward style that is ideal for Floyd, but,

Basilio won the middleweight World title, and in comparison to Ricky Hatton was 10X the fighter in virtually every regard. Bigger, stronger, much more technically gifted, a better puncher, more resilient and better conditioned. The only thing I'd give the edge to Hatton on is perhaps footspeed, he can get inside very quickly.

I might lean towards Basilio ultimately, but let me regard this a 50/50 fight.

[Mantequilla]

Vast difference in strength between the two.

Floyd would spend most of the fight getting worked over on the ropes and in corners.

[PeterD]

Basilio was tough, he swarmed and threw a lot of punches. Perhaps didn't mind giving a head-butt or two. Not the most skilful fighter but a lot of guts.

Sounds like Ricky Hatton.

I think Mayweather would do the same to Basilio as he did to Hatton.

[pugilistspecialist]

Basilio could be outboxed....and on the elite level he was easy to hit and cut. I see Mayweather winning a close desicison. Basilio would be hell the whole way through. Basilio was inconsistent...and people bring up Robinson but at that point he was past prime and past his best weight. Basilio wasnt a huge puncher, is 2 inches shorter than Floyd and his defense was just decent. Floyd would land alot of flush counter shots and his slickness and footwork would see him through. Close one but have to go with the boxer over the Brawler. Lesser fighters than Mayweather beat a prime BaSILIO

[sweet_scientist]

Basilio could be outboxed....and on the elite level he was easy to hit and cut. I see Mayweather winning a close desicison. Basilio would be hell the whole way through. Basilio was inconsistent...and people bring up Robinson but at that point he was past prime and past his best weight. Basilio wasnt a huge puncher, is 2 inches shorter than Floyd and his defense was just decent. Floyd would land alot of flush counter shots and his slickness and footwork would see him through. Close one but have to go with the boxer over the Brawler. Lesser fighters than Mayweather beat a prime BaSILIO

Robberies such as the first Saxton fight aside, like who?

[sweet_scientist]

Basilio was tough, he swarmed and threw a lot of punches. Perhaps didn't mind giving a head-butt or two. Not the most skilful fighter but a lot of guts.

Sounds like Ricky Hatton.

I think Mayweather would do the same to Basilio as he did to Hatton.

Sounds like Ricky Hatton, but only bigger, stronger, tougher, more powerful, a better chin and better punch variety and defense.

[sweet_scientist]

He probably won't be ahead in the poll by the time this thread is over, but he's winning it at the moment, and really it's a huge compliment to Floyd's ability to be even in a discussion with a natural welter who beat the likes of Sugar Ray Robinson, Billy Graham, Tony DeMarco, Pierre Langlois, Gil Turner, Johnny Saxton, Art Aragon and arguably Kid Gavilan as well.

[Minotauro]

I gotta give with Basilio via decision especially over 15 Carmen came alive in those championship rounds he hit hard, excellent stamina and punch output worked the body very well had an amazing chin and one of the biggest hearts ever. I see him being outboxed in the beginning then coming back and by the end he is winning the round big which swings it his way.

[pugilistspecialist]

Robberies such as the first Saxton fight aside, like who?

Billy Graghm, Paul Pender, Chuck Davey, and Lester Cesario....like I said he could bbe outboxed and it happened quite often on the elite level. He had 16 losses for a reason and it wasnt because he fought Ray Robinson and Gavilan 8 times a piece.

[Dempsey1238]

Pendler and Grahman would have giving Mayweather a run for there money imo.

[sweet_scientist]

Billy Graghm, Paul Pender, Chuck Davey, and Lester Cesario....like I said he could bbe outboxed and it happened quite often on the elite level. He had 16 losses for a reason and it wasnt because he fought Ray Robinson and Gavilan 8 times a piece.

You didn't name a fight in his prime. And just for the record, I don't think Floyd Mayweather is any better than Billy Graham.

[pugilistspecialist]

You didn't name a fight in his prime. And just for the record, I don't think Floyd Mayweather is any better than Billy Graham.

Pender was the only lose I said when Basiliio was past prime at middleweight. Chuck Davey and Graham beat a prime Carmen at 147. As far Mayweather not being any better than Graham, look at it this way. What other former junior-lightweight champ would even be discussed fighting welterweight champs and greats? Graham was one of the best fighters never to win a title, but did come up short against the very best more times than not. Mayweather has won 3 lineal titles, 5 belts in 5weight classes, beaten 12-13 world champions....I think he has proven to be a leve over Graham...he never came up short and excelled agains his best competition.

