"You have no evidence that Khan has a china chin..."

[Amsterdam]

:rofl

Well, now you DO!

Dropped and stunned by a light hitting domestic fighter, whom is a division up from his natural division. How's this kid going to take the shots of real World Class fighters?

For everyone who doubts the Zakman-Amsterdam scientific process of checking chins... here's to you!:p

"But... But... There's no evidence that he has a china chin.... you're just making outlandish claims as a hater"

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

All of this hype for what? A china chinned joke with some flashy speed.. wow. The only reason that I am not celebrating in full is that he wasn't finished off by Limond, but if Limond hit even a slight lick harder, it would have been OVER for this joker train.

It's likely that the better domestics remove him before he even breaks out into true World Rankings, what a fucking joke.:yep

By the way, let's give Willie some credit, he trained hard to the best of his abilities and officially exposed this fraud, GOOD ON YOU WILLIE!:D

[unitas]

:rofl

Well, now you DO!

Dropped and stunned by a light hitting domestic fighter, whom is a division up from his natural division. How's this kid going to take the shots of real World Class fighters?

For everyone who doubts the Zakman-Amsterdam scientific process of checking chins... here's to you!:p

"But... But... There's no evidence that he has a china chin.... you're just making outlandish claims as a hater"

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

All of this hype for what? A china chinned joke with some flashy speed.. wow. The only reason that I am not celebrating in full is that he wasn't finished off by Limond, but if Limond hit even a slight lick harder, it would have been OVER for this joker train.

It's likely that the better domestics remove him before he even breaks out into true World Rankings, what a fucking joke.:yep

By the way, let's give Willie some credit, he trained hard to the best of his abilities and officially exposed this fraud, GOOD ON YOU WILLIE!:D

i never doubted his grade a china for a minute:happy :happy :happy

[Vantage_West]

im sure he has a weak chin but he showed his metel good performance

a weak chin can be avoided if you have a good defence which amir hasnt mastered yet. hearns,wlad,louis,patterson all had a shaky chins just got along and came back if he knows he has a weak chin then he will learn to use the defence...good on him hope he fucking wakes up.

[Sonny's jab]

Amir fought well tonight and proved he has heart and grit BUT he also proved he has a 100% china chin.

Frank ****** wont put him within sniffing distance of any good fighter or any fighter with a good punch for about his next 20 fights !

Willie Limond is a good fighter but basically certified feather-fisted. There's no getting away from that.

[SevenSamurai]

I have been with Amsterdam since the beginning on khans china secret.

We have now seen that Khan has now has no future as a world champion boxer. He leaves his chin in the air and when he gets caught his lights go out.

He was lucky tonight his opponent was someone who has 8 kos from 28 wins and has fought once in the previous 18 months otherwise he would have been done for.

There are many opponents out there though to put his lights out for good and ****** can not keep avoiding them forever or othrwise the public will lose interest in his damaged gravy train. His arrogance and illiterate public speaking are not his only downfall.

[Amsterdam]

Amir fought well tonight and proved he has heart and grit BUT he also proved he has a 100% china chin.

Frank ****** wont put him within sniffing distance of any good fighter or any fighter with a good punch for about his next 20 fights !

Willie Limond is a good fighter but basically certified feather-fisted. There's no getting away from that.

This is the main factor, if he was put down and jumped up and finished off Romanov(a moderate hitter), then I'd be the one who'd be eating crow right now...

However... who called this china chin out and stuck to it, knowing that he'd be eating massive crow if he ended up being able to take a shot?:hey

Wasn't concerned about making an ass of myself, because the Zakman-Amsterdam scientific method is FLAWLESS. We never miss a bad chin, never will.

Add another one to the list, a list with ZERO incorrect predictions.:lol:

[Decebal]

I doubted you Amsterdam...wasn't sure about Amir's chin, but you were right.
The Zakman - Amsterdam Chin-Checker Supreme should be patented! Khan has a china chin. On top he has poor defense (he is yet young...). He'll never make the big time despite his great heart and mettle, unless he develops a supertight defense. Nice one, Amsterdam!

[Nemesis]

:rofl

Well, now you DO!

Dropped and stunned by a light hitting domestic fighter, whom is a division up from his natural division. How's this kid going to take the shots of real World Class fighters?

For everyone who doubts the Zakman-Amsterdam scientific process of checking chins... here's to you!:p

"But... But... There's no evidence that he has a china chin.... you're just making outlandish claims as a hater"

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

All of this hype for what? A china chinned joke with some flashy speed.. wow. The only reason that I am not celebrating in full is that he wasn't finished off by Limond, but if Limond hit even a slight lick harder, it would have been OVER for this joker train.

It's likely that the better domestics remove him before he even breaks out into true World Rankings, what a fucking joke.:yep

By the way, let's give Willie some credit, he trained hard to the best of his abilities and officially exposed this fraud, GOOD ON YOU WILLIE!:D
With all due respect, I find you utterly pathetic, I bet you got a hard on when that punch landed.

Yes, Khan's chin is questionable,
yes, he got knocked down by a light punching domestic fighter...
BUT, he got up and turned the fight in the next round, that he deserves credit for.


Why do you gain so much pleasure from a fighter getting knocked down, I just dont understand that mentality at all

[Amsterdam]

Yes I was in agreement with you amsterdam I just said there was no need to keep going on about. It will be no chance no punchers from now on again. know what I mean?.

but you know what the amir fans will say ' it wasnt a knockdown he was pushed'.:yep

I kept going on about it because they kept giving me material, when I'd stop, they'd bring up threads supporting this china chinned joke, so I'd retaliate in full.

Either way, we win Emma, and while you jumped ship, you were a founding member of the anti-Khan train.

Full speed ahead!:happy

[Amsterdam]

With all due respect, I find you utterly pathetic, I bet you got a hard on when that punch landed.

Yes, Khan's chin is questionable,
yes, he got knocked down by a light punching domestic fighter...
BUT, he got up and turned the fight in the next round, that he deserves credit for.


Why do you gain so much pleasure from a fighter getting knocked down, I just dont understand that mentality at all

Typical response from the type that argued that he didn't have a china chin.

And by the way, it's not wishing to see a fighter hurt, it's wishing to see a BAD HYPE JOB exposed and removed, therefore that's +1 to true fighters of the greatest sport in the World.

Khan is a stain for boxing, it's pure Capitalist exploitation at it's finest. Now it's fully exposed and will soon be fully removed, with all of the exploiters and apologists feeling mighty STUPID.

I almost want to get up and dance mate, but it wasn't a 100% victory, just a nice smack in the face for the insano Khan hype express.:good

[skunk]

showed great heart! the knocked down just made him fight harder! some fighters wouldnt even attempt to come back from that!

[Badman B]

o no, Jono thaxton will be like the executioner if khan goes by what he said he do, get the british and euro titles on route to his world title......that wont happen.

[Zakman]

Exactly. If this isn't evidence enough for the doubters, I don't know what is!!!

[skunk]

Whats wid all this excitment he got knocked down???

[China_hand_Joe]

Whats wid all this excitment he got knocked down???He also has zero head movement.

[victorhugo4222]

please please please please stick khan in with earl or thaxton so we can all end this damn hype over khan once and for all!!!

[brown bomber]

Noooooooooooooo! Khan hit the deck and all i could think about was Amsterdam in his little snow hut, sitting next to the fire in switzerland laughing evily to himself like some james bond type bad guy.....

I have to give it to you- once again I was wrong there is definately issues there. It wasn't even a really good performance by Khan in world terms - imagine he'd have been in with the guy who took Johannson apart last night.

Khan you let me down!

Amsterdam I bow my head in shame.

[Amsterdam]

Noooooooooooooo! Khan hit the deck and all i could think about was Amsterdam in his little snow hut, sitting next to the fire in switzerland laughing evily to himself like some james bond type bad guy.....

I have to give it to you- once again I was wrong there is definately issues there. It wasn't even a really good performance by Khan in world terms - imagine he'd have been in with the guy who took Johannson apart last night.

Khan you let me down!

Amsterdam I bow my head in shame.

Hey Jeff, it ain't no big deal, I'm not really THAT intense about this.

