What are the 5 fights you've watched most? Restrict yourself to FIVE please.

[McGrain]

And why if you feel like it!

[BlueApollo]

LOVE IT. This is going to be fun.

Hopkins - Trinidad. Arrival.
Toney - Holyfield. Mastery.
Castillo - Corrales I. Bravery.
Foreman - Ali. Boumaye.
Toney - Jirov. Steward.

Oh, ohhhhhh, OHHHHHHHHHHH, he's down!

[bigtime-skills]

Tito-Vargas I
Tito-Mayorga (the crowd in anticipation of his return and the electricity)
Coralles-Castillo I (and I STILL say WOW everytime)
Tyson-Douglas
Leonard-Hagler

[Caper]

Tito vs Vargas
Castillo vs Corrales
Burton vs Elder
Bell vs Mormeck I
Toney vs Jirov

[platnumpapi]

hopkins vs calzghe - wait until you see what happen in that fight

calzaghe vs lacy - beat down 101, instrutor joe calzaghe !

tito vs joppy - man the fight was funny as hell, neva seen destruction like that.

mayweather vs gatti - perfection

toney vs peter 1 - toney won that fight

marquez vs varques 3 - need i say more

[Rumsfeld]

Probably...

Tyson-Douglas
Bowe-Golota II
Barrera-Morales I
Hagler-Hearns
Ali-Foreman

[PacDbest]

Pac-Mab 1
Pac-EM2
Pac-Ledwaba
Pac-EM3
Pac-vs anybody else

[mightyd40]

tyson-spinks (my fav ever at his peak)


judah-spinks 2( my favorite active fighter, kinda ahhh till the ko but i love it everytime)


gatti-gamache (my friends fav is gatti and he is obsessed with this ko, he burst out into laughter everytime, i have to remind him that gatti is just mediocre everytime haha)


castillo-corrales 1(i usually have a few friends over for every fight but everyone was busy for this one so i watched it in my house by myself and am so thankful i did, i now get to bust on everyone for missing one of the greatest fights of all time)


hearns-duran( love the ko not a fan of duran so i enjoy this)

[mightyd40]

Pac-Mab 1
Pac-EM2
Pac-Ledwaba
Pac-EM3
Pac-vs anybody else
there is boxing outside of pac :lol:

[Johnnyblaze]

1. corrales/Castillo 1-I watch it at least once a week
2. mayweather/gatti
3. calzaghe/lacy
4. jones/hall
5. trinidad/vargas-how vargas got up from that first left hook in round 12 is beyond me!!!

[Sweet Pea]

there is boxing outside of pac :lol:He knows! There's other guys out there as well, like Donaire, Boom Boom, Penalosa, etc.

[andyZOR]

Bowe-Golota I - One of the greatest boxing rivals in history. Great 2 peice trilogys.

Bowe-Golota II - See above

Adamek-Briggs I - FOTY canidate, one of the best Light Heavyweight fight's i've ever seen. Warriors.

Adamek Briggs II - See above

Tyson-McNeeley - Funny as fuck :lol:

All fights i've watched a lot.

[Relentless]

Cotto - Judah
De la Hoya - Mosley 1
tito - vargas
cotto - mosley
jcc - taylor

[thespecialone]

Corrales - Castillo - War
Calzaghe - Lacy - Masterclass
Vasquez - Marquez trilogy - Need i say more
Jones Jr - Griffin - Revenge
Hatton - Maussa - Comedy

[cardstars]

Hagler/Hearns
Tyson/Berbick (its ALWAYS on tv :lol: )
SRL/Duran I
Barrera/Morales trilogy
Hagler/Mugabi

I had to add in Corrales/Castillo, I forgot that I have seen that MANY times

[Punisher33]

Brewster/Liakhovich
Brewster/Wlad 1
Peter/Wlad
Sanders/Wlad
Vitali/Lewis

[9Ball]

1. Corrales/Castillo - Just an amazing battle with the best finish ever!!
2. MAB/Morales 1 - Pure adrenaline aAction from start to finish.
3. Calzaghe/Lacy - Boxing lesson (PBF/Gatti could also go here)
4. Hatton/Tszyu - Hattons pressure was astounding.
5. Ali/Foreman - It should have been called 'The rumble in the jungle' ;)

However limiting people to just 5 choices is plain cruel!!

