Interesting Gary Lockett Article

[booradley]

This is a good read.

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[Hermit]

Only footage I've seen is old. So. Just have to wait for the actual fight. That said, if he has fought good competition, it hasn't done much for his visibility. Interesting that Joe C himself has this one sized up. Preview?

[JETSKI]

This is a good read.

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Yeah, great article. Just what I needed to get me all nervous!:tired

Pavlik loses to this nobody & you'll never see me here again.

[booradley]

I thought that this statement was one of the more interesting aspects of the article:

“Joe Calzaghe said to me ‘Styles make fights. If you fought Winky Wright or even Jermain Taylor, they might be a bit above you but this guy is different. He’ll be more suited to you because he’ll stand in front of you and anybody you can hit, you can hurt’. It’s a simple as that.”

Pavlik beat Taylor in a slug fest, and then beat him again in a tactical boxing match. However, Joe C says Taylor is too much for Lockett, but Pavlik is not! Pavlik has knocked out guys who had never been stopped before, and he has out boxed guys who had never been out boxed, and yet people still consistenly underestimate him.

I don't think a Pavlik/Calzaghe fight will happen because there is just to much difference in where they are in their respective careers; Joe is on his way out, but Kelly is still on his way up. However, the more I learn about Calzaghe, the more I hope the fight does happen!

Boo

[TFFP]

I thought that this statement was one of the more interesting aspects of the article:

“Joe Calzaghe said to me ‘Styles make fights. If you fought Winky Wright or even Jermain Taylor, they might be a bit above you but this guy is different. He’ll be more suited to you because he’ll stand in front of you and anybody you can hit, you can hurt’. It’s a simple as that.”

Pavlik beat Taylor in a slug fest, and then beat him again in a tactical boxing match. However, Joe C says Taylor is too much for Lockett, but Pavlik is not! Pavlik has knocked out guys who had never been stopped before, and he has out boxed guys who had never been out boxed, and yet people still consistenly underestimate him.

I don't think a Pavlik/Calzaghe fight will happen because there is just to much difference in where they are in their respective careers; Joe is on his way out, but Kelly is still on his way up. However, the more I learn about Calzaghe, the more I hope the fight does happen!

Boo
You are reading way too much into it. Joe is just trying to make his mate feel good about himself

[booradley]

You are reading way too much into it. Joe is just trying to make his mate feel good about himself

Am I reading to much into the 97,000 times Joe has called Kelly out? No matter what we think of either fighter the fact is Kelly Pavlik is gonna HURT anybody he fights. He is, at the very least, a really rough night for anybody at 160-175, but Joe, and all of the Newbridge gang, talks as if Slappy would walk right through Pavlik. I get real tired of reading that shit.

Boo

[Boro chris]

. I get real tired of reading that shit.

Boo

Its not as if he's the first arrogant boxer on the planet!:D
And to be fair, a lot of posters here who think Joe is a level above Pavlik aren't all nuthuggers.
However Joe is ageing and if Pavlik can get him to postpone retirement till 2009 AND get him to drop back to 168lbs then he'll have an ok chance in my book.

[TFFP]

Am I reading to much into the 97,000 times Joe has called Kelly out? No matter what we think of either fighter the fact is Kelly Pavlik is gonna HURT anybody he fights. He is, at the very least, a really rough not for anybody at 160-175, but Joe, and all of the Newbridge gang, talks as if Slappy would walk right through Pavlik. I get real tired of reading that shit.

Boo
I doubt they think he would walk right through him, although they probably do think he'd box his head off, as do many educated observers on this site

It's just a bad matchup for Pavlik.

[JETSKI]

I thought that this statement was one of the more interesting aspects of the article:

“Joe Calzaghe said to me ‘Styles make fights. If you fought Winky Wright or even Jermain Taylor, they might be a bit above you but this guy is different. He’ll be more suited to you because he’ll stand in front of you and anybody you can hit, you can hurt’. It’s a simple as that.”

Pavlik beat Taylor in a slug fest, and then beat him again in a tactical boxing match. However, Joe C says Taylor is too much for Lockett, but Pavlik is not! Pavlik has knocked out guys who had never been stopped before, and he has out boxed guys who had never been out boxed, and yet people still consistenly underestimate him.

I don't think a Pavlik/Calzaghe fight will happen because there is just to much difference in where they are in their respective careers; Joe is on his way out, but Kelly is still on his way up. However, the more I learn about Calzaghe, the more I hope the fight does happen!

