Tommy Morrison vs Floyd Patterson

[Longhhorn71]

It is June 1959, and 190 lb Floyd defends against 225 lb Tommy Morrison instead of Ingo.

Assume the Morrison of the Foreman fight who could box and punch.

Does Floyd's leaping left hook get Tommy, or does Morrison's "industrial grade left hook" bounce Floyd off the canvas numerous times?

[SuzieQ49]

Floyd Patterson KO 2, Morrison out cold. no contest.

[Russell]

Morrison's chin wasn't bad, methinks. If his is, so is Pacquiao's.

He could be caught, but he could get off the canvas, multiple times, over the course of ten rounds. He showed that against Puritty.

He could box, and win, contests with shattered bones, like he did against Hipp.

Chin wasn't THAT bad. I'd honestly say Floyd's was worse.

[SuzieQ49]

Chin wasn't THAT bad. I'd honestly say Floyd's was worse.

Was floyd knocked out by Michael Bennt in one round?

[mr. magoo]

Could go either way depending on who lands first, but Floyd would have my vote.

[Russell]

Was floyd knocked out by Michael Bennt in one round?

You don't think he could if he got Floyd on the ropes like he did Morrison? :lol:

Guy could whack, obviously.

[SuzieQ49]

That's another thing.....why is morrison getting the shit knocked out of him by guys like bennt, very average Joe Hipp(I saw seldon-Hipp live), purrity, washed up carl truth.........I mean imagine what floyds handspeed/combination punching will do to morrison.

[Seamus]

Morrison KO 2 or KO 3.

Patterson was too small, too protected and too over-rated as a REAL heavyweight. He was another guy who drifted to the money (who can blame him) and fought nobodies in the worst era the division ever saw, the Patterson-Liston era. Later, he actually got better, but heavyweight boxing had far surpassed him and his improvement.

Not only would Morrison beat him, but Joe Hipp also.

[SteveO]

I pick Floyd by KO.

[ironchamp]

Morrison.

Razor Ruddock had more power in his "smash" than anything Patterson ever threw. Sure Tommy had a questionable chin but so did Floyd.

IMO His offensive ability would simply overwhelm Floyd.

Morrison TKO2

[Musashi]

Obviously Floyd was vastly superior in terms of accomplishments and historical standing. But, head-to-head? Morrison would thump him. 2nd or 3rd rd KO. Maybe even 1st rd. Floyd was the better boxer, but he would get hit eventually, and his chin would fail him.

[ChrisPontius]

Morrison by early knockout.

Both have weak chins, but Tommy punches much, much harder. That left hook of his was devastating, while Patterson always needed to grind his opponent down and rarely got an early stoppage.



By the way, when was the last time Floyd beat a heavyweight over 210 pounds?

[Minotauro]

Floyd is the better boxer, much faster hands and better head movement he is more likely to land big first and more often. Patterson was only stopped by quality fighters I think Floyd would knock Morrison out I see him landing big and fairly often I think Patterson takes this in four rounds.

[mr. magoo]

Was floyd knocked out by Michael Bennt in one round?

Why do you always base your outcomes on one or two bad performances of one fighter? I agree that Floyd would beat the Duke, but anytime, you have a south paw who is a fast starter and can bang like Morrison, anthing can happen. We have to look at styles here, not just what Michael Bentt did to Morrison.

[Vaile]

Morrison has more power, physical strength and a slightly better chin although there is not much in it. Floyd's head movement is better his hands are lightening fast and he hits with accuracy in combinations, it goes without saying that he is the more skillful of the two. It must be said that Tommy while no ATG, is a big guy who can bang very hard. In all honesty i see Floyd getting caught early, he didn't deal with punchers well at all.

[PowerPuncher]

Does Floyd get to use steroids too? Floyd is faster, more skilled, better footwork, better timing. The size question mark is the only real issue, but despite his size/steroid use Morrison has chin issues

[Sonny's jab]

I'm not going to pick a winner because doing so is virtually meaningless and it doesn't prove anything.