[pugilistspecialist]

You didn't name a fight in his prime. And just for the record, I don't think Floyd Mayweather is any better than Billy Graham.

No names Ross Virgo, Vic Cardell, and Lester Felton beat a prime Bassilio at welterweight and also Davey beat him and held him to a draw..he could be outboxed.

Graham was a great contender but lost to Tippy Larkin,Paddy Demarco, Toney Pellone twice and came up short against Gavilan, Giardello and the best of his day...Mayweathr is a more accomplished fighter and better my friend

[PowerPuncher]

Mayweather wins 120-108, although Mayweatehr may KD Basillo a couple of times. Basillo was made for Mayweather and fights very similarly to Corrales, stays at range and looks for opportunities to throw his combinations. He is nto that difficult too outbox and Mayweather would land his shots at will and get back up. Basillo would occasionally mount attacks and find himself punching air.

[PowerPuncher]

BTW, Basillo beat ancient versions of Robinson (an SD) and Galivan, in there prime both would beat him comfortably

[Minotauro]

Mayweather wins 120-108, although Mayweatehr may KD Basillo a couple of times. Basillo was made for Mayweather and fights very similarly to Corrales, stays at range and looks for opportunities to throw his combinations. He is nto that difficult too outbox and Mayweather would land his shots at will and get back up. Basillo would occasionally mount attacks and find himself punching air.

Basilio has an ATG chin Robinson couldn't drop him in two wars at middleweight and neither could Ike, yet Mayweather will drop him on a couple of occasions. He fights like Corrales? That’s news to me and I've seen a fair share of Basilio fights he hold more similarities to Castilo and Hatton then Corrales. Except bigger, very physically strong better chin and hit harder as well as having a higher work rate and had knockout power up to the last round. How many of Basilio fights have you seen your description sound nothing like him?

[mightyd40]

i see a safe playing floyd outboxing carmen over the entire fight with carmen getting pissed that he wont mix it up like a man

[Bo Bo Olson]

Basilio was the One and Only World Champion in two weights.
Floyd has never unified at any weight.
All the real world Champions fought the top 3 men, usually the number 1,unless it was a keep busy, or a warm up fight where they dipped down to say 7,8, or 9.
Floyd and any other Champion of today, with out three or more belts , is not doing that.
A one belt Champ, is fighting at best a real number three but mostly a number 5 guy, or 6. That was the guys that the Champ of yesteryear seldom fought for the Championship. He might have fought a low ranker, still top ten in a non championship fight.

If you ain't' got at least three belts, you ain't champ. IMO, but I'm from back in the BC....Before Color TV and way Before Computer.

Hell today it's news if some contender fights a contender at his level...9 or 10, because all the top 7 are waiting for a Championship fight with someone.

An Elimination fight is still seldom today, in the old days, the single line of Top Ten fighters fought to be number one, not sat on their duffs at number 6, and pick which Champ they figger they got the best chance against.

It would be a much harder fight than you'd expect.

[sweet_scientist]

No names Ross Virgo, Vic Cardell, and Lester Felton beat a prime Bassilio at welterweight and also Davey beat him and held him to a draw..he could be outboxed.
Those were all fights out of his prime with the arguable exception of the Davey fight. Basilio could be outboxed, but he had such a will to win that in his prime, it didn't matter, he'd come on and win in any case. The only one that outboxed him in his prime is Kid Gavilan, and that's a disputed decision which many felt Carmen won.

Graham was a great contender but lost to Tippy Larkin,Paddy Demarco, Toney Pellone twice and came up short against Gavilan, Giardello and the best of his day...Mayweathr is a more accomplished fighter and better my friend
Mayweather is more accomplished? Hilarious.

Graham beat Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Joey Giardello, Art Aragon, Paddy Young, Arto Soto, Johnny Cesario, Jimmy Herring, Terry Young, Tony LaBua, Jimmy Sanders, Tony Pellone, Jean Walzack, Pat Scanlon, Cleo Shans, Willie Beltram, Frankie Carto, Ted Christie and Charley "Cabey" Lewis. That's a resume Floyd would wish of matching and may do it if he fights til the age of 50.

And for the record, pretty much every single loss of Graham's was either close or disputable.

He arguably should be 3-0 against Giardello. He won the third encounter and I have seen the second where I think he clearly outboxed Joey, and the first fight was a disputed loss as well.