:cool:

[Antwuan Maxx]

1. Corrales vs. Castillo I
2. Vasquez-Marquez trilogy
3. Pacquiao-Morales 3
4. Trinidad-Vargas
5. De La Hoya-Mosley I

Calzaghe-Kessler gets a lot of play too.

[glscotland]

Castillo - Corrales I.
Vasquez - Marquez 3
hatton-tsyzu-cos big hatton fan!
ward vs gatti 1
Ali-Foreman

[McGrain]

Some great choices. No Roy Jones, or do my yes decieve me?!

Anyway:


1 - Charley Burley v Oakland Billy Smith

It seems this is the only exsisting footage of Burley. Fast, fast, fast, perfect balance, good feet. But what impresses me most is that he's basically a welter, and he's in with a light-heavy, who was regarded as a real banger, and Burley looks like the puncher in the fight. Lazer guided. Monster.


2 - Juan Manuel Marquez v Manny Pacquiao I

I love it! A modern masterpiece, two world class fighters and as dramatic a first round as exsists in boxing, and the guy who geats smashed up comes back for the draw. I never get sick of it. And it's easy on my eye, because I, too, scored it a draw.


3 - George Foreman v Muhammad Ali

I'm not a big fan of Ali, but this one is undeniable. Is it the best "across the board" fight plan ever concucted? Probably not, but it must be the best ever execution. "...he's got him! He's got him! And I don't think Foreman's going to get up! Oh my God, he's won the title back at thirty-two.


4 - Muhammad Ali v Joe Frazier

No two men ever gave more. I wish Joe had won one.


5 - Joe Louis v Max Baer.

Machine.

[Irländsk]

Bowe-Golota 1+2

Gatti-Ward 1

Hagler-Hearns

Ali-Frazier 1+2

Taylor-Pavlik 1

[McGrain]

Bowe-Golota 1+2

Gatti-Ward 1

Hagler-Hearns

Ali-Frazier 1

Taylor-Pavlik 1


:twisted:

This is six you fucker. I EVEN PUT FIVE IN THE TITLE OF THE FUCKING THREAD. EDIT THIS IMMEDIATLY.

[lokethunder]

trinidad-vargas
lewis-tyson
gatti-ward I
clay-bey-ettiene
tua-ike

[Irländsk]

:twisted:

This is six you fucker. I EVEN PUT FIVE IN THE TITLE OF THE FUCKING THREAD. EDIT THIS IMMEDIATLY.It was that cunt punchdynamo editing my posts and adding fights to my list. You have my apology.

[they_killed_kenny]

1- Cotto-Torres - awesome back and forth action where my man Torres could not take no more
2- Brewster-Golota -just cause my wife keeps saying "Damn that Tyson guy is good" everytime i play it:yep
3- Trinidad - DLH - i just like this one
4 - Mayorga-Forrest 1- Same thing, my wifes said "that guys should fight that tyson dude, i think the crazy fucker would win" :yep
5 - Pac- Barrera 1 -just cause i like to see MAB getting to' up

[THN]

Ali-Foreman
Ali- Frazier
Holeyfield- Tyson
Kessler-Andrade
Kessler- Calzaghe

[McGrain]

It was that cunt punchdynamo editing my posts and adding fights to my list.

What a bastard.

[Golden Thunder]

From what I can remember it has to be these...

1. The Rumble in the Jungle - Pure class Boxing.

2. Felix Trinidad v Oscar De La Hoya - Great fight all round, I'm still convinced Oscar should have won.

3. Micky Ward v Arturo Gatti 3 - Need I say more about these two warriors

4. Erik Morales v Marco Antonio Barrera 3 - Superb 3rd fight is a exciting triolgy

5. Joe Calzaghe v Jeff Lacy - Need a lesson in Boxing? Watch this.

[BlueApollo]

Brewster/Liakhovich
Brewster/Wlad 1
Peter/Wlad
Sanders/Wlad
Vitali/Lewis

I've given Brewster - Wlad plenty of play also. I'm a sucker for improbable comebacks. :good

[MetroMan]

Ali-Foreman
Douglas-Tyson
Lennox-Vitali
Calzaghe-Lacy
Lyakhovich-Brewster

[sugarngold]

Julio Cesar Chavez-Meldrick Taylor 1
De La Hoya-Mosley 1
Gatti-Ward 1
Ward-Burton
Sugar Ray Leonard-Roberto Duran 1

I've watched them over and over because they all exemplify the best qualities of professional fighters giving their all in a fight.

