20 greatest WINS resumes of all time

[sweet_scientist]

When talking p4p lists, a key ingredient is inevitably the resume of the fighters being discussed.

So who had the best resumes?

Let's see if someone can nut out a top 20, or at the very least, suggest a handful (with evidence i.e. list the fighters they beat) that are monties for the top spots.

[brooklyn1550]

I guess I'll start out with some that come to mind and others can add onto it.

Harry Greb: Tunney, Walker, Rosenbloom, M Gibbons, T Gibbons, Loughran, Flowers, Norfolk, Levinsky, Dillon, McTigue, Smith, Miske, Chip, Slattery

Ezzard Charles: Louis, Moore, Walcott, Burley, Maxim, Lesnevich, Marshall, Bivins, Smith, Yarosz, Ray, Oma, Satterfield, Layne, Smith

Sugar Ray Robinson: Gavilan, Angott, Zivic, LaMotta, Graziano, Basilio, Fullmer, Turpin, Olson, Castellani, Doyle, Fusari, Bell, Shapiro, Armstrong

Muhammad Ali: Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Patterson, Norton, Shavers, Lyle, Young, Ellis, Quarry, Foster, Moore, Folley, Terrell, Chuvalo, Williams

Benny Leonard: Britton, Kilbane, Tendler, Dundee, Welsh, Ritchie, Kansas, Johnson, Bartfield, Mitchell

Evander Holyfield: Tyson, Bowe, Holmes, Foreman, Qawi, De Leon, Moorer, Douglas, Rahman, Ruiz, Dokes, Mercer, Thomas, Cooper, Czyz

Carlos Ortiz: Loi, Brown, Elorde, Ramos, Laguna, Bizzarro, Lane, Torres, Matthews

Roberto Duran: Leonard, Buchanan, De Jesus, Cuevas, Palomino, Barkley, Moore, Marcel, Ishimatsu, Kobayashi, Mamby, Castro

Sugar Ray Leonard: Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Kalule, Lalonde

Henry Armstrong: Ross, Angott, Zivic, Jenkins, Ambers, Garcia, Arizmendi, Zannelli, Montanez, Wright, Sarron, Bass, Wolgast

[sweet_scientist]

I guess I'll start out with some that come to mind and others can add onto it.

Harry Greb: Tunney, Walker, Rosenbloom, M Gibbons, T Gibbons, Loughran, Flowers, Norfolk, Levinsky, Dillon, McTigue, Smith, Miske, Chip, Slattery

Ezzard Charles: Louis, Moore, Walcott, Burley, Maxim, Lesnevich, Marshall, Bivins, Smith, Yarosz, Ray, Oma, Satterfield, Layne, Smith

Sugar Ray Robinson: Gavilan, Angott, Zivic, LaMotta, Graziano, Basilio, Fullmer, Turpin, Olson, Castellani, Doyle, Fusari, Bell, Shapiro, Armstrong

Muhammad Ali: Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Patterson, Norton, Shavers, Lyle, Young, Ellis, Quarry, Foster, Moore, Folley, Terrell, Chuvalo, Williams

Benny Leonard: Britton, Kilbane, Tendler, Dundee, Welsh, Ritchie, Kansas, Johnson, Bartfield, Mitchell

Evander Holyfield: Tyson, Bowe, Holmes, Foreman, Qawi, De Leon, Moorer, Douglas, Rahman, Ruiz, Dokes, Mercer, Thomas, Cooper, Czyz

Carlos Ortiz: Loi, Brown, Elorde, Ramos, Laguna, Bizzarro, Lane, Torres, Matthews

Roberto Duran: Leonard, Buchanan, De Jesus, Cuevas, Palomino, Barkley, Moore, Marcel, Ishimatsu, Kobayashi, Mamby, Castro

Sugar Ray Leonard: Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Kalule, Lalonde

Henry Armstrong: Ross, Angott, Zivic, Jenkins, Ambers, Garcia, Arizmendi, Zannelli, Montanez, Wright, Sarron, Bass, Wolgast

Great effort Brooklyn. :good

That's definitely a good launch pad for the topic. I think just about everyone there will make my final cut.


