It is likely Calzaghe can stop Hopkins in 4 rounds, somewhat easily...

[China_hand_Joe]

The question is though, should he?

Imagine Calzaghe stops Hopkins in one...Hopkins was totally shot if that happens.


Given the option available to Joe Calzaghe in what manner should he dismantle/school Hopkins in order to gain the most credit?

[PrideOfWales]

Let Hopkins punch him constantly in the face for 12 minutes knowing full well that he doesn't have the power to do any serious damage then explode in the 5th round to deck and finish 'nard.

[JMotrain]

Joe couldnt stop Manfredo in one (hell he couldn't stop him in 3), he isn't stopping Hopkins in one either.

[cardstars]

'Nard has never been stopped before keep in mind.....I am predicting tko 8 or 9

[onourway]

I think he should break his left hand in the first round and then school him with just his right hand for the rest of the fight.

[China_hand_Joe]

Joe couldnt stop Manfredo in one (hell he couldn't stop him in 3), he isn't stopping Hopkins in one either.

Mario Veit, Byron Mitchell and many others were a load better than Mandredo.

[China_hand_Joe]

I think he should break his left hand in the first round and then school him with just his right hand for the rest of the fight. I should have had this option on the poll.

[Fedor Em]

CHJ you will be so humbled after this fight that you will go get that tattoo on Hopkins on your ass out of shame. :good

[JMotrain]

Nard will foul or do something illegal if he gets hurt badly. Besides that, I think Hopkins has a good chin, so I don't really see Calzaghe KOing him.

And I hate to break it to you, but Mario Veit isn't Hopkins.

[mattress]

As usual Joe is not going to get any credit stateside whatever the technique or result. It's going to be a tough fight for both men and whoever emerges victorious will get my full praise and respect.

[PrideOfWales]

'adapting'

:rofl

[KilltheKing]

Mario Veit, Byron Mitchell and many others were a load better than Mandredo.

Veit's a bum, Mitchell was a hometown stoppage, and Hopkins is twice the fighter of either.

[Decebal]

He gets most credit if Hopkins has time to give his very best, and just as he is starting to decline a bit, performance-wise, he's taken out. Something like rounds 5-6 rounds of lacying, before the stoppage. Except that I cannot see a lacying in this fight, because of styles.

Boxing is like bullfighting. If you have a good, honest, courageous, bull, which charges bravely and truly, you can put in a great show as a matador. If the bull doesn't play ball, even if you're the best in the world, you will look like shit with the cape.

[PedroDePacas]

I won't take the bait, I'll just say this: if there are going to be threads like this for the next week, I might be better off avoiding ESB until after the fight.

[KilltheKing]

I won't take the bait, I'll just say this: if there are going to be threads like this for the next week, I might be better off avoiding ESB until after the fight.


If Joe In The Plastic Bubble gets KO'd it will be a ghost town ....

[BlueApollo]

Boy, this is going to be one sad place when the Hopkins SD cards get read.

[cardstars]

BHop is going to get embarassed and retired. I'm extremely confident

[PedroDePacas]

Boy, this is going to be one sad place when the Hopkins SD cards get read.
I predict a lot of whining if that is the outcome.

Man I used to like Calzaghe, now (through no fault of his) I can't even stand to hear his name.

[coog]

I just do not see A Joe KO over Hopkins maybe a ref stoppage after 8

[BlueApollo]

I just do not see A Joe KO over Hopkins maybe a ref stoppage after 8

Maybe in Wales.

[sues2nd]

I hope CHJ doesnt disappear after Calzaghe loses....I mean, I would LOOOOVE to hear his breakdown of how Joe lost.

[PrideOfWales]

I actually think it may be time for a change of username for C_h_J as Calzaghe's hands have held up well of late.

[larryx]

stupid thread you think joe is fighting his son or something

[RUSKULL]

I predict a lot of whining if that is the outcome.

Man I used to like Calzaghe, now (through no fault of his) I can't even stand to hear his name.

Oh stop Rico Sauvé, we've all heard that tune before;

"It's not the fighter I hate but it's his fans.................."

Fuckin' dweeb.............

[Speak.King]

Echols couldnt knock Bernard out. NUFF SAID

[sues2nd]

Echols couldnt knock Bernard out. NUFF SAID

99% of these Calzaghe fanatics have never seen ONE round of a prime Antwun Echols...who was an absolute MONSTER!!! And one of the most dangerous punchers I have seen at MW.

And he never even hurt Hopkins (other than the body slam)....

They have NO I DE A!!!

[Speak.King]

99% of these Calzaghe fanatics have never seen ONE round of a prime Antwun Echols...who was an absolute MONSTER!!! And one of the most dangerous punchers I have seen at MW.

And he never even hurt Hopkins (other than the body slam)....

They have NO I DE A!!!you know boxing my friend.:happy

[Fat Joe]

99% of these Calzaghe fanatics have never seen ONE round of a prime Antwun Echols...who was an absolute MONSTER!!! And one of the most dangerous punchers I have seen at MW.

A murderous puncher by all accounts.