Boo

I've wanted to see this guy get toasted right after the Lacey fight when he went from a EuroNobody to P4P on everyone's list because he beat a overrated, overmuscled B rated fighter.

He's just disrespecting Pavlk & Kelly would knock his ass out & he knows it. I doubt it will happen, too. Kelly can't just jump to 168 & fight Joe C. Plus, Joe may stay at 175 after B Hop.

[booradley]

I doubt they think he would walk right through him, although they probably do think he'd box his head off, as do many educated observers on this site

It's just a bad matchup for Pavlik.

Personally I think it's the other way around. Pavlik is everything Joe needs to stay away from here in the twilight of his career. Yes Joe is fast and awkward, but everytime he comes in winging those wild round house punches, Pavlik would eat his ass up wtih straight shots up the middle. Yes joe has a really good chin, but Pavlik aint backin' up. He'd force Joe to stand and trade, and Joe's chin will not stand up to that. Joe's accuracy sucks; 28% against the Robo-Dane who wasn't even returning fire a good deal of the time. Pavlik's accuracy is very good to great most of the time. What happens when Joe is landing 28% of his slaps while Pavlik lands 35-40%, throws 80-100 punches a round, and sits down on damn near everything he throws? Answer: Pavlik KO10 Calzaghe.

Boo

[TFFP]

I've wanted to see this guy get toasted right after the Lacey fight when he went from a EuroNobody to P4P on everyone's list because he beat a overrated, overmuscled B rated fighter.

He's just disrespecting Pavlk & Kelly would knock his ass out & he knows it. I doubt it will happen, too. Kelly can't just jump to 168 & fight Joe C. Plus, Joe may stay at 175 after B Hop.
That EuroNobody has CLEARLY beaten guys Pavlik could only dream of competing with, let alone beating, in Kessler and Eubank

Funny you should talk about B class fighters. That's exactly what Mr Pavlik has made his name on thus far. A B- in Miranda and a B in Taylor. Don't suppose you have so much of a problem with him being P4P now do you?

[booradley]

That EuroNobody has CLEARLY beaten guys Pavlik could only dream of competing with, let alone beating, in Kessler and Eubank

Funny you should talk about B class fighters. That's exactly what Mr Pavlik has made his name on thus far. A B- in Miranda and a B in Taylor. Don't suppose you have so much of a problem with him being P4P now do you?

This is some really dillusional shit right here! Joe C elected to fight BHop who Taylor beat twice. Did you forget what Pavlik did to Talyor? Kessler is ducking Miranda, but Pavlik jumped at the chance to fight him, and then beat him like the proverbial red headed step child.:hi:

Boo

[TFFP]

Personally I think it's the other way around. Pavlik is everything Joe needs to stay away from here in the twilight of his career. Yes Joe is fast and awkward, but everytime he comes in winging those wild round house punches, Pavlik would eat his ass up wtih straight shots up the middle. Yes joe has a really good chin, but Pavlik aint backin' up. He'd force Joe to stand and trade, and Joe's chin will not stand up to that. Joe's accuracy sucks; 28% against the Robo-Dane who wasn't even returning fire a good deal of the time. Pavlik's accuracy is very good to great most of the time. What happens when Joe is landing 28% of his slaps while Pavlik lands 35-40%, throws 80-100 punches a round, and sits down on damn near everything he throws? Answer: Pavlik KO10 Calzaghe.

Boo
35-45% :rofl :rofl

What are you smoking son? Nobody hits Joe Calzaghe with that percentage of shots

I like how you have conventiently neglected to mention speed, a key factor in this fight, and also the southpaw stance and jab which will completely negate Pavlik's jab, which he uses to set up virtually every attack

There is a reason the best fightpickers on this site choose Calzaghe in this fight, which doesn't automatically prove anything, but it gives an indication of who has the upper hand stylistically

Sounds like you are blinded by bias rather than boxing analysis, since you've pointed out a few of Calzaghe's weaknesses against Pavlik's strengths which is not the basis for analysing a matchup, using that logic your favourite fighter wins every single time

[booradley]

35-45% :rofl :rofl

What are you smoking son? Nobody hits Joe Calzaghe with that percentage of shots

I like how you have conventiently neglected to mention speed, a key factor in this fight, and also the southpaw stance and jab which will completely negate Pavlik's jab, which he uses to set up virtually every attack

There is a reason the best fightpickers on this site choose Calzaghe in this fight, which doesn't automatically prove anything, but it gives an indication of who has the upper hand stylistically

Sounds like you are blinded by bias rather than boxing analysis, since you've pointed out a few of Calzaghe's weaknesses against Pavlik's strengths which is not the basis for analysing a matchup, using that logic your favourite fighter wins every single time

Let's see now -- You just lost all credibilty -- I didn't mention his speed or southpaw stance? What the fuck does the word "fast" mean to you. The southpaw stance? Didn't I say "awkward?" And, if you think a southpaw stance is an advantage against one of the best lead rights in the business, you really are dillusional!

