View Full Version : Why is everyone calling out Kelly Pavlik?
MasterFlo
04-10-2008, 11:55 AM
It seems in every little boxing news story that everyone wants a piece of Pavlik. In fact most people calling him out aren't even in his weight class, Joe and Chad Dawson are 2 weight classes above him and both talk about fighting him. How many possible Pavlik matchups have we heard? Even heard people talking of Pavlik-Mayorga, Richardo would actually be killed in the ring, why even speculate this one?
JETSKI
04-10-2008, 11:57 AM
Like you said, they are in higher wt classes & think they would have a chance against this "one-dimensional" fighter who in reality would knock them cold as a pickle.
:deal
fitzgeraldz
04-10-2008, 11:59 AM
Kelly Pavlik is in the transition of becoming a star ... and I think that he will brirng Boxing back to non cable TV.
thewoo
04-10-2008, 11:59 AM
He seems easy to beat for them. Like Jetski said, he is seen as one dimensional with nothing more than a big punch. They probably feel that they are more skilled and that their size would get them through if he does land a bomb or 2. Plus he is a big name. There really aren't any names at 168 or 175 that will give that kind of payday
BewareofDawg
04-10-2008, 12:01 PM
A. Pavlik is NOT one dimensional
B. He is not easy to beat
C. Fighters see him as a star now, or becoming a star. Those are few and far between in boxing
thewoo
04-10-2008, 12:02 PM
A. Pavlik is NOT one dimensional
B. He is not easy to beat
As an outsider you can see these things. Imagine that you were a champ 2 weights above him though. Don't you think that you would be confident enough to think that he would be an easy win?
9Ball
04-10-2008, 12:16 PM
Errrm, money surely?! He is very marketable at the mo'.
Until JC takes his belts that is :yep
Montero
04-10-2008, 12:23 PM
Guys like Chad Dawson are calling him out because nobody knows who he is and he desperately needs a big name on his resume. Calzaghe probably just thinks he can outbox him. I personally don't think Pavlik and Calzaghe should fight because they are in two completely different stages of their careers. Pavlik needs to fight guys like Abraham - young fighters still working their way up. Calzaghe should go after guys like Roy Jones (or Tarver, if he beats Woods) - big names/former champs on their way out.
MasterFlo
04-10-2008, 12:24 PM
JC would have to fight at 160 to take his belts. Anyway I do hope Kelly gets big enough to get boxing on free TV more often. And I'm glad people think he's one dimensional because we all know he's not. He out banged the biggest believed banger at 160 and he out boxed the "better" boxer in Taylor.
jaywilton
04-10-2008, 12:28 PM
Because he's white-and they'll make a lotta gelt for the fight.And Pavlik will lose....the trash talk end of it.
Hermit
04-10-2008, 12:33 PM
Errrm, money surely?! He is very marketable at the mo'.
Until JC takes his belts that is :yep
Joe is going to fight at 160? They would have to wheel his dehydrated ass into the ring on his death bed. It isn't your kipper you are smoking. Well, it could be depending on what you think a kipper is if it parallels your boxing insight.
JETSKI
04-10-2008, 12:43 PM
He seems easy to beat for them. Like Jetski said, he is seen as one dimensional with nothing more than a big punch. They probably feel that they are more skilled and that their size would get them through if he does land a bomb or 2. Plus he is a big name. There really aren't any names at 168 or 175 that will give that kind of payday
Kelly could walk in at 160 & he would KO Dawson at 175. Size has nothing to do with it. They think they can out-box KP & it just wouldn't happen. Pavlik is a smart fighter, who could figure any skilled fighter out to gain an advantage.
They would be DOOMED taking him on. Can't wait to see those match ups. Then we'll see who's right & who's wrong.
:good
BewareofDawg
04-10-2008, 12:45 PM
As an outsider you can see these things. Imagine that you were a champ 2 weights above him though. Don't you think that you would be confident enough to think that he would be an easy win?
Yeah, I see what your saying.
Nalian
04-10-2008, 12:53 PM
To answer the initial question.
Everyone is calling out Kelly Pavlik because American boxing fans generally believe him to be something special which of course he is not.
He'll carry on beating b-listers for a while in Taylor, Abraham, Miranda etc...
Soon as he faces an elite like Calzaghe thats when the hype will end.
Hype = Money
He's the current 160 champ, the man of the moment it makes sense to throw his name into the mix.
be honest the only middleweight match worth watching is Pavlik - Abraham and that won happen anytime soon.
Calzaghe - Pavlik is a great fight.
JETSKI
04-10-2008, 12:59 PM
To answer the initial question.
Everyone is calling out Kelly Pavlik because American boxing fans generally believe him to be something special which of course he is not.
He'll carry on beating b-listers for a while in Taylor, Abraham, Miranda etc...
Soon as he faces an elite like Calzaghe thats when the hype will end.