[seandegraw]

might just be the dumbest one yet! looks like this guys mouth is attached 2 calzaghes dick

[sues2nd]

A murderous puncher by all accounts.

:yep

[sues2nd]

you know boxing my friend.:happy

:thumbsup

I try...:D

[hellblazer]

Hopkins UD Calzaghe

[drvooh]

As usual Joe is not going to get any credit stateside whatever the technique or result. It's going to be a tough fight for both men and whoever emerges victorious will get my full praise and respect.
Some may even feel that toward the loser

[huki]

99% of these Calzaghe fanatics have never seen ONE round of a prime Antwun Echols...who was an absolute MONSTER!!! And one of the most dangerous punchers I have seen at MW.

And he never even hurt Hopkins (other than the body slam)....

They have NO I DE A!!!
You still can't understand that Hopkins isn't what he was back then? :D

I would be pretty surprised if Calzaghe stopped Hopkins in 4 rounds, but not shocked or anything like that. After rewatching the Winky fight I can't see Hopkins lasting the distance in this fight. When you consider how shot he looked in that fight against a B level opponent (past-prime Winky at 170 is B level at best) and how this fight against a 100% motivated true top P4P fighter is nearly a year after that, it's completely possible that Hopkins gets blown out in the first half.

[PedroDePacas]

Oh stop Rico Sauvé, we've all heard that tune before;

"It's not the fighter I hate but it's his fans.................."

Fuckin' dweeb.............
So I'm not allowed to get sick of wading through neverending bullshit like the premise of this thread?

[sues2nd]

You still can't understand that Hopkins isn't what he was back then? :D

I would be pretty surprised if Calzaghe stopped Hopkins in 4 rounds, but not shocked or anything like that. After rewatching the Winky fight I can't see Hopkins lasting the distance in this fight. When you consider how shot he looked in that fight against a B level opponent (past-prime Winky at 170 is B level at best) and how this fight against a 100% motivated true top P4P fighter is nearly a year after that, it's completely possible that Hopkins gets blown out in the first half.

You still cant understand that NOONE looks good vs Winky Wright. :D

Yet Bernard CLEARLY beat him...and hit him cleaner and harder than ANYONE has in over a decade. People point to Winky being old and blownup...yet he was 35 and fighting 3 classes above his prime weight...as opposed to Bernard who was 42 and 2 weight classes above his. The old and blown up thing doesnt hold weight....I mean, they BOTH are above their natural class...they both are old.

Now the people saying these things are also the people knocking Bernard's unbelievable win over Tarver...where he was BLOWN UP and OLD...and shut out and embarrassed the recognized champ at that weight. Doesnt make much sense now does it...

I totally understand that Bernard is past his prime...I have NEVER said differently. But he is not NEEEEEARRRRRLY as "past it" as most of you guys would have people believe. He still has tremendous defense, still has unreal footwork and movement (as attested by the fact that Winky threw 1000+ in the fight before Bernard...and only 400 in it), still has pinpoint accuracy and timing (Winky's shell defense is not predicated by speed or weight...and is among the best of this era...yet he was hit cleaner and harder than he had been in over a decade vs Bernard), still is the smartest fighter alive (arguably ever)....and his stamina is actually BETTER at the higher weight...as he said BEFORE the first Taylor fight that he could no longer make 160 easily and that it would be his swan song there (staying only to avenge his loss....that most felt was a win).

So yes, Bernard is not the fighter he was in his prime. But he is not the faded shell of himself that some are trying to make him out to be as well...

:good

[Decebal]

You still cant understand that NOONE looks good vs Winky Wright. :D

Yet Bernard CLEARLY beat him...and hit him cleaner and harder than ANYONE has in over a decade. People point to Winky being old and blownup...yet he was 35 and fighting 3 classes above his prime weight...as opposed to Bernard who was 42 and 2 weight classes above his. The old and blown up thing doesnt hold weight....I mean, they BOTH are above their natural class...they both are old.

Now the people saying these things are also the people knocking Bernard's unbelievable win over Tarver...where he was BLOWN UP and OLD...and shut out and embarrassed the recognized champ at that weight. Doesnt make much sense now does it...

I totally understand that Bernard is past his prime...I have NEVER said differently. But he is not NEEEEEARRRRRLY as "past it" as most of you guys would have people believe. He still has tremendous defense, still has unreal footwork and movement (as attested by the fact that Winky threw 1000+ in the fight before Bernard...and only 400 in it), still has pinpoint accuracy and timing (Winky's shell defense is not predicated by speed or weight...and is among the best of this era...yet he was hit cleaner and harder than he had been in over a decade vs Bernard), still is the smartest fighter alive (arguably ever)....and his stamina is actually BETTER at the higher weight...as he said BEFORE the first Taylor fight that he could no longer make 160 easily and that it would be his swan song there (staying only to avenge his loss....that most felt was a win).

So yes, Bernard is not the fighter he was in his prime. But he is not the faded shell of himself that some are trying to make him out to be as well...