[Stonehands89]

Maryweather wasn't as dominant against Hatton as expected. Basilio is a gamma-Hatton.

Basilio Decision.

[PowerPuncher]

Maryweather wasn't as dominant against Hatton as expected. Basilio is a gamma-Hatton.

Basilio Decision.

Not dominant? He won every round and ko'd him in the 10th

[PowerPuncher]

Basilio has an ATG chin Robinson couldn't drop him in two wars at middleweight and neither could Ike, yet Mayweather will drop him on a couple of occasions. He fights like Corrales? That’s news to me and I've seen a fair share of Basilio fights he hold more similarities to Castilo and Hatton then Corrales. Except bigger, very physically strong better chin and hit harder as well as having a higher work rate and had knockout power up to the last round. How many of Basilio fights have you seen your description sound nothing like him?

I've seen plenty of Basillo and he had the physical appearance of a Castillo/Hatton but often had the more plodding style of a Corrales because he didnt close the gap very quickly and picked him moment more carefully. He took too long to set up attacks and when hes doing that picked apart. Hes just FAR FAR too SLOW

Either way it doesn't matter because he doesn't have the skill to win this match up

[Minotauro]

I've seen plenty of Basillo and he had the physical appearance of a Castillo/Hatton but often had the more plodding style of a Corrales because he didnt close the gap very quickly and picked him moment more carefully. He took too long to set up attacks and when hes doing that picked apart. Hes just FAR FAR too SLOW

Either way it doesn't matter because he doesn't have the skill to win this match up

He just doesn't just have the physical appearance of Castillo and Hatton but they have similar styles Corrales is a totally different style and you still have not mentioned why you feel Maywather will knock him down a couple time despite the fact he has one of the best chins in welterweight history.

How can a man take to long to set up his attack when his punch output is amazing and he is constantly punching, the guy was non stop attack. He didn't just stand there and wait for a chance to attack like what you are trying to imply. And last time I checked Mayweather is much more skilled then Castillo yet that fight could have gone either way.

[sweet_scientist]

As far Mayweather not being any better than Graham, look at it this way. What other former junior-lightweight champ would even be discussed fighting welterweight champs and greats?

Graham was one of the best fighters never to win a title, but did come up short against the very best more times than not. Mayweather has won 3 lineal titles, 5 belts in 5weight classes, beaten 12-13 world champions....I think he has proven to be a leve over Graham...he never came up short and excelled agains his best competition.

How many of the so called champions that Mayweather beat would have actually been champions in Billy Graham's era? Arguably none. And what's more, arguably Mayweather himself wouldn't have been a champion when you consider that he would have been vying for titles with the likes of Robinson, Gavilan, Basilio, Graham, Angott, Jack, Williams, Montgomery and Carter.

And as for never coming up short and excelling against his best competition, the two fights he arguably lost (DLH and Castillo) were actually against his best competiton. As far as I'm concerned, that could have been two losses for him and the W's next to his name mean no more than a SD loss on Graham's ledger.

[Mantequilla]

basilio never gets his due.

A much smaller weaker man, that struggled to contain an unskilled labourer like Jose Luis Castillo(the worst high profile lightweight of the past 30 years) at lightweight is just going to box rings around him when the likes of Kid Gavilan couldn't.

[PowerPuncher]

basilio never gets his due.

A much smaller weaker man, that struggled to contain an unskilled labourer like Jose Luis Castillo(the worst high profile lightweight of the past 30 years) at lightweight is just going to box rings around him when the likes of Kid Gavilan couldn't.

Galivan was past his prime and he still boxed circles round Basillo the majority of the time excluding the KD.

Castillo has the same talent as Basillo and guess what he lost twice. On Mayweathers worst night he won an SD, he erased any doubts by winning a wide UD, on Basillos worst night he was losing to journeymen

[PowerPuncher]

not mentioned why you feel Maywather will knock him down a couple time despite the fact he has one of the best chins in welterweight history..

Because he is open to being pot shotted and because of his lack of speed I expect him to be countered coming in.

