Tony Canzoneri - where do you rate him ?

[Sonny's jab]

Among the all-time greats where does he stand ?

(Pound-for-pound, or in any of the relevant weight classes.)

[McGrain]

I have him one below Monzon, one above Ketchel, just inside the 25 (#25) all time, pound for pound. I'm happy with that, as happy as I get when ranking a fighter I don't know inside out.

Where do you have him Sonny?

EDIT: When did I start calling you "Sonny" like that is your frigging name?

[Minotauro]

19

[Manassa]

#15.

[McGrain]

#15.

High, high.

[Manassa]

High, high.

And rightly so.

[Smith]

Im just getting through my personal list right now of a top 50, and although it is not finito I have him roughly 33rd/34th right now. I'll get the list up when Im done, but everything is sketchy right now. Ive intentionally not looked at others top 50's/100's until mines is done. Tony may move up or down.

[Sonny's jab]

I have him one below Monzon, one above Ketchel, just inside the 25 (#25) all time, pound for pound. I'm happy with that, as happy as I get when ranking a fighter I don't know inside out.

Where do you have him Sonny?


I dont have a list. But I think he'd definitely be on a pound-for-pound top 30 if I did one. Perhaps even top 20.

He's one of my favourites. I've seen a little bit of footage of him (v.Ross, v.Berg) and he impresses me. He's got an attractive style.

Would you rate him top 5 in any particular weight division ?


EDIT: When did I start calling you "Sonny" like that is your frigging name?

Folk call me that round here.

[Dempsey1238]

Top ten pretty easy imo.
He has fought over 19 or so Hofer's and has won most of them.

Had classic wars with Ross, McLarin, and Dundee. He has a stronger resume than Ali or even Benny Leonard imo.
Just looking at his record, and you see hofers after hofers on there.

[McGrain]

I dont have a list.

I've heard you say this before. I think you sercretly want one. :D

Go on, have a go.


Would you rate him top 5 in any particular weight division ?

No. I don't think I would actually. Lightweight would be the one and I don't think he makes it...Does he appear on any of old-timer all time lists?

[Sonny's jab]

Top ten pretty easy imo.
He has fought over 19 or so Hofer's and has won most of them.

Had classic wars with Ross, McLarin, and Dundee. He has a stronger resume than Ali or even Benny Leonard imo.
Just looking at his record, and you see hofers after hofers on there.

Good points. He might well be worthy of a place in the top 10 on closer inspection. He's so often overlooked these days.

How about in the specific weight divisions ? Where do you think he should place at lightweight, for example ?

[Sonny's jab]

I've heard you say this before. I think you sercretly want one. :D

Go on, have a go.



Problem is, there are loads of fight films out there I haven't got. Knowing I'm ignorant about some of those fighters makes it difficult to write a list I find convincing.

No. I don't think I would actually. Lightweight would be the one and I don't think he makes it...Does he appear on any of old-timer all time lists

I think so. I think I've read he was rated around 6 or 7 by Nat.

[McGrain]

Problem is, there are loads of fight films out there I haven't got. Knowing I'm ignorant about some of those fighters makes it difficult to write a list I find convincing.

Here's the thing - it's never final. Mine is evolving all the time. I'm up to 55 that i'm pretty happy with now.



I think so. I think I've read he was rated around 6 or 7 by Nat.


Well that's kind of my point - you asked about top 5's? I would see him in the mix for a top 10 spot at Lightweight, unquestionably.

[Sonny's jab]

Here's the thing - it's never final. Mine is evolving all the time. I'm up to 55 that i'm pretty happy with now.


True enough. I'll endeavour to begin working on one.
:good


Well that's kind of my point - you asked about top 5's? I would see him in the mix for a top 10 spot at Lightweight, unquestionably

Yeah, that sounds fair.
I think top 10 at lightweight. Probably somewhere between 15 and 30 on a pound-for-pound list. But that's open to revision, of course.

[McGrain]

Probably somewhere between 15 and 30 on a pound-for-pound list. But that's open to revision, of course.

That would be the range. I personally would tighten it up to 17-28 based upon what I have.

[Ted Spoon]

Right up there.

It's a vague description and applies to all fighters, but Canzoneri may have been a victim of timing with regards to his recognition today.

After Armstrong, Canzi' was the most valuable gem amongst Ross, McLarnin and Ambers, who somewhat stole his historical thunder with their own campaigns.

Ring age is what got to Canzi' in his series with Ambers and McLarnin, and he was quite unlucky to lose such close fights with Ross, encouraged by low blows.

During his peak, in his early 20's, Canzoneri was totally unique, both in appearance and style - a wedged upper body with a hairy chest, and a see-sawing movement with low hands, a looping left and piston right.

Whether Canzi' knocked you silly with his right, or just out smarted you in his deceptive manner, he took the scalps from a pick n' mix of the eras best.

Not as smart or quick as Gans or Leonard, as ferocious as Duran, as powerful as Williams or elusive as Whitaker, but he took a good portion of all those traits and rightfully stands side by side with the best.

Tony Canzoneri was the complete package.

[mightyd40]

15-20 depending on how i feel at any given time.

[Sweet Pea]

#19

[McGrain]

#19

What range do you think is fair?

For example i've specified 17-28.

[Drew101]

Think I had him in my Top 30, circa #25.

[Sweet Pea]

What range do you think is fair?

For example i've specified 17-28.That's plenty fair, I just feel he has one of the more exceptional resumes of all time.

[Jack Dempsey]

In the low 20's

[Bummy Davis]

He was one of the best, would have a chance on a good night vs anyone. In the top 5-10

[McGrain]

In the top 5-10

Lightweight or ever?

[redrooster]

#44 on my list

[Sweet Pea]

I rate him much higher than Hector "The Faggot" Camacho.

[brooklyn1550]

I had him 17th the last time I did a list