Will add some nominations myself a bit later.

[Russell]

No one beats Ezzard Charles here. No one.

[salsanchezfan]

...........Arguello's a good pick.


Olivares
Escalera X2
Chacon
Boza-Edwards
Navarette
Limon
Watt
Mancini


..........Along with a host of others some might include that are a bit more peripheral, like Claude Noel or Kobayahi, still good fighters, but not real standouts.

[sweet_scientist]

...........Arguello's a good pick.


Olivares
Escalera X2
Chacon
Boza-Edwards
Navarette
Limon
Watt
Mancini


..........Along with a host of others some might include that are a bit more peripheral, like Claude Noel or Kobayahi, still good fighters, but not real standouts.
Good shout. You can add Ramirez (though it was a questionable decision), Castillo and Fernandez to that list.:good

Here's some more that deserve a shout:

Lou Ambers: Cocoa Kid, Johnny Jadick, Sammy Fuller, Fritzie Zivic, Frankie Klick, Baby Arizmendi, Tony Canzoneri, Davey Day, Tony Canzoneri, Pedro Montanez, Henry Armstrong (though it was a robbery)

Fritzie Zivic: Henry Armstrong, Jake Lamotta, Charley Burley, Sammy Angott, Eddie Booker, Kid Azteca, Al Bummy Davis, Chuck Woods, Johnny Jadick, and arguably Billy Conn

Sammy Angott: Ike Williams, Bob Montgomery, Willie Pep, Petey Sarron Wes Ramey, Leo Rodak, Freddie Miller, Davey Day, Lew Jenkins, Slugger White, Johnny Bratton

[sweet_scientist]

No one beats Ezzard Charles here. No one.

Probably not.

But I think Greb and Canzoneri are up there with him, and some guys like Jimmy McLarnin, Kid Gavilan, Sam Langford are right there as well...

[Fedor Em]

Probably not.

But I think Greb and Canzoneri are up there with him, and some guys like Jimmy McLarnin, Kid Gavilan, Sam Langford are right there as well...

Yeah, Greb is definately right there with Ezzard. Canzeroni was outstanding too but just a shade below these 2.

[Russell]

Yeah, Greb is definately right there with Ezzard. Canzeroni was outstanding too but just a shade below these 2.

Oh, I agree.

I just can't overlook Ezzard's total domination of Archie Moore and especially Charlie Burley.

[mcvey]

When talking p4p lists, a key ingredient is inevitably the resume of the fighters being discussed.

So who had the best resumes?

Let's see if someone can nut out a top 20, or at the very least, suggest a handful (with evidence i.e. list the fighters they beat) that are monties for the top spots.
Not the best ,but a guy who often gets overlooked,imo,he had wins over.
Griffith
Akins
Logart
Giambra
Miceli
Wright
Mims
Mundine
Cokes
Benton
Carter
Briscoe
Cassidy
Moyer
The man? Luis Rodriguez,who had the misfortune of being Griffith's contemporary.

[China_hand_Joe]

Roy Jones Junior.

[Russell]

Roy Jones Junior.

:lol:

[redrooster]

I guess I'll start out with some that come to mind and others can add onto it.

Harry Greb: Tunney, Walker, Rosenbloom, M Gibbons, T Gibbons, Loughran, Flowers, Norfolk, Levinsky, Dillon, McTigue, Smith, Miske, Chip, Slattery

Ezzard Charles: Louis, Moore, Walcott, Burley, Maxim, Lesnevich, Marshall, Bivins, Smith, Yarosz, Ray, Oma, Satterfield, Layne, Smith

Sugar Ray Robinson: Gavilan, Angott, Zivic, LaMotta, Graziano, Basilio, Fullmer, Turpin, Olson, Castellani, Doyle, Fusari, Bell, Shapiro, Armstrong

Muhammad Ali: Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Patterson, Norton, Shavers, Lyle, Young, Ellis, Quarry, Foster, Moore, Folley, Terrell, Chuvalo, Williams