[Minotauro]

[quote=PowerPuncher}
Because he is open to being pot shotted and because of his lack of speed I expect him to be countered coming in.[/quote]

So because he is open and slow he gonna get knocked down? Considering Carlos Baldomir is as open and even slower with a lower punch output and less power with maybe equal chin and yet Floyd couldn't hurt him once. So something others couldn’t do which includes Ray Robinson who is one of the hardest hitters ever p4p and was coming off his most impressive knockout. As well as Ike Williams arguably the hardest hitting lightweight and both men being very accurate not to mention the countless other hard hitter Basilio faced and stood up too. Yet your convinced Mayweather a guy who couldn't drop the "granite" chin Zab Judah down with drop Basilio on a couple of occasions. Yeh I could see that happening.

[Stonehands89]

Not dominant? He won every round and ko'd him in the 10th
Mayweather was ahead 89-81 on two ringside scorecards and 88-82 on another. So, no he didn't. And many observers, including myself, saw it closer.

[Mega Lamps]

I've thought of this before and it would be an entertaining fight but a prime Basilio is just too much for Mayweather and would win a Unanimous Decision I believe. Mayweather's defense may prevent a stoppage.

[PowerPuncher]

So because he is open and slow he gonna get knocked down? Considering Carlos Baldomir is as open and even slower with a lower punch output and less power with maybe equal chin and yet Floyd couldn't hurt him once. So something others couldn’t do which includes Ray Robinson who is one of the hardest hitters ever p4p and was coming off his most impressive knockout. As well as Ike Williams arguably the hardest hitting lightweight and both men being very accurate not to mention the countless other hard hitter Basilio faced and stood up too. Yet your convinced Mayweather a guy who couldn't drop the "granite" chin Zab Judah down with drop Basilio on a couple of occasions. Yeh I could see that happening.

Mayweather stopped Hatton a similar fighter who a puncher like Tyszu couldn't stop. mayweather floors fighters because he lands flush and perfectly and very often, I'm not rating him the biggest puncher. Mayweather didnt stop the iron chinned Baldomir partly because he broke his hand, against Judah he got low blowed.

Sugar Ray was way past his prime when he faced Basillo

[PowerPuncher]

Mayweather was ahead 89-81 on two ringside scorecards and 88-82 on another. So, no he didn't. And many observers, including myself, saw it closer.

Hatton wasn't landing anything of note though and got tagged flush in every round. At most you can give Hatton 2 rounds. If it went the 12rounds hatton could have lost every round or at most won 2 rounds. Thats a domination

[Minotauro]

Mayweather stopped Hatton a similar fighter who a puncher like Tyszu couldn't stop. mayweather floors fighters because he lands flush and perfectly and very often, I'm not rating him the biggest puncher. Mayweather didnt stop the iron chinned Baldomir partly because he broke his hand, against Judah he got low blowed.

Sugar Ray was way past his prime when he faced Basillo

Are you seriously comparing Hatton chin to Basilio because Carmen had a much better chin he was only stopped twice in 72 fights and both stoppages were controversial especially the second. I'm not saying Robinson was in his prime but his power was still there evident by him knocking out Fullmer who had a great chin in his previous bout. A past prime Basilio was able to take a prime hard hitting Fullmer shots for 14 rounds. The guys chin is great without question nothing you have said gives any reasoning that Mayweather would knock him down, just because he can knock down Hatton doesn't mean he doing it to Carmen. A lot less durable fighters have stood up to Mayweathers shots and yet your convinced one of the most durable welterweights ever would fall.

[PowerPuncher]

Are you seriously comparing Hatton chin to Basilio because Carmen had a much better chin he was only stopped twice in 72 fights and both stoppages were controversial especially the second. I'm not saying Robinson was in his prime but his power was still there evident by him knocking out Fullmer who had a great chin in his previous bout. A past prime Basilio was able to take a prime hard hitting Fullmer shots for 14 rounds. The guys chin is great without question nothing you have said gives any reasoning that Mayweather would knock him down, just because he can knock down Hatton doesn't mean he doing it to Carmen. A lot less durable fighters have stood up to Mayweathers shots and yet your convinced one of the most durable welterweights ever would fall.

Hatton has a top grade chin, I'm not talking down Basilos chin just saying if he kept getting caught flush for 12 rounds something would give in the later rounds. People said Hatton couldn't be stopped after eating Tyszu's shots flush for 11 rounds, now remember Tyszu was been talked about as being the hardest puncher P4P at the time

36yo Sugar may have still had his power against Basilo but did he still have the timing, placement, stamina to hold his power for the 15, I don't think so. Also Basilo fighting at 160 will have been stronger and have been able to absorb punnishment better

Mayweather may not KD Basilo but he will regularly hit him flush and if the neck starts snapping back he'll get kd'ed, if not he'll lose a wide UD.

