Wladimir & Morrison - One In The Same?

[Russell]

Do both fighters suffer from mental issues that reasonate in their chins?

I've seen Morrison take some nasty shots, most from Foreman, and not go down.

Even when he has gone down, he never stayed down.

The very same applies to Wlad.

It's funny how both were stopped by lesser punchers than the best ones they each fought.

[mr. magoo]

Wladimir Klitschko cannot be placed in the same category as Tommy Morrison. He is a much better fighter from many standpoints.

[SuzieQ49]

What is with all these Tommy Morrison threads? I remember him vividly, He was a mediocre fighter with a Glass Jaw. Hes best remembered as Tommy Gunn.

[Russell]

Wladimir Klitschko cannot be placed in the same category as Tommy Morrison. He is a much better fighter from many standpoints.

Chins the sole thing I'm comparing between the two, magoo.

[SuzieQ49]

Ross Purrity made both look foolish

[joe33]

MKorrsions sell nice chickens

[mr. magoo]

What is with all these Tommy Morrison threads? I remember him vividly, He was a mediocre fighter with a Glass Jaw. Hes best remembered as Tommy Gunn.

Agreed, he was a media spectacle. His direct relation to John Wayne Morrison, bought him a free ride with the celebrity circle, and from that, his career was fabricated as that of a great white hope's. Morrison should not have reached the mark of a 28-0 prospect. Had he been forced to face the same level of opposition that other prospects of his day like Mercer, Bowe, Lewis, and Seldon had, he would have lost much earlier.

[PowerPuncher]

Ross Purrity made both look foolish

Purrity destroyed Wlad, don't believe the 'ran out of steam' myths, Wlad got his ass whooped for 5rounds plain and simple

[PowerPuncher]

Both have weak legs/backs/necks that mean they can't withstand strong punches, both had open defenses, Wlads defense is now decent though

[Russell]

Purrity destroyed Wlad, don't believe the 'ran out of steam' myths, Wlad got his ass whooped for 5rounds plain and simple

Not true.

Watched the fight recently and Purritty lands absolutely nothing substantial until moments before the fight ends with Wlad teetering around like a drunk.

[mr. magoo]

Chins the sole thing I'm comparing between the two, magoo.

Many great fighters have had questionable chins. That doesn't mean that Morrison and Klistschko should be dropped in the same category because of one commonality.....

[SuzieQ49]

why dont you make a morrison vs marciano thread, afterall classless punk HIV morrison said he would knockout marciano.

[Punisher33]

I think the only similarities between the two are, weak chins and powerful. I feel Morrison was more mentally tough, he was able to hang in there with the Heavy punching Ruddock, and win a slugfest of sorts, he also was able to fight through a broken jaw against him Joe Hipp to knock him out later in the fight.

Wlad is alot more skilled than Morrison, and should be able to beat him, but if both men stood in the ring and went blow for blow, my money is on Morrison, he's the more proven tougher fighter.

[Irish Steel]

I think the only similarities between the two are, weak chins and powerful. I feel Morrison was more mentally tough, he was able to hang in there with the Heavy punching Ruddock, and win a slugfest of sorts, he also was able to fight through a broken jaw against him Joe Hipp to knock him out later in the fight.

Wlad is alot more skilled than Morrison, and should be able to beat him, but if both men stood in the ring and went blow for blow, my money is on Morrison, he's the more proven tougher fighter.


More proven? IM not so sure about that.

Sam peter ko4 morrisson

[Punisher33]

More proven? IM not so sure about that.

Sam peter ko4 morrisson In the toughness department he is, besides, Morrison handled more powerful fighters, and dealt with adversity better. Morrison dealt with a broken jaw and hand against Hip, when toe to toe with maybe the most powerful fighter at the time, in Rudduck, and won by knockout after being knocked down himself earlier in that fight, he also went the distance with Foreman. Wlad only proved his toughness against Sam Peter, he got up after being foored 3 times, and getting through a couple panic attacks to win the decision.

Peter/Morrison, that would be an interesting fight, I'm a huge fan of Peters, but I see this one being an up in the air type fight. If Morrison/Peter slug it out in the middle of the ring, I would favor Peter, if it comes to a boxing match, all bets are off.