But I'm a bit surprised to see people saying Morrison would blast out Floyd.
I think Patterson was the better boxer.

[PowerPuncher]

Morrison has more power, physical strength and a slightly better chin although there is not much in it. Floyd's head movement is better his hands are lightening fast and he hits with accuracy in combinations, it goes without saying that he is the more skillful of the two. It must be said that Tommy while no ATG, is a big guy who can bang very hard. In all honesty i see Floyd getting caught early, he didn't deal with punchers well at all.

Morrison was a poor finnisher, slow and uncoordinated with weak legs. He was lucky to get the stoppage against Rudduck too

[PowerPuncher]

I'm not going to pick a winner because doing so is virtually meaningless and it doesn't prove anything.

But I'm a bit surprised to see people saying Morrison would blast out Floyd.
I think Patterson was the better boxer.

And remember Ingemar Johanson and Chuvalo weren't quite the punchers Morrison was but overall their offense was better

[sthomas]

Morrison by KO, he was always able to connect, he's got serious power and will tag Floyd, and Floyd will fall

[Sonny's jab]

Morrison tended to beat guys who were ridiculously easy to hit, set-ups, shot fighters, and mooses like Foreman and Ruddock.
He had trouble with anyone who was slightly cagey.Even an over-the-hill Carl Williams - who you'd figure as meat for a young left-hooker - gave Morrison problems.

Floyd at his best doesn't present an easy target. The post-Liston Floyd especially. He was a very good boxer. Morrison hits hard enough to knock Patterson out with one punch or effectively end it with one, but so too did Moore, Quarry, Johansson in two rematches, probably Bonavena and Chuvalo too.

I would have thought Patterson being the far better boxer, and capable of KOing Tommy, would make a quick Morrison win most unlikely.

[JohnThomas1]

Was floyd knocked out by Michael Bennt in one round?

Wasn't aware they fought

:D

[SuzieQ49]

Why do you always base your outcomes on one or two bad performances of one fighter? I agree that Floyd would beat the Duke, but anytime, you have a south paw who is a fast starter and can bang like Morrison, anthing can happen. We have to look at styles here, not just what Michael Bentt did to Morrison.


we are looking at styles here. Floyds superior defense/head movement/blocking skills combined with his amazing handspeed/combinations/power in both fists will allow him to get under tommys big wallops and land first.........and when floyd lands he will finish off tommy. Floyd is in a different class. Watchingf some of his fights, you can see Tommy would have a lot of trouble with the peek a boo style, he likes more stationary stand up targets.

[SuzieQ49]

By the way, when was the last time Floyd beat a heavyweight over 210 pounds?


George Chuvalo and charley powell. Johannson and Bonavena were 205lb.

[mr. magoo]

we are looking at styles here. Floyds superior defense/head movement/blocking skills combined with his amazing handspeed/combinations/power in both fists will allow him to get under tommys big wallops and land first.........and when floyd lands he will finish off tommy. Floyd is in a different class. Watchingf some of his fights, you can see Tommy would have a lot of trouble with the peek a boo style, he likes more stationary stand up targets.

This was not your original comment. You said " was Floyd ever knocked out in one round by Michael Bentt?" Therefore, I figured you were looking at a weak performance of Morrison rather than the whole picture in terms of styles. Incidentally, I'd pick Floyd too, but its not out of the question that a fast starting south paw with Morrison's power and aggressivness could beat him. Floyd was a better fighter from a technical standpoint, but if he got hit, its not unreasonable to assume that he'd be in big trouble. Patterson was floored somewhere between 17-20 times in his career and was knocked out or TKO'd on several occasions. He could certainly fall victom to a guy like the Duke, but again, I'd still favor Floyd.

[The Kurgan]

Was floyd knocked out by Michael Bennt in one round?