This stuff is just all fun and games to me and I get a great laugh out of it, but thanks for the kudo's mate!:good

But I'll answer what would have happened if he had been in there with that guy who blasted Johan... he'd have had his Grade A China chin CRACKED, SMASHED & REMOVED.

:boogie :boogie :boogie :boogie :boogie :boogie

[brown bomber]

Hey Jeff, it ain't no big deal, I'm not really THAT intense about this.

This stuff is just all fun and games to me and I get a great laugh out of it, but thanks for the kudo's mate!:good

But I'll answer what would have happened if he had been in there with that guy who blasted Johan... he'd have had his Grade A China chin CRACKED, SMASHED & REMOVED.

:boogie :boogie :boogie :boogie :boogie :boogie:scaredas:

[Top Dog]

With all due respect, I find you utterly pathetic, I bet you got a hard on when that punch landed.

Yes, Khan's chin is questionable,
yes, he got knocked down by a light punching domestic fighter...
BUT, he got up and turned the fight in the next round, that he deserves credit for.


Why do you gain so much pleasure from a fighter getting knocked down, I just dont understand that mentality at all

He's saying that cause like a good amount of guys, are fed of the hype machine. If Wullie could have put another couple of clean shots on, it would have been over, man, even if he had pressured him on the ropes he would have done it.:thumbsup

[stake501]

ARISE Sir Amsterdam..........

Khan chin is grade B China i think (not quite Grade A as he got up)

What I have to say is, that it was an exciting fight

He must be a decent puncher to brake Limonds jaw, and I will enjoy seeing him get exposed. I still think he takes Earl....but Thaxton is tough NOW.

[achillesthegreat]

What happened was not china chinned. Yes he didn't look like he had a great chin but it was still 5 huge shots. Someone with a china chin gets put out for 10. What you also found out is he has survival skills, heart and the mental fortitude to turn things around in one round.

Amsterdam and Zakman are a disgrace to the sport. Both of you would be put clean out by the shots landed on guys like Harrison and Khan. Khan wasn't born with a legendary chin. In this case it is all about heart making up for it and he sure as hell showed that.

Amster you should be saying 'I'm a cock, Khan proves his heart'.

[Decebal]

I AM with you on this achillesthegreat. Khan should be praised for his heart and winning mentality. But we should all be glad, for the sake of the sport, that he has been brought down a peg or five, and made to look like a bit of a cock, given all his mouthing off before the fight. Unfortunately for Khan, instead of being more modest after the fight, he carried on in the same vein. Let's hope that in the clear light of day, he will come to his senses. I want the old Khan back.

[Strike]

There was already evidence from the Craig Watson fight, I pointed that out numerous times. I like Khan and he is far more gifted than Amsterdam gives him credit for, but a chin that weak is going to undo you at any top level unless you defence is SUPREME.

Thaxton stops him, I am very very confident of that.

[Beatboxer]

:rofl

Well, now you DO!

Dropped and stunned by a light hitting domestic fighter, whom is a division up from his natural division. How's this kid going to take the shots of real World Class fighters?

For everyone who doubts the Zakman-Amsterdam scientific process of checking chins... here's to you!:p

"But... But... There's no evidence that he has a china chin.... you're just making outlandish claims as a hater"

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

All of this hype for what? A china chinned joke with some flashy speed.. wow. The only reason that I am not celebrating in full is that he wasn't finished off by Limond, but if Limond hit even a slight lick harder, it would have been OVER for this joker train.

It's likely that the better domestics remove him before he even breaks out into true World Rankings, what a fucking joke.:yep

By the way, let's give Willie some credit, he trained hard to the best of his abilities and officially exposed this fraud, GOOD ON YOU WILLIE!:D

I am a fellow Khan hater and i agreed with you from the start on this one

Never been impressed by Khan and if he wasn't handled by ****** i expect we would see him cut down to size within the next year or two

unfortunatly he is and he won't fight a live body now for about 3 years more than likely after this scare !

[dwilson]

If your a great fighter or potentially great fighter you should not get taken down by Willie Limond, fair play to the scot on a gutsy performance with skill.

Khan did well in over coming him but should stay clear of decent opposition unless he learns defense and how not to leave your chin out.


Graham Earl should bite ******s hand off if offred a fight against the boy blunder.

[Steve Fox]

Amsterdam - are you even a fan of boxing? Khan gives us entertainment like he did last night and all you can say is 'see I told you his chin was china'. Just about everybody was questioning his punch resistance, I've always criticised his lack of head movement, but to claim some sort of victory is yours because he was knocked down and in trouble is laughable. As a boxing fan the first thing that I feel the need to address is the fact that these two fighters delivered some great action.

[Top Dog]

Of course Amsterdam is a fan of boxing, just cause he wants Khan to get smoked dont mean otherwise. I'l just the same as Amsterdam, I've said from the very start that Khan is over-hyped, and I'm just waiting my time till the big K.O. Yeah, cool:hey
Never liked Khan attitude, he was humbled big time, I bet you ****** shat a brick last night, you could see him panicing like feck at the side of the ring, pure quality:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Steve Fox]

Of course Amsterdam is a fan of boxing, just cause he wants Khan to get smoked dont mean otherwise. I'l just the same as Amsterdam, I've said from the very start that Khan is over-hyped, and I'm just waiting my time till the big K.O. Yeah, cool:hey
Never liked Khan attitude, he was humbled big time, I bet you ****** shat a brick last night, you could see him panicing like feck at the side of the ring, pure quality:lol: :lol: :lol:I've always said Khan was overrated and that his head is too still and that I thought his chin was suspect, but he gave us some great entertainment. Awaiting someone elses downfall just because they're over hyped is ridiculous. He is only 20 and he is the Commonwealth champion, despite his chin.

[Max Molyneux]

Exactly. If this isn't evidence enough for the doubters, I don't know what is!!!

While your right about Audley and Khan you overuse the chin logic when It comes to fighters like Lewis.

Judah didn't have the best chin and he was a two weight champ.:yep

[alpo1]

To be fair the knockdown was awkward. His foot got tangled in the rope after he was backing off after the first punch, then he stumbled forward and got hit with 3 clean shots.

He showed heart keeping limond at bay after the knockdown. Duke Mckenzie did his usual 'he's gone' routine :lol:

[Amsterdam]

While your right about Audley and Khan you overuse the chin logic when It comes to fighters like Lewis.

Judah didn't have the best chin and he was a two weight champ.:yep

You can't compare a World Class level "shaky" chin of Judah, to a sickening "china chin" level of Amir Khan.

[Boro chris]

I did allow myself a chuckle at Khan's mother praying after he went down. he had a lucky escape there.

I'm all for seeing an over hyped cocky brat being taught a valuable lesson or two in the ring but coments like that are a little harsh:lol:

I'm allways uncomfortable when a fighters mum/wife or kid is at ringside. What the fuck are they thinking?
Watching Gattis wife have an hystrerical panic attack when her husband nearly got beaten to death by Gomez last night is a case in point. Its no place for some family members and uptill now The Kahn family have treated his fights as a picnic treat.

[Boro chris]

To be fair the knockdown was awkward. His foot got tangled in the rope after he was backing off after the first punch, then he stumbled forward and got hit with 3 clean shots.

He showed heart keeping limond at bay after the knockdown. Duke Mckenzie did his usual 'he's gone' routine :lol:

Duke also gave the memerable "both these guys are good at giving HEAD................and body shots"!!!:rofl

[Amsterdam]

What happened was not china chinned. Yes he didn't look like he had a great chin but it was still 5 huge shots. Someone with a china chin gets put out for 10. What you also found out is he has survival skills, heart and the mental fortitude to turn things around in one round.

Sorry, but what happened was an example of a china chin, Limond is by no means a potent puncher and he nearly had Khan removed from the spectrum for good. If it was Romanov then I wouldn't be here saying the same things, because Romanov is actually a decent hitter, Limond is however feather fisted...

This is like if Fraudley Harrison got nearly KTFO by Taurus Sykes, that'd be even worse than the average punching journeyman in Sprott laying him out cold.

Amsterdam and Zakman are a disgrace to the sport.

I disagree that two objective, long time fans, whom give major credit to real fighters and both support actions that would strengthen the sport are a disgrace to the sport.