[mr. magoo]

In the toughness department he is, besides, Morrison handled more powerful fighters, and dealt with adversity better. Morrison dealt with a broken jaw and hand against Hip, when toe to toe with maybe the most powerful fighter at the time, in Rudduck, and won by knockout after being knocked down himself earlier in that fight, he also went the distance with Foreman. Wlad only proved his toughness against Sam Peter, he got up after being foored 3 times, and getting through a couple panic attacks to win the decision.

Peter/Morrison, that would be an interesting fight, I'm a huge fan of Peters, but I see this one being an up in the air type fight. If Morrison/Peter slug it out in the middle of the ring, I would favor Peter, if it comes to a boxing match, all bets are off.

I agree with your point about Tommy showing heart against Hipp, but Ruddock was a different story. Razor had only fought once against a journeyman in a near three year period, and was clearly past it. He floored Morrison, then later became the victom of what was a potential early stoppage. In my opinion, a prime Ruddock around 1991, would stop Morrison handely.

[Punisher33]

I agree with your point about Tommy showing heart against Hipp, but Ruddock was a different story. Razor had only fought once against a journeyman in a near three year period, and was clearly past it. He floored Morrison, then later became the victom of what was a potential early stoppage. In my opinion, a prime Ruddock around 1991, would stop Morrison handely. True, but Ruddock's power was still there at that time, and I was more or less just trying to prove that Morrison handled adversity better, and proved he can overcome it more than Wlad, not to mention getting a draw against Purrity after being knocked down a few times, while Wlad himself couldnt make it the distance against him and lost by knockout.

[mr. magoo]

True, but Ruddock's power was still there at that time, and I was more or less just trying to prove that Morrison handled adversity better, and proved he can overcome it more than Wlad, not to mention getting a draw against Purrity after being knocked down a few times, while Wlad himself couldnt make it the distance against him and lost by knockout.

Purity was 8-8 when he fought a 41-2 Morrison who had far more experience. Wlad was 23-0, facing a 23-11 purity. And this was a 12 round fight in which, Wlad was ahead, not a 10 round fight which Morrison barely survived and should have lost the decision.

Apples to oranges I'm afraid.

[Punisher33]

Purity was 8-8 when he fought a 41-2 Morrison who had far more experience. Wlad was 23-0, facing a 23-11 purity. And this was a 12 round fight in which, Wlad was ahead, not a 10 round fight which Morrison barely survived and should have lost the decision.

Apples to oranges I'm afraid. I see your point, I was just stating that when introuble Morrison was able to get through and make till the end, Wlad melted when push came to shove, and couldnt battle through the adversity, something that would become a reoccurring theme for Wlad it seems.

[mr. magoo]

I see your point, I was just stating that when introuble Morrison was able to get through and make till the end, Wlad melted when push came to shove, and couldnt battle through the adversity, something that would become a reoccurring theme for Wlad it seems.

Both men failed badly when it came to overcoming adversity against lesser opponents. For Klitschko however, he at least survived three knockdowns to beat Sam Peter who was an undefeated contender and future world champ. Morrison rarely beat a ranked contender, and certainly none who were in their prime. He was KO'd in one round by a 9-1 novice in Michael Bentt. Nothing like this ever happened to Wladimir. The Purity fights were more of a disgrace to Morrison than they were to Klitschko given the perspective stages of careers that everyone was in at the time. Ruddock was shot, and probably should have beaten Morrison. Anyone that Wlad ever lost to, Brewster, Sanders and yes even a later Purity could have beaten a prime Morrison.

[Punisher33]

Both men failed badly when it came to overcoming adversity against lesser opponents. For Klitschko however, he at least survived three knockdowns to beat Sam Peter who was an undefeated contender and future world champ. Morrison rarely beat a ranked contender, and certainly none who were in their prime. He was KO'd in one round by a 9-1 novice in Michael Bentt. Nothing like this ever happened to Wladimir. The Purity fights were more of a disgrace to Morrison than they were to Klitschko given the perspective stages of careers that everyone was in at the time. Ruddock was shot, and probably should have beaten Morrison. Anyone that Wlad ever lost to, Brewster, Sanders and yes even a later Purity could have beaten a prime Morrison. I dont think Purity would of beat a prime Morrison, he couldnt even beat a couple years past his prime Morrison back in 94, if that fight would of took place in 91 or 92, Morrison would of knocked him out. I do agree that both Brewster and Sanders would beat Morrison, though there's a decent chance he would Brewster who at times under performs and either loses or has close matches against guys he shouldnt, he just barely won against Meehan, was losing by a decent margin until knocking out Krasniqi in the 9th, lost to Eitienne, and Shufford by wide margins as well.

