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evalistinho
04-13-2008, 12:52 AM
How can he improve this? or is he doomed? He seemed so discouraged against Margarito.

markbrooklyn
04-13-2008, 12:53 AM
He has no heart like i said a while ago and i knew margarito would beat him, Check my thread i made and you'll see

Kyroguy
04-13-2008, 12:55 AM
He get discouraged by anyone who doesn't go down immediatly from his punches

BigBone
04-13-2008, 12:56 AM
This is BS IMO. I'll punch you in the stomach if you don't believe how bad a body shot can be. Cintron fought a good fight, brawled with Margarito, landed some, took a lot and still fought back bravely. But you can't get up from a body shot like that.

Weak mentally? Total bullsh*t.

jrios
04-13-2008, 12:58 AM
What I hate most about Cintron is that he starts ducking and starts taking punches to the back of the head and uppercuts. Margo walking through his best punch ruined him mentally in this fight. Also, his cut did not help him mentally. He just didn't know what to do. He wasn't listening to his corner either.

fatdrunkenslob
04-13-2008, 01:00 AM
He get discouraged by anyone who doesn't go down immediatly from his punches That's true but I doubt many could take his power at 147. In fact, other than Margo who else could take flush shots from Cintron without getting dropped at welterweight? Probably Baldomir if he was still at 147 but I can't really think any except maybe Mosley.

psychopath
04-13-2008, 01:00 AM
I already posted that over and over and over long long time ago. :D

That's why I said he'll never make it past Margarito. :yep :lol:

cardstars
04-13-2008, 01:02 AM
Mental weakness is one thing that cannot be fixed

See Me Flow
04-13-2008, 01:03 AM
I truly thought Cintron would perform much better tonight. He's now dropped significantly.

Alo2006
04-13-2008, 01:03 AM
I'm convinced Cintron has no skills! :-(

nezy37
04-13-2008, 01:06 AM
He got brutalized and essentially quit. Yeah that body shot was significant but he got out of what could have won him the fight, jabing and throwing bombs from the outside and cliching Margo when he got inside. It was Margo's pressure that got him out of it so yeah I guess he is mentally weak.

BlueApollo
04-13-2008, 01:06 AM
This is BS IMO. I'll punch you in the stomach if you don't believe how bad a body shot can be. Cintron fought a good fight, brawled with Margarito, landed some, took a lot and still fought back bravely. But you can't get up from a body shot like that.

Weak mentally? Total bullsh*t.

You know, I'm going to agree here to a point. The outcome wasn't all that different, but his attitude in there tonight was something his fans should take some pride in. He gave as good as he got for about three rounds, then took his beating like a man until his body gave out.

This was not the guy from two years ago who was silently begging his corner to give him a way out.

At the same time, it would have shown me MORE mental toughness if he'd been able to follow through with a plan B once plan A didn't work. Cintron is what he is, a hard punching good athlete with a very straightforward skill set.

aceshigh
04-13-2008, 01:08 AM
I was very surprised that he even wanted this fight again.

Did this fight turn out exactly as Manny expected it to?

cardstars
04-13-2008, 01:08 AM
I truly thought Cintron would perform much better tonight. He's now dropped significantly.
I second that

RingKing
04-13-2008, 01:12 AM
Kermit did the best he could and took ALOT of punches. Margo is just a better fighter period.

Ditto!!

jlrivera81
04-13-2008, 01:20 AM
kermit looked like a bitch tonight. i know he got hit hard, but you could tell he was discouraged by the way he was complaining to the ref over things that were his fault. he doesnt have that mental edge needed to be great in the ring.

SOUTHERMOST
04-13-2008, 01:37 AM
Cintron got nailed few times looking the referee for help a serious flaw in a boxer no survival instinct very robotic a perfect punching bag he almost start crying again because of the eye cut he is done.

Thinman
04-13-2008, 01:38 AM
Any boxer who is limited in skills will lose (9 out of 10 times) a fight where his opponent doesn't go down.