I'd argue that RIDICULOUS hype jobs, which are novelty sells to the average idiot are a disgrace to true fighters, therefore a disgrace to the overall sport.


Both of you would be put clean out by the shots landed on guys like Harrison and Khan. Khan wasn't born with a legendary chin. In this case it is all about heart making up for it and he sure as hell showed that.


Fair, he showed heart. But he doesn't even have the chin to take hard hitting domestic blows, much less World Class blows, after all of this build up and hype, he's going to accomplish nothing and his legacy will be remembered as the kid who won the silver medal at 17 and whom turned out to be a joke and a professional hype job.

... And I'm sorry, but Limond absolutley could not lay me out flat with some combinations landed, Sprott would obviously because I'm 12 st.

They're professional boxers, as a fan, I'm going to rate them as athletes, not next to normal guys... get a grip.


Amster you should be saying 'I'm a cock, Khan proves his heart'.


Amsterdam is saying it like it is. You're just mad that you're little china chinned joke was exposed in full, won't accomplish shit and it therefore makes British boxing look bad as a result. No need to get testy Achilles, if the boxing fanbase GLOBALLY would wisen up, we'd have LESS hype jobs and that's BETTER for the sport.

[Amsterdam]

I'm all for seeing an over hyped cocky brat being taught a valuable lesson or two in the ring but coments like that are a little harsh:lol:

I'm allways uncomfortable when a fighters mum/wife or kid is at ringside. What the fuck are they thinking?
Watching Gattis wife have an hystrerical panic attack when her husband nearly got beaten to death by Gomez last night is a case in point. Its no place for some family members and uptill now The Kahn family have treated his fights as a picnic treat.

Watching Gatti get beaten up by Gomez was heart wrenching for me, I could barely get through it and I was screaming at the TV for the ref to stop it about round 5-6, especially knowing the guys history and how dangerous it is for him to be in the ring.

But for some little pampered twat to get KD'd finally?:lol:

I don't want physical harm on the kid, but that's a NORMAL thing in a tough fight, the Khan family are just going to have to realise that the sport is called "boxing", not "Amir Khan's domain where he can execute bums for the rest of his career".

...Then they're going to have to realise that his time is limited as a spotlight fighter. Oh no...

:lol:

[alpo1]

I'm all for seeing an over hyped cocky brat being taught a valuable lesson or two in the ring but coments like that are a little harsh:lol:

I'm allways uncomfortable when a fighters mum/wife or kid is at ringside. What the fuck are they thinking?
Watching Gattis wife have an hystrerical panic attack when her husband nearly got beaten to death by Gomez last night is a case in point. Its no place for some family members and uptill now The Kahn family have treated his fights as a picnic treat.

I agree. I'm a ****stani boy myself and know how emotional our mums can get.

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Of course Amsterdam is a fan of boxing, just cause he wants Khan to get smoked dont mean otherwise. I'l just the same as Amsterdam, I've said from the very start that Khan is over-hyped, and I'm just waiting my time till the big K.O. Yeah, cool:hey
Never liked Khan attitude, he was humbled big time, I bet you ****** shat a brick last night, you could see him panicing like feck at the side of the ring, pure quality:lol: :lol: :lol:

Top Dog I agree Khan was exposed big time yesterday. Can you imagine what would have happened had he been in with a bigger puncher than Limond. At the time most fighters like Anderson, Nuumbembee, Action Jackson Asiku and Ajose Olusegun win Commonwealth titles the L-plates are off but Khan looks like an accident waiting to happen.

I have also noticed they have put him in with lots of smaller men/junior Lightweights and clearly don't want him in with Junior Welterweights. When you look at Khan it is clear that he should be fighting at Junior Welterweight however imagine what David Barnes, Barry Morrison,Colin Lynes, Gary Reid, Young Muttley, Ted Bami and co would do to him.

In fact I am not convinced he can take John Thaxton at Lightweight. Alex Arthur would definitely defeat him.

[Amsterdam]

Top Dog I agree Khan was exposed big time yesterday. Can you imagine what would have happened had he been in with a bigger puncher than Limond. At the time most fighters like Anderson, Nuumbembee, Action Jackson Asiku and Ajose Olusegun win Commonwealth titles the L-plates are off but Khan looks like an accident waiting to happen.

I have also noticed they have put him in with lots of smaller men/junior Lightweights and clearly don't want him in with Junior Welterweights. When you look at Khan it is clear that he should be fighting at Junior Welterweight however imagine what David Barnes, Barry Morrison,Colin Lynes, Gary Reid, Young Muttley, Ted Bami and co would do to him.

In fact I am not convinced he can take John Thaxton at Lightweight. Alex Arthur would definitely defeat him.

Yes, they'd all smoke his ass. If Limond almost did it, I see no reason why the rest can't do it and the bigger ones would definitley do it.

Point in case, after all of this insane hype, he isn't shit. Nice try exploiters.

[Max Molyneux]

You can't compare a World Class level "shaky" chin of Judah, to a sickening "china chin" level of Amir Khan.
My point was that fighters with bad chins have gone on to world level still.

Khan would have to prove he can though.

Zakman said once that Williams was probably going to lose to Gammer just because he lost to china chinned Audley. Zak's logic Is weird sometimes.

[ron u.k.]

:rofl

Well, now you DO!

Dropped and stunned by a light hitting domestic fighter, whom is a division up from his natural division. How's this kid going to take the shots of real World Class fighters?

For everyone who doubts the Zakman-Amsterdam scientific process of checking chins... here's to you!:p

"But... But... There's no evidence that he has a china chin.... you're just making outlandish claims as a hater"

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

All of this hype for what? A china chinned joke with some flashy speed.. wow. The only reason that I am not celebrating in full is that he wasn't finished off by Limond, but if Limond hit even a slight lick harder, it would have been OVER for this joker train.

It's likely that the better domestics remove him before he even breaks out into true World Rankings, what a fucking joke.:yep

By the way, let's give Willie some credit, he trained hard to the best of his abilities and officially exposed this fraud, GOOD ON YOU WILLIE!:Dso you diss khan as a fraud,but praise willie for getting stopped by a fraud.:think

[ferd cloupes]

so you diss khan as a fraud,but praise willie for getting stopped by a fraud.:think


that's pretty much what i'm getting from all of this congratulatory dick sucking..
"well done wulliie, you were beaten by a china chinned fraud. you did us proud"

[achillesthegreat]

Sorry, but what happened was an example of a china chin, Limond is by no means a potent puncher and he nearly had Khan removed from the spectrum for good. If it was Romanov then I wouldn't be here saying the same things, because Romanov is actually a decent hitter, Limond is however feather fisted...
Limond has got some pop, plus he landed 5 major shots. Light punchers have put down greats like Robinson and Leonard. Your estimation of a china chin is grossly inaccurate. Plus, why do people hate on chin? It is something you are born with. It is true you can tweak it but Khan is working on those things every day i.e. defence, conditioning, mental fortitude etc

I disagree that two objective, long time fans, whom give major credit to real fighters and both support actions that would strengthen the sport are a disgrace to the sport.
Objective? Are you having a bubble? No fan who chooses to take a shot in the dark on a fighters chin is of any use to the sport. You guys hate on things you don't know about. You take guesses rather than let a man prove it in the ring. Truth is you should be punching yourself for being so rude to a pugilist who showed such heart. You don't respect combat when you come up with the manure that you do.

I'd argue that RIDICULOUS hype jobs, which are novelty sells to the average idiot are a disgrace to true fighters, therefore a disgrace to the overall sport.
Well it would be stupid to argue that. Especially when the person in question is a silver medalist, broke through at 17 and beat the best P4P amateur in the world. Not much more you can do to set yourself a foundation in the pros.

Fair, he showed heart. But he doesn't even have the chin to take hard hitting domestic blows, much less World Class blows, after all of this build up and hype, he's going to accomplish nothing and his legacy will be remembered as the kid who won the silver medal at 17 and whom turned out to be a joke and a professional hype job.
You say this but fact remains he is the commonwealth champion and at the very least he could establish an impressive domestic record. I think that is something to be proud about. You wouldn't because it appears you think everyone should be a legend.

Khan is still growing. Defence and conditioning is improving. Don't be suprised if a move up in weight helps him.