Furthermore, at least half of the so called "best analysts" on ESB picked both Miranda and Taylor over Pavlik!

Boo

[TFFP]

Let's see now -- You just lost all credibilty -- I didn't mention his speed or southpaw stance? What the fuck does the word "fast" mean to you. The southpaw stance? Didn't I say "awkward?" And, if you think a southpaw stance is an advantage against one of the best lead rights in the business, you really are dillusional!

Furthermore, at least half of the so called "best analysts" on ESB picked both Miranda and Taylor over Pavlik!

Boo
Your analysis was just woeful, I couldn't identify with it on any level and I feel a counter analysis would be futile given the levels of bias

For that reason I'll leave you to your Pavlik love in with JETSKI

[booradley]

Your analysis was just woeful, I couldn't identify with it on any level and I feel a counter analysis would be futile given the levels of bias

For that reason I'll leave you to your Pavlik love in with JETSKI

chicken shit:yep

[Hermit]

Your analysis was just woeful, I couldn't identify with it on any level and I feel a counter analysis would be futile given the levels of bias

For that reason I'll leave you to your Pavlik love in with JETSKI
Says the guy that eats puffins! :shock:

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[Andre]

Personally i'd pick Calzaghe to beat pavlik quite handily, i dont see Pavlik dealing with lateral movers very well as his style would require someone in front of him or going backwards and forwards (e.g. Miranda, Taylor). Calzaghe has great lateral movement and Pavlik would find it hard to land the 35%- 40% of punches.

[Snorkel]

I don't think what Calzaghe said was at all unreasonable; Pavlik's easier to hit than both Winky and Taylor so Lockett stands more of a punchers chance against him than he does against the others. Lockett can certainly bang and Pavlik's no defensive master so catching him flush wouldn't be that much of a surprise.

As for the Calzaghe - Pavlik comments, if anybody thinks Calzaghe's going to be beaten to the punch by Pavlik, you're having a laugh. Joe may throw looping punches from time to time, but he's also got a much more varied arsenal than Kelly.

Joe proved against Kessler that he can throw short, sharp, straight punches and he subsequently beat Mikkel to the punch all night long. If you think Pavlik has faster hands than Kessler, you've clearly no idea. Even more ridiculous is the idea that Pavlik could beat Calzaghe to the punch given that both his hand and foot speed are a fraction of Joe's. There's a slight chance Pavlik may win, but I can guarantee you it won't be because he was quicker to the punch.

[booradley]

Personally i'd pick Calzaghe to beat pavlik quite handily, i dont see Pavlik dealing with lateral movers very well as his style would require someone in front of him or going backwards and forwards (e.g. Miranda, Taylor). Calzaghe has great lateral movement and Pavlik would find it hard to land the 35%- 40% of punches.

Finally! some intelligent commentary from a Clazaghe supporter! The trick for pavlik would be to force Joe backwards by timing him well enough to connect with the double-jab-right hand, and lead right. Against a south paw Pavlik could switch things up and use the lead right to set up the double-jab-right hand. Joe's defense is not exactly phenomonal. I also think he would have to focus on the body in the early rounds to take away some of Joe's speed and movement. I really think Pav could take Joe out in 10 or 11 rounds. If not, he'd probably lose a UD 116-112 or there abouts.

Boo

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Ya'll go ahead and keep goin on ahead JetSki and Boo! Nice job holding down the fort in here.

[Cruiser1]

The guy's obviously not very thick skinned. He's a major underdog that most people outside the UK haven't even heard of. Why should anyone rally behind him? It's not like he's the first fighter to have been written off prior to a fight. He wants respect? Let him go in there and earn it.

[Hermit]

I thought Jack Lowe was just trying to get into Jermain's head when he said, "Kelly does it one handed" refering to the photo's of Jermain surfacing beating a tire. But...

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[pipe wrenched]

That EuroNobody has CLEARLY beaten guys Pavlik could only dream of competing with, let alone beating, in Kessler and Eubank

Funny you should talk about B class fighters. That's exactly what Mr Pavlik has made his name on thus far. A B- in Miranda and a B in Taylor. Don't suppose you have so much of a problem with him being P4P now do you?