Fullmer was hardly Mr KO with 24KOs from 64 fights

[Minotauro]

Hatton has a top grade chin, I'm not talking down Basilos chin just saying if he kept getting caught flush for 12 rounds something would give in the later rounds. People said Hatton couldn't be stopped after eating Tyszu's shots flush for 11 rounds, now remember Tyszu was been talked about as being the hardest puncher P4P at the time

36yo Sugar may have still had his power against Basilo but did he still have the timing, placement, stamina to hold his power for the 15, I don't think so. Also Basilo fighting at 160 will have been stronger and have been able to absorb punnishment better

Mayweather may not KD Basilo but he will regularly hit him flush and if the neck starts snapping back he'll get kd'ed, if not he'll lose a wide UD.

Fullmer was hardly Mr KO with 24KOs from 64 fights

Hatton had been dropped by Eamonn Magee not exactly an amazing puncher Hatton has a good chin Basilio has a great chin Mayweather has never fought anyone as durable the only comparison in the department might be Baldomir.

Your contradicting yourself in the two above points first you're saying Basilio may not get knocked down then your saying he might get knocked down And Basilio was hardly a large middleweight so you can forget that argument he weighed 153lbs for the Robinson fight and 156lbs for Fullmer. I doubt a couple pounds will increase your durability that much. And when has Mayweather ever fought anyone that hits as hard as Fullmer? Don't just judge him by boxrec he had Robinson hurt on a few occasions he could hit. Your argument still holds no weight while I can agree that a Mayweather decision can happen although I favour Basilio, a couple of knockdowns is asking for a lot. Just because Basilio doesn't have the greatest defence and Mayweather is accurate does not mean Basilio will be floored how did a guy like Castillo survive when he fought Mayweather at Floyds more natural weight class?

[Stonehands89]

Hatton wasn't landing anything of note though and got tagged flush in every round. At most you can give Hatton 2 rounds. If it went the 12rounds hatton could have lost every round or at most won 2 rounds. Thats a domination
That's also subjective.

[sweet_scientist]

Mayweather might catch Basilio off balance and drop him, but he isn't going to be hurting him or stopping him often in his tracks, that is a given. Anyone that needs convincing simply needs to watch Basilio stand up under Sugar Ray Robinson's fusillade in the 11th round of their first fight. If Basilio can survive that onslaught, he has nothing to worry about from Floyd.

Those bringing up how Mayweather stopped Hatton should reconsider the merit of that achievement because the very average Luis Collazo nearly did the same thing. Hatton is not in Carmen's league in a p4p measure, to say nothing of comparing them at 147.

[Mantequilla]

The Collazo fight and mayweather bouts pretty much prove Hatton has a very suspect jaw at 147.

None of them are hard hitters at the weight.

[Dempsey1238]

Galivan didnt box circles around Carman. Thats a myth. Basilio won the fight imo.

It was a close fight, and relly neither had the upperhand though out most of the bout. The last round RELLY was the round to factor the winner since the scorecards had it a draw leaded into round 15.

[pugilistspecialist]

How many of the so called champions that Mayweather beat would have actually been champions in Billy Graham's era? Arguably none. And what's more, arguably Mayweather himself wouldn't have been a champion when you consider that he would have been vying for titles with the likes of Robinson, Gavilan, Basilio, Graham, Angott, Jack, Williams, Montgomery and Carter.

And as for never coming up short and excelling against his best competition, the two fights he arguably lost (DLH and Castillo) were actually against his best competiton. As far as I'm concerned, that could have been two losses for him and the W's next to his name mean no more than a SD loss on Graham's ledger.

Your old school biase is uncontrollable. Billy Graham never won a world title, did beat viable contenders and some world champions, but could never capitilize when the opportunity came. He was a great fighter, but Mayweather accomplished more. Has been lineal champ in 3 weight classes and 5 titles in 5 weight classes. Thats nothing to sneeze at, Graham was very good but he never accomplished what Mayweather did. Who was arguably the greatest junior-lightweight ever andis curretly ruling at Welterweight. We really cant say if they would be champions in Grahams era, just like its no gaurantee Jack, Angott, Williams and others would be champions in this one....its all opinion. Anyway there is no dispute Mayweather accompished more. Lets get real Mayweather won the ODLH fight by 3 or 4 rounds after Oscar stop using the jab taking shots to the body and getin countered. As far as Castillo it could have gone either way, Mayweather got the nod and rematched him and boxed Castillo's ears off, which no one ever brings up.