Most said Ali couldn't take Listons blows, especially after Banks and Cooper dropped him and Jones stunned him.

... And I'm sorry, but Limond absolutley could not lay me out flat with some combinations landed, Sprott would obviously because I'm 12 st.
...and this is why you will remain delusional. If Limond landed those 5 punches on your head, I'd bet my house you'd be out.

They're professional boxers, as a fan, I'm going to rate them as athletes, not next to normal guys... get a grip.
Exactly, they are combatants but you don't respect this. If you keep it in context of the sport then you will realise Khan hasn't got a china chin. Plus you wouldn't take a shot in the dark before even seeing his chin tested.

Amsterdam is saying it like it is. You're just mad that you're little china chinned joke was exposed in full, won't accomplish shit and it therefore makes British boxing look bad as a result. No need to get testy Achilles, if the boxing fanbase GLOBALLY would wisen up, we'd have LESS hype jobs and that's BETTER for the sport.
How can you be telling it like it is when you simply GUESSED his chin would be bad. You think he got exposed in full when he got up and knocked Limond out. How can he not accomplish shit and is bad for British boxing when he always gives us a good fight and is now the Commonwealth champ? Surely you can see you don't know what you are on about?

Hype jobs are guys like Matt Vanda who are 30-0 and don't have talent or skill. Khan is a sensational amateur taking a shot in the pros. By claiming the Commonwealth title he has already proved he isn't a hype job. Yes, he and everyone else talk about world titles and all that but he is in the game to be the best. It would be bad for boxing if he didn't set his eyes on the prize.

[Amsterdam]

Limond has got some pop

Don't be ridiculous.

plus he landed 5 major shots

If you consider 5 powder puff shots from a powder puff domestic hitter to be "major", why am I even debating you on this?:lol:

But anyway, let's continue:





. Light punchers have put down greats like Robinson and Leonard. Your estimation of a china chin is grossly inaccurate. Plus, why do people hate on chin? It is something you are born with. It is true you can tweak it but Khan is working on those things every day i.e. defence, conditioning, mental fortitude etc


I don't hate on guys for having a bad chin alone, some of my all time favourites didn't have the best chin. I hate on HYPE JOBS who are poison for the sport due to fraudulent exploitation. The chin is Khan's biggest problem as a fraudulent hype job, therefore it's the factor that I harp on the most, but if you will notice with your rosey coloured glasses, I harp on plenty of factors surrounding this joke.

Leonard and Robinson had great chins, they were never nearly taken out by some feather fisted journeyman, there is no need to dig deep to THAT level mate, christ.


Objective? Are you having a bubble? No fan who chooses to take a shot in the dark on a fighters chin is of any use to the sport. You guys hate on things you don't know about. You take guesses rather than let a man prove it in the ring. Truth is you should be punching yourself for being so rude to a pugilist who showed such heart. You don't respect combat when you come up with the manure that you do.


It's not just a guess, it's actually a very well thought process of elimination and since Zakman and I have yet to fail in spotting a bad chin(which in effect lead to all the fighters we called it on NOT HAVING THE SUCCESS that they were projected), what does that say for "the guess".

Furthermore, you are still denying that his chin is made out of grade A china, yet you are here calling me delusional. You wouldn't give two shits about this kid if he were not a British fighter also and shoved down your throat constantly, you'd be brushing him off like any other for being dropped and nearly removed by a feather fisted journeyman.


Well it would be stupid to argue that. Especially when the person in question is a silver medalist, broke through at 17 and beat the best P4P amateur in the world. Not much more you can do to set yourself a foundation in the pros.


The olympics aren't what it was in the glory days, these days it's a "hit or miss" with olympic champs, Khan's definitley a "miss".

But the fact that he was a kid is a great "novelty sell" to the average fucking moron who eats up hollywood-esque success stories due to their own lives being piss.

It's never fooled me however. How you are impressed by this little cunt to the point of defending him to this degree is beyond me.


You say this but fact remains he is the commonwealth champion and at the very least he could establish an impressive domestic record. I think that is something to be proud about. You wouldn't because it appears you think everyone should be a legend.


No, I don't. You're spinning facts in thinking that I only respect top P4P fighters, when I give praise to tough warriors and tough low level fighters who come in to do their job.

I despise hype jobs, I honour any valiant fighter of any level.


Khan is still growing. Defence and conditioning is improving. Don't be suprised if a move up in weight helps him.


I hope he moves up, bigger hitters, more of a chance of him getting brutally starched like Fraudley and this joke trip gets sealed finished finally.

Most said Ali couldn't take Listons blows, especially after Banks and Cooper dropped him and Jones stunned him.

Difference is that Cooper could actually hit pretty decent, not great, but pretty decent, he was by no means feather fisted and Ali took a perfect shot and got up well.

Ali proved time and time again that this was a fluke occurance. However, Khan won't do so, because all of the evidence stacks up to the Limond KD and most people agree...

Wake up.



...and this is why you will remain delusional. If Limond landed those 5 punches on your head, I'd bet my house you'd be out.


Wrong Achilles, a small feather fisted 135 pounder landing 5 shots is not going to take me out, I know my own chin and I've taken harder blows than Limond could ever produce, which includes kicks to the head in Muay Thai training.

Not every professional fighter automatically can KO a non-professional fighter with a simple combination, Limond is a very small man and I am a rather large 12 st. man. Again, why is there a need to compare a professional athlete to a civilian, when as a fan of boxing, I am going to GRADE them at their craft, just like I'd GRADE a musician, actor or any other type of entertainment figure...

Even though they are OBVIOUSLY far more skilled at their craft then the average person.



Exactly, they are combatants but you don't respect this. If you keep it in context of the sport then you will realise Khan hasn't got a china chin. Plus you wouldn't take a shot in the dark before even seeing his chin tested.

I can formulate a well thought out hypothesis and snuff out a bad chin every damn time, it's far more than a shot in the dark, considering that everytime I project it, it comes true.

Khan has a china chin, you're making a fool out of yourself for saying otherwise.

But don't worry, I know why you are, and I don't disrespect you at all for it, but you are looking silly for arguing that Khan hasn't got a china chin.

I guess he'll have to get starched officially by some mediocre puncher for you to submit that Khan can't take a shot.



How can you be telling it like it is when you simply GUESSED his chin would be bad. You think he got exposed in full when he got up and knocked Limond out. How can he not accomplish shit and is bad for British boxing when he always gives us a good fight and is now the Commonwealth champ? Surely you can see you don't know what you are on about?


I know exactly what I am on about, you're just going off on any direction you can because you know deep down that I am 100% correct.

You don't like my material on this subject, fair, and you are putting up a well thought out defence, despite it being impossible to defend, so I suppose credit for that.


Hype jobs are guys like Matt Vanda who are 30-0 and don't have talent or skill. Khan is a sensational amateur taking a shot in the pros. By claiming the Commonwealth title he has already proved he isn't a hype job. Yes, he and everyone else talk about world titles and all that but he is in the game to be the best. It would be bad for boxing if he didn't set his eyes on the prize.


Vanda was never projected to be the saviour of anything and a garaunteed ATG level phenom.

The Commonwealth title means absolute shit to what Khan's hype train suggests that he will accomplish, because all in all, the common wealth title holds about as much value as the European title, which mostly journeymen/fringe contenders at the World scene contend for.

It's sad that you're convinced, because normally you're on target.

Please open your eyes.:deal :deal

[Top Dog]

Top Dog I agree Khan was exposed big time yesterday. Can you imagine what would have happened had he been in with a bigger puncher than Limond. At the time most fighters like Anderson, Nuumbembee, Action Jackson Asiku and Ajose Olusegun win Commonwealth titles the L-plates are off but Khan looks like an accident waiting to happen.

I have also noticed they have put him in with lots of smaller men/junior Lightweights and clearly don't want him in with Junior Welterweights. When you look at Khan it is clear that he should be fighting at Junior Welterweight however imagine what David Barnes, Barry Morrison,Colin Lynes, Gary Reid, Young Muttley, Ted Bami and co would do to him.

In fact I am not convinced he can take John Thaxton at Lightweight. Alex Arthur would definitely defeat him.