Being that I'm brainwashed by the American media that the UK posters know so much more about than us actual Americans, I admit I don't know all there is to know about every aspect of Joe's life.

But with the proof from UK posters, mind you, being surfaced here lately that not only had Eubank (clearly listed all the god damned time as one of Joe's only big wins) been quite inactive for up to 2 years prior, he took the fight on 2 weeks notice!!!!?? It had also been pointed out by UK posters that the only fight/fights Eubank had taken place in, in that 2 year span was some exhibition shit in Dubai!!.

[Benjiabc]

I've wanted to see this guy get toasted right after the Lacey fight when he went from a EuroNobody to P4P on everyone's list because he beat a overrated, overmuscled B rated fighter.

He's just disrespecting Pavlk & Kelly would knock his ass out & he knows it. I doubt it will happen, too. Kelly can't just jump to 168 & fight Joe C. Plus, Joe may stay at 175 after B Hop.



ha ha good one. kelly gets his bald head beated all night long. pavlik does not move enough for joe. easy UD for joe IMO

kelly is too easy to hit end of

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ha ha good one. kelly gets his bald head beated all night long. pavlik does not move enough for joe. easy UD for joe IMO

kelly is too easy to hit end of

Please enlighten me as to when Kelly has been hit a bunch of times, all your going to be able to give me is the 2nd round of one fight in which he was being cocky and got caught for it, against an Olympic medalist. In the Miranda fight, Kelly was hit by about 5 right hands, and what else?? Anything? Did you see the Zertuche fight?? KP looked like Winky in that fight, until he found his range and put a nasty sleeper on Zertuche.

Better yet, name me one time including the JT 1 fight that Pavlik even had a little swelling, bruising, black eye, anything other than a bloody nose?? Name 1.

Yeah, his defence is just terrible.

[Boro chris]

Being that I'm brainwashed by the American media that the UK posters know so much more about than us actual Americans, I admit I don't know all there is to know about every aspect of Joe's life.

But with the proof from UK posters, mind you, being surfaced here lately that not only had Eubank (clearly listed all the god damned time as one of Joe's only big wins) been quite inactive for up to 2 years prior, he took the fight on 2 weeks notice!!!!?? It had also been pointed out by UK posters that the only fight/fights Eubank had taken place in, in that 2 year span was some exhibition shit in Dubai!!.

Yep Eubank was hardly in his prime for that fight. But it would be a mistake to consider him shot. He was still dangerous and Calzaghe was a complete novice at the time not having fought anyone even remotely worldclass. Eubank continued to fight at worldclass for a while after and should have won the cruiser title but he'd been gunshy since the Michael Watson tragedy. Carl Thompson was a sitting duck at one point in their first fight.
I'm a Calzaghe fan and rate him highly but I'm no nuthugger (you can check my previous posts if you really can be bothered) and like other fans I dont think it unreasonable to state that I think he's a class above Pavlik in terms of talent. What annoys me is when those opinions are ridiculed by posters who are bigging up their own fighter like Pavlik. If posters cant be objective then I cant understand how they can derive any enjoyment from discussion. They're no better than cheerleaders imo.

P.S. I accept there are some right psychos who are Calzaghe fans as well.:D

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No-one's arguing that Eubank wasn't on the slide, but he wasn't shot. He gave Carl Thompson an incredibly difficult couple of nights following that where he displayed none of the signs of being "shot" and, in fact, nearly won. This with the fact that he was some 22lbs above his best weight.

Either way, Joe was only in his 22nd fight, had never been twelve rounds, with a tough, strong and crafty veteran who had been in wars before and knew how to dig deep.

Despite this, he dominated. He passed every test asked of him about his chin, abilities and heart.

Yeah, I came across a little "strong opinioned" in that post, which I usually try not to. But TFFP was using his "elite-ist" stance of being Joe C. fan so I came off differently than I like to on here.

[Benjiabc]

Please enlighten me as to when Kelly has been hit a bunch of times, all your going to be able to give me is the 2nd round of one fight in which he was being cocky and got caught for it, against an Olympic medalist. In the Miranda fight, Kelly was hit by about 5 right hands, and what else?? Anything? Did you see the Zertuche fight?? KP looked like Winky in that fight, until he found his range and put a nasty sleeper on Zertuche.