Bubba
04-13-2008, 01:39 AM
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jupzrooni
04-13-2008, 02:27 AM
I'm convinced Cintron has no skills! :-(

he has some skills but mentally he pees on his pants when he is under pressure

audio101
04-13-2008, 02:29 AM
Weak? Did you guys not see the shots he was taking?!

audio101
04-13-2008, 02:33 AM
Fuck All Of You, He Has More Heart Than Any Of You For Taking A Rematch First Of All, Second Of All He Won Back And Forward Slugfests With Estrada And Feliciano, Showing Heart. Fuck All Of You Internet Assholes

Agreed.

Fedor Em
04-13-2008, 02:34 AM
This kid just simply does not know how to fight under pressure. He took so many bombs before that wicked body punch. I thought he would have went down before that. Margarito was brutalizing him. It is not Cintron's chin it is the mental state he is in when he fights! No proper clinching, he should have tried to push Margarito completely off him and also did not even try to use footwork or gain distance. He just ducked down and let Margo tee off on him. :-( That jab and straight right were almost completely useless.

gruuby
04-13-2008, 02:34 AM
Fuck All Of You, He Has More Heart Than Any Of You For Taking A Rematch First Of All, Second Of All He Won Back And Forward Slugfests With Estrada And Feliciano, Showing Heart. Fuck All Of You Internet Assholes

Grow some balls fool. This is an internet discussion forum. On topic: Cintron has huge balls for taking that fight, but he folds under pressure from the elite.

audio101
04-13-2008, 02:36 AM
Grow some balls fool. This is an internet discussion forum. On topic: Cintron has huge balls for taking that fight, but he folds under pressure from the elite.

But on here that = he's a bitch, pussy, ect, ect...:patsch

Ambition_Def
04-13-2008, 02:40 AM
No he didn't fold tonight like he did in the other fight. He was actually just dropped by a very hard body punch. That can happen to any hard ass (it also happened to Margo way back when too).

Cintron is not going to be an elite. It's just got to be said now. We've seen his max game and he's just going to be able to steamroll the C level fighters and maybe get in some B names, but the A class are going to beat him.

I still think he knocks Williams out though.

RafaelGonzal
04-13-2008, 02:48 AM
He tried but was quitting soon after things got tough once again, but hey the guy is a pro fighter and Im sitting on my ass critiqing so I dont want to be harsh! but still Margo is too much for him and all Margo does is put pressure and throw a high volume of punches. I mean this guy lost to Williams! I cant believe Cintron cant overcome this very ordinary tough guy, I just think he menatlly get passed the challenge. He looked like a statue out there stiff and unathletic.

gruuby
04-13-2008, 02:56 AM
No he didn't fold tonight like he did in the other fight. He was actually just dropped by a very hard body punch. That can happen to any hard ass (it also happened to Margo way back when too).

Cintron is not going to be an elite. It's just got to be said now. We've seen his max game and he's just going to be able to steamroll the C level fighters and maybe get in some B names, but the A class are going to beat him.

I still think he knocks Williams out though.

Dude, did you watch the fight? He was turning away from Margo and begging the ref to intervene. He was kayoed but the defeat began way earlier.

Farmboxer
04-13-2008, 02:58 AM
At least Cintron had the guts to fight Margarito, which is better than Mayweather running from him. It took guts to get into the ring with Margarito. Margarito beat the crap out of Williams but got robbed, Williams refused to give Margarito a rematch because he knew he lost that fight, but gets a rematch after losing to Quintana, figures.

Ambition_Def
04-13-2008, 03:00 AM
Dude, did you watch the fight? He was turning away from Margo and begging the ref to intervene. He was kayoed but the defeat began way earlier.