Yes, he was. However, I don't hold that performance against Patterson. Morrison was not known for his counter-right hand anyway.

I can see Morrison giving Patterson a lot of trouble early on. Morrison was offensively well schooled, obviously had a great left hook, and was a very accurate puncher. I would not be surprised at all if Patterson visited the canvas on multiple occasions.

However, I think Patterson's superior speed, defensive skill and most of all stamina would bail him out of this one. It's worth nothing that, while Morrison has a size advantage, he was never known as a mauler. He rarely initiated clinches, didn't push opponents around (even when they were smaller) and didn't lean on his opponents on the inside. If you've got to face a heavier man, Morrison is the kind of man you want to face.

Floyd was still a very dangerous boxer after four rounds of tough boxing, while Morrison tended to need a second wind by that point. That's when I think Patterson would really start to catch him and take him out

Patterson TKO5 would be what I'd expect.

[mr. magoo]

Patterson TKO5 would be what I'd expect.

Me too, unless Tommy got him first.

[The Kurgan]

Me too, unless Tommy got him first.

There certainly is that possibility. However, I suspect Patterson's defence and Morrison's questionable finishing ability would bail Floyd out most of the time. It would be a real edge-of-your-seat affair, considering their respective power and chin, just like Ruddock-Morrison was.

[mr. magoo]

There certainly is that possibility. However, I suspect Patterson's defence and Morrison's questionable finishing ability would bail Floyd out most of the time. It would be a real edge-of-your-seat affair, considering their respective power and chin, just like Ruddock-Morrison was.

Agreed on all of the above points.

[ChrisPontius]

George Chuvalo and charley powell. Johannson and Bonavena were 205lb.

The Chuvalo fight was very close (a knowlegdeable poster here had him winning), Powel was nothing special.

Johansson of course knocked Patterson silly and Bonavena was another loss. Maybe a controversial one, but it's fair to say that his record against big men was nothing to write home about. Morrison punches harder than all of them, although he doesn't have the stamina or chin of a Chuvalo, obviously.

[ChrisPontius]

Yes, he was. However, I don't hold that performance against Patterson. Morrison was not known for his counter-right hand anyway.

I can see Morrison giving Patterson a lot of trouble early on. Morrison was offensively well schooled, obviously had a great left hook, and was a very accurate puncher. I would not be surprised at all if Patterson visited the canvas on multiple occasions.

However, I think Patterson's superior speed, defensive skill and most of all stamina would bail him out of this one. It's worth nothing that, while Morrison has a size advantage, he was never known as a mauler. He rarely initiated clinches, didn't push opponents around (even when they were smaller) and didn't lean on his opponents on the inside. If you've got to face a heavier man, Morrison is the kind of man you want to face.

Floyd was still a very dangerous boxer after four rounds of tough boxing, while Morrison tended to need a second wind by that point. That's when I think Patterson would really start to catch him and take him out

Patterson TKO5 would be what I'd expect.

You gotta wonder though, would Morrison also fight that way when he faces a 5'11 180lbs opponent? What would happen to Patterson if he takes a flush Morrison left hook when walking to the neutral corner after having been down early?

[SuzieQ49]

The Chuvalo fight was very close (a knowlegdeable poster here had him winning), Powel was nothing special.

Johansson of course knocked Patterson silly and Bonavena was another loss. Maybe a controversial one, but it's fair to say that his record against big men was nothing to write home about. Morrison punches harder than all of them, although he doesn't have the stamina or chin of a Chuvalo, obviously.


Patterson BEAT bonavena, that was a 37 year old floyd. I score the patterson-chuvalo fight 7 rounds to 5 floyd, floyd built an early lead, chuvalo came on strong but it wasnt enough. Ali had patterson winning.


Patterson knocked out johannson silly the fight where johannson was 206lb.


Patterson 4-0 against those guys, spin it anyway youd like.