Olu, totally agree with you, a lot of the british guys would hammer Khan, he's a total hype job. I have it in my head now, Khan takes on someone like Thaxton and gets smoked, he blames it on weight problems so he moves up a weight, he then runs into Ajose and gets smoked in a couple of rounds:good Man, I would piss myself laughing:D :D When is Ajose back on??

[achillesthegreat]

Limond has got some pop. Yeah he's only stopped like 33% of his opponents but if you include the guys he dropped and hurt then it increases. Include the fact he boxes and doesn't look for the ko, where as in this fight he was looking to make a fight. Plus it was five big shots and you would be a moron to disagree.

Khan is not a hype job. This cannot be substantiated. You list his chin as his major flaw before even knowing he had a bad chin. It was just one of your pathetic assumptions.

Limond is a journeyman :patsch

Robinson was dropped by Mitsos Grispos who had 0 kos in 31 fights, plus a record of 1-14-3 going into the bout. In their second meeting Jake LaMotta put him through the ropes and it is said 'Robinson was knocked down through the ropes in the eighth, being saved by the bell at the count of nine'. That wasn't the only time LaMotta knocked him down and LaMotta had 30kos in 106 bouts. I'm sure if Amsterdam was around in those days he'd call the great Robinson chinny with his undefeated amateur record worthless.

You what? 'process of elimination'? pull the other one. It's called 'the process of being a cock'. Zak hates Harrison and you hate Khan, thus you said everything bad that you could about them. Eventually something is going to come true.

You consider Khan the worst kind of chin, this is bollocks.

Khan was just 17, showing power in an era of big gloves and headgear plus in terms of skill the Os are still rocking. Kindelan isn't just one of the best today, he is one of the best ever. His amateur pedigree speaks for itself.

You clearly don't give credit otherwise you'd start a thread saying 'Khans chin isn't legendary but I'm a complete cock because he fought like a warrior'. You are a disgrace to the game. Period.

Ali pre Liston showed nothing to suggest he'd take Sonnys shots or go on to take Foremans or Shavers BUT HE DID! Like I said, pre Liston no one knew but they hated. Khans chin may be awful, it may be ok, it may be great. Just let him be.

Wrong Achilles, a small feather fisted 135 pounder landing 5 shots is not going to take me out, I know my own chin and I've taken harder blows than Limond could ever produce, which includes kicks to the head in Muay Thai training.

Not every professional fighter automatically can KO a non-professional fighter with a simple combination, Limond is a very small man and I am a rather large 12 st. man. Again, why is there a need to compare a professional athlete to a civilian, when as a fan of boxing, I am going to GRADE them at their craft, just like I'd GRADE a musician, actor or any other type of entertainment figure...

Even though they are OBVIOUSLY far more skilled at their craft then the average person.
If this is the sort of delusional stuff you want to tell yourself then fine but I promise you in the 6th round Limond landing those shots put you OUT. The odds are on my side. I am saying all this because you obviously have no respect for combatants.

I can formulate a well thought out hypothesis and snuff out a bad chin every damn time, it's far more than a shot in the dark, considering that everytime I project it, it comes true.
More delusional bullshit. You've GUESSED one man. I can remember when you said Judah would be starched early by Cotto. Proved you wrong there on the chin and his level of toughness, huh!

Vanda is the definition of a hype job. Journeyman who get sparked brutally for ten seconds is the definition of someone with no chin. You don't know what you are on about.

You hate Khan, took a wild guess he was chinny, he gets put down and you get hard on. This is boxing, the large majority of guys will turn out to not have some amazing chin, thus saying so and so is chinny isn't something legendary, the odds are on your side.

I've never claim Khan had some amazing chin. In fact I've always said I've worried about him in the pros because he doesn't look like 'a man' in that he can stand his ground, take shots, fight on the inside etc That is why I said he needs to be moved slowly so he can mature and gain experience. It is also me who said ****** is avoiding punchers. You see I have reasons and evidence for what I say.

The root of my predicitions, thoughts, statements etc is not hate! I cannot say the same for some. You are now trying to sell yourself off as a prophet. It is laughable. Get some respect for combatants and make comments when you have some proof. If you were now saying Khans chin looks weak, that would be ok BUT you have been a cock about Khan since day one.

So I maintain that you are a disgrace to the sport!

[Amsterdam]

I have no respect to combatants?:lol:

Because I don't respect china chinned Khan?

How do you know that I would be taken down by Limond, a man half my size from a singular combination when you know little about my physicality, experience with combat sports in general?

Khan is the definition of a horrid hype job and I would not be called Ray china chinned, Ray proved time and time again even early in his career that he was one durable guy. You are REACHING for whatever you can and when the kid's sparked finally and the hype is over, what is there left to say?

And I absolutely did not say Judah wouldn't last a few rounds with Cotto, in fact, I said Judah had a damn good chance of winning that fight and that he was tougher than given credit for, so you have me mixed up with someone else.

So I'm a disgrace to the sport, despite supporting it 100%, supporting true fighters 100% and supporting changes that would strengthen it for it to grow bigger like it was in the glory days. As well as the immense amount of respect that I provide for most fighters. Hype jobs and promotional scum are the elements that I DESPISE, Khan embodies BOTH.

Wake up, grow up, lighten up, whatever, but damn you are testy for me calling out facts and you know damn well that I am 100% correct on this issue and that Zak was 100% correct on that piece of shit Fraudley Harrison, whom was a disgrace to the sport and a disgrace to Britain in the end.

If you aren't convinced that Khan and the hype train is a joke, YOU NEVER WILL BE. So don't call on my boxing knowledge, my stance on the sport and my personal beliefs while putting false accusations at the front of the table under a complete incorrect assessment filled with disrespect just because YOU don't agree with me and are STILL BLINDED by this fucking disgrace Amir Khan.

I am shocked that you are still supporting this fraud, most others have conceeded into submission that it's OVER.:scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas:

[Decebal]

Guys, this is getting a bit overly heated! Khan is a product (victim?) of the British obsession with celebrity culture. His minders have taken advantage of his Cinderella-like story to the MAX. Nobody can deny that. This is why they have done their outmost to turn him into a national hero figure who cannot do wrong. The media asked for it. They were glad to oblige. But they overhyped his skill and talent. This happens sometimes in Britain. Remember Tim Henman? All this is unfortunate. But what I disaprove of is the fact that Khan himself has more than played along - he has started to believe the hype himself and started to act arrogantly. Ultimately this will bring him down, once the media decide to round on him, as they eventually round on all the heroes they have helped lift too close to the sun.

Real fans and friends of Khan would advise him to keep his chin down:lol: and his feet on the ground, and to talk with modesty and dignity and respect for his opponents and peers.

[hitman_hatton1]

:rofl

Well, now you DO!



the votes have been counted and verified and i can confirm that amsterdam was right. :yep

[achillesthegreat]

Of course, you don't respect an Olympian, you don't respect someone trying to make it in the pros and you don't respect the heart Khan showed.

It has little to do with your size. The fact that you think by being 12st you would somehow withstand 5 full bloodied shots by a man who is about 2st lighter than you is just the beginning of your stupidity. I know you are not a pro boxer, nor are you a fully fledged amateur and that is that. I also can't overlook your total lack of disrespect towards Khan and other boxers. Someone with impressive experience would not ooze of cunt and disrespect like you do.

I'm sure you said Judah was getting sparked in three rounds. Maybe I got it wrong.

Of course you are bad for the sport. You come across as a boxers fan rather than a boxing fan. Khan is good for the game but instead you would like him to fail. This only hurts boxing.

You have been on Khans back for ages, it has slowly stirred me up. It is absolutely pathetic. Once upon a time I thought you were a good poster but you aren't, you must be a fanboy. It is all rooted in your lack of respect for fighters.

What is laughable is something you GUESSED didn't even happen. Khan wasn't flattened. However you feel vindicated and throughtout your posts it appears you think you have done something prophetic. It would be wise than you calm down and learn some respect. Credit Khan for his courage. You should be saying something like 'I was right but Khan has won me over'.

Even the Harrison thing isn't amazing. Harrison took a huge shot from Williams and got up but yet no credit! Harrisons chin was left out to dry, while punching and got caught with something HUGE!

You have no proof of Khan being a hype job. Yes, he is being marketed but what sort of moron would you be not to expect that. That is life, Khan is a product.