:good

Hopkins was a natural LHW by the time he fought Winky. Winky was nowhere close to that. And, NO, he didn't beat Winky as clearly as you make it out to be.;)

:good

[sues2nd]

Hopkins was a natural LHW by the time he fought Winky. Winky was nowhere close to that. And, NO, he didn't beat Winky as clearly as you make it out to be.;)

:good

COOOOOMMMMEEEE ON!!!

By that account Tito was a natural MW by the time Bernard beat him. By that account Oscar was a natural MW by the time Bernard beat him.
By that account Michael Spinks was a natural HW by the time Tyson beat him.

Give me a break Dec...

And yes...he did.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Give me a break Dec...

And yes...he did.

Well, in another thread, Amsterdam said he STRUGGLED with Winky...so there you go. :D

[Decebal]

And yes...he did.

Main reason why many people, including myself, are impressed with Hopkins' last couple of performances, beside the cunning, clever stuff he does, is that we KNOW he's 42. At the back of our minds, even if subconsciously, we say: "Damn, he's amazing for a 42 year old!". Consciously, we don't always look at it like that.

Let me ask you this, if Hopkins has been in his mid thirties fighting Tarver and Winky, would he get as much credit as he got, for those performances?

I, personally, don't think so. :good

[Decebal]

Well, in another thread, Amsterdam said he STRUGGLED with Winky...so there you go. :D

Well, fine, if you want to suggest I'm a parrot for whatever Amsterdam says...suit yourself.

I watched that fight 5 times now...I know what I saw.:smooch

[sues2nd]

Well, in another thread, Amsterdam said he STRUGGLED with Winky...so there you go. :D

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

OH GOD...Im not gonna even LOOK for that thread.

Struggled.....:lol:

[sues2nd]

Main reason why many people, including myself, are impressed with Hopkins' last couple of performances, beside the cunning, clever stuff he does, is that we KNOW he's 42. At the back of our minds, even if subconsciously, we say: "Damn, he's amazing for a 42 year old!". Consciously, we don't always look at it like that.

Let me ask you this, if Hopkins has been in his mid thirties fighting Tarver and Winky, would he get as much credit as he got, for those performances?

I, personally, don't think so. :good

So have you given up on that comment about Hopkins being a natural LHW when he fought Winky then???

:huh

And no...the fight was NOT close.

[Decebal]

So have you given up on that comment about Hopkins being a natural LHW when he fought Winky then???

:huh

And no...the fight was NOT close.

No! Did I say I gave up on it?

Look at Hopkins' muscle build. He might not be bigger than a big SMW, like Calzaghe, Bute, Kessler, etc, but he doesn't come in on the night at less than 185, I'm sure of that. He has grown into the new division. It's not like Pavlik jumping up from 165, which he weighs day-in-day out to 185 overnight...(in a couple of months)...

If you compare Hopkins with Diaconu - around 185 on the night, Dawson - around 175 on the night and the big SMW's who come in at 182+...he doesn't looks so small to me, Hopkins...

[Amsterdam]

Well, in another thread, Amsterdam said he STRUGGLED with Winky...so there you go. :D

He did have problems with Wright, otherwise he'd have easily dominated him and looked excellent, like a prime to prime match up would have gone.

[Decebal]

And no...the fight was NOT close.

:lol:

Why, you had it 117-111, didn't you!

[Amsterdam]

No! Did I say I gave up on it?

Look at Hopkins' muscle build. He might not be bigger than a big SMW, like Calzaghe, Bute, Kessler, etc, but he doesn't come in on the night at less than 185, I'm sure of that. He has grown into the new division. It's not like Pavlik jumping up from 165, which he weighs day-in-day out to 185 overnight...(in a couple of months)...

If you compare Hopkins with Diaconu - around 185 on the night, Dawson - around 175 on the night and the big SMW's who come in at 182+...he doesn't looks so small to me, Hopkins...

All of this will be cleared up on the 19th, who cares to debate it anymore. Calzaghe's going to annihilate him and get no credit, end of story.

[Amsterdam]

:lol:

Why, you had it 117-111, didn't you!

I watched it again and re-scored it 7-4-1 for a 116-113 Hopkins.

[Decebal]

All of this will be cleared up on the 19th, who cares to debate it anymore. Calzaghe's going to annihilate him and get no credit, end of story.

Yeah...we're just going round in circles...let's wait for the fight.

[sues2nd]

:lol:

Why, you had it 117-111, didn't you!

116-112 actually.

But why do you keep editting my post to hide that you actually tried to call Hopkins a natural LHW because of his one fight there....is it because that means Hopkins wins vs Tito, Oscar, Winky, etc. ARE THAT MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN YOU WANT TO GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR??? Or that it lends even greater credance to his win over Tarver???

Anyway, how did you score the fight??? 114-114??? :rofl The fight was EASY to score...Hopkins outworked him, landed the cleaner and harder shots, displayed the greater defense throughout, dictated the pace of the fight and WHERE the fight took place...

And I can see a better arguement for 117-111 than I can for 115-113...so...again, it was NOT A CLOSE FIGHT!!!