[T.S.]

Ali vs Foreman. I keep expecting Foreman to win everytime lol

Tyson vs Douglas I love watching the invincible Tyson get his ass whooped

Holyfield vs Foreman hard to watch Foreman get hit but damn Foreman was still a force to be reckoned with against "prime" Holy!

Foreman vs Frazier 1 amazing watching warrior Frazier go down so many times!

Ali Liston 2 no phantom punch greatest right ko "Jab" by Ali in boxing history!!

[Broxi]

Jones - Toney
Calzaghe - Lacy
Benn - McLellan
Ali - Foreman
Jones - Pazienza (Comedy Gold)

[Brighton bomber]

Hopkins/Trinidad
Toney/Jirov
Tarver/Jones 1
Leonard/Hearns 1
Calzaghe/Lacy

[sthomas]

Sanchez vs Gomez
Ali Vs Foreman
Calzaghe vs Kessler
Marciano vs Moore
Chavez vs Rosario

[pipe wrenched]

Pavlik-Miranda. WAR!!!
Pavlik-JT 1. All out good damned fight.
Corrales-Castillo 1. No explanation needed.
Lewis-Tyson. Great fight, and I enjoy seeing Steward freaking out in the corner between rounds.
Cotto-Judah. I loved this fight!!

These are the ones I watch the most recentlly anyways.

[fitzgeraldz]

Pavlik v Miranda
Trinidad v DLH
DLH v Mayweather
Hatton v Mayweather
Hopkins v Taylor I

[pipe wrenched]

Pavlik v Miranda
Trinidad v DLH
DLH v Mayweather
Hatton v Mayweather
Hopkins v Taylor I

:yep I'm not sure people really remember just how NASTY that fight really was. Round 2 was SICK when Pav had the Pantera backed into a corner and they both just declared WAR on each other. Bad ass fight right there.:good

[MSTR]

Kostya Tszyu v Zab Judah, Roy Jones Jr v James Toney, Floyd Mayweather Jr v Phillip Ndou, Miguel Cotto v Shane Mosley, Chad Dawson v Tomasz Adamek.... Not necessarily my TOP 5 fights, but probably the 5 fights i have watched the most. Top 5 fights would be competely different actually.

[fitzgeraldz]

Man ... Pavlik showed his beard in that fight ...

He also did a good job of pressing the issue ... That fight along w/ the two Taylor fights really made me believe that he's wasn't going to lose anytime soon especially at 160.

The first Taylor fight showed me that he wasn't scared and that he could beat a champion ... The second fight showed that he could go the distance ...

No one gave him a chance against Miranda and he showed the world that he had a chin and had massive power.

[Goose]

Castillo vs. Corrales I
JC Chavez vs. Taylor I
Toney vs Jirov
Barrera vs. Morales
Gatti vs Ward

[JonOli]

Bowe-Golota I - One of the greatest boxing rivals in history. Great 2 peice trilogys.

Bowe-Golota II - See above



I just watched a HBO program on those fights and the riot on you tube.

Golota :patsch to say the least.

[brooklyn1550]

Hopkins vs Trinidad
Ali vs Frazier III
Foreman vs Ali
Leonard vs Duran I
Leonard vs Hearns I

[Dempsey1238]

1 Marciano Walcott I, great come from behide, Also Rocky was getting the bejesus beating out of him in rounds 1, 8, 11, and other rounds of couse. Walcott also had his bad rounds, rounds 3 and rounds ten were indeed Marciano. But behind on the cards, Rocky battles blindness, cuts, and comes back to win.

2 Gans Nelson 1906, 40 something rounds of action, One of the best stimia fights as the amazing Gans out lasts Nelson in one of the greatness bouts ever, the heat must of been harsh.

3 Ali Fraizer I, FOTC, amazing battle, it was Fraizer's night.

4, Corbett Fitz, the first championship fight ever film. Again Fitz was behide, and he came back to ko Corbett with a amazing shot to the belly.

5, Basilio vs Demarco II, this one is for the ages, Basilio gets hurt, and reeling early in the fight, only to come back and battle Demarco. Lots of back and forth action. Just amazing.