I disagree with you that Khans chin is the pit of chins. I have said Khans chin clearly isn't legendary, however I respect how he fought back.

You are shocked that I respect and even support someone who is good for the game?! Of course you would because you are a fanboy who has not justification for his thoughts other than hatred.

[Top Dog]

I have no respect to combatants?:lol:

Because I don't respect china chinned Khan?

How do you know that I would be taken down by Limond, a man half my size from a singular combination when you know little about my physicality, experience with combat sports in general?

Khan is the definition of a horrid hype job and I would not be called Ray china chinned, Ray proved time and time again even early in his career that he was one durable guy. You are REACHING for whatever you can and when the kid's sparked finally and the hype is over, what is there left to say?

And I absolutely did not say Judah wouldn't last a few rounds with Cotto, in fact, I said Judah had a damn good chance of winning that fight and that he was tougher than given credit for, so you have me mixed up with someone else.

So I'm a disgrace to the sport, despite supporting it 100%, supporting true fighters 100% and supporting changes that would strengthen it for it to grow bigger like it was in the glory days. As well as the immense amount of respect that I provide for most fighters. Hype jobs and promotional scum are the elements that I DESPISE, Khan embodies BOTH.

Wake up, grow up, lighten up, whatever, but damn you are testy for me calling out facts and you know damn well that I am 100% correct on this issue and that Zak was 100% correct on that piece of shit Fraudley Harrison, whom was a disgrace to the sport and a disgrace to Britain in the end.

If you aren't convinced that Khan and the hype train is a joke, YOU NEVER WILL BE. So don't call on my boxing knowledge, my stance on the sport and my personal beliefs while putting false accusations at the front of the table under a complete incorrect assessment filled with disrespect just because YOU don't agree with me and are STILL BLINDED by this fucking disgrace Amir Khan.

I am shocked that you are still supporting this fraud, most others have conceeded into submission that it's OVER.:scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas:

Amsterdam, you are indeed a disgrace to the sport, because you have the cheek to slag off our saviour of british boxing, how dare you:twisted: Eh, hold on a minute, so did I:lol: Oh, never mind we can both be a disgrace to the sport, but at least we were right when we said he was a hype job:thumbsup
Forget his joker mate, his tongue has tasted Amirs arse, and he's looking for a second lick:lol: :D :D

[China_hand_Joe]

There is little doubt Khan's overall chin-defence combination is fairly vunerable.

[Max Molyneux]

Khan's chin might not be total china but just shaky as he wasn't out cold and was ok as soon as he got back up to complain to the ref saying It was a push.

Khan's defence needs work though, he won that on pure handspeed. If his defence Improved he can protect his chin enough to be sucessful.

The hype around him Is cheesy though but that happens with Olympians.

[SevenSamurai]

His problem is that in moments during the fight he left his chin in the air. It is definately something he can work on and he must work on if he ever hopes to fullfill the hopes he has. I am pretty sure though that if he gets hit again, that chin in the air or not, he will taste canvas. His handlers clearly know this is a weakness, hence the opposition he has faced has had very low KO %'s.

He did come back well from the knockdown and that should be applauded.

[Amsterdam]

Of course, you don't respect an Olympian, you don't respect someone trying to make it in the pros and you don't respect the heart Khan showed.

It has little to do with your size. The fact that you think by being 12st you would somehow withstand 5 full bloodied shots by a man who is about 2st lighter than you is just the beginning of your stupidity. I know you are not a pro boxer, nor are you a fully fledged amateur and that is that. I also can't overlook your total lack of disrespect towards Khan and other boxers. Someone with impressive experience would not ooze of cunt and disrespect like you do.

I'm sure you said Judah was getting sparked in three rounds. Maybe I got it wrong.

Of course you are bad for the sport. You come across as a boxers fan rather than a boxing fan. Khan is good for the game but instead you would like him to fail. This only hurts boxing.

You have been on Khans back for ages, it has slowly stirred me up. It is absolutely pathetic. Once upon a time I thought you were a good poster but you aren't, you must be a fanboy. It is all rooted in your lack of respect for fighters.

What is laughable is something you GUESSED didn't even happen. Khan wasn't flattened. However you feel vindicated and throughtout your posts it appears you think you have done something prophetic. It would be wise than you calm down and learn some respect. Credit Khan for his courage. You should be saying something like 'I was right but Khan has won me over'.

Even the Harrison thing isn't amazing. Harrison took a huge shot from Williams and got up but yet no credit! Harrisons chin was left out to dry, while punching and got caught with something HUGE!

You have no proof of Khan being a hype job. Yes, he is being marketed but what sort of moron would you be not to expect that. That is life, Khan is a product.

I disagree with you that Khans chin is the pit of chins. I have said Khans chin clearly isn't legendary, however I respect how he fought back.

You are shocked that I respect and even support someone who is good for the game?! Of course you would because you are a fanboy who has not justification for his thoughts other than hatred.

I'm done with arguing you, this is going to get us both nowhere and we'll continue with this for 10 pages and still be at no result.

The fact remains that my assessment of Limond being of journeyman quality in the LW division is absolutely correct, a commonly considered journeyman/gate keeper at LW, Miguel Huerta, whom I greatly respect would smoke Limond in 5 rounds or less. You don't want to recognise that Limond's 28-2 record wouldn't be that nice looking if he was fighting internationally and not domestically, I am judging him on his SKILL/INTANGIBLE level that I have seen from the few fights that I've viewed and while he's got good fundamentals, he's about journeyman level on the World scene and feather fisted variant at that.

And you don't know anything about me, never did I claim that just because I'm 12 st. that Limond couldn't KO me, I was claiming that I am 12 st. and have taken harder blows than that of Limond within combat sport, namely Martial Arts training and competition. So if you wan't to claim that a gloved shot from Willie Limond at 135 pounds is superior to a kick to the face by a 180 pound man, then so be it.

And by the way, I have perfect respect to combatants from all combat sports, just not hype jobs and other disgraces. I give respect to a multitude of fighters that TRUE HATERS slash on frequently and put things into respect.

Just because Khan's dick is in your mouth and that I brutally detest the Khan hype job train, is NO indication that I am disrespectful to the majority of combatants.

So keep overrating your domestic crop and your Olympic results, I'll stay in relevance to international WORLD CLASS PROFESSIONAL BOXING and keep comparing things like any fan of anything is going to judge top level athletes.

This is the last thing I'll say to you on this subject, you need to grow up Achilles, I definitley was under the impression that you were better than this, but one's true colours come out when the heat is on.:yep :good

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam, you are indeed a disgrace to the sport, because you have the cheek to slag off our saviour of british boxing, how dare you:twisted: Eh, hold on a minute, so did I:lol: Oh, never mind we can both be a disgrace to the sport, but at least we were right when we said he was a hype job:thumbsup
Forget his joker mate, his tongue has tasted Amirs arse, and he's looking for a second lick:lol: :D :D

Generally he's a good poster, guess this just hit a real soft spot with him. Either way, he's out of my realm of respect, it's one thing to differ in opinion and another to take things so personally that it becomes a pissing contest instead of a reasonable debate.

What's funny, is that I even talk to IronBull every now and then on MSN and he and I have gotten along well on there, despite him knowing that I despise Khan.

The irony is that he realises that this is all just relevant to my Political beliefs, I actually give Khan fair credit for his amatuer accomplishments, IronBull knows that I don't support public exploitation and that this what I see Khan as.

If there was no insane hype and exploitative marketing and execution surrounding Amir, I really wouldn't even give any of this a second look.

[China_hand_Joe]

Generally he's a good poster, guess this just hit a real soft spot with him. Either way, he's out of my realm of respect, it's one thing to differ in opinion and another to take things so personally that it becomes a pissing contest instead of a reasonable debate.

What's funny, is that I even talk to IronBull every now and then on MSN and he and I have gotten along well on there, despite him knowing that I despise Khan.

The irony is that he realises that this is all just relevant to my Political beliefs, I actually give Khan fair credit for his amatuer accomplishments, IronBull knows that I don't support public exploitation and that this what I see Khan as.