Benny Leonard: Britton, Kilbane, Tendler, Dundee, Welsh, Ritchie, Kansas, Johnson, Bartfield, Mitchell

Evander Holyfield: Tyson, Bowe, Holmes, Foreman, Qawi, De Leon, Moorer, Douglas, Rahman, Ruiz, Dokes, Mercer, Thomas, Cooper, Czyz

Carlos Ortiz: Loi, Brown, Elorde, Ramos, Laguna, Bizzarro, Lane, Torres, Matthews

Roberto Duran: Leonard, Buchanan, De Jesus, Cuevas, Palomino, Barkley, Moore, Marcel, Ishimatsu, Kobayashi, Mamby, Castro

Sugar Ray Leonard: Hagler, Hearns, Duran, Benitez, Kalule, Lalonde

Henry Armstrong: Ross, Angott, Zivic, Jenkins, Ambers, Garcia, Arizmendi, Zannelli, Montanez, Wright, Sarron, Bass, Wolgast

Lalonde?? :rofl

[bladerunner]

Jimmy Mclarnin-Lou Ambers,Tony Canzoneri,Barney Ross,Benny Leonard,Young Corbett III,Billy Petrolle,Al Singer,Sammy Mandell,Kid Kaplan,Joe Glick,Pancho Villa,Fidel Labarba,Al Singer,Sammy Fuller,Lou Brouillard,Y.Jack Thompson,Sammy Baker,Pal Moore,Bud Taylor,Sid Terris.

Emille Griffith-Denny Moyer,Jorge Fernandez,Florentino Fernandez,Gaspar Ortega,Luis Rodriguez,Benny Paret,Ralph Dupas,Rubin Carter,Holly Mims,Dick Tiger,Joey Archer,Nino Benvenuti,Gipsy Joe Harris,Bennie Briscoe,Tom Bogs,Ernie Lopez,Don Fullmer,Stanley Hayward,Armando Muniz,Dave Charnley.

[sweet_scientist]

Not the best ,but a guy who often gets overlooked,imo,he had wins over.
Griffith
Akins
Logart
Giambra
Miceli
Wright
Mims
Mundine
Cokes
Benton
Carter
Briscoe
Cassidy
Moyer
The man? Luis Rodriguez,who had the misfortune of being Griffith's contemporary.

Good call mate. Rodriguez had a very good resume, with a win over Thompson as well.

[sweet_scientist]

Jimmy Mclarnin-Lou Ambers,Tony Canzoneri,Barney Ross,Benny Leonard,Young Corbett III,Billy Petrolle,Al Singer,Sammy Mandell,Kid Kaplan,Joe Glick,Pancho Villa,Fidel Labarba,Al Singer,Sammy Fuller,Lou Brouillard,Y.Jack Thompson,Sammy Baker,Pal Moore,Bud Taylor,Sid Terris.

Emille Griffith-Denny Moyer,Jorge Fernandez,Florentino Fernandez,Gaspar Ortega,Luis Rodriguez,Benny Paret,Ralph Dupas,Rubin Carter,Holly Mims,Dick Tiger,Joey Archer,Nino Benvenuti,Gipsy Joe Harris,Bennie Briscoe,Tom Bogs,Ernie Lopez,Don Fullmer,Stanley Hayward,Armando Muniz,Dave Charnley.

Two lay down miseres :good

[Senya13]

Harry Greb: Tunney, Walker, Rosenbloom, M Gibbons, T Gibbons, Loughran, Flowers, Norfolk, Levinsky, Dillon, McTigue, Smith, Miske, Chip, Slattery
Greb doesn't have a win over Flowers. He lost twice and the other bout was newspaper decision which most sports editors thought Flowers won.

[Minotauro]

1. Greb
2. Langford
3. Charles
4. Moore
5. Joe Walcott

[salsanchezfan]

Greb doesn't have a win over Flowers. He lost twice and the other bout was newspaper decision which most sports editors thought Flowers won.