Oh no doubt. I dislike that shit myself and it's a cheap way to try and get leverage in a fight. But that said he did not crumble like the first fight. In the first fight he was clearly beaten without being knocked out. In this fight he was knocked out clearly on a body shot. It wasn't that he didn't try. He hit Margo with everything he had. He just is not at that level. Nothing to be ashamed of.

ghost123
04-13-2008, 03:01 AM
Cintron is mentally weak. I am really surprised that anyone would dispute this. Cintron and Judah share similar problems. Both are physically talented, but seem to lack the heart.

jrios
04-13-2008, 03:03 AM
He did better when you compare his performance to his last one against Margo..His problem is that he relies solely on his power and when the guy in front of him (Margarito) just walks through his best punches, he starts getting frustrated and doesn't know what to do...he has 27 KO's in 29 wins, that's a lot of freaking power that he relies on, and when you throw a somewhat of a haymaker with that kind of power and your opponent takes it and smiles and keeps coming, that's when he thinks "WTF now"...

gruuby
04-13-2008, 03:07 AM
Cintron is mentally weak. I am really surprised that anyone would dispute this. Cintron and Judah share similar problems. Both are physically talented, but seem to lack the heart.

Good comparison. Now I wanna see Judah vs Cintron.

Farmboxer
04-13-2008, 03:10 AM
He would have knocked Gomez out tonight, so would Margarito.

Dorfmeister
04-13-2008, 03:36 AM
Wat did you expect? "My hands were up high and he hit me with a left uppercut to the body, I couldn't breath.''... So why did he have those hands high up there if he was supposed to be the hardest hitter and make his fists talk for himself? Like I said before, the fists have no will of their own and you gat to face the beast and discourage it with your stare. I did expect it to go a little bit longer but Kermit will be back, he's a good, exciting fighter but very weak mentally.

CJLightweight
04-13-2008, 04:20 AM
oh just stfu cintron had a lot of guts to take this fight unlike some other i know

freelaw
04-13-2008, 06:06 AM
Mental weakness is one thing that cannot be fixed

I disagree. It is possible. One example is Golota. He showed maturity and a lot of heart recently.

scurlaruntings
04-13-2008, 06:43 AM
This is BS IMO. I'll punch you in the stomach if you don't believe how bad a body shot can be. Cintron fought a good fight, brawled with Margarito, landed some, took a lot and still fought back bravely. But you can't get up from a body shot like that.

Weak mentally? Total bullsh*t.I like Cintron i think his a good kid and a decent fighter but the facts remain his body language was that of a guy that had given up. He turned his head, he complained to the ref, he walked to a neutral corner, he complained some more.. The fight simply wasnt going his way. He fought Margos fight and margo stayed in his grill for all 6 rounds. He tried to give it back but when fighters punch back Cintron loses. He doesnt have a plan B and he certainly didnt box. I found really ironic why Steward at the beginning of round 6 finally told his charge to box?!?! Wasnt it a bit late for that? Cintron can still make some noise but against and iron chinned brawler like Margo his going to get beat 10 times out of 10. His got to learn to clamp down and bite that gum shield and simply throw punches back. Margo simpy threw more punches with more on them. Cintron just wilted.

Arriba
04-13-2008, 07:08 AM
It depends on what you mean by weak.

I don't think he lacks heart or courage...but he definitely didn't show a whole lot of brains in there thinking he could scrap with Margarito and allowing himself to be smothered like that. He fought the same fight here like he did against Jesse Feliciano...except Margo hits harder.

Everyone has one guy who has their number. Margarito is Cintron's guy.

boxingbull
04-13-2008, 07:19 AM
mental weakness is what seperates mayweather from judah (i always felt he had the tools to be on his level if not a better level). but getting back to cintron he is very talented a boxer that has power, can use his height well at times, could be hell for any fighter when he boxes from the outside, but guy just has mental breakdowns and those are one of the few traits in boxing that has rarley gets fixed next to a boxers chin.

Arriba
04-13-2008, 07:31 AM
mental weakness is what seperates mayweather from judah (i always felt he had the tools to be on his level if not a better level). but getting back to cintron he is very talented a boxer that has power, can use his height well at times, could be hell for any fighter when he boxes from the outside, but guy just has mental breakdowns and those are one of the few traits in boxing that has rarley gets fixed next to a boxers chin.

In my eyes it's worse than a bad chin.

Good defense and recouperative powers can somewhat balance out a bad chin. Ring generalship and mental bravado are two things that are nearly impossible to gain.

The sad thing is Cintron is a nice guy and has the #1 equalizer in power. Too bad he can't figure out how the fuck to use it on the next tier.