[Amsterdam]

The point is Sues is that Wright at 170 lacks movement, is totally feather fisted and throughout his entire career, can't deal well with quick handed movers. Most guys 168-175 bulldoze him easily, he's not meant for the weight.

His effectiveness even at 160 dropped significantly from that of 154.

Dropping even 3-4 rounds to Wright is not something a top LHW would do.

How do you think Clinton Woods would have handled the immobile, fat Wright for example?

[sues2nd]

No! Did I say I gave up on it?

Look at Hopkins' muscle build. He might not be bigger than a big SMW, like Calzaghe, Bute, Kessler, etc, but he doesn't come in on the night at less than 185, I'm sure of that. He has grown into the new division. It's not like Pavlik jumping up from 165, which he weighs day-in-day out to 185 overnight...(in a couple of months)...

If you compare Hopkins with Diaconu - around 185 on the night, Dawson - around 175 on the night and the big SMW's who come in at 182+...he doesn't looks so small to me, Hopkins...

So one fight at a weight he had not fought at in over 17 years...and that means he was naturally that weight??? Because he held the weight well and dominated???

:lol:

Hopkins training regimine is second to none....he could go to HW and look good there. That is a testament to the man...but does not mean he is natural there.

Dec...you are better than that...come on.

[Decebal]

Hopkins outworked him, landed the cleaner shots

Compubox Punchstats

Total Punches

Hopkins: landed 152 out of 640; 24%

Wright: landed 167 out of 618; 27%

[Amsterdam]

Compubox Punchstats Total Punches Hopkins Wright Landed 152 167 Thrown 640 618 Pct. 24% 27%

Wright actually landed 152?:yep

[Decebal]

So one fight at a weight he had not fought at in over 17 years...and that means he was naturally that weight??? Because he held the weight well and dominated???

:lol:

Hopkins training regimine is second to none....he could go to HW and look good there. That is a testament to the man...but does not mean he is natural there.

Dec...you are better than that...come on.

He's a natural MW that made the transition to LHW very well; he looked like a natural at that weight...testament to the man, etc.

[sues2nd]

The point is Sues is that Wright at 170 lacks movement, is totally feather fisted and throughout his entire career, can't deal well with quick handed movers. Most guys 168-175 bulldoze him easily, he's not meant for the weight.

His effectiveness even at 160 dropped significantly from that of 154.

Dropping even 3-4 rounds to Wright is not something a top LHW would do.

How do you think Clinton Woods would have handled the immobile, fat Wright for example?

1- Wright's game NEVER was predicated by movement. He was always slow footed and plodding...

2- He was also always feather fisted...but again, that is not his game.

3- Im sorry, but Winky Wright is a tough fight for ANYONE! His shell defense, great jab and timing makes it IMPOSSIBLE for a fighter to dominate him.

4- Im picking Tarver vs Woods...Ive always felt Woods was overrated. BUT, I AM PRAYING THAT I AM WRONG (as I cant stand Milkdud and would LOVE to see him lose).

[Decebal]

Wright actually landed 152?:yep

167; Hopkins landed 152.

[klion22]

You still can't understand that Hopkins isn't what he was back then? :D

I would be pretty surprised if Calzaghe stopped Hopkins in 4 rounds, but not shocked or anything like that. After rewatching the Winky fight I can't see Hopkins lasting the distance in this fight. When you consider how shot he looked in that fight against a B level opponent (past-prime Winky at 170 is B level at best) and how this fight against a 100% motivated true top P4P fighter is nearly a year after that, it's completely possible that Hopkins gets blown out in the first half.

I don't know what you're talking about. Hopkins was fresh as a daisy going into the 12th. And he was moving for 12 rounds mind you. It was Winky that was DYING at around the 8th round on because he was taken out of his game plan by Hopkins. He was either chasing Hopkins down or was being bombarded by Hopkins when Hopkins chose to come in and throw combinations and clinch.

Winky was pretty much domiated IMO. He had nothing on his punches. Hopkins landed a bunch of solid right hand leads. He even buckled Winky in the 1st round. Winky did not look like a top P4P fighter in this fight and that was because Hopkins made him look bad. Yeah, the weight is an issue and somewhat of an excuse but Winky was slightly favored going into the fight.

[klion22]

Compubox Punchstats

Total Punches

Hopkins: landed 152 out of 640; 24%

Wright: landed 167 out of 618; 27%

Winky landed 167 feather punches. Hopkins landed a bunch of HARD and FLUSH shots in this fight. Please, this is a case of useless compubox numbers.

[compukiller]

I can't wait until BHOP retires Calzaghe.

[sues2nd]

Compubox Punchstats

Total Punches

Hopkins: landed 152 out of 640; 24%

Wright: landed 167 out of 618; 27%

Nice try!!!

Please post the jab numbers and power punches for the real story.

Thanks...:good

[Amsterdam]

1- Wright's game NEVER was predicated by movement. He was always slow footed and plodding...

But quick handed with excellent stamina and could shuffle around the ring at deceptive speed. He looked plainly slow at 170, much slower than against Jermain Taylor.