If there was no insane hype and exploitative marketing and execution surrounding Amir, I really wouldn't even give any of this a second look.Why do you hold the exploitation against Khan, surely he is just a puppet in it all who has been fooled into believing his own hype -questionmark-

[rooq]

congrats amterdam

very sad but the first thought after that punch landed was "fuck, amsterdam's gonna have a field day with this!"

although khan went down, i'm actually kind of glad he still didn't lose, just because it means there'll be at least another 5 shows on ITV, and there might be the odd half-decent undercard.

well done limond though for almost getting the job done.

[Decebal]

Why do you hold the exploitation against Khan, surely he is just a puppet in it all who has been fooled into believing his own hype -questionmark-

Given that your keyboard refuses to comply with you, your principled stance against emoticons seems even more worthy of perplexed admiration! :yep

[Olu G. Rotimi]

Olu, totally agree with you, a lot of the british guys would hammer Khan, he's a total hype job. I have it in my head now, Khan takes on someone like Thaxton and gets smoked, he blames it on weight problems so he moves up a weight, he then runs into Ajose and gets smoked in a couple of rounds:good Man, I would piss myself laughing:D :D When is Ajose back on??

Looks like September/October for Ajose. I doubt ****** would let Khan get in with Ajose as that would be a suicide mission.

[Amsterdam]

Why do you hold the exploitation against Khan, surely he is just a puppet in it all who has been fooled into believing his own hype -questionmark-

Realistically, I don't hold that against Khan, but I hold Khan's attitude as an arrogant, immature little twat against him and that coincides with the exploitation in full.

I hold the unrestrained Capitalist media, the promotional germs and the idiotic public in fault for the exploitation, quite a trifecta.

[David UK]

Amsterdam - are you even a fan of boxing? Khan gives us entertainment like he did last night and all you can say is 'see I told you his chin was china'. Just about everybody was questioning his punch resistance, I've always criticised his lack of head movement, but to claim some sort of victory is yours because he was knocked down and in trouble is laughable. As a boxing fan the first thing that I feel the need to address is the fact that these two fighters delivered some great action.

Well said. Unfortunately some 'fans' kind of miss the whole point of boxing, which is to entertain the fans. And that fight was wildly entertaining!! Two tough men giving there absolute all.

If Khan had laboured to a shut out points win, his haters would have merely said that he can't punch hard at a higher level. Had he delivered a faultless masterclass the haters would have said Limond was no good and who had he beaten blah blah. We see these types of comments from the Hatton and Calzaghe haters on the main forum and my guess is that some of them date back years, and still those two are undefeated

[Amsterdam]

congrats amterdam

very sad but the first thought after that punch landed was "fuck, amsterdam's gonna have a field day with this!"

although khan went down, i'm actually kind of glad he still didn't lose, just because it means there'll be at least another 5 shows on ITV, and there might be the odd half-decent undercard.

well done limond though for almost getting the job done.

No Rooq, congratulations to you mate, you started to see through this bullshit and now fully see it. Exactly, Limond is a limited, light punching fighter but he gave it his all to destroy a hype job with far superior physical ability than he, this demands respect from me.

And to add how I fully respect combatants -

Under my belief system, all fighters who devote the majority of their prime income years to any combat sport, they recieve a special pension that will have them economically secure for the rest of their lives.

Obviously this doesn't include millionare frauds like Khan and Fraudley who are already set, but it includes guys like Peter Buckley even and Baz Carey and our guy Willie Limond. They all get taken care of for their dedication to a very tough sport.

But I have no respect for fighters eh?:hey

[China_hand_Joe]

Pehaps my hatred of Arturo Gatti is unfounded -questionmark- It isn't completely his fault that he's such an abysmal fighter.

[Decebal]

Well said. Unfortunately some 'fans' kind of miss the whole point of boxing, which is to entertain the fans.

Surely the point of boxing cannot be entertainment...Yes, one would expect a boxing fan to be entertained by a nice display of the art of boxing, but entertainment is not its aim, surely. If it were, fights would probably be better off choreographed to make them even more entertaining!

[Decebal]

Pehaps my hatred of Arturo Gatti is unfounded -questionmark- It isn't completely his fault that he's such an abysmal fighter.

What are you on about comma China Joe questionmark

[China_hand_Joe]

What are you on about comma China Joe questionmarkDo we have the right to hate any fighter just because they are a joke -questionmark-

[Decebal]

Do we have the right to hate any fighter just because they are a joke -questionmark-

Jokes by definition cannot be hated, they are at best despised. Khan is no joke, because it isn't funny how much they overhyped him and how arrogant he's become.

[Decebal]

Given that your keyboard refuses to comply with you, your principled stance against emoticons seems even more worthy of perplexed admiration! :yep

:think

[China_hand_Joe]

Jokes by definition cannot be hated, they are at best despised. Khan is no joke, because it isn't funny how much they overhyped him and how arrogant he's become.Insert shit for joke then it makes no difference. Why have you quoted yourself -questionmark-

[Decebal]

Insert shit for joke then it makes no difference. Why have you quoted yourself -questionmark-

True, it wasn't a very funny joke, I'm sorry!:oops:

[China_hand_Joe]

Is it ok to hate shit boxers for being shit or not -questionmark-

[Decebal]

Is it ok to hate shit boxers for being shit or not -questionmark-

If Khan is hated, which I doubt, it's not becayse he is not the best.

It's stupid to hate someone for being shit. It's stupid to love someone for being good. Without the moral element, there can be no true love or hate - just admiration or lack of interest.

[China_hand_Joe]

If Khan is hated, which I doubt, it's not becayse he is not the best.
That is the main thing I have against him.

[Decebal]

That is the main thing I have against him.

What? That he is not the best?

[China_hand_Joe]

What? That he is not the best?Yes. Hatton, Calzaghe and potentially Haye are the only British fighters I have any respect for.

[Decebal]

Yes. Hatton, Calzaghe and potentially Haye are the only British fighters I have any respect for.

Well, you've picked well! But I also respect guys like Limond who are journeymen who love the sport and show some heart whilst giving their all. What is not to respect?

[China_hand_Joe]

An antelope hunting lions is not to be respected.

[NOrth]

Limmonds journeyman tag is harsh. Interesting that CHJ only respects three fighters in the UK. hOW YOU CANT RESPECT THE LIKES OF mACKLIN AND mOORE AFTER THEIR ENCOUNTER <sorry caps lock> is beyond me.

[China_hand_Joe]

Limmonds journeyman tag is harsh. Interesting that CHJ only respects three fighters in the UK. hOW YOU CANT RESPECT THE LIKES OF mACKLIN AND mOORE AFTER THEIR ENCOUNTER <sorry caps lock> is beyond me.I can respect others as people, just not as boxers. I prefer watching Mayweather educate Baldomir to Gatti - Ward. Watching Sprott KO Harrison was distressing to me as the lesser boxer won.

[achillesthegreat]

I'm done with arguing you, this is going to get us both nowhere and we'll continue with this for 10 pages and still be at no result.

The fact remains that my assessment of Limond being of journeyman quality in the LW division is absolutely correct, a commonly considered journeyman/gate keeper at LW, Miguel Huerta, whom I greatly respect would smoke Limond in 5 rounds or less. You don't want to recognise that Limond's 28-2 record wouldn't be that nice looking if he was fighting internationally and not domestically, I am judging him on his SKILL/INTANGIBLE level that I have seen from the few fights that I've viewed and while he's got good fundamentals, he's about journeyman level on the World scene and feather fisted variant at that.

And you don't know anything about me, never did I claim that just because I'm 12 st. that Limond couldn't KO me, I was claiming that I am 12 st. and have taken harder blows than that of Limond within combat sport, namely Martial Arts training and competition. So if you wan't to claim that a gloved shot from Willie Limond at 135 pounds is superior to a kick to the face by a 180 pound man, then so be it.

And by the way, I have perfect respect to combatants from all combat sports, just not hype jobs and other disgraces. I give respect to a multitude of fighters that TRUE HATERS slash on frequently and put things into respect.

Just because Khan's dick is in your mouth and that I brutally detest the Khan hype job train, is NO indication that I am disrespectful to the majority of combatants.

So keep overrating your domestic crop and your Olympic results, I'll stay in relevance to international WORLD CLASS PROFESSIONAL BOXING and keep comparing things like any fan of anything is going to judge top level athletes.

