Floyd Patterson KO5 Archie Moore

[Sonny's jab]

How impressive was Floyd's KO of Archie ?

Considering that Moore had lasted into the 9th round with Marciano, and knocked him down, and kept getting up, how does Patterson's clinical finish compare to Rocky's performance ?

Among Floyd's results, where does this win over Moore fit ?

(And again, in reference to Marciano, how does the Moore win figure on Rocky's resume?)

[SuzieQ49]

It was a great win for floyd, perhaps his best performance. I think floyd matched up better with archie than marciano did. I also think Floyd got a more ruined version of Moore than the more Fresh Moore Marciano fought. Moore took a dreaful beating in the rocko fight, and it took a little out of him.....still a great win for floyd. Archie claimed the floyd fight was "the worst of my career" and archie desperatly wanted a rematch. He went in a 3to 1 favorite. huge upset. floyd knocked the shit out of archie.

[SuzieQ49]

Among Floyd's results, where does this win over Moore fit ?


2nd best to johannsons



(And again, in reference to Marciano, how does the Moore win figure on Rocky's resume?)

3rd best. Charles I and Walcott I were the top.

[Woddy]

How impressive was Floyd's KO of Archie ?

Considering that Moore had lasted into the 9th round with Marciano, and knocked him down, and kept getting up, how does Patterson's clinical finish compare to Rocky's performance ?

Among Floyd's results, where does this win over Moore fit ?

(And again, in reference to Marciano, how does the Moore win figure on Rocky's resume?)

That era was very weak. Patterson was no good and nor was the mongoose. Both were very small. Archie Moore had a very succky record. those guys really sucked.

[janitor]

Floyd did darn well there.

If he had lost then everybody would say that Moore beat an overmatched kid that night. It would have been a mark against Pattersons championship.

[Woddy]

Floyd did darn well there.

If he had lost then everybody would say that Moore beat an overmatched kid that night. It would have been a mark against Pattersons championship.

Those guys were bums

[janitor]

Those guys were bums

They cant help it right?

[mr. magoo]

I think Floyd's win over Archie Moore was a very good feat. Patterson was very young and inexperienced at the time, yet he managed to beat an all time great fighter with more ease than another all time great in Marciano. Yes, Moore was past his prime, but far from washed up as we saw in his future lightheavyweight title run. Patterson scored a great win here.

[mcvey]

It was a great win for floyd, perhaps his best performance. I think floyd matched up better with archie than marciano did. I also think Floyd got a more ruined version of Moore than the more Fresh Moore Marciano fought. Moore took a dreaful beating in the rocko fight, and it took a little out of him.....still a great win for floyd. Archie claimed the floyd fight was "the worst of my career" and archie desperatly wanted a rematch. He went in a 3to 1 favorite. huge upset. floyd knocked the shit out of archie.
Marciano ruined a lot of guys he probably took more out of Archie than was realised at the time plus he was hardly a youngster was he.Its a tribute to Moore that he still remained able to beat top competition after Rocky defeated him ,most of Rocky's challengers were "damaged goods "after he met them.

[RoccoMarciano]

(And again, in reference to Marciano, how does the Moore win figure on Rocky's resume?)

Doesn't amount to much except for the fact he was Marciano's last victim. Archie didn't really amount to much vs. a superior fighter like Marciano, and I sometimes wonder if Marciano didn't toy with him just a little... just to make Archie look a little better.

[PhillyPhan69]

Doesn't amount to much except for the fact he was Marciano's last victim. Archie didn't really amount to much vs. a superior fighter like Marciano, and I sometimes wonder if Marciano didn't toy with him just a little... just to make Archie look a little better.

I don't believe Rocky toyed with him at all. In the rounds where Archie employed his jab I believe he was controlling the action. Marciano seemed to wear him down taking the sting and speed eventually away from the jab and from there Archie had nothing to resist. He was not going to be effective in close...and it was only a matter of time!

[Russell]

Doesn't amount to much except for the fact he was Marciano's last victim. Archie didn't really amount to much vs. a superior fighter like Marciano, and I sometimes wonder if Marciano didn't toy with him just a little... just to make Archie look a little better.

Idiot. :lol:

Rocky was known for carrying fighters.

Gee, never would of figured that. :D:nut:lol:

[Marciano Frazier]

Well, truthfully, their results weren't all that different. Moore's knockdown of Marciano was a pretty superfluous thing, as you can see on the film- Rocky is coming in throwing a punch, is caught at an instance while his center of gravity is off and he's standing on one foot (freeze-frame), is down and up, doesn't wobble, back up or clinch, and wins the rest of the round. Not very significant in my estimation. And although Moore did end up lasting 'till the ninth round in comparison with the fifth against Patterson, note that he was all but knocked out in the sixth, and certainly a good few refs would have stopped the fight before that round was through.

Even still, Patterson does have the marginally better result against Moore. I would consider the Moore fight one of Patterson's top three career-best performances and top three biggest wins. For Marciano, I have a hard time sorting out which performance was "better" than which, but I would say the Moore showing was slightly below his best form, and that it ranks as the third to fifth best win of his career.

[RoccoMarciano]

Idiot. :lol:

Rocky was known for carrying fighters.

Gee, never would of figured that. :D:nut:lol:

Oh I don't know that this is such a stretch. Rocky likely knew he would be retiring soon, so why not make a guy look a little better that really had no ability to do any real damage?