There are others also. But this are the ones mostly in the DVD player when I watch it.

[drunkenspaniard]

1. Barrera vs. Morales I: Two of the top Mexican fighters of our era going tit for tat for 12 rounds, demonstrating the things Mexican fighters are known for: resilience, heart, and balls.

2. Castillo vs. Corrales I: Watching the late Corrales give up his height and fight Castillo's fight only to get knocked down twice and then come back from the brink of defeat to stop his nemesis in this give and take battle keeps me in awe every time.

3. Pacquiao - Marquez I: JMM comes back from being knocked down three times in the first round to outbox Pacquiao and give a good account for himself. A draw was probably the most honest verdict for that fight


4. PBF vs. Gatti: As much as I love Gatti, he was simply outclassed by an elite fighter in this fight. PBF showed why he is the number 1 p4p fighter in the world in this fight.

5. Pavlik vs. Taylor I: This fight gave the man who derailed the Miranda train the MW belt and kept his KO streak going. Also, Taylor showed up hungrier for this fight than he had in a long time.

[nicofly]

Pavlik v Miranda
Trinidad v DLH
DLH v Mayweather
Hatton v Mayweather
Hopkins v Taylor I

Is this a joke? You put this in your top 5 of all fights?? For hype maybe but the fight was pretty lame if you ask me. I dont remeber one clean shot being landed? Not one standing count and neither fighter had a mark on them.

:patsch

[sues2nd]

Corrales - Castillo
Hopkins - Trinidad
Hagler - Hearns
Holyfield - Bowe 1
Whitaker - Chavez

[MasterFlo]

1.Pavlik vs. Miranda - I was out of boxing for about a year and a half and this one got me back into it like I never was before. I watched Pavlik's 1st fight and a few others before I stopped then I saw this on TV and I was right back into it.

2.Calzaghe vs. Lacy - Beautiful example of how to out box someone who's going to try to knock you out with every punch, and I love that Lacy was favored and got that beat.

3.Pavlik vs. Taylor - Just a great overall fight, and the fact that it was for the undisputed middleweight championship of the world helps.

4.Barrera vs. Hamed - I love to see that arrogant little homo get put in his place by a true legend and an amazing textbook boxer.

5.Gatti vs. Ward - I could not believe what these 2 guys put into this fight, the fact that I saw it live really made me like it alot more because I remember sitting there having no idea which one would crumble first and neither did.

And even though I've watched RJJ more then any fighter easily there's no perticular fight I watch over and over.

[saul_ir34]

Barrera-Morales 1 - Do i really need to explain this one???
Pac-Morales 1 - A true warrior going all out against the unstoppable force at the time.
JMM-Jandaeng - Probably the best uppercut combinations ever displayed. They came from outside inside. Everywhere. What a beating that was.
JMM-Pac 2 - Big upset even if the fight went as expected. So much for an improved Pac beating an old JMM.
Cotto-Mosley - Im a big fan of Cotto yet i really doubted him in this fight and chose Mosley to win it. I love when im proved wrong like this!

[the_what]

JCC/Taylor - Great fight
Trinidad/Vargas - Great fight
Corrales/Freitas - Great comeback/fight
Corrales/Castillo - Greatest of all times
Cotto/Judah - Great fight

[Johnnyblaze]

Damn, I forgot Gatti/Ward I!!!!! I always laugh at Emmanuel Stewart in round 9 when he says "Ward should go to the body" 5 seconds later he hurts Gatti with a body shot and Stewart screams "that's where he should go, to the body!!!!!!" Manny was out of his mind that night.

[AlonzoGreene]

Is this a joke? You put this in your top 5 of all fights?? For hype maybe but the fight was pretty lame if you ask me. I dont remeber one clean shot being landed? Not one standing count and neither fighter had a mark on them.

:patsch

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[AlonzoGreene]

The top 5 Fights I've seen...

1) SRL-Duran II: Good competitive fight for the first six rounds, then Leonard starts to frustrate him with his showboating in the 7th. I've probably seen that seventh round alone like 20+ times.

2) SRL-Hagler: Another great close fight. Had to watch many times because I had friends who argued Hagler won the fight. Had to keep rewatching it, but still score it 115-113 Leonard.

3) Ali-Foreman: ALI BOUMAYE!!!!!