[Mantequilla]

Mayweather fought a safety-first fight and looked unimpressive in the rematch against Castillo.i had him winning by about 4 points.

Not exactly impressive stuff for me considering my relative disdain for Castillo.

Also while i think Mayweather is an excellent fighter his lineal accomplishments are a bit misleading.He really hasn't done a great deal against quality opposition since moving up from 130 where he was at his best.

He had a very short stay at 135 with only two fights against one good oponent being of any significance.

His Welterweight reign only really has Hatton, Judah and Baldomir.Hardly a murderers row.

[pugilistspecialist]

Mayweather fought a safety-first fight and looked unimpressive in the rematch against Castillo.i had him winning by about 4 points.

Not exactly impressive stuff for me considering my relative disdain for Castillo.

Also while i think Mayweather is an excellent fighter his lineal accomplishments are a bit misleading.He really hasn't done a great deal against quality opposition since moving up from 130 where he was at his best.

He had a very short stay at 135 with only two fights against one good oponent being of any significance.

His Welterweight reign only really has Hatton, Judah and Baldomir.Hardly a murderers row.

Your opinion or disdain for Castillo doesnt take away the fact he has been the best lightweight of the past 10 years. Holding Mayweather to two close fights, drawing and beating Steve Johnston, Cesar Bazan, Joel Casamayor,Diego Corrales,Juan Lazcano, Julio Diaz and Jorge Paez.

How could his lineal acomplishments be misleading when he beat fighters that were regarded as the champion. At lightweight Castillo was the man and also a great fighter, after 3 defenses(Castillo, Ndo, and Sosa) fighting 3 top ten contenders like Champions are supposed to do, he moved up for the big bucks for a shot at Tszyu or Gatti. At the time lightweight wasnt as stacked as it has been the last 2 years so the chance fr big fights were scarce.

As far as his lineal accmplishments at Welterweight he has done exactly what he was supposed to do....beat the recognized world champ, Baldomir whom he outclassed, beat the previous undisputed champ in Judah whom every gives PBF no credit for beating but started talking greatness for Cotto when he beat Judah who was coming off of 2 losses and a NC....GO FIGURE...As for Hatton a huge fight fightiing a world champion who was undefeated and considered at top ten p4p fighter. It may not be a murderers row but it is more than any other welterweight today has done and thats why he is the champion.

[sweet_scientist]

Your old school biase is uncontrollable. Billy Graham never won a world title, did beat viable contenders and some world champions, but could never capitilize when the opportunity came. He was a great fighter, but Mayweather accomplished more. Has been lineal champ in 3 weight classes and 5 titles in 5 weight classes. Thats nothing to sneeze at, Graham was very good but he never accomplished what Mayweather did. Who was arguably the greatest junior-lightweight ever andis curretly ruling at Welterweight. We really cant say if they would be champions in Grahams era, just like its no gaurantee Jack, Angott, Williams and others would be champions in this one....its all opinion. Anyway there is no dispute Mayweather accompished more. Lets get real Mayweather won the ODLH fight by 3 or 4 rounds after Oscar stop using the jab taking shots to the body and getin countered. As far as Castillo it could have gone either way, Mayweather got the nod and rematched him and boxed Castillo's ears off, which no one ever brings up.

It's all about level of competition. Just look at who Floyd Myaweather has beaten to win all the titles he has. You think Graham wouldn't beat all those guys? Of course he would. He may have the odd loss (as Floyd himself should) but he would hold titles for sure.

Graham fought in a much tougher era and to me there is no question that if Floyd was thrown into those times, he would struggle and he may not even have won a world title.

As for Mayweather boxing Castillo's ears off in the rematch, Floyd ran like a bitch all night and absolutely stunk the joint out. He won by 2 -4 points, but it was far from a dominant display.

[DFW]

I don't know who would win this one. But I doubt Mayweather can knock Basilio down. The only time Carmen was ever off his feet was in his last fight against Paul Pender in 1961. By that point in time Carmen was past his prime. And even then he gave Pender a good scrap with just his right hand as he hurt his left shoulder in the second round. His left hook was his best weapon. A prime Basilio would have beat Pender rather handily. He might just have put the hurt on Mayweather as well.