This is the last thing I'll say to you on this subject, you need to grow up Achilles, I definitley was under the impression that you were better than this, but one's true colours come out when the heat is on.:yep :good
You are just nuts, I have continously made you look like a fool on every thing you bring up.

Yet again you are guessing where Limond stands. Generally if he was fighting the Diazs and Casamayors of the world I would not expect him to stand up well. As it is he is on his level - domestic - and Khan in his 13th fight is still domestic. Are you telling me you are the kind of cock to expect Khan to be world class in his 13th fight? Few fighters can step up amazingly quickly, most need to grow.

You don't know you have taken a harder barrage than what Limond gave Khan. Yes, I would bet those 5 punches are heavier than one kick. Again, you are just disrespecting what Limond has to offer.

You think an Olympic silver medalist is just hype. Can you really not see what sort of a cock you are?

You clearly detest more than the hype because I am yet to have seen you praise Khans courage.

I am not overrating Khan. I TELL IT LIKE IT IS. I don't chat shit like you and then preach that I tell it like it is. I have assessed Khan logically all along i.e. I have said he hasn't fought/avoided punchers. His record backs this assessment up 100%.

It is because I am mature that I have chosen to make you look like a fool. You spam this board with your hate for Khan and it is disgraceful. You have absolutely no respect.

[Boro chris]

An antelope hunting lions is not to be respected.

:shock: Whoa! Thats some heavy zen like mind fuck thing you got going there!













Can I base a religion on your sayings?:smooch

[Decebal]

An antelope hunting lions is not to be respected.

How about a wild boar puting in his place a young lion who thinks too much of himself?

[China_hand_Joe]

Can I base a religion on your sayings?:smoochNo, but you can start a second rate denomination.

[Boro chris]

No, but you can start a second rate denomination.



Anglicanism I like it!!:happy

[Zakman]

Zakman said once that Williams was probably going to lose to Gammer just because he lost to china chinned Audley. Zak's logic Is weird sometimes.

You've got me mixed up with somebody else guy - I picked Danny in that fight. Never thought Gammer was anything more than a mediocre domestic-level contender, frankly.

Anyway, it should be pretty clear to just everybody that the ESB Chincheckers were right about Khan, just like we were right about Fraudley. After you've been watching this sport for awhile, you can practically SMELL a glass jaw. Khan's is grade A china, just waiting to be shattered. Limond merely put the first of many noticeable cracks in that crystal.:hey

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[theworm]

i think dav uk s point from a while back is the most relevant. i m no expert on boxing, but i enjoy watching it, cos when its entertaining there s nothing like it. and thats how i feel about the khan limmond fight, great entertainment. plus his point about fighters with untarnished records still getting hate from the same people that always hated them is a very good point. if those that hate khan for being a hype job today, don t back down IF (and it is a big IF) he goes on to be an accomplished world level boxer, then they really are cocks. we ll just have to wait and see...

[Decebal]

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[Max Molyneux]

You've got me mixed up with somebody else guy - I picked Danny in that fight. Never thought Gammer was anything more than a mediocre domestic-level contender, frankly.

Anyway, it should be pretty clear to just everybody that the ESB Chincheckers were right about Khan, just like we were right about Fraudley. After you've been watching this sport for awhile, you can practically SMELL a glass jaw. Khan's is grade A china, just waiting to be shattered. Limond merely put the first of many noticeable cracks in that crystal.:hey

I'm sure It was a man with a Fraudley avatar saying realising the dream using the logic of being beaten by Audley means he could well lose to Gammer.:yep

Crystal's are strong, you should of said noticible cracks In that china.:yep

[Zakman]

I'm sure It was a man with a Fraudley avatar saying realising the dream using the logic of being beaten by Audley means he could well lose to Gammer.:yep

Crystal's are strong, you should of said noticible cracks In that china.:yep

That sounds like Superheavyweight to me!! Trust me, I've always thought rather highly of Danny Williams. IMO, he's the best of this generation of British HWs, by far. Better than Skelton and Sprott, better than Gammer, and SURELY better than glass-jawed Fraudley.

That's for the reminder on crystal. I should know, as I have a crystal vase and the thing is HEAVY. It's like glass reinforced with lead - and that's sure not Fraudley!!:lol:

[Amsterdam]

That sounds like Superheavyweight to me!! Trust me, I've always thought rather highly of Danny Williams. IMO, he's the best of this generation of British HWs, by far. Better than Skelton and Sprott, better than Gammer, and SURELY better than glass-jawed Fraudley.

That's for the reminder on crystal. I should know, as I have a crystal vase and the thing is HEAVY. It's like glass reinforced with lead - and that's sure not Fraudley!!:lol:

Fraudley hot out of the fire Grade A China, please.:yep

[Zakman]

Fraudley hot out of the fire Grade A China, please.:yep

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

I stand corrected! :lol:

[Max Molyneux]

That sounds like Superheavyweight to me!! Trust me, I've always thought rather highly of Danny Williams. IMO, he's the best of this generation of British HWs, by far. Better than Skelton and Sprott, better than Gammer, and SURELY better than glass-jawed Fraudley.

That's for the reminder on crystal. I should know, as I have a crystal vase and the thing is HEAVY. It's like glass reinforced with lead - and that's sure not Fraudley!!:lol:
Williams In shape beat all 3.

Well for the first Audley fight he admitted to training on Pizza and cakes and still won because he knew Fraudley was scared to be hit.:yep

[LeadLeftHook]

:rofl

Well, now you DO!

Dropped and stunned by a light hitting domestic fighter, whom is a division up from his natural division. How's this kid going to take the shots of real World Class fighters?

For everyone who doubts the Zakman-Amsterdam scientific process of checking chins... here's to you!:p

"But... But... There's no evidence that he has a china chin.... you're just making outlandish claims as a hater"

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

All of this hype for what? A china chinned joke with some flashy speed.. wow. The only reason that I am not celebrating in full is that he wasn't finished off by Limond, but if Limond hit even a slight lick harder, it would have been OVER for this joker train.

It's likely that the better domestics remove him before he even breaks out into true World Rankings, what a fucking joke.:yep

By the way, let's give Willie some credit, he trained hard to the best of his abilities and officially exposed this fraud, GOOD ON YOU WILLIE!:D

I give you a lot of credit for making a great call. Except I dont believe his chin is glass but it definitely is below average. He took several flush shots and wasnt phased at all. The one that initially hurt him down was a temple shot.

Having said that his hype was justified given his accomplishments in amateurs! If a kid winning Junior Olympics, Euro qualifiers, Silver at Olympics at only 17 cant be hyped who can? If he doesn’t have what it takes, and if he is as bad as you say, his hype will die sooner no doubt.

Lets also be real, Limond is a type of opponent most prospects don’t fight in their 13th fight. What I liked was the fact that like a true fighter he stood up and came back stronger knocking Limond down the next round.

I believe Khan can still be World champ if fixes his defensive flaws. Problem is, he’s too offensive minded and ignores his defense. He can easily take gradual steps, time is on his side.

[Amsterdam]

No hype is qualified of that level until they prove something professionally, which he has yet to do. A decent amount of hype would have been fine with me, considering the Olympic accomplishment, but not this insanity trip.

And he won't be a World Champion, his fragile jaw will get cracked done by any fighter of moderate hitting power, even with a tight defence.

[achillesthegreat]

No hype is qualified of that level until they prove something professionally, which he has yet to do. A decent amount of hype would have been fine with me, considering the Olympic accomplishment, but not this insanity trip.

And he won't be a World Champion, his fragile jaw will get cracked done by any fighter of moderate hitting power, even with a tight defence.
This is not true. Boxing is entertainment. It needs marketing. Before Khan turned pro one could argue he was the BEST P4P AMATEUR IN THE WORLD!

History says that Olympians can turn into damn fine pros.

[Amsterdam]

This is not true. Boxing is entertainment. It needs marketing. Before Khan turned pro one could argue he was the BEST P4P AMATEUR IN THE WORLD!

History says that Olympians can turn into damn fine pros.

That they can, but recent history suggests that it's not always the case, especially with good amatuers that are easy to predict having heavy flaws in the pro's.