4) Hearns-Hagler: No superfight has ever exceeded its own expectations as much as this in my opinion. Damn, why did Hearns get baited into brawling with Hagler? Hearns was the man!

5) Mayweather-Corrales: Mayweather's standout performance in his apparently finished role as an "active fighter". I could have had Clay-Liston or Rumble in the Jungle here, but I think as far as actually views, I've probably seen this fight only like one more time than the other two. It will be a differnet story next time I catch ESPN classic.

[jupzrooni]

And why if you feel like it!

tito-vargas - fight was so competitive.. too bad this fight took something out of vargas

tito - dlh 1 - one of my fave dlh fight, even though he lost a controversial decision

harada - jofre - hell of a fight!!!

pacquiao - barrera 1 - one sided beatdown of pac to one of my fave mexican fighter

jcc-rosario - thanks to sweet pea i'm loving this fight right now! i'm going to watch this over and over

[cuchulain]

Ali-liston 1 (The beginning)

Ali Frazier 3 (The end)

Leonard - Duran 1 (Toe to toe)

Hearns - Hagler (Explosion)

RJJ - Griffin 2 (For once, take it to the max)

[Kegsy]

Kelly Pavlik vs Jermain Taylor 1
Diego Corrales vs Jose Luis Castillo 1
Marvin Hagler vs Thomas Hearns
Miguel Cotto vs Shane Mosley
Israel Vazquez vs Jhonny Gonzalez

[this bloke]

tszyu-judah
mosley-delahoya1
mundine-green
jones jr-pazienza
tyson-bruno1

not all my fav fights, but probably the ones i watched the most

[sweet_scientist]

1. Whitaker-Chavez
2. Whitaker-De la Hoya
3. Duran-Leonard I
4. Leonard-Hagler
5. Chavez-Taylor I

[Beatboxer]

Calzaghe - Starie: Joe gets some American exposure on Showtime in a great win.

Ruiz - Holyfield 1: History made as Holy becomes a 4 time champ.

DLH - Mayweather: The fight that saved boxing. A passing of the torch sort of fight.

Hatton - Urango: Clear evidence of Hattons slick boxing skills.

Oquendo - Byrd: Hugely entertaining fight. Showed Chris could take the intiative and win too.

[sugarngold]

:yep I'm not sure people really remember just how NASTY that fight really was. Round 2 was SICK when Pav had the Pantera backed into a corner and they both just declared WAR on each other. Bad ass fight right there.:good

Good call on Pavlik and Miranda. I thought it was fight of the year for 2007.

[Bystander]

SRL vs Hagler - defying the odds
Pacquiao vs Barrera 1 - the ultimate underdog fight
Corrales vs Castillo 1 - no holds barred
Ali vs Foreman - the gameplan works
Barrera vs Hamed - i just love to see Hamed outboxed

[punch13]

Tito-Mayorga
Pac-Barrera I
Tszyu-Mitchell II
Ouma-Jantuah
Barrera-Morales III

[kirk]

Hmm... tough one but here goes

1 - Vargas vs Quartey - vargas boxed brilliantly this fight, boxed AROUND ikes jab sometimes, sometimes went through it, would land one twos in the center of the ring or fight in close on the ropes. truly awsome battle between two awsome fighters. Plus i like ike.

2 - Vargas vs Tito -
3 - Vargas vs Hoya rounds 1-5 lol... love it up until the 10th round lol.

4 - Ward vs Gatti
5 - Mayorga vs Forrest 2

[Stickandmove]

Hagler - Hearns
Barrera - Morales I
Tyson - Bruno I
Calzaghe - Kessler
Apollo Creed - Rocky Balboa I

[saul_ir34]

Calzaghe - Starie: Joe gets some American exposure on Showtime in a great win.

Ruiz - Holyfield 1: History made as Holy becomes a 4 time champ.

DLH - Mayweather: The fight that saved boxing. A passing of the torch sort of fight.

Hatton - Urango: Clear evidence of Hattons slick boxing skills.

Oquendo - Byrd: Hugely entertaining fight. Showed Chris could take the intiative and win too.

I think you meant to say wrestling instead of boxing. or Maybe slow dancing.