..........Flowers seems to be a ather forgotten middleweight great. Besides beating Greb twice, the fight he lost to Walker was supposed to be an atrocious decision. I have to admit I too am guilty of overlooking him.

[sweet_scientist]

Here are three guys that beckon a top 20 position. Hopefully I will compile my top 20 list by the time this thread is through, taking into consideration eveyone that has been put up.

Johnny Dundee: Benny Leonard,Rocky Kansas, Ritchie Mitchell, Jimmy Goodrich, George KO Chaney, Patsy Kline, Charley White, Mexican Joe Rivers, Frankie Callahan, Leach Cross, Matt Wells and arguably Johnny Kilbane and Lew Tendler.

Mike Gibbons: Harry Greb, Jack Dillon, Al McCoy,Jimmy Clabby, Willie Brennan, Eddie McGoorty, Soldier Bartfield, Leo Houk, George Chip, Augie Ratner, Mike O’Dowd, Willie Lewis, Young Erne, Jack Denning, Sid Burns, Jack McCarron, Young Ahearn, Bob McAlister and arguably Packey McFarland and Ted Kid Lewis.

Abe Attell: George Dixon, Owen Moran, Johnny Kilbane, Battling Nelson, Aurelio Herrera, Harry Forbes, Kid Herman, Young Erne, Harlem Tommy Murphy, Jimmy Walsh, Patsy Kline, Matty Baldwin, George KO Chaney.




I'm still interested in exploring the resumes of guys like Kid Gavilan, Tommy Loughran, Tiger Flowers, Ike Williams, Beau Jack, Holman Williams and Jackie Kid Berg who may also be able to stake a claim.

[SuzieQ49]

Oh, I agree.

I just can't overlook Ezzard's total domination of Archie Moore and especially Charlie Burley.


total domination? Moore was robbed in the 2nd fight, and nearly knocked charles out in the 3rd fight.

[SuzieQ49]

How bout this one Lloyd Marshall


Charley Burley, Jake Lamotta, Ezzard Charles, Joey Maxim, Eddie Booker, Jack Chase, Freddie Mills, Anton Christoforidis, Lou Brouillard, Teddy Yarosz, Eddie Babe Risko, Johnny Bandit Romero



Archie Moore Belongs WAY up there

Harold Johnson 4x, Eddie Cotton, Lloyd Marshall 2x, Jimmy Bivins 5x, Joey Maxim 3x, Cocoa Kid, Holman Williams, Jack Chase 3x, Nino Valdez 2x, Bob Baker, Clarence Henry, Bob Satterfield, Jimmy Slade, Alejandro Lavorante, Hatchetman Sheppard 2x, Bert Lytell, Alabamba Kid, Ron Richards 2x, Shorty Hogue, Johnny Bandit Romera.......Thats some incredible depth.




how bout joey maxim just for an honorable mention???


Sugar Ray Robinson, Jersey Joe Walcott, Floyd Patterson, Jimmy Bivins.......plus the long list of contenders he beat........



Jersey Joe Walcott

Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles 2x, Elmer Ray 2x, Jimmy Bivins, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim 2x, Lee Q Murray, Hatchetman Sheppard 2x, Joe Baksi, Hein Ten Hoff, Tommy Gomez, Willie Reddish, Lorenzo Pack. Walcott has an oustanding win resume.

[Jack]

:lol:
What's funny?

Trinidad
Woods
Tarver
McCallum
Toney
Hopkins
Ruiz
Gonzalez
Griifin
Johnson

It could have been better, but it's still a great list of names. I'm not sure I'd nominate Jones, but it isn't laughable that he should be nominated either

[Senya13]

Jersey Joe Walcott
Joe Louis
BS.

[SuzieQ49]

BS.


Did Lennox beat holyfield in the first fight? just like walcott beat louis the first time.


The fact you listed a fat old 110% washed up felix trinidad as one of roy jones best wins is laughable

[Senya13]

The fact is Louis defeated Walcott twice. Everything else is subjective interpretation. Based on rules that governed the fight Louis won, many people who saw the fight live agreed with that result, so it wasn't any kind of consensus. If you gonna use subjective interpretation, then a lot of fighters' records will be a mess and much different from how they stand now. If you gonna apply a different (modern) rule-set to scoring old fights, then you'll probably end up with McVea scoring a TKO win over Jeannette, or things like that, which is BS.