I wish Rocky wouldn't have retired as soon as he did. Patterson would have amounted to nothing more than another fight in the W and KO columns for Marciano - of that, there is no doubt :good

[Mendoza]

Oh I don't know that this is such a stretch. Rocky likely knew he would be retiring soon, so why not make a guy look a little better that really had no ability to do any real damage?

I wish Rocky wouldn't have retired as soon as he did. Patterson would have amounted to nothing more than another fight in the W and KO columns for Marciano - of that, there is no doubt :good

Rocky never carried or took it easy on a fighter. Not even with his old hero Joe Louis.

Rocky looked less than ideal in the Moore fight. He missed badly many times, and became arm weary at time during the fight. Patterson was better than Moore as a heavyweight, and for my money would have been the hardest and fastest puncher Rocky ever faced.

If Rocky would have hung around a few more years, he would have been ripe for an upset loss. Rocky had some back problems and needed shots to fight. Due to his demanding style, Rocky felt it was wise to reitre when his body no longer enabled him to twist, and bend pain free. It was probably a wise move for Marciano.

[SuzieQ49]

and for my money would have been the hardest and fastest puncher Rocky ever faced.


fastest, yes. hardest? no. Walcott and Louis hit harder

[SuzieQ49]

According to a source, Pattersons freinds claimed that D amato wasnt about to throw Patterson in vs a live marciano and wanted to make sure he showed signs of slipping before they sent him in vs rock. Rockys management confronted pattersons camp in ealry 1956 to talk about a potential fight and Damato turned them down, saying Patterson is a year away from being ready to fight rocky, so the earliest this fight would have come off was probably 1957 in which rocky was turning 34.

[SuzieQ49]

Rocky looked less than ideal in the Moore fight. He missed badly many times

He was facing a defensive wizard that could make anyone miss badly at times. I thought rockys defense was fantastic in the moore fight.


you have to remember this is the Archie Moore who beat up the top young studs in the division Clarence Henry, Nino Valdez twice, and Bob Baker.

[OLD FOGEY]

He was facing a defensive wizard that could make anyone miss badly at times. I thought rockys defense was fantastic in the moore fight.


you have to remember this is the Archie Moore who beat up the top young studs in the division Clarence Henry, Nino Valdez twice, and Bob Baker.

I was stimulated by this thread to watch the youtube fights of Moore against Marciano, Parker, and Patterson. What impressed me was Moore lack of movement against Patterson. Moore was not a mover, but against Marciano and in the brief clip against the huge Parker, he does utilize lateral movement. Against Patterson it is as if his feet are riveted to the floor. He relies on blocking punches. He looks much slower against Patterson, and I don't think it is entirely relative because of Patterson's speed.
That said, my take was that Moore fought pretty well against Patterson until the knockout which appeared to come largely out of the blue. Floyd caught him with a perfect left and Archie was finished. I would have had the fight about even up to that point.
The Marciano fight was also about even through five until Marciano came on.
Interestingly, I don't see Moore ever beating Marciano because he gave it his best shot. Patterson, I don't know. Moore seemed to be fighting a deliberately paced fight to take it into the later rounds. He had trailed Johnson, Valdes, and Pompey late and then had come on. I think this was the game plan against Patterson, but he got caught and never got to the later rounds.
Another thought on Moore--except for Pompey, all his 1956 fights had been against heavies, mainly big heavies such as Parker. I think he might have been wiser to have fought a couple of fights with smaller, quicker moving men to prepare himself for Patterson.

[OLD FOGEY]

Rocky never carried or took it easy on a fighter. Not even with his old hero Joe Louis.

Rocky looked less than ideal in the Moore fight. He missed badly many times, and became arm weary at time during the fight. Patterson was better than Moore as a heavyweight, and for my money would have been the hardest and fastest puncher Rocky ever faced.

If Rocky would have hung around a few more years, he would have been ripe for an upset loss. Rocky had some back problems and needed shots to fight. Due to his demanding style, Rocky felt it was wise to reitre when his body no longer enabled him to twist, and bend pain free. It was probably a wise move for Marciano.

Marciano was not a young man for a swarmer. I see no reason he should have dragged out his career into his mid-thirties. With the possible exception of Louis because of his ko of Walcott in 1948, what earlier ATG champion had done anything to improve his status after the age of 32.

[SuzieQ49]

I was stimulated by this thread to watch the youtube fights of Moore against Marciano, Parker, and Patterson. What impressed me was Moore lack of movement against Patterson. Moore was not a mover, but against Marciano and in the brief clip against the huge Parker, he does utilize lateral movement. Against Patterson it is as if his feet are riveted to the floor. He relies on blocking punches. He looks much slower against Patterson, and I don't think it is entirely relative because of Patterson's speed.


I hate to take away Pattersons tremendous performance and victory over moore, but I do agree with this. Marciano was a well known ruiner, perhaps he took more out of archie than realized at the time.

Another thought on Moore--except for Pompey, all his 1956 fights had been against heavies, mainly big heavies such as Parker. I think he might have been wiser to have fought a couple of fights with smaller, quicker moving men to prepare himself for Patterson.

Keen observation!

[doug.ie]

although at the later stage of pattersons career...he was able to beat henry cooper {ko 4} easier than ali..