[pipe wrenched]

Hagler - Hearns
Barrera - Morales I
Tyson - Bruno I
Calzaghe - Kessler
Apollo Creed - Rocky Balboa I


How did I forget that Battle!!:good :lol:

[salsanchezfan]

Chacon-Limon IV - More than a fight; it was a celebration of the human spirit. It was THAT good.

Sanchez-Gomez - Brutal artistry.

Saad-Muhammad-Lopez II - Savage back and forth action; vintage Saad.

Morales-Barrera I - Same as above.........well, except no Saad was involved.

Sanchez-Nelson - My favorite fighter's swan song.

[McGrain]

Chacon-Limon IV - More than a fight; it was a celebration of the human spirit. It was THAT good.

Sanchez-Gomez - Brutal artistry.

Saad-Muhammad-Lopez II - Savage back and forth action; vintage Saad.

Morales-Barrera I - Same as above.........well, except no Saad was involved.

Sanchez-Nelson - My favorite fighter's swan song.


Inspired picks.

[fadeintobolivia]

Tyson-Holyfield
Hagler-Hearns
Foreman-Lyle
Tyson-Douglas
Lewis-Briggs

[BIGTIMETIMMY]

Holyfield Bowe 1 always on espn
Mayweather vs Gatti- wow
Taylor vs Hopkins 1- Still Trying to figure out how a judge gave taylor round 12
Hearns vs Hagler
pavlike vs taylor-probably watched every night for 2 months after it i loved it

[McGrain]

Ali vs Sonny Liston - both fights

Ali vs Frazier

Ali vs Foreman

Barrera vs Morales - trilogy

Castillo vs Corrales - 1

This is EIGHT you imbecile.

[Irländsk]

This is EIGHT you imbecile.You are quite strict on this limit of 5.
Trilogies and two match sets can, in the opinion of some, be viewed as one extended fight between two boxers, interrupted by a few months/years.
Your admonishment of those with this opinion is almost Nazi-esque.
Where were you between 1939-1945 BTW?

[kirk]

in all honesty the fight ive probably seen the most is like... vargas vs chop chop in the amatures, or vs diaz in the amatures, and bojado vs some black guy, and cotto vs bazan. I used to fall asleep to a boxing video at night and those were the beginning fights on it.... lol... so probably seen them like 100 times, compared to the 40 or so times of vargas vs ike, tito, hoya

[Irländsk]

Well if we are being really technical, I have probably seen Tua-Ruiz 500 times.

[McGrain]

You are quite strict on this limit of 5.

The point is to tap into ESB's members to construct a list of fights they consider to be unmissable. 5 allows posters to address their favourite fighters, different types of fights, all time and onbscure with allowing their lists to become soft.

I am all for a top 8 - or 6 - and of course, people can post their top 213. But the more fights the softer the lists will tend to get. I stipulated in the title that I was after top 5's. I don't think it's unreasonable.

Trilogies and two match sets can, in the opinion of some, be viewed as one extended fight between two boxers, interrupted by a few months/years.

Well, those people are very stupid.

Your admonishment of those with this opinion is almost Nazi-esque.

I fail to see the connection.

Where were you between 1939-1945 BTW?

Yet to be born.

[Ilesey]

Bowe - Holyfield 1
Bowe - Holyfield 2
Bowe - Golota 1
Bowe - Golota 2
Holyfield - Tyson 1

[thanosone]

Chavez vs Taylor
Morales vs Barrera 1
Sanchez vs Gomez
Hagler vs SRL
Tyson vs Douglas

[Holmes' Jab]

Holyfield - Tyson I
Walcott - Charles III
Holmes - Witherspoon
Whitaker - Nelson
Lewis - Rahman II

[Pimp C]

PBF-Gatti demolition job
JLC-Chico I war
Hearns-Duran Classic KO
PBF-Hatton Classic ending and funny
Pea-Chavez boxing lesson

[o_money]

Overall I couldn't answer this. But in the Last four or five months its been:


Hagler Hearns

Hamed Kelley

Haye Mormek

Hamed Sanchez

Vazquez Marquez II

Mostly cause they are all short and I'm a bussy guy.

[skier47]

Klitschko-Mercer--awesome offensive boxing display by Wlad.
Gatti-Ward 1--unbelievable sustained action and courage by both.
Ali-Foreman--Ali outsmarts the young monster in his prime.
Leonard-Duran 1--two great athletes in their prime in back and forth battle.
Foreman-Lyle--nuff said.