Wlads only fight where he proved his toughness was against a 25 yearold, very green Peter, who smothered his punches when he had Wlad hurt, instead of stepping back and putting the power behind the punches needed to finish his man off. Wlad falls apart 9 times out of 10 when the tables are turned, as Lamon Brewster once said " He just dont have the dog in him", I couldnt agree more.

[mr. magoo]

[quote=Punisher33]I dont think Purity would of beat a prime Morrison, he couldnt even beat a couple years past his prime Morrison back in 94, if that fight would of took place in 91 or 92, Morrison would of knocked him out.

It works both ways though. You talk about a 26 year old Morrison being past his prime with a fine record of 41-2, but don't even mention that purity had all but 16 fights and a record of 8-8. This was not the best version of purity either. In face a prime Morrison coming off a win over Goerge Foreman was blasted by a 9-1 Bentt in a single round. A 1991 Morrision was utterly destroyed by a 31 year old Mercer who had 17 bouts. Not to mention, you seem so convinced that Morrison would easily KO purity. Do you have any idea how many times Ross has been stopped in his career? I counted two times in some 54 fights, and one of them came in the 11th round against Wlad's brother-the longest anyone would last against him.


Wlads only fight where he proved his toughness was against a 25 yearold, very green Peter, who smothered his punches when he had Wlad hurt, instead of stepping back and putting the power behind the punches needed to finish his man off.

How many 24-0 contenders did Morrison ever beat? He wouldn't stand a chance against the Peter who Wlad outpointed. Especially, if he had to get up off the canvas three times to do it. Christ, Morrison nearly stayed down against a totally shot Carl Williams in 1992. What the hell would he do against a peak Sam Peter?



Wlad falls apart 9 times out of 10 when the tables are turned, as Lamon Brewster once said " He just dont have the dog in him", I couldnt agree more.


I lived through the heavyweight era of the early 90's. Do you know how many people made the same highlited comment about Morrison?

[Punisher33]

[quote]

It works both ways though. You talk about a 26 year old Morrison being past his prime with a fine record of 41-2, but don't even mention that purity had all but 16 fights and a record of 8-8. This was not the best version of purity either. In face a prime Morrison coming off a win over Goerge Foreman was blasted by a 9-1 Bentt in a single round. A 1991 Morrision was utterly destroyed by a 31 year old Mercer who had 17 bouts. Not to mention, you seem so convinced that Morrison would easily KO purity. Do you have any idea how many times Ross has been stopped in his career? I counted two times in some 54 fights, and one of them came in the 11th round against Wlad's brother-the longest anyone would last against him.




How many 24-0 contenders did Morrison ever beat? He wouldn't stand a chance against the Peter who Wlad outpointed. Especially, if he had to get up off the canvas three times to do it. Christ, Morrison nearly stayed down against a totally shot Carl Williams in 1992. What the hell would he do against a peak Sam Peter?




I lived through the heavyweight era of the early 90's. Do you know how many people made the same highlited comment about Morrison? I'm not debating on wether Morrison was a better fighter than Wlad or not, but if you look at both mens career up to this point, I thik it's safe to say Morrison is the tougher fighter out of two, Wlad only proved himself once against Peter, Morrison picked himself up and seen his way through adversity against Williams, Purity(draw), Ruddock, and Hipp(broken jaw). Wlad has absolutely no toughness on the top level, the guy has a panic attack when punch just barely catches him, and drops whenever a significant punch makes contact on his weak chin. Brewster made his legs buckle from lightly thrown straight left hand, a punch 95% of Heavyweights would walk right through, the same punch that made RJJ make fun of how weak Wlads chin truly is.