Tommy Morrison got the shit knocked out of him by Joe Hipp, thats just embarrasing man

[SuzieQ49]

bump

[ChrisPontius]

Patterson BEAT bonavena, that was a 37 year old floyd. I score the patterson-chuvalo fight 7 rounds to 5 floyd, floyd built an early lead, chuvalo came on strong but it wasnt enough. Ali had patterson winning.


Patterson knocked out johannson silly the fight where johannson was 206lb.

Well i said 210+lbs. None of them are.


Patterson 4-0 against those guys, spin it anyway youd like.


You're listing the fight when Johansson was out of shape and because of that he was 206lbs. By the way, since when is that 210+lbs?

When Johansson was in better shape he went even with Patterson.




Tommy Morrison got the shit knocked out of him by Joe Hipp, thats just embarrasing man

And getting knocked down by a man making his pro debut isn't?

[Sonny's jab]

So, if Chuvalo had come in 3 pounds heavier it makes some sort of big difference ?

This obssession with weight is crazy.

[SuzieQ49]

And getting knocked down by a man making his pro debut isn't?


it was a slip, watch it in slow mo......radamachers right never hits patterson, it was a blantant slip if i ever seen one.

[Russell]

Was Morrison ever even knocked out cold?

Against Bennt he was caught cold and kept getting up, flustered.

He almost seemed embarrassed, not stumbling around and punchy.

[joe33]

Morrsion by bead bath and death bed inside 4

[PowerPuncher]

Was Morrison ever even knocked out cold?

Against Bennt he was caught cold and kept getting up, flustered.

He almost seemed embarrassed, not stumbling around and punchy.

Morrison was murdered against Mercer, LITERALLY

[SuzieQ49]

Just watched Morrison against Bentt, wow morrison sucked. Bennt was not southpaw like someone here said.


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morrison is one of the unclassiest guys I have ever heard. Hes got a big mouth to go along with that glass jaw, he even said he would knock out marciano LOL

[red cobra]

Floyd would start off fast, squeaking out the first round, when in the second, a big left hook from Morrison would put him on the canvas. Floyd would get up and finish the round. In the third, Morrison would miss more than connect, trying to deck Floyd again. In the third, Morrison would hurt Floyd with the left, and in trying to end it, would leave himself open for a fast, almost invisible left hook that would drop him. A foggy Morrison would get up only to be finished off in that same round by two beautiful, fast as lightning left hooks. Floyd by ko in round three. You see, Morrison had a fatal ***** in his armor, and that was his chin. I believe that he would probably have been able to reach Floyd's chin and register a knockdown, somewhat like Jerry Quarry did, but unlike Quarry, who had a chin, Morrison would have been totally surprised by Floyd's handspeed and power, and would have gone down and out somewhat like Ingemar Johannson did.

[JIm Broughton]

It's either Morrison early or Patterson late. If Tommy does'nt blow Floyd out in the first couple of rounds then I see Floyd gradually wearing Tommy out and ending it with a well placed left hook(or a couple of hooks) around the 8th or 9th. Could go either way IMO.

[Joe E]

Floyd Patterson via K.O.

[Sister Sledge]

Floyd is a much better fighter than Tommy, and I think he would be smart enough and fast enough to take Tommy to the later rounds and blast him out.

[The Kurgan]

Morrison was murdered against Mercer, LITERALLY

I assume you don't mean literally in the literal sense of the word? :shock:

[The Kurgan]

You gotta wonder though, would Morrison also fight that way when he faces a 5'11 180lbs opponent? What would happen to Patterson if he takes a flush Morrison left hook when walking to the neutral corner after having been down early?

I suspect he would go down again. But, unless one was Sonny Liston, knocking down Patterson was never quite enough.

[ChrisPontius]

Tell that to Johansson.

[The Kurgan]

Tell that to Johansson.