Better yet, name me one time including the JT 1 fight that Pavlik even had a little swelling, bruising, black eye, anything other than a bloody nose?? Name 1.

Yeah, his defence is just terrible.


has he ever fought anyone with the speed of JC, please dont say jermain taylor, he might be quick but he hits about as hard as paul malignaggi. JC will hit harder quicker and be harder to hit then pavlik is used to. pavlik may hurt JC but JC never loses this fight, P.S i gave Pavlik and JT2 to JT by 2 rounds. was not at all impressed by pavlik

[ad82]

It's funny how people are writing Lockett off...they obviously have just looked up boxrec and not seen him fight.

Gary's a good boxer, with great power and he will be in fantastic shape. Yes he's an underdog but people are writing him off because they havn't seen him, not because of how good a boxer he is.

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Yep Eubank was hardly in his prime for that fight. But it would be a mistake to consider him shot. He was still dangerous and Calzaghe was a complete novice at the time not having fought anyone even remotely worldclass. Eubank continued to fight at worldclass for a while after and should have won the cruiser title but he'd been gunshy since the Michael Watson tragedy. Carl Thompson was a sitting duck at one point in their first fight.
I'm a Calzaghe fan and rate him highly but I'm no nuthugger (you can check my previous posts if you really can be bothered) and like other fans I dont think it unreasonable to state that I think he's a class above Pavlik in terms of talent. What annoys me is when those opinions are ridiculed by posters who are bigging up their own fighter like Pavlik. If posters cant be objective then I cant understand how they can derive any enjoyment from discussion. They're no better than cheerleaders imo.

P.S. I accept there are some right psychos who are Calzaghe fans as well.:D

Well yeah, I mean shit Joes been a champion for like 10 years, right?
And Pavlik has just won his first belt that he's yet to even make one defense of. So in the same regard, it's very tiring to hear the elitist Joe fans always ridiculing him, and to see Joe getting a pass by those same posters for calling Pavlik out once a week, when all of those guys claim Pavlik to be not much more than garbage.

[Benjiabc]

It's funny how people are writing Lockett off...they obviously have just looked up boxrec and not seen him fight.

Gary's a good boxer, with great power and he will be in fantastic shape. Yes he's an underdog but people are writing him off because they havn't seen him, not because of how good a boxer he is.

dam right:good

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It's funny how people are writing Lockett off...they obviously have just looked up boxrec and not seen him fight.

Gary's a good boxer, with great power and he will be in fantastic shape. Yes he's an underdog but people are writing him off because they havn't seen him, not because of how good a boxer he is.

Nobody's writing Lockett off. Infact some of us are concerned simply because we don't know anything about him other than the fact he has a good record.

[Benjiabc]

Nobody's writing Lockett off. Infact some of us are concerned simply because we don't know anything about him other than the fact he has a good record.


will you be at the fight?

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dam right:good

OK, Benji, I have asked others, so please tell me about how good Lockett is, and against what competition he did his thing.

Before you accuse me of anything, please check my posts and notice I have never written Lockett off or shown him no disrespect.

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will you be at the fight?

I will try. Can't say work has been in abundance and kind to me as of late, but if I can I sure will.

[ad82]

Nobody's writing Lockett off. Infact some of us are concerned simply because we don't know anything about him other than the fact he has a good record.
Have a read around the forum..a lot of people are writing him off! I think one person ont his board said he will never come back if this bum beats Pavlik.

I suspect he's never seen Gary fight before and knows nothing about him. Anybody who calls a fighter a bum is better off not being here anyway!

It's a good styles match up and a good test for Pavlik.

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No-one's arguing that Eubank wasn't on the slide, but he wasn't shot. He gave Carl Thompson an incredibly difficult couple of nights following that where he displayed none of the signs of being "shot" and, in fact, nearly won. This with the fact that he was some 22lbs above his best weight.

Either way, Joe was only in his 22nd fight, had never been twelve rounds, with a tough, strong and crafty veteran who had been in wars before and knew how to dig deep.

Despite this, he dominated. He passed every test asked of him about his chin, abilities and heart.

OK, and please understand I'm not trying to be smart ass here, but I'm guessing it's safe to assume he had a little more than 2 weeks notice for the Thompson fight??

[Benjiabc]

OK, Benji, I have asked others, so please tell me about how good Lockett is, and against what competition he did his thing.