What are you talking about, what Trinidad win being one of Jones' best? I only mentioned Trinidad's name once this year, claiming his natural weight is middleweight.

[SuzieQ49]

The fact is Louis defeated Walcott twice. Everything else is subjective interpretation. Based on rules that governed the fight Louis won, many people who saw the fight live agreed with that result, so it wasn't any kind of consensus.

That is not true. The whole crowd and reporters which were pro louis all disagreed with the decision, booed louis out of the ring. I have 15 rounds of the walcott-louis fight and walcott won at least 9 clear rounds. Even Louis thought he lost the fight.


If you gonna apply a different (modern) rule-set to scoring old fights, then you'll probably end up with McVea scoring a TKO win over Jeannette, or things like that, which is BS.

Im not applying a modern standard. walcott won at least 9 rounds of the fight and most non bias reports of the fight all claimed walcott won.


What are you talking about, what Trinidad win being one of Jones' best? I only mentioned Trinidad's name once this year, claiming his natural weight is middleweight.

No, Welterweight

[Senya13]

I already pointed out there were many observers, including respectable sports journalists, who scored the fight for Louis. The chairman of the athletic commission also admitted, that everything was fair, Louis won in accordance with scoring system used at the time. There was no "whole crowd and all reporters", as you claim, plenty of people thought Louis won. Majority disagreed, but majorities often aren't knowledgable enough to deside the winner, they don't know the rules of scoring that are being used at the time or at all. Some NY journalists who disagreed with verdict also admitted that with the scoring system used for that fight, Louis might have won indeed, even if it wasn't fair to Walcott.

Only a person who didn't follow Trinidad's career, his interviews and everything, can claim his natural weight is welterweight. The same people are claiming Hearns was always a natural welterweight as well.

[Vantage_West]

terry norris

quincy taylor
steve little
buster drayton
mugabi
ray leonard
don curry
jorge castro
carl daniels
mel taylor
mo blo
troy waters
simon brown
paul vaden.





i know not many of them are world beaterws but guys like waters, little and drayton you had to be pretty special to beat them.

[Vantage_West]

What's funny?

Trinidad
Woods
Tarver
McCallum
Toney
Hopkins
Ruiz
Gonzalez
Griifin
Johnson

It could have been better, but it's still a great list of names. I'm not sure I'd nominate Jones, but it isn't laughable that he should be nominated eitheri think people just dont agree with his record becuase he is seen as fighting bums alot of the time...which he did.

it's a bit like leonards record he beats alot of the best fighters out there but you could always put holes in his record same with de la hoya may have fought the best but never fought them when they were at there best or fought them when they had just lost or when they were exposed by somone else.

[Russell]

What's funny?

Trinidad
Woods
Tarver
McCallum
Toney
Hopkins
Ruiz
Gonzalez
Griifin
Johnson


He has a loss against Griffin.

An ancient McCallum in his final fight.

A not yet peaking Hopkin's.

Ruiz? :lol:

Old, multiple weightclass past his best AND inactive Trinidad?

Tarver, who he's 1-2 against and who also sparked him?

He's got a good resume. Very good.

Just not great.

[Minotauro]

total domination? Moore was robbed in the 2nd fight, and nearly knocked charles out in the 3rd fight.

The second fight was meant to be close could have gone either way I've never read it was a robbery.

[Russell]

Same.

I think Q's letting his bias creep into his posts again...!

[SuzieQ49]

Same.

I think Q's letting his bias creep into his posts again...!


I think your disrediting moores performances again. The Moore-Charles II fight was a very close fight that most thought Moore slightly edged. The 3rd charles fight was brutal, Each fighters taking control until the 8th when Moore hurt charles badly and went to finish him off and got caught coming in and knocked out. I talked to a man who was a huge ezzard guru who told me moore was ahead going into the 8th.