[mr. magoo]

[quote=mr. magoo] I'm not debating on wether Morrison was a better fighter than Wlad or not, but if you look at both mens career up to this point, I thik it's safe to say Morrison is the tougher fighter out of two, Wlad only proved himself once against Peter, Morrison picked himself up and seen his way through adversity against Williams, Purity(draw), Ruddock, and Hipp(broken jaw). Wlad has absolutely no toughness on the top level, the guy has a panic attack when punch just barely catches him, and drops whenever a significant punch makes contact on his weak chin. Brewster made his legs buckle from lightly thrown straight left hand, a punch 95% of Heavyweights would walk right through, the same punch that made RJJ make fun of how weak Wlads chin truly is.

We already went through the fact that Ruddock, Williams, and Purity were not prime fighters when Morrison fought them, and probably should have lost to at least two of those guys. The Purity fight was a robbery, and one in which Ross was a mere 8-8, and hardly the seasoned fighter that he was when he was trailing against Wlad in a scheduled 12 rounder. These fights speak nothing for Morrison. Joe Hipp was not a world class fighter either. Morrison was a far more protected fighter than Wlad ever was. He was either floored, cut, beaten, or gifted against more fighters than Klitschko ever will be. Morrison's Hollywood afiliation to the late John Wayne Morrison is what got his career jump started. He was a media spectacle and not a true world beater. I followed the man's career coming up, and saw exactly how protected and limited he was. If you chose to continue building him up as some great American tuff guy who was more durable than Wlad, then so be it, but I'm done debating the issue.

[Punisher33]

[quote=Punisher33]

We already went through the fact that Ruddock, Williams, and Purity were not prime fighters when Morrison fought them, and probably should have lost to at least two of those guys. The Purity fight was a robbery, and one in which Ross was a mere 8-8, and hardly the seasoned fighter that he was when he was trailing against Wlad in a scheduled 12 rounder. These fights speak nothing for Morrison. Joe Hipp was not a world class fighter either. Morrison was a far more protected fighter than Wlad ever was. He was either floored, cut, beaten, or gifted against more fighters than Klitschko ever will be. Morrison's Hollywood afiliation to the late John Wayne Morrison is what got his career jump started. He was a media spectacle and not a true world beater. I followed the man's career coming up, and saw exactly how protected and limited he was. If you chose to continue building him up as some great American tuff guy who was more durable than Wlad, then so be it, but I'm done debating the issue. I dont put Morrison in high regard, I just feel he's a tougher fighter than Wlad, he battled through more and at least he could say he beat an ATG in Foreman, though old, was still good enough to lay Moorer out with a one, two. I personally feel Wlad is being extremely overrated by some on this site, who has proven he cant go toe to toe with anyone without having a panic attack or falling over the place like a drunk Paris Hilton, he is far from tough for an elite fighter, and has one of the worst chins for Heavyweight champion, since Patterson, who wasnt a natural Heavyweight to begin with.

[mr. magoo]

Well, if you're going to use the Foreman fight to try and prove Morrison's toughness, then I might as well tell you that the fight showed Morrison was anything but tuff. He ran for most of that fight and against a very old Foreman. At least Moorer, Holyfield and Stewart went toe to toe and traded shots with the guy right around the same time frame. Morrison didn't, and if he had, would have gotten blasted.

Wlad has only lost three times so far, in 53 fights, and has beaten far more ranked opponents than Morrison has ever shared the same ring with in victory or defeat. He is 11-2 in world title fights, and has at least avenged one defeat, whereas Morrison has never avenged any. Morrison has come up off the canvas to win maybe one or two fights, but so has Wlad, and believe me, a washed up Williams is no prime peter.

Point being, neither man can be credited for having raw toughness, but when push comes to shove, Wlad probably takes it, and needless to say is far more talented and proven against infinately better competition....

[Punisher33]

Well, if you're going to use the Foreman fight to try and prove Morrison's toughness, then I might as well tell you that the fight showed Morrison was anything but tuff. He ran for most of that fight and against a very old Foreman. At least Moorer, Holyfield and Stewart went toe to toe and traded shots with the guy right around the same time frame. Morrison didn't, and if he had, would have gotten blasted.

Wlad has only lost three times so far, in 53 fights, and has beaten far more ranked opponents than Morrison has ever shared the same ring with in victory or defeat. He is 11-2 in world title fights, and has at least avenged one defeat, whereas Morrison has never avenged any. Morrison has come up off the canvas to win maybe one or two fights, but so has Wlad, and believe me, a washed up Williams is no prime peter.

Point being, neither man can be credited for having raw toughness, but when push comes to shove, Wlad probably takes it, and needless to say is far more talented and proven against infinately better competition.... You make a good points, and I will never argue on who's more accomplished or more talented, my answer would always be Wlad. Wlad has only once came back from a knockdown to go on and knock them out, that was against Panel(spell check), Morrison has came back from being knocked down to go on and knockout both Ruddock and Williams.

Honest question Magoo, have you ever seen a supposed elite Heavyweight, as some say Wlad is, so weak in the chin and toughness department? I cant say I know anyone of hand, do you?

[PowerPuncher]

Not true.

Watched the fight recently and Purritty lands absolutely nothing substantial until moments before the fight ends with Wlad teetering around like a drunk.

Purrity was doing good work on Wlad from the mid-rounds onwards, breaking him down and landing big shots, Purity destroyed Wlad. The only vid I could find is below (which only shows the end):

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[ChrisPontius]

Purrity was doing good work on Wlad from the mid-rounds onwards, breaking him down and landing big shots, Purity destroyed Wlad. The only vid I could find is below (which only shows the end):

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Have you seen the full fight?

[PowerPuncher]

Have you seen the full fight?

Yes I have seen the full fight and Wlad took a beating from the mid rounds onwards. I just can't find the full version.

[ChrisPontius]

Well i don't know what fight you've been watching, but during the first 9 rounds, Ross did nothing but stumble forwards with his guard up and taking a beating. He was hardly getting any of his own punches off.

[Cachibatches]

What is with all these Tommy Morrison threads? I remember him vividly, He was a mediocre fighter with a Glass Jaw. Hes best remembered as Tommy Gunn.
Mediocre is very generous. He never beat a live body. Only compeltely washed up guys like Williams or Ruddock, or fringe guys like Joe hipp.

And he still ususally struggled.

He was KTFOd by a guy who already had brain damage- no offense to Michael Bent, who was a good fighter and a nice guy.

[red cobra]

While there are some superficial similarities, there really is no equality between W. Klitschko and Tommy Morrison. The high point in the career of Morrison came against a pre 2nd title George Foreman, and IMO, he used a perfectly reasonable, disciplined, effective strategy to upset Big George. This version of Tommy Morrison was never seen again, whereas it's fairly obvious that W.K. has been far more successful and industrious as both a fighter as well as a title holder. He seems to be poised to clean out the division and unify the belt in the process. Wlad, like his style last time out or not, has more than one single dimension as a fighter, and he has the tools to deal with an opponent in more than just one way. Career accomplishments alone seperate the two men alone.

[ozziebattler]

Mediocre is very generous. He never beat a live body. Only compeltely washed up guys like Williams or Ruddock, or fringe guys like Joe hipp.

And he still ususally struggled.

He was KTFOd by a guy who already had brain damage- no offense to Michael Bent, who was a good fighter and a nice guy.

Bentt suffered the brain injury after the Morrison fight.In his loss to Hide.Bentt was highly underrated.Most dont know that he was a highly regarded former amateur star(not gold medallist but golden gloves etc).

Morrison wasnt a better fighter then Wlad period.Though i prefer to watch old Morrison clips then Mr Klitscko anyday.

I think Morrison's wild partying and banging of over 2000 chicks by 26 leading to being infected with H.I.V. didnt help his career.

I actuall got to speak to the Tommy and from what he says he ruined his own career by 92ish onwards he was not training hard and preferred banging broads and doing drugs.Kind of pissed me off as im a massive fan and think he could of achieved alot more if he was fully dedicated.

He did have decent skillset and awesome power.Im not saying he would of been elite or anything but had he been around when he should of been(late 90's early 2000's)he would of beaten the likes of rahman and ruiz etc who somehow achieved some big scalps.

I miss most of the 90's heavyweights who used to come in atleast decent shape and throw punches.

I honestly rather watch the likes of Bruno,Ruddock,Mercer and Morrison etc(lesser 90's fighters) then the dud heavies around these days.

Alot of action back then.

And before anyone comments on my post remember i have mentioned at the top that Wlad is definetly a more superior fighter then Morrison.

Though i have dreams of Morrison connecting his lefthook on Wlad.:hey

[Russell]

Have you seen the full fight?

Yeah, he was huffing paint when he watched it. :good