Before you accuse me of anything, please check my posts and notice I have never written Lockett off or shown him no disrespect.

no i was not disrespecting you in person. i meant in general. everyone i talk to is writing lockett off but yet noone can tell me anything about lockett. i never said you showed lockett any disrespect. hopefully you can make it to the fight mate:good

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Have a read around the forum..a lot of people are writing him off! I think one person ont his board said he will never come back if this bum beats Pavlik.

I suspect he's never seen Gary fight before and knows nothing about him. Anybody who calls a fighter a bum is better off not being here anyway!

It's a good styles match up and a good test for Pavlik.

Well JetSki does get a little passionate sometimes. He is for one who I consider President of the ESB Pavlik Fan Club. He has posted pictures of his Pavlik memerobilia collection that's is quite large and impressive. He will always, the same as Joe C fans do for Joe, back Pavlik with full passion.

But if you check his posts, both he and I started respectfull threads about Lockett for learning purposes of him, and I'm betting it would also show Jets full passion didn't come out until there started being a ton of posts saying Lockett is gonna make Pav look stupid. I have seen a few myself that say Lockett will take Pavlik out with in 4 rounds.

[Boro chris]

Well yeah, I mean shit Joes been a champion for like 10 years, right?
And Pavlik has just won his first belt that he's yet to even make one defense of. So in the same regard, it's very tiring to hear the elitist Joe fans always ridiculing him, and to see Joe getting a pass by those same posters for calling Pavlik out once a week, when all of those guys claim Pavlik to be not much more than garbage.

Joe's calling out Pavlik I believe because he feels he's got great name recognition and is Taylor made for him stylisticaly. Basically he feels Pavlik is a bit overated.
Personally I feel that Joe's slowing down a bit and not punching with much of his old authority. The time to catch Joe could be now(ish).
I personally would love to see a Pavlik/Calzaghe clash and think it would be fairly competitive, and I dont understand why some people think Pavlik is garbage. Slow maybe, and vulnerable in the early rounds certainly but he's better than most of Joe's previous opponents. (Eubank and Kessler the exceptions)

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no i was not disrespecting you in person. i meant in general. everyone i talk to is writing lockett off but yet noone can tell me anything about lockett. i never said you showed lockett any disrespect. hopefully you can make it to the fight mate:good

The question still remains my man, can YOU tell me anything about Lockett.

Here's what I've been able to learn. At the first stages of his career he was looking very promising, until he lost very unexpectadly to a Russian fighter, a loss he avenged btw. Then he has had injury problems over the years and his career seemed to be in a downward spiral. People tell me that when he has appeared of lately he's usually the walk-out bout fighter on a ****** card. I had other posters tell me that after his injury problems, he'd all but disappeared and then out of the blue, here he is with this fight with Pavlik. All info given to me by UK posters.

[ad82]

Well JetSki does get a little passionate sometimes. He is for one who I consider President of the ESB Pavlik Fan Club. He has posted pictures of his Pavlik memerobilia collection that's is quite large and impressive. He will always, the same as Joe C fans do for Joe, back Pavlik with full passion.

But if you check his posts, both he and I started respectfull threads about Lockett for learning purposes of him, and I'm betting it would also show Jets full passion didn't come out until there started being a ton of posts saying Lockett is gonna make Pav look stupid. I have seen a few myself that say Lockett will take Pavlik out with in 4 rounds.
I havn't seen many people say Lockett will win let alone take him out early! But there are always people who see things others don't. You seem very respectful and articulate which is good to see on here. This forums a great place to catch up on news have a debate or just talk boxing. I'm not into smack talk (what's the f*cking point in acting touch over the net?!?!) so I leave people like that alone.

Anyway, enough rambling! I respect anyones opinion as long as there's some basis for it and it's not just a rant! I'm actually a big fan of Pavlik..he had me screaming at the telly in his last 2 fights! But Lockett shouldn't be overlooked, i'm looking forward to the fight.

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Joe's calling out Pavlik I believe because he feels he's got great name recognition and is Taylor made for him stylisticaly. Basically he feels Pavlik is a bit overated.
Personally I feel that Joe's slowing down a bit and not punching with much of his old authority. The time to catch Joe could be now(ish).
I personally would love to see a Pavlik/Calzaghe clash and think it would be fairly competitive, and I dont understand why some people think Pavlik is garbage. Slow maybe, and vulnerable in the early rounds certainly but he's better than most of Joe's previous opponents. (Eubank and Kessler the exceptions)

Your posts have always been very fair, and I've meant to compliment you on this before now.:good

But that's the thing, too, as you said above he's calling out a fighter that is young, not yet prime, and inexperienced. Only reason to fight him would be for name recognition from UK's general perspective.