Hype = Money
And neither are your posts anything special.
cardstars
04-10-2008, 01:03 PM
A. Pavlik is NOT one dimensional
B. He is not easy to beat
C. Fighters see him as a star now, or becoming a star. Those are few and far between in boxing
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl nice new avatar dude. Did you make that? :lol:
Boro chris
04-10-2008, 01:05 PM
Pavliks a very good fighter who's been promoted as an exceptional fighter. He's been called out by others because he's seen as low risk/high reward. Not entirely my view but quite a few fighters don't seem that impressed.
BewareofDawg
04-10-2008, 01:07 PM
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl nice new avatar dude. Did you make that? :lol:
Nah bro....credit goes to Relentless :good He made it sick though right :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
fitzgeraldz
04-10-2008, 01:13 PM
Only person that can beat Kelly Pavlik is himself ... he's only 25 and he hasn't hit his prime yet ... I think it'll be a while before he loses and he's going to be used as a marketing tool to bring boxing back to regular TV ... he's white, and he's american - from a blue collar background.
Bigcat
04-10-2008, 01:16 PM
I think its because Kelley looks like any ordinary joe in the street, you just can't measure heart and desire by looking at a man.. Pavlik gives em a quick reminder once he puts a few touches on em..
JETSKI
04-10-2008, 01:24 PM
I think its because Kelley looks like any ordinary joe in the street, you just can't measure heart and desire by looking at a man.. Pavlik gives em a quick reminder once he puts a few touches on em..
Exactly. Look what happened to the scary looking muscle bound Jeff Lacey. Who wants to fight a guy built like that, everyone thinks? But the truth is, muscles don't mean squat in boxing. Its all about leaverage, & thats one thing Kelly has got on his punches.
So when they look at that bird cage chest Kelly has, they think its gonna be easy.
Keep thinking that way, opposition.
Rico Spadafora
04-10-2008, 01:30 PM
It seems in every little boxing news story that everyone wants a piece of Pavlik. In fact most people calling him out aren't even in his weight class, Joe and Chad Dawson are 2 weight classes above him and both talk about fighting him. How many possible Pavlik matchups have we heard? Even heard people talking of Pavlik-Mayorga, Richardo would actually be killed in the ring, why even speculate this one?
Easy Answer. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ And as long as Pavlik keeps winning he is going to make a ton of it in his career.
Hermit
04-10-2008, 01:39 PM
Pavliks a very good fighter who's been promoted as an exceptional fighter. He's been called out by others because he's seen as low risk/high reward. Not entirely my view but quite a few fighters don't seem that impressed.
At the top levels, I'm sure these guys really believe they can go against anyone. If not, they may be in the wrong business.
BITCH ASS
04-10-2008, 01:43 PM
To answer the initial question.
Everyone is calling out Kelly Pavlik because American boxing fans generally believe him to be something special which of course he is not.
He'll carry on beating b-listers for a while in Taylor, Abraham, Miranda etc...
Soon as he faces an elite like Calzaghe thats when the hype will end.
Hype = Money
He is good, but he's not ready for Calzaghe or Dawson.
That's ridiculous.
He needs to improve his footwork and boxing. He's getting to the point where he might need a new trainer.
Pavlik is an intelligent guy, but he seems a bit stubborn, so I would recommend Freddy Roach.
Tettsuo
04-10-2008, 01:45 PM
They're calling him out because he seems very beatable.
He seems to be easy to hit and not too fast. The problem they'll face is he can take a punch and give a good one back.
robpalmer135
04-10-2008, 01:48 PM
simple. to be the man you have to beat the man. Pavlik is the man between 175lbs and 160lbs even with Calzaghe and Hopkins and the rest.
A white guy that can knock people means huge money.
Bodysnatcher
04-10-2008, 01:54 PM
Pavlik's size is also a factor.
He looks way bigger than a natural middlweight and is clearly going to move up as his career progresses.
Only his youth enables him to make 160, imho, and he'll be a super-middle soon.
The size difference between Calzaghe, Pavlik and Dawson isn't huge.
Being able to make a certain weight doesn't mean that weight is your natural weight, eg, Williams fighting at welter.
So this situation can't be compared to say, Taylor fighting Spinks and Ouma.
mattress
04-10-2008, 02:08 PM
Kelly could walk in at 160 & he would KO Dawson at 175. Size has nothing to do with it. They think they can out-box KP & it just wouldn't happen. Pavlik is a smart fighter, who could figure any skilled fighter out to gain an advantage.
They would be DOOMED taking him on. Can't wait to see those match ups. Then we'll see who's right & who's wrong.
:good
:patsch
Rico Spadafora
04-10-2008, 02:50 PM
He is good, but he's not ready for Calzaghe or Dawson.
That's ridiculous.
He needs to improve his footwork and boxing. He's getting to the point where he might need a new trainer.
Pavlik is an intelligent guy, but he seems a bit stubborn, so I would recommend Freddy Roach.
True Pavlik is not ready for Calzaghe but Dawson? Dawson has a Glass Jaw and it would get shattered by Pavlik @ 168 or 175 it makes no difference.
Strike
04-10-2008, 02:56 PM
Kelly could walk in at 160 & he would KO Dawson at 175. Size has nothing to do with it. They think they can out-box KP & it just wouldn't happen. Pavlik is a smart fighter, who could figure any skilled fighter out to gain an advantage.
They would be DOOMED taking him on. Can't wait to see those match ups. Then we'll see who's right & who's wrong.
:good
Yeah me too, you will be wrong and I will right. Calzage would win near every round in a total shut out.
JETSKI
04-10-2008, 03:15 PM
Yeah me too, you will be wrong and I will right. Calzage would win near every round in a total shut out.
Tell us something we don't know.
YOUR ALWAYS RIGHT.
Go have another Guinness.
Strike
04-10-2008, 03:20 PM
Tell us something we don't know.
YOUR ALWAYS RIGHT.
Go have another Guinness.
When have I been wrong? Off the top of your head?
You are just insanely biased because Pavlik is White, American and of Eastern European heritage. You being a self confessed racist who is white, American and of Eastern European heritage he is like your dream come true.
I don't even like Calzaghe but can see he would whip Pavlik. I don't like PBF and I am a big Hatton fan, but I predicted a late TKO win for PBF because it was pretty fucking obvious.
robpalmer135
04-10-2008, 03:33 PM
Pavlik and Calzaghe are more natural at light heavy than Dawson
booradley
04-10-2008, 06:31 PM
Kelly has fought at MW his whole career..
Do your research before you start running off at the keyboard. Pavlik has fought from 147-170, and all points in between. He has fought above the middleweight limit 13 times. All together he has spent more than one-third of his career fighting at weights OTHER THAN 160. Just the facts pal!
Boo
tays001
04-10-2008, 06:46 PM
because they are underestimating him. and thats bad.
booradley
04-10-2008, 09:08 PM
because they are underestimating him. and thats bad.
:yep :yep
Because he's white-and they'll make a lotta gelt for the fight.And Pavlik will lose....the trash talk end of it.
he's white AND bald :think
I would love to see Pavlik Dawson in the future... in a smallish ring.
curmudgeon
04-10-2008, 11:43 PM
His only legitimate opponent at 160 at this moment is Abraham.
If he does not fight AA, he should move to 168.
Everyone who is considered a big name is worth calling for. It all boils down to $$$$$.
denilo
04-11-2008, 06:43 AM
simple. to be the man you have to beat the man. Pavlik is the man between 175lbs and 160lbs even with Calzaghe and Hopkins and the rest.
A white guy that can knock people means huge money.
Come on. Dont call a guy who currently fight at 160 - who havent met anyone remotely elite at either 168/175 for the man. Respect him for his heart and for what he did at 160, I too would like to see him at 168 soon, but dont be ridiculous.
jsimps
04-11-2008, 08:22 AM
Pavliks a very good fighter who's been promoted as an exceptional fighter. He's been called out by others because he's seen as low risk/high reward. Not entirely my view but quite a few fighters don't seem that impressed.
Personally, I think it's just the opposite of that, high risk/ low reward. The chances of someone getting KO'd is a lot higher than the average and if Kelly should happen to lose, people will just say he was over-rated.
booradley
04-11-2008, 12:48 PM
Everbody and their cousin has been calling Pavlik out because his star is on the rise, and most people underestimate him BADLY. Let's not forget MANY of the most knowlegable posters on ESB picked Miranda to starch Pavlik early or at least by mid-rounds. The same thing happened with Taylor. The majority picked Taylor to win a UD. Many said JT would box circles around Kelly. Some acted as if it wouldn't even be competetive. Before the rematch there were still throngs of doubters, and many who acted as if Kelly just got lucky in the first fight.
Bronco Mckart challenged Kelly for the NABF title because he thought that was the EASIEST way to get back on top! Emmauel Steward thought Pavlik/Taylor-I would only be competetive for 2 rounds, and then still had Andy Lee beating Kelly by the end of this year. All the Irish boys had Duddy winning by KO for christ's sake!
Kelly is easily one of the most under-rated fighters in the world today, and he has been throughout his career. I hope these trends continue. It makes beig a Pavlik fan a lot of FUN!
Boo
Adaptation
04-11-2008, 01:05 PM
Taylor a b lister? mmm im not so sure. People underestimate taylor too much
Hermit
04-11-2008, 04:28 PM
Taylor a b lister? mmm im not so sure. People underestimate taylor too much
Yeah. We need him to get back in the ring soon at 168 and we can see what he has. The 168 crowd has long contended he can't contend at that weight. We shall see.....
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