2- He was also always feather fisted...but again, that is not his game.

Right, but not totally feather fisted, he had enough power to make guys get off of him per say, to back guys up and to even surprising stun a few well chinned fighters here and there.

Thus why I said 'especially feather fisted', meaning that the post-160 fighters would just toy with him, being that he's now more immobile and now don't have to worry about being outmuscled.

3- Im sorry, but Winky Wright is a tough fight for ANYONE! His shell defense, great jab and timing makes it IMPOSSIBLE for a fighter to dominate him.

I highly disagree, the top 5 at 168 would easily deal with him. Even Pavlik will just bulldoze him at this point.

I say this because the harder guys hit as you go up in weight, the more that shell defence becomes more unrealistic, plus he's always been open to the body and without a strength advantage, like he had at the lower weights, it takes much of his game out.


4- Im picking Tarver vs Woods...Ive always felt Woods was overrated. BUT, I AM PRAYING THAT I AM WRONG (as I cant stand Milkdud and would LOVE to see him lose).


Even though Tarver has just shown massive vulnerability to two journeymen?

[sues2nd]

167; Hopkins landed 152.

143 of Hopkins 152 were powershots.

87 of Winky's were jabs.

Again, Hopkins outworked him and landed the CLEANER HARDER SHOTS!!!

[Decebal]

Nice try!!!

Please post the jab numbers and power punches for the real story.

Thanks...:good

Don't have them, mate.

Any stats you care to mention wouldn't justify 116-112.

And since when do jabs don't count?

[klion22]

143 of Hopkins 152 were powershots.

87 of Winky's were jabs.

Again, Hopkins outworked him and landed the CLEANER HARDER SHOTS!!!

Cleaner and harder shots mean nothing to people who want to see things a certain way no matter what the actual facts are. Maybe they were persuaded by Lederman's completely biased scoring in favor of Winky. And he even had it a draw. :lol:

The scoring by the judges were just. 117-111 to 116-112. Domination.

[sues2nd]

Don't have them, mate.

Any stats you care to mention wouldn't justify 116-112.

And since when do jabs don't count?

I found them...read above.

Compubox is all well and good, but only tells PART of the story...especially when you only have PART of the stats!

:good

[teke]

[quote=China_hand_Joe]The question is though, should he?

quote]:lol::lol::rofl:rofl

Should he :lol::lol:

[Decebal]

I found them...read above.

Compubox is all well and good, but only tells PART of the story...especially when you only have PART of the stats!

:good

If those stats justified 117-111, then Winky would have had to hit him 3/1 to win.:roll:

[klion22]

If those stats justified 117-111, then Winky would have had to hit him 3/1 to win.:roll:

Man, you have to look at how much force or power is in those punches. Watch the fight again. Winky had nothing on his punches. He was off balanced from round 1 on. He continually had to reach and was out of position when he threw. Hopkins was in command. He was the one who was in control of the ring from the start. He dictated the flow. He made Winky chase. He chose when to initiate the action and when not to. And when he did, he landed flush shots. Winky did not have a plan B. His plan was to pump that great jab of his and cover up and just come forward. It didn't work because Hopkins had a plan to counter that.

[sues2nd]

If those stats justified 117-111, then Winky would have had to hit him 3/1 to win.:roll:

What are rounds scored on???

Clean Punching
Defense
Effective Aggression
Ring Generalship

WITH THE EMPHASIS ON CLEAN PUNCHING!!!

If someone is throwing jabs and being countered with HARD POWERSHOTS then who does the round go to???? Its not how many you land...because go watch the fight and count how many times Winky landed clean with his....you can use your hands and feet and keep you shoes on doing it (Im kidding...kinda). You should really watch the fight for a 6th time with this in mind...you may backtrack on it being a CLOSE FIGHT!

[Amsterdam]

What are rounds scored on???

Clean Punching
Defense
Effective Aggression
Ring Generalship

WITH THE EMPHASIS ON CLEAN PUNCHING!!!

If someone is landing jabs and being countered with HARD POWERSHOTS then who does the round go to???? Its not how many you land...because go watch the fight and count how many times Winky landed clean with his....you can use your hands and feet and keep you shoes on doing it (Im kidding). You should really watch the fight for a 6th time with this in mind...you may backtrack on it being a CLOSE FIGHT!

Come on brother, let's just relax and mellow out, enough of this heavy capitalisation strong debating. Nothing matters, nothing ever did, let's all be happy, it'll make our lives better in the end and a happy life is a life worth living and enjoying, creating a purpose.

[sues2nd]

Come on brother, let's just relax and mellow out, enough of this heavy capitalisation strong debating. Nothing matters, nothing ever did, let's all be happy, it'll make our lives better in the end and a happy life is a life worth living.

(I'm an alcoholic and enjoy it).

Oh no WORRIES!!! I still love you and Dec!!

You guys are cool shits...even if ya boy is gonna lose next weekend.

:good

[Amsterdam]

Oh no WORRIES!!! I still love you and Dec!!

You guys are cool shits...even if ya boy is gonna lose next weekend.

:good

Sure, that's why both of you cunts deleted me from MSN.:bart

[sues2nd]

Sure, that's why both of you cunts deleted me from MSN.:bart

I never had you on MSN...in fact, Im not sure Ive even signed in on mine in years...

:D

[RUSKULL]

So I'm not allowed to get sick of wading through neverending bullshit like the premise of this thread?

You're allowed to hate on whoever you want, just don't play that "I used to like him but his fans............" bullshit.

I'm a Joe fan & I think Calzagne will win by UD, not by knockout. In fact I've already stated that if the fight ends in a KO it's more likely Hopkins would get the KO rather than Joe.

Both these fighters have their diehard fans but it's no excuse to hate on the fighter himself.

[MetroMan]

Calzaghe won't be stopping Hopkins. Hopkins can't let that happen after all the stuff he's said! :lol:

[Stickandmove]

Nard will foul or do something illegal if he gets hurt badly. Besides that, I think Hopkins has a good chin, so I don't really see Calzaghe KOing him.

And I hate to break it to you, but Mario Veit isn't Hopkins.

Exactly. BHop's got an iron chin - he's never been remotely close to being stopped. If Roy Jones Jr, Glen Johnson, Felix Trinidad and Antonio Tarver failed to even deck or seriously hurt BHop...........I doubt that Calzaghe will stop him. Unless Bhop has depreciated markedly and Calzaghe is a beast at light heavyweight............even then, it will be a late stoppage IMHO.

[Stickandmove]

He gets most credit if Hopkins has time to give his very best, and just as he is starting to decline a bit, performance-wise, he's taken out. Something like rounds 5-6 rounds of lacying, before the stoppage. Except that I cannot see a lacying in this fight, because of styles.

Boxing is like bullfighting. If you have a good, honest, courageous, bull, which charges bravely and truly, you can put in a great show as a matador. If the bull doesn't play ball, even if you're the best in the world, you will look like shit with the cape.

Nice analogy :thumbsup BHop is more likely to fill the role of the matador in this fight. But Calzaghe will hopefully be far more than 'a bull in a china Hand Joe shop'. The matador is getting battered in this fight, but he'll go out on his shield.

[Stickandmove]

I actually think it may be time for a change of username for C_h_J as Calzaghe's hands have held up well of late.

Don't speak too soon. With Calzaghe's increased power at light heavyweight he's at increased risk of damaging them again.

That is BHops only chance IMHO.

[Stickandmove]

99% of these Calzaghe fanatics have never seen ONE round of a prime Antwun Echols...who was an absolute MONSTER!!! And one of the most dangerous punchers I have seen at MW.

And he never even hurt Hopkins (other than the body slam)....

They have NO I DE A!!!

Yeah but Echols was hardly a world beater. Calzaghe - Echols would probably have panned out like Calzaghe - Byron Mitchell.

[Stickandmove]

What are rounds scored on???

Clean Punching
Defense
Effective Aggression
Ring Generalship

WITH THE EMPHASIS ON CLEAN PUNCHING!!!

If someone is throwing jabs and being countered with HARD POWERSHOTS then who does the round go to????

So, if Calzaghe lands 500 'slaps' and BHop manages 50 clean, hard shots in the fight..........................we could conceivably see BHop win on points.

[Dorfmeister]

99% of these Calzaghe fanatics have never seen ONE round of a prime Antwun Echols...who was an absolute MONSTER!!! And one of the most dangerous punchers I have seen at MW.

And he never even hurt Hopkins (other than the body slam)....

They have NO I DE A!!!

Actually Kid Dynamite Echols was 22-2-1, 22 KOs and dropped Hopkins with one of those monster shots while the ref was holding Bernard's arms down on the break and in the 1st round, 10th defense of the IBF title. Actually that was the famous fight Hopkins landed 27 of 28 ( round 7 - 96% connect rate) and scholled him right till the 9th when he wobbled him with a left... Echols was so tired and discouraged at the end of the 11th that his trainer had to convince him to go on.

Echols was 24-3-1, 23 KOs and was USBA, NABF MW Champ and on HBO B.A.D. for the rematch... Hopkins really did a job on that Iowa kid by punching him "by accident" on the back of the head in round 2 and Tony Weeks didn't take a point away. As a result, Echols lost it completely and picked him up and slammed him in the fifth ( lost two points but should have been disqualified as Bernard's right arm/shoulder could have been damaged). In the seventh, Hops would catch him with a big counter left hook and make him go across the ring and through the ropes...The fight would be stopped in the 10th.

Of course, Echols was twice the man Calzaghe is and punched hard for real... After all, Antwun stopped Sheika in three, didn't he?... Calzaghe has a ghost of a chance to hurt Bernard.

[Decebal]

So, if Calzaghe lands 500 'slaps' and BHop manages 50 clean, hard shots in the fight..........................we could conceivably see BHop win on points.

Sure...117-111 to Bhops!:D

[sues2nd]

Actually Kid Dynamite Echols was 22-2-1, 22 KOs and dropped Hopkins with one of those monster shots while the ref was holding Bernard's arms down on the break and in the 1st round, 10th defense of the IBF title. Actually that was the famous fight Hopkins landed 27 of 28 ( round 7 - 96% connect rate) and scholled him right till the 9th when he wobbled him with a left... Echols was so tired and discouraged at the end of the 11th that his trainer had to convince him to go on.

Echols was 24-3-1, 23 KOs and was USBA, NABF MW Champ and on HBO B.A.D. for the rematch... Hopkins really did a job on that Iowa kid by punching him "by accident" on the back of the head in round 2 and Tony Weeks didn't take a point away. As a result, Echols lost it completely and picked him up and slammed him in the fifth ( lost two points but should have been disqualified as Bernard's right arm/shoulder could have been damaged). In the seventh, Hops would catch him with a big counter left hook and make him go across the ring and through the ropes...The fight would be stopped in the 10th.

Of course, Echols was twice the man Calzaghe is and punched hard for real... After all, Antwun stopped Sheika in three, didn't he?... Calzaghe has a ghost of a chance to hurt Bernard.

Cant really count that shot as DROPPING Hopkins tho. He was unable to defend himself, the ref was HOLDING his arms down and it was during a break and ruled no KD. But both fights, tho dirty as hell, were tremendous to watch.

BTW tho, it was Brewer that he stopped in 3 not Sheika.

But come on...Calzaghe is 30x the fighter Echols is...but not nearly the puncher (tho not many were in Antwun's prime).

[Mrboogie23]

Actually Kid Dynamite Echols was 22-2-1, 22 KOs and dropped Hopkins with one of those monster shots while the ref was holding Bernard's arms down on the break and in the 1st round, 10th defense of the IBF title. Actually that was the famous fight Hopkins landed 27 of 28 ( round 7 - 96% connect rate) and scholled him right till the 9th when he wobbled him with a left... Echols was so tired and discouraged at the end of the 11th that his trainer had to convince him to go on.

Echols was 24-3-1, 23 KOs and was USBA, NABF MW Champ and on HBO B.A.D. for the rematch... Hopkins really did a job on that Iowa kid by punching him "by accident" on the back of the head in round 2 and Tony Weeks didn't take a point away. As a result, Echols lost it completely and picked him up and slammed him in the fifth ( lost two points but should have been disqualified as Bernard's right arm/shoulder could have been damaged). In the seventh, Hops would catch him with a big counter left hook and make him go across the ring and through the ropes...The fight would be stopped in the 10th.

Of course, Echols was twice the man Calzaghe is and punched hard for real... After all, Antwun stopped Sheika in three, didn't he?... Calzaghe has a ghost of a chance to hurt Bernard.


granted Echols hit much harder then Joe but Echols isnt close to the calibre of fighter that Joe is either.

I dont think Joe will stop him but I can see him winning a convincing decision.

[Dorfmeister]

Cant really count that shot as DROPPING Hopkins tho. He was unable to defend himself, the ref was HOLDING his arms down and it was during a break and ruled no KD. But both fights, tho dirty as hell, were tremendous to watch.

BTW tho, it was Brewer that he stopped in 3 not Sheika.

But come on...Calzaghe is 30x the fighter Echols is...but not nearly the puncher (tho not many were in Antwun's prime).

Correct, it was Brewer and not Sheika... Actually Echols was down 3 times in round 2 but stops Brewer and that was right after the second loss to Hops. I don't know about the correct term but Nard went down and landed on the seat of his shorts and was on the move from that point on. I liked the 4th round of the second Allen fight better - two low blows on the blind side of Rudy Battle and a punch on the bell and Allen three times down - Bernard really makes me laugh...

Yes, Calzaghe is much better than Echols was and I never said otherwise... But Echols was a big puncher just like Lacy was so I really can't understand about the TKO in 4... They can't really believe in what they're sayin... Calzaghe was a good puncher when he came with everything against Manners and Delaney back in 95 and 96 but he was just a kid and had his hair dyed blond. No, Calzaghe doesn't have all that much in his punches... Just that he really throws those side punches very, very fast.

[MasterCalzaghe]

Veit's a bum, Mitchell was a hometown stoppage, and Hopkins is twice the fighter of either.

Mitchell was a home town stoppage?

You're new here and I should give you the benefit of the doubt but.......Have you even see the entire fight!?!?!?! Thought not! :-(

[Fat Joe]

Of course, Echols was twice the man Calzaghe is

Be serious.

[sues2nd]

Be serious.

Rereading it, I think he meant in terms of power...:good

[Dorfmeister]

Mitchell was a home town stoppage?

You're new here and I should give you the benefit of the doubt but.......Have you even see the entire fight!?!?!?! Thought not!

I counted 40 punches without return and Mitchell unsteady on his legs, losing his footing at the end, not to mention that he had nothing to say against it afterwards... It wasn't a home town stoppage but it was a tremendous comeback and proved his fighting heart whithout a shadow of a doubt.

[Dorfmeister]

Be serious.

Obviously I meant in terms of strength because he could have knock ya out with either hand. I was not talking about courage, fighting heart or determination... But you have to consider that Calzaghe was the underdog against 5'9'' tall Lacy just due to the american's power and that was in 2005... Again, Echols stopped in 3 a guy that went 12 with Calzaghe.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not sure what thread it was on but to my admittedly uneducated eye, BHOP looked old and slow in the workout he was doing in preparation for Winky.

[SweetScience]

No

[platnumpapi]

joe aint ko hopkins he cant even beat him.is this thread serious or just to poke fun i think poke fun.have fun fuckers.

[China_hand_Joe]

I'm not sure what thread it was on but to my admittedly uneducated eye, BHOP looked old and slow in the workout he was doing in preparation for Winky.#

The vision of this fight I have is one where Hopkins simply cannot react in time to do anything about most of Calzaghe's punches. He might end up overwhelmed anywhere within the first four rounds.

[Fat Joe]

#

The vision of this fight I have is one where Hopkins simply cannot react in time to do anything about most of Calzaghe's punches. He might end up overwhelmed anywhere within the first four rounds.

Did you think BHop looked past it on that video? A lot of people have said on here that Calzaghe's padwork is full of bad habits etc, but he seemed a lot more dynamic than the technically correct Hopkins.

[Fat Joe]

#

The vision of this fight I have is one where Hopkins simply cannot react in time to do anything about most of Calzaghe's punches. He might end up overwhelmed anywhere within the first four rounds.

I posted a thread on this subject a while back and was met mostly by ridicule.

[tays001]

what kinda of bullshit mindless thread is this ? im a jc fan and picking him to beat hopkins by stoppage in 10 but this is just disrespectful to B-hop as a fighter .

[Dynamite Kid]

The question is though, should he?

Imagine Calzaghe stops Hopkins in one...Hopkins was totally shot if that happens.


Given the option available to Joe Calzaghe in what manner should he dismantle/school Hopkins in order to gain the most credit?

Your not to bright are you:smoke

[Toopretty]

First, Calzaghe does not punch...he slaps..Second, Bhop is not some statue figurine like these other meat head fighters that Calzaghe has fought. All slow, all non mobile. You will be surprised how Bhop throws Calzaghe's whole straight ahead offense off with his own LATERAL movement that Calzaghe the clumsy goof is not that good at. He only can bounce back and forth

[sues2nd]

Did you think BHop looked past it on that video? A lot of people have said on here that Calzaghe's padwork is full of bad habits etc, but he seemed a lot more dynamic than the technically correct Hopkins.

Joe's pad work was flashy...but technically sloppy. He looked fast and strong...but was throwing VERY flatfooted, very upright and dropping his guard seconds before he would go into any combo. And if I could see this...ya think Bernard couldnt?

(BTW, I am a HUGE Calzaghe fan...he is one of my all time favorite fighters...has been since the Eubank fight....)

Bernard on the other hand looked MUCH MUCH slower than Calzaghe, but his guard was perfect, attacked any openning his trainers left for him, as well as perfectly countered anything thrown at him...and unlike Calzaghe's workout...his trainers were randomly throwing shots, not telling him when and where to throw (or when and where they were going to throw). He also showed how good he is at showing different angles and using different types of footwork and movement.

I know you said that to your untrained eye it looked old and slow (Im not trying to knock you here...not in the slighest..)...but to ANYONE who knows enough about the sport to be able to pick up on these things...it was a masterful open media workout.

I think maybe you should watch it again and not look for flash and speed and look for what your supposed to look for in training...technique.

:good

[psychopath]

in 4 rounds ????

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

. . . JC will spend the whole 12 rounds chasing Bhops.

He can't K.O. Bhops . . . he can only win by points . . . round by round.

[Johnnyblaze]

how about he lets bernard break him down over the course of 12 rounds and then make up an excuse for the loss like a broken hand?

seriously, if he ko's bernard i'd eat my socks.......both of them.

[Fedor Em]

how about he lets bernard break him down over the course of 12 rounds and then make up an excuse for the loss like a broken hand?

seriously, if he ko's bernard i'd eat my socks.......both of them.

Same here, it is not gonna happen. Hopkins is gonna be right there all night long and winning rounds to boot.

[China_hand_Joe]

Did you think BHop looked past it on that video? A lot of people have said on here that Calzaghe's padwork is full of bad habits etc, but he seemed a lot more dynamic than the technically correct Hopkins.


Hopkins looked past it against Wright.

You have people in here claiming Calzaghe has no head movement and is flatfooted now based on video of padwork (ignoring every single one of his pro fights)!

[Max Molyneux]

Hopkins struggling against Echols and losing to Taylor suggests Calzaghe will easily splatter Bernard.

Bernard like most Americans can;t pronounce his name right.

[C Money]

I've got a better chance of stepping into a BLACKHOLE just outside my doorstep, than of a Calzaghe TKO in 4 rounds or less:cool:

[China_hand_Joe]

I would say Calzaghe TKO 2 if I were being more honest about my view.

I am however a coward and playing it safe with this within four rounds thing.