I say if Joe wants Pavlik so bad, make the 160 limit, same as KP, and lets see how the fight goes.:hey

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I havn't seen many people say Lockett will win let alone take him out early! But there are always people who see things others don't. You seem very respectful and articulate which is good to see on here. This forums a great place to catch up on news have a debate or just talk boxing. I'm not into smack talk (what's the f*cking point in acting touch over the net?!?!) so I leave people like that alone.

Anyway, enough rambling! I respect anyones opinion as long as there's some basis for it and it's not just a rant! I'm actually a big fan of Pavlik..he had me screaming at the telly in his last 2 fights! But Lockett shouldn't be overlooked, i'm looking forward to the fight.

I can guarantee you that the long time Pavlik faithful, are not simply overlooking Lockett, and that includes JetSki, as I have talked with him about this. I'm fairly sure his "rant" in some cases were brought on by stupid rants against Pav.

[Hermit]

It's funny how people are writing Lockett off...they obviously have just looked up boxrec and not seen him fight.

Gary's a good boxer, with great power and he will be in fantastic shape. Yes he's an underdog but people are writing him off because they havn't seen him, not because of how good a boxer he is.
Well, there have been many calls for pointers to film. The only stuff I have seen is too old to be useful. That leaves us with level of competition. I have watched Pav/Tay 2 back to back with the Kessler/Cal fight. I don't get where people think Cal has faster hands than Taylor. Let alone Kessler. I know people like to rag on Taylor, but fighting that level of competition has helped Pavlik. Gary may get to do a little sparring with Joe C, but that isn't the same as fighting him. That could/should put him at a disavantage. Again, if you know of any links to recent events, please post them.

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Well, there have been many calls for pointers to film. The only stuff I have seen is too old to be useful. That leaves us with level of competition. I have watched Pav/Tay 2 back to back with the Kessler/Cal fight. I don't get where people think Cal has faster hands than Taylor. Let alone Kessler. I know people like to rag on Taylor, but fighting that level of competition has helped Pavlik. Gary may get to do a little sparring with Joe C, but that isn't the same as fighting him. That could/should put him at a disavantage. Again, if you know of any links to recent events, please post them.

:good Good post Hermit, and good to see you!!:p

You and Boo are much better at these debates than I am, plus I'm off to work, so if you have the time hold the fort down til' I get back ol' buddy.

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Well, there have been many calls for pointers to film. The only stuff I have seen is too old to be useful. That leaves us with level of competition. I have watched Pav/Tay 2 back to back with the Kessler/Cal fight. I don't get where people think Cal has faster hands than Taylor. Let alone Kessler. I know people like to rag on Taylor, but fighting that level of competition has helped Pavlik. Gary may get to do a little sparring with Joe C, but that isn't the same as fighting him. That could/should put him at a disavantage. Again, if you know of any links to recent events, please post them.
The only link on youtube i've found is Lockett's one loss. That's not a great reference as it was at 154lbs and Lockett has improved and grown up since then.

I've seen Lockett fight many times though and he's a good boxer with good fundamentals. He also can whack so Kelly will have to watch out for that. Add in the fact that he'll be superfit running around the welsh valleys with Enzo Calzaghe killing him in the gym after and it shapes up for a good fight.

Yes, Kelly's the favourite but writing someone off when you've never seen them fight is a bit silly. You'll just have to wait until fight night.

[Boro chris]

Your posts have always been very fair, and I've meant to compliment you on this before now.:good

But that's the thing, too, as you said above he's calling out a fighter that is young, not yet prime, and inexperienced. Only reason to fight him would be for name recognition from UK's general perspective.

I say if Joe wants Pavlik so bad, make the 160 limit, same as KP, and lets see how the fight goes.:hey

Cheers! As for Joe making the 160 limit...Ain't gonna happen. :D
I doubt if he could make 168 either.Maybe a 170 catchweight? Also I don't believe Pavlik is inexperienced.....Hard fights against Zuniga and x2 Taylor, also exposing Miranda for what he really is. (an unskilled but dangerous brawler) means that he's been through the fire a number of times. I believe he's calling Pavlik out not because he's inexperienced but because he feels he's a better than this fairly famous fighter and that Pavliks style is made for him. Also it would generate a lot of cash and interest either side of the Atlantic.
Btw has Pavlik shown much interest?

[Hermit]

I will try. Can't say work has been in abundance and kind to me as of late, but if I can I sure will.
Good luck to you. I'm getting called back to a job that was 'eliminated' after 7 months. Kind of like shock therapy. Won't be around as much starting next week.