I agree that, if Morrison could get Patterson into that deep a level of trouble, it would be over. But Ingo had to work very hard to finish off Patterson that night, and hard work was something that Morrison was too often adverse to.

Oddly enough, I think the most impressive Morrison performance didn't even exhibit him as a puncher: his outboxing of Foreman, while keeping that chin protected, was excellent. I can understand why people picked Tommy to beat Lewis, because on the basis of that fight one would say he was made to outbox bigger boxers.

[ChrisPontius]

Well it goes to show how over-rated Foreman was in the 90's. He struggled or lost to almost every fighter, and pretty mediocre ones too.

[bumdujour]

morrison by ko 2. just bigger and hit harder.

[SuzieQ49]

morrison by ko 2. just bigger and hit harder.



Keep dreaming,, Morrison might not wake up for a while after this one

[Irish Steel]

Both have questionable chins, however Morrison made up for this with his power. Which Floyd lacked.

That being said Morrison tko2 or 3

[Irish Steel]

Just watched Morrison against Bentt, wow morrison sucked. Bennt was not southpaw like someone here said.


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morrison is one of the unclassiest guys I have ever heard. Hes got a big mouth to go along with that glass jaw, he even said he would knock out marciano LOL

Bennt isnt that bad actually. Wasnt he an alternate to ray mercer on the 1988 olympic team?

[Sardu]

Only the very best were able to knock Patterson down and keep him there. Morrison I believe was too flawed and sloppy to defeat Patterson. He might have some early success but that's all.

Patterson by UD.

[bumdujour]

Keep dreaming,, Morrison might not wake up for a while after this one

Coming from a guy who thinks up stuff along the lines of a "fred fulton would have ko´d mike tyson" i truely cherish your opinion:lol:

actually, you picking patterson kinda makes morrison a lock to win this one.

[Samurai]

Which Floyd lacked.

What?:blood

[Irish Steel]

What?:blood

Patterson didnt have tremendous power, not on Morrisons level.

[OBCboxer]

Patterson didnt have tremendous power, not on Morrisons level.

You need to start reading more before posting. :good

Patterson had a much better left hook than Morrison.

Patterson knocked Ingemar out for five full minutes, had him dazed and out on his feet for 15 minutes.

[ChrisPontius]

To those predicting an early knockout for Patterson:

When did Patterson ever produce a knockout in 3 rounds or less against top opposition?

How many men over 210 pounds did Patterson knock out? How many of them early ?



Let me know.

[Holmes' Jab]

I reckon Paterson gets off the floor to stop Morrison in the mid-rounds. Floyds speed, movement and skills allied with his underrated power would cause Morrison problems. His chin may not have been great but he rose up from the canvas quite a lot against heavy hitting bigger men and it mostly took the kichen sink to keep him there. Morisson hits hard but not in Liston or even Johansson's league in terms of power or finishing.

Patterson TKO6.

[rendog67]

really hard one you have a superior boxer in floyd, but im going for tommy who would have been a monster back then to knock him out

[SuzieQ49]

Coming from a guy who thinks up stuff along the lines of a "fred fulton would have ko´d mike tyson" i truely cherish your opinion:lol:

actually, you picking patterson kinda makes morrison a lock to win this one.


LOL I rank mike tyson in my top 4 heavyweights ever head to head, I dont even think much of fred fulton. Where do you come up with this stuff? :patsch

[SuzieQ49]

To those predicting an early knockout for Patterson:

When did Patterson ever produce a knockout in 3 rounds or less against top opposition?

When did Morrison ever knockout a fighter of floyds skill level? When did morrison ever produce a knockout in 3 rounds or less against TOP opposition?





How many men over 210 pounds did Patterson knock out? How many of them early ?



Let me know.


Charley Powell, a former NFL player who was a bit like a bob satterfield. Either he knocked you out, or you got to him first. he was 6'4 213lb. Ingemar Johannson was 207lb and floyd flattened him in 6.