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Cheers! As for Joe making the 160 limit...Ain't gonna happen. :D
I doubt if he could make 168 either.Maybe a 170 catchweight? Also I don't believe Pavlik is inexperienced.....Hard fights against Zuniga and x2 Taylor, also exposing Miranda for what he really is. (an unskilled but dangerous brawler) means that he's been through the fire a number of times. I believe he's calling Pavlik out not because he's inexperienced but because he feels he's a better than this fairly famous fighter and that Pavliks style is made for him. Also it would generate a lot of cash and interest either side of the Atlantic.
Btw has Pavlik shown much interest?

At first, no. But here recently he actually has, and some comments by Arum, as well as the fact they have Pav lined up next against a Calz stable mate, could suggest we may indeed see this on coming to fruition after all.

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Good luck to you. I'm getting called back to a job that was 'eliminated' after 7 months. Kind of like shock therapy. Won't be around as much starting next week.

A[Only registered and activated users can see links] man! Glad to hear about your work though, but the Pavlik faithful needs your knowledgeable posting skills to keep things in "check" around here. So please come in as often as possible, and help us out. Boo usually gets some serious points thru with great #'s and facts to back up what he's saying as well.

[Hermit]

Btw has Pavlik shown much interest?
Kelly did mention him in his April 1 press conference. Let me see if I can find the link....
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“I’d love to fight Joe Calzaghe, if it ever happens,” he said of the light-heavyweight. “He has a big fight [April 19] with Bernard Hopkins, so that will have some bearing on the possibility if he wins.”

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Hmmm... Lockett... he's Euro-class at best. To be honest, he's not fought enough ranked contenders to see how he'll cope. His WBO rating is misleading because it's another case of ****** fiddling the rating to get his fighter a shot.

He is strong and he can box a little, but I don't think he has the movement or speed to cause Pavlik problems in the way Taylor did in their rematch.

If he lands clean and solid shots a couple of times, it may be a different story. I think it might go to points, but you never know when two guys that hit hard get in there.

I expect Lockett will give a good account of himself, winning the later rounds but not doing enough. Kelly will take a clear UD... 9-3.

Thank you for the info on Lockett and a very good and fair analysis. :good

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Alright, Hermit, it's all yours. I'll rejoin the cause about 4-5 PM ET. Respect to Lockett for coming over to fight in a packed AC BoardWalk Hall against the recognized MW Champion of the world. I'm sure neither man is taking it lightly and will give good accounts of themselves.

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ha ha good one. kelly gets his bald head beated all night long. pavlik does not move enough for joe. easy UD for joe IMO

kelly is too easy to hit end of

Umm, weren't you saying the same thing about the Pavlik v Taylor fight? I believe you were slightly errored in your thinking.

[booradley]

Based on Jack Leow's assesment of Lockett, and some things I've read, I expect to see a fight very similar to Pavlik/Zertuche. Pavlik KO8 Lockett. BUT, all this talk of writing Lockett off is silly. NEVER write off a guy who can bang. On paper Tommy Hearns beats Iran Barkley 10 times out of 10, but that ain't what happened in the ring. Moorer won ever minute of every round right up until Big George knocked his ass out! On a much lower level, but more recently, Ross "The Boss" Minter beat Freddy Curiel half to death, and then with less than a minute to go Curiel scored a truly stunning KO. And, how about Vera TKO7 Lee!! This is boxing! ANYTHING can happen, and that's what makes it the greatest sport in the world.
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Boo

[Hermit]

Based on Jack Leow's assesment of Lockett, and some things I've read, I expect to see a fight very similar to Pavlik/Zertuche. Pavlik KO8 Lockett. BUT, all this talk of writing Lockett off is silly. NEVER write off a guy who can bang. On paper Tommy Hearns beats Iran Barkley 10 times out of 10, but that ain't what happened in the ring. Moorer won ever minute of every round right up until Big George knocked his ass out! On a much lower level, but more recently, Ross "The Boss" Minter beat Freddy Curiel half to death, and then with less than a minute to go Curiel scored a truly stunning KO. And, how about Vera TKO7 Lee!! This is boxing! ANYTHING can happen, and that's what makes it the greatest sport in the world.
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Boo
Most of the people writing him off have never seen him fight, and that seems to be almost every one. It could be that he has a manager that needs to be fired by way of a bullet between the eyes. OK that seems harsh. The guy has gotten him title shot. :lol: