Are the people who claim Hopkins made racist comments actually racist themselves?

[Rumsfeld]

Serious question here.

For I am extremely hard-pressed to see how any grown man could be upset over the allegedly racist remarks of Bernard Hopkins ("ain't gonna lose to no white boy").

That was hardly racist!

In fact, it's such a non-issue than I'm baffled people are even bringing it up still.

I mean, sure, it is true that had the roles been reversed, it would have been considered racist but that doesn't make it right! People are way too fucking sensitive these days. MERE WORDS, nothing more.

I wonder if those who are throwing a hissy fit over Bernard's comments are overcompensating. Meaning, are they really that upset over what Hopkins said? Because I know some people suffer from major sensitivity issues, but by and large, those are WOMEN!

That so many men are crying over some stupid comment is laughable.

Perhaps, deep down, these people are actually racist themselves, and exhibiting anger over what the perceive as an unjust double standard?

Thoughts?

:smoke

[whit]

Serious question here.

For I am extremely hard-pressed to see how any grown man could be upset over the allegedly racist remarks of Bernard Hopkins ("ain't gonna lose to no white boy").

That was hardly racist!

In fact, it's such a non-issue than I'm baffled people are even bringing it up still.

I mean, sure, it is true that had the roles been reversed, it would have been considered racist but that doesn't make it right! People are way too fucking sensitive these days. MERE WORDS, nothing more.

I wonder if those who are throwing a hissy fit over Bernard's comments are overcompensating. Meaning, are they really that upset over what Hopkins said? Because I know some people suffer from major sensitivity issues, but by and large, those are WOMEN!

That so many men are crying over some stupid comment is laughable.

Perhaps, deep down, these people are actually racist themselves, and exhibiting anger over what the perceive as an unjust double standard?

Thoughts?

:smoke


That's what it comes down to.:good

[Boxfan1]

Well, if Calzaghe had called Hopkins a "black boy" that would have been a pretty big deal. So yes, I think Mary Hopkins made a racist remark.

[Rumsfeld]

You should be upset, it's your Peeps that Hopkins hates.

Well, I'm a white euro-mutt who's as white as they come and I don't see how any reasonable person could be offended by such meaningless words.

:smoke

[TFFP]

It implied that white fighters could never dream of reaching the level to beat him, which carries racist undertones. I don't think he is clever enough to have meant that, he's just a gobshite

I don't really give a fuck, but it hardly sets a great example. But if you don't mind that, I'm sure you guys won't mind us booing your anthem in future

[Rumsfeld]

Well, if Calzaghe had called Hopkins a "black boy" that would have been a pretty big deal. So yes, I think Mary Hopkins made a racist remark.

So you concede, you're just putting your own racist behavior on display out of anger over the double standard?

I didn't think anyone would actually admit that, but power to you!

:smoke

[Atritionist]

Everything now days is about politicaly correctness. so I can see how some sensitive fucks out there would precive the statement as racist. now would they still feel the same way if Hopkins loses and says" Damn, that was one tough white boy!" would that be racist, or viewed as endearing?

[MetroMan]

My first reaction was to laugh and smile when I heard Hopkins' words. If someone said 'hey,white boy' on the street to you, you wouldn't be that bothered, would you?

[at1]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] hopkins "TAKE THAT U punk ass white boy!!"

[Arriba]

It's a way to build to the fight. Don King and the people who represented Gerry Cooney did it constantly.

Although I wonder if Hopkins would let a Smurf beat him.

[Bodysnatcher]

I don't think anyone who knows what Hopkins is about could be offended by it. Everything Hopkins says is designed to attract attention to Bernard Hopkins, fame to Bernard Hopkins and, most importantly, money to Bernard Hopkins.

I don't think he means half the shit that comes out of his mouth, he just thrives on the attention and being in the spotlight.

I was initially offended, but then I calmed down and realised that I was being sucked into a promotional game.

[Rumsfeld]

I don't think anyone who knows what Hopkins is about could be offended by it. Everything Hopkins says is designed to attract attention to Bernard Hopkins, fame to Bernard Hopkins and, most importantly, money to Bernard Hopkins.

I don't think he means half the shit that comes out of his mouth, he just thrives on the attention and being in the spotlight.

I was initially offended, but then I calmed down and realised that I was being sucked into a promotional game.

A very reasonable take.

:good

[surreal deal]

ive always disapproved and been critical of things like Nazism,KKK,the BNP party etc,so using your deep profound method of exposing bigotry through reverse psychology;
YES,im a huge,huge racist, on a horse with white robes on torching villages as we speak.:nut :roll:

[gruuby]

Right, because to judge a statement as racist you need to be one yourself. Now if you mean the people who retaliate with derogatory statements of their own then we agree.

[Bodysnatcher]

I mean, it patently WAS a racist comment, it was one man implying that another man can't be his equal solely because of his race.

The question isn't whether it was racist but whether it was anything more than an act.

In my view, it wasn't.

Pure theatre.

I generally don't get offended when an actor I'm watching speaks a racist piece of dialogue...because the actor is just reading from a script.

[Rumsfeld]

Right, because to judge a statement as racist you need to be one yourself.

Generally speaking...

:smoke

[iceman]

So you concede, you're just putting your own racist behavior on display out of anger over the double standard?

I didn't think anyone would actually admit that, but power to you!

:smoke

If the roles were reversed JC would be percieved as a racist and we would be hearing from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton but when Hopkins said what he said i just laughed.I just thought it was funny, i'm not sure how he said it but i guessed he was stirring up shit to promote the fight.
People in general are way to sensitive(mostly women like you said:lol: ) especially when it comes to racial issues.Just look at what that dumb white broad said about lynching Tiger Woods.He didn't give a dam but the poor cow got suspended from her job

[Boxfan1]

You know, had he just changed one word "boy" to "man" nobody would be talking about this. I remember Lennox saying before the fight with Vitali that he didn't want to lose to a "white fighter". At least Lennox respected Vitali and his race enough to address him properly in a way that wasn't racist. He just called Vitali exactly what he is, a white fighter. But Mary decided to use "boy" instead of "man" or "fighter" and now we have this thread.

[Arriba]

If the roles were reversed JC would be percieved as a racist and we would be hearing from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton but when Hopkins said what he said i just laughed.I just thought it was funny, i'm not sure how he said it but i guessed he was stirring up shit to promote the fight.
People in general are way to sensitive(mostly women like you said:lol: ) especially when it comes to racial issues.Just look at what that dumb white broad said about lynching Tiger Woods.He didn't give a dam but the poor cow got suspended from her job

The noose issue is another

[surreal deal]

But Mary decided to use "boy" instead of "man" or "fighter" and now we have this thread.
Whos mary?:huh

[Bodysnatcher]

You know, had he just changed one word "boy" to "man" nobody would be talking about this. I remember Lennox saying before the fight with Vitali that he didn't want to lose to a "white fighter". At least Lennox respected Vitali and his race enough to address him properly in a way that wasn't racist. He just called Vitali exactly what he is, a white fighter. But Mary decided to use "boy" instead of "man" or "fighter" and now we have this thread.

The thing with Lennox is that he really meant that and wasn't saying it for effect.

I thought Lennox was more enlightened than to come out with a comment like that. I was dissappointed in him.

[Boxfan1]

Mary Hopkins. Like Mary Poppins.

[MancMexican]

Mary Hopkins. Like Mary Poppins.

avatar girl?

[Boxfan1]

avatar girl?

Yes she is.

[iceman]

The noose issue is another

It sure was and that idiot editor got fired, i think.

[MancMexican]

Yes she is.

:lol:

[surreal deal]

The thing with Lennox is that he really meant that and wasn't saying it for effect.

I thought Lennox was more enlightened than to come out with a comment like that. I was dissappointed in him.
Its pretty much socially acceptable for black fighters to insult white ones.
This thread proves that.
You think Rumsey would have started this thread to defend Joe if he called Hops a black boy?I think not.
Then again,my opinion cant be trusted, as i can see how Hops words could be construed as offensive and racist,thus making me,according to Sigmund Rumsey,racist myself.

[surreal deal]

Mary Hopkins. Like Mary Poppins.
:lol: :good

[surreal deal]

I'm more offended by the fact that he doesnt wear that stupid mask anymore to hide his ugliness from the Earth, like Quasimodo used to back in the Bell Tower.
"OSCARELDA":nutcase

[mattress]

As stupid as I think the statement that was made by Hopkins, I don't think he's any more racist than your average, black jailbird from Philly.

[Boxfan1]

Would it be racist if a hispanic fighter says he will never let a gringo or a negro beat him?

[mofo2]

Serious question here.

For I am extremely hard-pressed to see how any grown man could be upset over the allegedly racist remarks of Bernard Hopkins ("ain't gonna lose to no white boy").

That was hardly racist!

In fact, it's such a non-issue than I'm baffled people are even bringing it up still.

I mean, sure, it is true that had the roles been reversed, it would have been considered racist but that doesn't make it right! People are way too fucking sensitive these days. MERE WORDS, nothing more.

I wonder if those who are throwing a hissy fit over Bernard's comments are overcompensating. Meaning, are they really that upset over what Hopkins said? Because I know some people suffer from major sensitivity issues, but by and large, those are WOMEN!

That so many men are crying over some stupid comment is laughable.

Perhaps, deep down, these people are actually racist themselves, and exhibiting anger over what the perceive as an unjust double standard?

Thoughts?

:smoke
Its simple.....if Joe had said, I aint gonna lose to no Black boy...it would be classed as racist,of that there is no doubt...whats pissed me off as a white person is that I accept its not right or proper to make comments about a mans skin colour so as to be derogatory, as do most white people with the exception of a few numbskulls....but the black community feel they have a right to pass the comments of as nothing, and then accuse us of having sensitivity issues because we think he's a cheeky cunt....thats were the double standards lie and not with us.

[Rumsfeld]

Its simple.....if Joe had said, I aint gonna lose to no Black boy...it would be classed as racist,of that there is no doubt...whats pissed me off as a white person is that I accept its not right or proper to make comments about a mans skin colour so as to be derogatory, as do most white people with the exception of a few numbskulls....but the black community feel they have a right to pass the comments of as nothing, and then accuse us of having sensitivity issues because we think he's a cheeky cunt....thats were the double standards lie and not with us.

As a champion of free speech, I think too much emphasis is placed on words, and I reject political correctness as nothing more than a fancy phrase which advocates censorship.

[Duende]

I couldn't care less about what Hopkins said as a whiteboy myself, but his comments were racist. You can spin it all you want, he made a racist statement, most whiteys just don't give a crap though(as they should).

[mofo2]

As a champion of free speech, I think too much emphasis is placed on words, and I reject political correctness as nothing more than a fancy phrase which advocates censorship.
I'm not saying that the comments were serious...lets face it they were fuck all really and made me smile when I first heard them,but when you take the time to think about such a simple sentence and look at a sportsman and a person in the public eye..I think he should have had the intelligence to act responsibly and not be a smartass to that extent......I agree there is a crazy amount of polotical correctness gone mad,but maybe thats why this Black guy who no doubtedly has been abused by moronic white trash for the colour of his skin should have said fuck all like he did.

[gruuby]

As a champion of free speech, I think too much emphasis is placed on words, and I reject political correctness as nothing more than a fancy phrase which advocates censorship.
You could support the freedom of speech but you don't have to be retarded and accept everything everybody says. You can and should place value judgments on other's statements. For example, just because you have the right to say whatever you want it doesn't mean you should. Just try saying something improper about my wife in my presence. I'll respect your freedom of speech but will whoop your ass regardless. Free speech, including hate speech is protected in the US. That's why you get to spew your illogical, ethnocentric rants on here even though you don't have a leg to stand on.

*Edit*
Just today for example, representative Davis had to appoligize for calling Obama 'boy.'
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[mofo2]

I couldn't care less about what Hopkins said as a whiteboy myself, but his comments were racist. You can spin it all you want, he made a racist statement, most whiteys just don't give a crap though(as they should).I agree...I just get fucked off when i'm told the comments were not racist....because they quite clearly were even if the intent was'nt.

[platnumpapi]

Serious question here.

For I am extremely hard-pressed to see how any grown man could be upset over the allegedly racist remarks of Bernard Hopkins ("ain't gonna lose to no white boy").

That was hardly racist!

In fact, it's such a non-issue than I'm baffled people are even bringing it up still.

I mean, sure, it is true that had the roles been reversed, it would have been considered racist but that doesn't make it right! People are way too fucking sensitive these days. MERE WORDS, nothing more.

I wonder if those who are throwing a hissy fit over Bernard's comments are overcompensating. Meaning, are they really that upset over what Hopkins said? Because I know some people suffer from major sensitivity issues, but by and large, those are WOMEN!

That so many men are crying over some stupid comment is laughable.

Perhaps, deep down, these people are actually racist themselves, and exhibiting anger over what the perceive as an unjust double standard?

Thoughts?

:smoke

you hit the nail on head :good

if look like a duck and quack like a duck its a duck.

[gruuby]

Generally speaking...

:smoke

Well, then it follows from your own statement that you are racist. Think about it. If you claim that you have to be racist to judge a statement as racist. Then aren't you racist judging others' statements as racist?

[BigReg]

Its simple.....if Joe had said, I aint gonna lose to no Black boy...it would be classed as racist,of that there is no doubt...whats pissed me off as a white person is that I accept its not right or proper to make comments about a mans skin colour so as to be derogatory, as do most white people with the exception of a few numbskulls....but the black community feel they have a right to pass the comments of as nothing, and then accuse us of having sensitivity issues because we think he's a cheeky cunt....thats were the double standards lie and not with us.

Do you see how you just blatantly contradicted yourself? On one hand you say that it's not right or proper to make comments about someone's skin color as to be derogatory, you then follow that up by implying that the black community is predjudice and hypocritical.

[BigReg]

I agree...I just get fucked off when i'm told the comments were not racist....because they quite clearly were even if the intent was'nt.

There has to be an intent for racism to occur, otherwise it's called a prejudice. I think people need to brush up on their terminology.

[gruuby]

There has to be an intent for racism to occur, otherwise it's called a prejudice. I think people need to brush up on their terminology.

Seems like you need to read up yourself. Few definitions for you:
* Prejudice or discrimination based on an individual's race;
* or racialism is a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. ( clearly Bhop thinks he's superrior to white fighters )

[BigReg]

Seems like you need to read up yourself. Few definitions for you:
* Prejudice or discrimination based on an individual's race;
* or racialism is a form of discrimination based on race, especially the belief that one race is superior to another. ( clearly Bhop thinks he's superrior to white fighters )


This definition is bullshit, that is not an accurate definition of racism.

Let's tackle the second one. Bernard did not say that blacks are a superior race than whites. He said that he would never lose to a white boy. He also never discriminated against Calzaghe or any other white person. He explained his comments by saying that from his exprience, it is mostly blacks and hispanics that box.

If you believe that it's mostly blacks and hispanics that box, it's easy to see how someone could come to the conclusion that blacks and hispanics are better boxers than whites. It's a predjudice, but it's not neccessarily racist. If whites don't box as much as blacks they won't be as good. It's not that they don't have the ability to box, but rather that they just don't box. If more of them boxed and took the sport as seriously as blacks or hispanics, they would be better(I'm not saying that this is how I feel, but rather explaining why this is an issue of predjudice or stereotyping rather than racism).

[mofo2]

Do you see how you just blatantly contradicted yourself? On one hand you say that it's not right or proper to make comments about someone's skin color as to be derogatory, you then follow that up by implying that the black community is predjudice and hypocritical.There is no contradiction what so ever....the overall view from the community is that the comment was'nt sufficient to be classed as racist ,although it was a dig at the colour of his skin......predjudice,well some are....hypocritical....well some are again...........read it again and take all the things I have said in context.

[gruuby]

This definition is bullshit, that is not an accurate definition of racism.

Let's tackle the second one. Bernard did not say that blacks are a superior race than whites. He said that he would never lose to a white boy. He also never discriminated against Calzaghe or any other white person. He explained his comments by saying that from his exprience, it is mostly blacks and hispanics that box.

If you believe that it's mostly blacks and hispanics that box, it's easy to see how someone could come to the conclusion that blacks and hispanics are better boxers than whites. It's a predjudice, but it's not neccessarily racist. If whites don't box as much as blacks they won't be as good. It's not that they don't have the ability to box, but rather that they just don't box. If more of them boxed and took the sport as seriously as blacks or hispanics, they would be better(I'm not saying that this is how I feel, but rather explaining why this is an issue of predjudice or stereotyping rather than racism).
How naive. So you'd call Hopkin's statement 'prejudice against white fighters' then? No matter how you spin it, Bhop feels white boxers are inferior and that's racist.

[BigReg]

How naive. So you'd call Hopkin's statement 'prejudice against white fighters' then? No matter how you spin it, Bhop feels white boxers are inferior and that's racist.

I gave you a detailed explanation, and this is what you come back with. Let's hear from B-Hop.


“Other people have no clue about that. Welcome to the real world. Stop acting like you’re in a box or in a closet, you are not naive. You’re all comfortable saying it at home when the door is closed. People say a lot of things which are not politically correct in private because they don’t want to lose their jobs or their status."



“We dominate boxing, Africans, Hispanics, people of colour, we dominate this sport. That’s why it’s so important when a white guy comes along they call him the Great White Hope and make a movie about him. I didn’t take that as racist. I took that as them wanting to represent themselves as a culture in the struggle of who’s better than whom. I invite any kind of competition and I don’t care if they are blue, green, white or pink."


The sad thing is, most rational people would not label Hopkins as a racist. However, I think many white people feel that they are the only ones who hold the burden of being politically correct. They get so tired of walking on eggshells that they pounce on the opportunity to label someone else as a racist. The fact of the matter is, the term racism is thrown around way too much in this world. Hopkins' comments were ill advised and prejudice. However, they were not racist and he is not a racist.

There are differences between different races and people notice these differences. White people are generally better swimmers than black people. Does this mean whites are superior to blacks or that blacks don't have the ability to swim? The answer is no. However, it is plain as day that they take more of an interest in swimming than blacks, and therefore are better at it, in general, than blacks.

[Club Fighter]

This is all a bunch of bullshit. The comment wasn't remotely racist. Why would he wanna lose to a White boy? That's not what champions do. Champions win. And he ain't fixin' to get his ass kicked by nobody.

[TheChamp1000]

I'm not saying that the comments were serious...lets face it they were fuck all really and made me smile when I first heard them,but when you take the time to think about such a simple sentence and look at a sportsman and a person in the public eye..I think he should have had the intelligence to act responsibly and not be a smartass to that extent......I agree there is a crazy amount of polotical correctness gone mad,but maybe thats why this Black guy who no doubtedly has been abused by moronic white trash for the colour of his skin should have said fuck all like he did.

If joe says this then the shit hits the fan big time and everybody is crying their eyes out at the racist calzaghe, if he meant it or not this comment would get joe in serious trouble. Double standards.

[Jack]

This definition is bullshit, that is not an accurate definition of racism.The Oxford English dictionary describes racism as:

"Discrimination against or antagonism towards other races"

Pretty much what he said.

[Bigcat]

Ok , let me run through that once more...

Bernard says .. He will never lose to a white boy....

And everyone who heard it is racist..

What a fuckin arsehole..

[BigReg]

The Oxford English dictionary describes racism as:

"Discrimination against or antagonism towards other races"

Pretty much what he said.

That's another stupid definition. Furthermore, when the hell did he discriminate against anyone?

[Bigcat]

Picture this...
Joseph Calzaghe states at the final presser quote..

" I would never be seen to lose to a Black man... "

The fuckin boot would change and all shit hits the fan..

You can't have one rule for one and one for another..

I hate these kinds of issues and it shows class when Joe doesn't dig down deep and low enough to make such a rough edged comment and neither would I.. But if he did .. I am sure it would not be brushed over so quickly by all concerned..

If you do .. you are completely delluded......

[gruuby]

I gave you a detailed explanation, and this is what you come back with. Let's hear from B-Hop.





The sad thing is, most rational people would not label Hopkins as a racist. However, I think many white people feel that they are the only ones who hold the burden of being politically correct. They get so tired of walking on eggshells that they pounce on the opportunity to label someone else as a racist. The fact of the matter is, the term racism is thrown around way too much in this world. Hopkins' comments were ill advised and prejudice. However, they were racist and he is not a racist.

There are differences between different races and people notice these differences. White people are generally better swimmers than black people. Does this mean whites are superior to blacks or that blacks don't have the ability to swim? The answer is no. However, it is plain as day that they take more of an interest in swimming than blacks, and therefore are better at it, in general, than blacks.
I keep it short, because you keep on repeating yourself, trying to justify Bernard's xenophobic rant. Finally you admit that his comment was racist. I never argued that Hopkins is racist. I don't know him, I could only judge his comments. This particular one is racist. Your opinion about black vs white swimmers is acknowledged. I agree that there are (probably) more white swimmers and therefore they dominate. These are statistics, neutral facts. However if a white person would go on a record saying that he'll never lose to a black boy there would be hell to pay. And rightfully so. I though, I already supplied the link to the white politician claiming that blacks are on average worse swimmers in his experience and it cost him election, and he had to apologize. Here you go again:
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[BigReg]

I keep it short, because you keep on repeating yourself, trying to justify Bernard's xenophobic rant. Finally you admit that his comment was racist. I never argued that Hopkins is racist. I don't know him, I could only judge his comments. This particular one is racist. Your opinion about black vs white swimmers is acknowledged. I agree that there are (probably) more white swimmers and therefore they dominate. These are statistics, neutral facts. However if a white person would go on a record saying that he'll never lose to a black boy there would be hell to pay. And rightfully so. I though, I already supplied the link to the white politician claiming that blacks are on average worse swimmers in his experience and it cost him election, and he had to apologize. Here you go again:
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Hopinks' comments were definately not xenophic. To call it a xenophobic rant is silly. Also, I did not admit that the comments were racist, that was a typo. Once again, your politician example is stupid. It's called political correctness for a reason. Fucking politicians will say whatever they have to in order to get elected. If Hopkins was running for office, he would apologize as well. Furthermore, you have no idea if that comment is why he lost the election. All you know is that he made these comments and lost. Just because event B followed event A, doesn't event B was caused by event A. Read this article about Schwarzenegger, and keep in mind this mother fucker was still elected governor without having any political experience.

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[gruuby]

That's another stupid definition. Furthermore, when the hell did he discriminate against anyone?
I think you missed that 'or' in the definition. "Discrimination against OR antagonism towards." Not AND. Only one condition needs to be satisfied for the statement to be true. 'Antagonism towards' fits the bill qute nicely here. Also what is your definition and where does it come from? You are sure quick to dismiss sources like Oxford dictionary as bullshit. Put up or shut up.

[Bigcat]

Thankyou , someone knows what i am talkin about .. Bernard may not be a racist and actually having takin a lift in his car a few years ago i find him so unracist its untrue.. But in fact.. The comment in question would and is by many deemed a racist comment....

Black guy states that he is gonna dominate over a white guy...

White Guy states that he is gonns be dominant over a black guy..

Both statements in todays touchy planet pass as racist.. Its the way the world has turned .. and it is a shame..


I think its best left alone.. God bless fellers...

[joe33]

Means shit really,good angle to build he fight,but can you imagine the shitstorm there would have been here if joeC had said "no way i lose to a black BOY",and you all know thats true

[BigReg]

I think you missed that 'or' in the definition. "Discrimination against OR antagonism towards." Not AND. Only one condition needs to be satisfied for the statement to be true. 'Antagonism towards' fits the bill qute nicely here. Also what is your definition and where does it come from? You are sure quick to dismiss sources like Oxford dictionary as bullshit. Put up or shut up.

The or antagonism towards is what makes it a stupid definition. It's too vague. If a black guy calls a white guy a pussy, he's certainly showing antagonism towards another race but he sure as hell isn't being racist. The point is, many things can be considered antagonistic without being racist, which is why that part of the definition is stupid.

[TheChamp1000]

Thankyou , someone knows what i am talkin about .. Bernard may not be a racist and actually having takin a lift in his car a few years ago i find him so unracist its untrue.. But in fact.. The comment in question would and is by many deemed a racist comment....

Black guy states that he is gonna dominate over a white guy...

White Guy states that he is gonns be dominant over a black guy..

Both statements in todays touchy planet pass as racist.. Its the way the world has turned .. and it is a shame..


I think its best left alone.. God bless fellers...

In fairness you can see the limited response the hopkins comment has got in the main stream press. We on a boxing forum are discussing it because a boxer has made the statement.

If Joe made the comment it would be international news and everybody would be talking about racist calzaghe. Whether or not calzaghe used it to sell the fight, he would still get very bad press etc. Not happening to Hopkins at the moment, why?

[MetroMan]

Thankyou , someone knows what i am talkin about .. Bernard may not be a racist and actually having takin a lift in his car a few years ago i find him so unracist its untrue.. But in fact.. The comment in question would and is by many deemed a racist comment....

Black guy states that he is gonna dominate over a white guy...

White Guy states that he is gonns be dominant over a black guy..

Both statements in todays touchy planet pass as racist.. Its the way the world has turned .. and it is a shame..


I think its best left alone.. God bless fellers...

Nicely put. God bless, yourself!:good

[gruuby]

Hopinks' comments were definately not xenophic. To call it a xenophobic rant is silly. Also, I did not admit that the comments were racist, that was a typo. Once again, your politician example is stupid. It's called political correctness for a reason. Fucking politicians will say whatever they have to in order to get elected. If Hopkins was running for office, he would apologize as well. Furthermore, you have no idea if that comment is why he lost the election. All you know is that he made these comments and lost. Just because event B followed event A, doesn't event B was caused by event A. Read this article about Schwarzenegger, and keep in mind this mother fucker was still elected governor without having any political experience.

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Fair enough: most likely cost him the election. He was the frontrunner until that point and that statement unleashed a shitstorm. Arnold's case is hearsay, Hopkins is on the record.

[lillarry]

Means shit really,good angle to build he fight,but can you imagine the shitstorm there would have been here if joeC had said "no way i lose to a black BOY",and you all know thats true

It would not of gained any traction because Joe is virtually unknown in the states

[Jack]

That's another stupid definition. Furthermore, when the hell did he discriminate against anyone?
I don't care about what Hopkins has said. You argued that the earlier definition of racism was incorrect, which it isn't. The Oxford Dictionary is the English language, so I don't know how you can call it's definitions stupid. It can never be wrong.

[mturner77]

Good post. I think generally the people who are really upset by the comment actually harbor deep racist feelings toward black people. They get tired of being called racists because in their minds this is injust, which also means they choose not to acknowledge racism and their social position. So when a black person makes a "racist comment" it's an excuse to point to the finger and say, "see, black people are racist too!". I've heard people get real nasty about it to, practially saying they want Hopkins lynched. I'm not approving of Hopkins comments, I think we can all agree that it was an ignorant thing to say. However, you have to take into consideration the history of racism, both past and present. We don't live in a perfect world with a level playing field where race isn't a factor, otherwise we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Whether you want to accept it not, whites are in power and blacks have been victimized by racism for hundreds of years now. Yes, I know things have improved, blacks are no longer lynched but racism is still very present. All you have to do it drive through the "bad" part of town and the "good" part of town and you'll notice the color divide.

As a parallel example you can look at it like a class system of a privileged ruling class and a peasant class. If you look at this way you can understand why if a peasant said "I'll never lose to someone from the ruling class!" would not have the same effect as the opposite. Not a perfect example but I hope it gets the point across.

[Lance_Uppercut]

Serious question here.

For I am extremely hard-pressed to see how any grown man could be upset over the allegedly racist remarks of Bernard Hopkins ("ain't gonna lose to no white boy").

That was hardly racist!

In fact, it's such a non-issue than I'm baffled people are even bringing it up still.

I mean, sure, it is true that had the roles been reversed, it would have been considered racist but that doesn't make it right! People are way too fucking sensitive these days. MERE WORDS, nothing more.

I wonder if those who are throwing a hissy fit over Bernard's comments are overcompensating. Meaning, are they really that upset over what Hopkins said? Because I know some people suffer from major sensitivity issues, but by and large, those are WOMEN!

That so many men are crying over some stupid comment is laughable.

Perhaps, deep down, these people are actually racist themselves, and exhibiting anger over what the perceive as an unjust double standard?

Thoughts?

:smoke

It wasn't racist. At least not by the definition of racism. Some posters are just ulta-sensitive I guess.

[surreal deal]

I couldn't care less about what Hopkins said as a whiteboy myself, but his comments were racist. You can spin it all you want, he made a racist statement, most whiteys just don't give a crap though(as they should).
Agreed.I dont give a rats arse as such,i just object to the principle of it;i.e.Pops can say what he likes,but if it was reversed all hell would break loose.'You can insult me,but it shouldnt invoke less outrage than if i insult you.'Thats wrong and dumb.

[Decebal]

Yeah, I am racist because I think a racist comment is racist...:roll:

Great logic, that!:lol:

If that were the case, the only non-racist people would be the ones making racist remarks and claiming they were not racist remarks or those who didn't think any remarks at all could be racist!:nut

[surreal deal]

As a champion of free speech, I think too much emphasis is placed on words, and I reject political correctness as nothing more than a fancy phrase which advocates censorship.
"Champion of free speech?":huh - how many of us want a quasi fascist draconian society where what we say is censored and punishable.Thats about as unique and worthy as being a 'champion of porn or alcohol'
Political correctness is open to interpretation Rumsey.
"Its only pops saying what he likes,being ghetto and hyping the fight,but hes black,so its ok,no problem"
I think THAT is political correctness gone mad.

[surreal deal]

Yeah, I am racist because I think a racist comment is racist...:roll:

Great logic, that!:lol:

If that were the case, the only non-racist people would be the ones making racist remarks and claiming they were not racist remarks!:nut
Its a terrible line of argument Decebal.A total cop out.Criticising racism merely exposes ones own racism,thereby as a consequence giving racist people an untouchable status?Dumb.

[Boro chris]

I don't think anyone who knows what Hopkins is about could be offended by it. Everything Hopkins says is designed to attract attention to Bernard Hopkins, fame to Bernard Hopkins and, most importantly, money to Bernard Hopkins.

I don't think he means half the shit that comes out of his mouth, he just thrives on the attention and being in the spotlight.

I was initially offended, but then I calmed down and realised that I was being sucked into a promotional game.

You've basically said what I wanted to say. I was outraged at first but then came to realise I was getting my pants in a twist over very little.:D

[Rumsfeld]

You could support the freedom of speech but you don't have to be retarded and accept everything everybody says.

On the flipside, it's retarded to be upset over such a harmless statement like so many oversensitive people apparently are.

Much ado about nothing.


:smoke

[Rumsfeld]

Good post. I think generally the people who are really upset by the comment actually harbor deep racist feelings toward black people.

That's my whole point, and it's pretty obvious some are a lot more upset over this silly comment than others.

:smoke

They get tired of being called racists because in their minds this is injust, which also means they choose not to acknowledge racism and their social position. So when a black person makes a "racist comment" it's an excuse to point to the finger and say, "see, black people are racist too!". I've heard people get real nasty about it to, practially saying they want Hopkins lynched.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

[drvooh]

Serious question here.

For I am extremely hard-pressed to see how any grown man could be upset over the allegedly racist remarks of Bernard Hopkins ("ain't gonna lose to no white boy").

That was hardly racist!

In fact, it's such a non-issue than I'm baffled people are even bringing it up still.

I mean, sure, it is true that had the roles been reversed, it would have been considered racist but that doesn't make it right! People are way too fucking sensitive these days. MERE WORDS, nothing more.

I wonder if those who are throwing a hissy fit over Bernard's comments are overcompensating. Meaning, are they really that upset over what Hopkins said? Because I know some people suffer from major sensitivity issues, but by and large, those are WOMEN!

That so many men are crying over some stupid comment is laughable.

Perhaps, deep down, these people are actually racist themselves, and exhibiting anger over what the perceive as an unjust double standard?

Thoughts?

:smoke That is crap,,Are you gonna tell me and everyone else here that if Joe said " I aint never gonna lose to no black boy ", that would be a small issue? Jrssr Jackson/Mr QUITE FRANKLY, Stephen Smith. and other leaders, as well as the NAACP, woul demand a pblic apology ....you and the rest of the liberal geeks on here know that :twisted::twisted::twisted:

[Rumsfeld]

That is crap,,Are you gonna tell me and everyone else here that if Joe said " I aint never gonna lose to no black boy ", that would be a small issue? Jrssr Jackson/Mr QUITE FRANKLY, Stephen Smith. and other leaders, as well as the NAACP, woul demand a pblic apology ....you and the rest of the liberal geeks on here know that :twisted::twisted::twisted:

Let me put it this way. I fucking hate political correctness, and I refuse to let such nonsense warp my perspective on things.

Was it racist when Don Imus referred to the Rutgers basketball team as "nappi-headed hos"? In my view, NO.

Likewise, it was not racist when Hopkins said he would not lose to no "white boy".

People are too fucking sensitive.

:smoke

[drvooh]

Let me put it this way. I fucking hate political correctness, and I refuse to let such nonsense warp my perspective on things.

Was it racist when Don Imus referred to the Rutgers basketball team as "nappi-headed hos"? In my view, NO.

Likewise, it was not racist when Hopkins said he would not lose to no "white boy".

People are too fucking sensitive.

:smoke I lived in sothwest CT ( Cos Cob ), when Imus sid that..it was dumb, and Jesse Jackson had to apologize for calling the Jewish area " Hymietown "..If Jesse had to apologize, why not Imus and Hopkins??....People are sensitive, and that should bekept in mind

[Montero]

Serious question here.

For I am extremely hard-pressed to see how any grown man could be upset over the allegedly racist remarks of Bernard Hopkins ("ain't gonna lose to no white boy").

That was hardly racist!

In fact, it's such a non-issue than I'm baffled people are even bringing it up still.

I mean, sure, it is true that had the roles been reversed, it would have been considered racist but that doesn't make it right! People are way too fucking sensitive these days. MERE WORDS, nothing more.

I wonder if those who are throwing a hissy fit over Bernard's comments are overcompensating. Meaning, are they really that upset over what Hopkins said? Because I know some people suffer from major sensitivity issues, but by and large, those are WOMEN!

That so many men are crying over some stupid comment is laughable.

Perhaps, deep down, these people are actually racist themselves, and exhibiting anger over what the perceive as an unjust double standard?

Thoughts?

:smoke

I agree that people are WAY too sensative these days. However, I think the double standard in today's society is what most people are pissed off about. I for one, would be quite interested to see what the reaction would have been had Calzaghe said "I ain't gonna lose to no black boy" for no good reason. I assume Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and their slaves would be marching in Vegas during the week of the fight demanding a public apology.

[Montero]

I lived in sothwest CT ( Cos Cob ), when Imus sid that..it was dumb, and Jesse Jackson had to apologize for calling the Jewish area " Hymietown "..If Jesse had to apologize, why not Imus and Hopkins??....People are sensitive, and that should bekept in mind

Dog - Imus was fucking fired and had to make a public apology! He got WAY more heat over his comments than ANYTHING that Jackson has EVER done (and that's saying a lot because Jackson is one crooked, ignorant SOB)...

Hopkins will get his punishment on Saturday night.

[Rumsfeld]

I lived in sothwest CT ( Cos Cob ), when Imus sid that..it was dumb, and Jesse Jackson had to apologize for calling the Jewish area " Hymietown "..If Jesse had to apologize, why not Imus and Hopkins??....People are sensitive, and that should bekept in mind

As far as I'm concerned, Imus and Hopkins had NOTHING to apologize for.

With regards to Jackson, he's just a fucking moron who should have known better, him being a politician and all.

[surreal deal]

Let me put it this way. I fucking hate political correctness, and I refuse to let such nonsense warp my perspective on things.

Was it racist when Don Imus referred to the Rutgers basketball team as "nappi-headed hos"? In my view, NO.

Likewise, it was not racist when Hopkins said he would not lose to no "white boy".

People are too fucking sensitive.

:smoke Ive never heard ANYONE say'political correctness?' yes i love it its great',so youre hardly the 'Spartacus of free speech' you portray yourself as Rumsey.Who doesnt support freedom of speech?Hops for you can say what he likes,but you want to scupper peoples right to be pissed off at his comments,by calling them racist?Wheres their freedom of speech?

Yes screw Political correctness,we all agree,if it gives a free pass to Hopkins that Joe wouldnt get.A form of P.C. which youre upholding.Positive discrimination basically.
people do like consistency and fairness,few supports dumb P.Correctness however,the shield you hide behind.

[Rumsfeld]

Ive never heard ANYONE say'political correctness?' yes i love it its great',so youre hardly the 'Spartacus of free speech' you portray yourself as Rumsey.

What the fuck are you talking about? There are plenty of people who oppose various aspects of free speech, whether it be by endorsing quotas, campaign finance reform, censorship, or whatnot.

Who doesnt support freedom of speech?Hops for you can say what he likes,but you want to scupper peoples right to be pissed off at his comments,by calling them racist?Wheres their freedom of speech?

When did I deny anyone their free speech?
:lol:

I'm just saying, it seems to me, those who bitch and whine over such a silly comment seem to be ones filled with deep-seated racism.

Yes screw Political correctness,we all agree,if it gives a free pass to Hopkins that Joe wouldnt get.A form of P.C. which youre upholding.Positive discrimination basically.

I'm being consistent here. Imus said nothing that warranted an apology and neither did Hopkins.


:smoke

[surreal deal]

The problem with freedom of speech is that it isnt fair as we dont all have it in the same way.Its for a select priviliged few.Sure i can say what i like,but its not going in the papers or tv is it?Why should words be seen as more relevant and meaningful because someone famous said them.Its elitist.It suits people with a platform,but does nothing for the average Joe.

Theres better things to campaign for than Hopkins right to be racist and things like that.If freedom of speech is just defending celebrities rights to abuse it and publicly spout whatever shit they think of,its not that important.

As i said ,if youre not a public figure,nobody cares what you say,which is fine,but i couldnt give a toss if Britney Spears views on Iraq are upheld or suppressed to be honest.Ive got better things to worry about.

[mturner77]

That's my whole point, and it's pretty obvious some are a lot more upset over this silly comment than others.

Yep. I actually thought about it a little more and there's seems to be a couple different types of reactions.

1) The person who really has no harsh feelings toward black people and wishes no harm though they may still have some racist feelings. They aren't real comfortable with the ideal of their social position so the "double standard" example is a way to rationalize things.

2)The type of person who generally hates black people and mutters the n-word in private. You can think of it like someone who hates a classmate or co-worker. If that classmate or co-worker makes a negative comment about that person it's a perfect excuse to let out those bottled feelings and start a fight with them. You can also probably their post history and you'll notice a pattern of who they choose to attack and defend.

[Rumsfeld]

The problem with freedom of speech is that it isnt fair as we dont all have it in the same way.Its for a select priviliged few.Sure i can say what i like,but its not going in the papers or tv is it?Why should words be seen as more relevant and meaningful because someone famous said them.Its elitist.It suits people with a platform,but does nothing for the average Joe.

Uhmmm....you're leaving out an important part of the equation here.

As i said ,if youre not a public figure,nobody cares what you say,which is fine,but i couldnt give a toss if Britney Spears views on Iraq are upheld or suppressed to be honest.Ive got better things to worry about.

Britney has views on Iraq?

:smoke

[surreal deal]

Uhmmm....you're leaving out an important part of the equation here.



Britney has views on Iraq?

:smoke
ok,thats a bit far fetched.:D
Anyway,i do see what you mean Rumsey,and once would have fought the good fight with you on principle,but now i cant be bothered worrying about well known peoples rights to have their utterances broadcast in the media.
Thats all it amounts to really,isnt it?
I,alas, no longer give a toss,theres better things to fight for.

[Rumsfeld]

ok,thats a bit far fetched.:D
Anyway,i do see what you mean Rumsey,and once would have fought the good fight with you on principle,but now i cant be bothered worrying about well known peoples rights to have their utterances broadcast in the media.
Thats all it amounts to really,isnt it?
I,alas, no longer give a toss,theres better things to fight for.

Well, the thing I think you're missing is that media outlets also have a right to free speech.

For instance, when that liberal pussy Tim Robbins bitched and moaned that his free speech was being violated because the Baseball Hall of Fame did not allow him to speak at some annual event, he mistakenly believed his free speech was being infringed when, clearly, it wasn't.

The Baseball Hall of Fame has a right to allow whomever they want to speak at any event they sponsor, and they excercised THEIR right to free speech by denying that shithead the right to spew his anti-American rhetoric.

I see the point you are making, but it's not really a free speech issue.

[surreal deal]

Yes i suppose what i support is the notion that people have the right to be annoyed at Hops,without themselves being accused of racism when artculating that grievance;That sort of social pressure IS an insidious form of censorship.
If you cry foul yourself,you run the risk of being called bigoted by another.Thats not right.

We have a problem in England wherein if you complain about uncontrolled immigration,you run a high risk of being called racist.That is a suppression of free speech.Likewise Claiming people who are annoyed at Hops are inherently racist is just applying a social pressure,hoping they will be too ashamed to speak out.
I dont buy it.

[K2ray]

Yes i suppose what i support is the notion that people have the right to be annoyed at Hops,without themselves being accused of racism when artculating that grievance;That sort of social pressure IS an insidious form of censorship.If you cry foul yourself,you run the risk of being called bigoted by another.

We have a problem in England wherein if you complain about uncontrolled immigration,you run a high risk of being called racist.That is a suppression of free speech.Likewise Claiming people who are annoyed at Hops are inherently racist is just applying a social pressure,hoping they will be to ashamed to speak out.
I dont buy it.

I bet your one of these naive white brits who think the UK is the least racist country in the world, like Obama would be elected in a heart beat in the all things equal land that is Britain:roll::patsch

IAnother example, Jay-Z not selling out Glastonbury (for the first time in its history) is another example of how pure and innocent the UK is. Fuck-off!

[K2ray]

surreal deal, on a boxing note explain to me why is it every time a black american boxier fights a white britidh one, according to the British press, the whole world (this includes the continent of Africa) is supposed on the white boxers side...like its good (white) vs evil (black)!

[bumdujour]

surreal deal, on a boxing note explain to me why is it every time a black american boxier fights a white britidh one, according to the British press, the whole world (this includes the continent of Africa) is supposed on the white boxers side...like its good (white) vs evil (black)!


err, what??? source??

[The Kurgan]

I bet your one of these naive white brits who think the UK is the least racist country in the world, like Obama would be elected in a heart beat in the all things equal land that is Britain:roll::patsch

Europe is a pretty racist place and it's true it is often forgotten. I just hope it doesn't get worse; I'd hate to live in a really racist continent, like Africa.

IAnother example, Jay-Z not selling out Glastonbury (for the first time in its history) is another example of how pure and innocent the UK is. Fuck-off!

Actually, that has more to do with the fact that Glastonbury people tend not to be hip-hop people. I could have told you that Jay Z would not be a hit there before he was even signed. It's like the Sisters of Mercy/Public Enemy tour: it's not a question of race, it's a question of genre.

[The Kurgan]

surreal deal, on a boxing note explain to me why is it every time a black american boxier fights a white britidh one, according to the British press, the whole world (this includes the continent of Africa) is supposed on the white boxers side...like its good (white) vs evil (black)!

Why wouldn't Africans support a British boxer? :twisted:

[surreal deal]

surreal deal, on a boxing note explain to me why is it every time a black american boxier fights a white britidh one, according to the British press, the whole world (this includes the continent of Africa) is supposed on the white boxers side...like its good (white) vs evil (black)!
I Cant explain it,because i dont think its the case.The beauty of boxing is that it transcends race,a great fighter is a great fighter,regardless.
It wasnt Calzaghe who made race an issue,it was Hops.This thread shouldnt even exist,but it does,thanks to you know who.

[K2ray]

err, what??? source??

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And everyone can tell you that Kes Hatton's Dad symbolized the PBF fight as GOOD vs EVIL:deal:hi:

[K2ray]

Europe is a pretty racist place and it's true it is often forgotten. I just hope it doesn't get worse; I'd hate to live in a really racist continent, like Africa.



Actually, that has more to do with the fact that Glastonbury people tend not to be hip-hop people. I could have told you that Jay Z would not be a hit there before he was even signed. It's like the Sisters of Mercy/Public Enemy tour: it's not a question of race, it's a question of genre.
Kylie Minogue is really fits into the Glastonbury genre, doesn't she:patsch..stop making excuses. I'll leave it to a British journalist to explain it to you [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[K2ray]

Why wouldn't Africans support a British boxer? :twisted:
Neither won't they despise a black American boxer like the way some racist British journalists assume (The ole trick of using the colonialist stereotype of Africa)...like they never witnessed what was the Rumble in the Jungle. BITCHES

[surreal deal]

I bet your one of these naive white brits who think the UK is the least racist country in the world, like Obama would be elected in a heart beat in the all things equal land that is Britain:roll::patsch

IAnother example, Jay-Z not selling out Glastonbury (for the first time in its history) is another example of how pure and innocent the UK is. Fuck-off! Naive Brit?
youre not qualified to judge my credulity or intelligence,so forgot that idea.
Your objections arent even related to what i said anyway.When did i say Britain was a racial utopia.
But yes JAY Z not selling out has pushed race relations back hundreds of years and has nothing to do with Hip hop not being all that popular over here.:roll:
Fuck off back btw

[K2ray]

Naive Brit?
youre not qualified to judge my credulity or intelligence,so forgot that idea.
Your objections arent even related to what i said anyway.When did i say Britain was a racial utopia.
But yes JAY Z not selling out has pushed race relations back hundreds of years and has nothing to do with Hip hop not being all that popular over here.:roll:
Fuck off back btw

Source, please

BTW, I take it eminem being white doesn't count for yer?:patsch

[surreal deal]

Kylie Minogue is really fits into the Glastonbury genre, doesn't she:patsch..stop making excuses. I'll leave it to a British journalist to explain it to you [Only registered and activated users can see links]
Europe is largely racist yes.There are neo nazi organisations popping up all the time,and we,sadly, have our own BNP;Racism is a global scourge,we know that,but What is your point though?Do you have one or are you just enjoying playing Martin Luthor King?

[K2ray]

My point like Rumfield eluded in his titel is that many brits who are screaming about racism over what Hopkins said are racist themselves...look how most folks here try to EQUATE what Hopkins said to what the racist briit Alan Minter said (around a posse of BNP/skin head types mind you) about Marvin Hagler!..RIDICULOUS

[K2ray]

Europe is largely racist yes.There are neo nazi organisations popping up all the time,and we,sadly, have our own BNP;Racism is a global scourge,we know that,but What is your point though?Do you have one or are you just enjoying playing Martin Luthor King?
Don't try and shift this (we all know about mainlaind Europe), I'm referring to the UK and its fake portrayal as a utopia for all races.

[surreal deal]

Source, please

BTW, I take it eminem being white doesn't count for yer?:patsch
No it doesnt.I cant defend the honour of any rap and hip-hop artists because i dont like any of it or care enough to bother.I know JAY Z is not a Glastonbury type of artist,but that is hardly evidence of 'Racist Britain' as much as differring musical tastes and demographics.

[K2ray]

No it doesnt.I cant defend the honour of any rap and hip-hop artists because i dont like any of it or care enough to bother.I know JAY Z is not a Glastonbury type of artist,but that is hardly evidence of 'Racist Britain' as much as differring musical tastes and demographics.

So because you personally don't like Rap, you come to the conclusion that its not popular in the UK and therefore not worthy of headlining a Summer festival:lol:

...bet you don't like basketball either.

[Ramshall1]

the premise of the thread is just stupid

[Rumsfeld]

the premise of the thread is just stupid

Says one of ESB's most vocally racist posters.

:smoke

[surreal deal]

Don't try and shift this (we all know about mainlaind Europe), I'm referring to the UK and its fake portrayal as a utopia for all races. I mentioned our BNP,what more do you want.
There is a large racist contingent in Britain and i said in an earlier post its not a 'racial Utopia'.I wish it was.
What do you want me to do about it though?,you seem to think i have a 'racial harmony magic wand',but refuse to use it.Very odd.
Why are you rattling my cage-IM NOT PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR BRITAINS RACISM PROBLEM.

[K2ray]

Why are you rattling my cage-IM NOT PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR BRITAINS RACISM PROBLEM.

Nothin personnel. Just getting the word out there to the esb folks who don't know.

[Ramshall1]

Says one of ESB's most vocally racist posters.

:smoke

I dont hate race, I hate dumb . . so I despise you. :lol:

[surreal deal]

So because you personally don't like Rap, you come to the conclusion that its not popular in the UK and therefore not worthy of headlining a Summer festival:lol:

...bet you don't like basketball either.
Of course-my personal likes and dislikes dictates Britains cultural obsessions and preferences.If one day i decide,say, belly dancing should become a national past time,it will happen.I have such Godlike power.
Rap,basketball?Ok you got me;i control all British minds and can make them or break them in a second,but prefer to keep them in the background,just to annoy you.

[surreal deal]

Nothin personnel. Just getting the word out there to the esb folks who don't know. Know what Gandhi?Im sure they know Britain has racist elements,without you having to tell them.Not that they could have a smarter teacher.

[K2ray]

Know what Gandhi?

Obi-One c'mon, the truth.

[surreal deal]

Obi-One c'mon, the truth.
Im flattered you see me as a beacon of truth,but im bored,so find yourself another guru.

[K2ray]

Im flattered you see me as a beacon of truth,but im bored,so find yourself another guru.

I was being ironic..somehow I think your comparsion between, a real beacon of knowledge, Ghandi and I, was not:lol:

BTW, no comment on the post asking for sources (and these were just a few examples I gave you).:hi:

[surreal deal]

I was being ironic..somehow I think your comparsion between, a real beacon of knowledge, Ghandi and I, was not:lol:

BTW, no comment on the post asking for sources (and these were just a few examples I gave you).:hi: :hi:
(thank God for that)
God knows why you were trying to pick a fight with me.Racism is evil and wrong and i feel shame any Englander is guilty of it.We agree on this,so it was all unnecessary really,wasnt it?Our aimless discussion.

[Boxfan1]

Sometimes irony can be pretty ironic.

[surreal deal]

Sometimes irony can be pretty ironic.
Imagine being an ironic irony user in the iron age.

[Boxfan1]

Imagine being an ironic irony user in the iron age.

That would be ironic to the second power. So would that not be ironic?

[Feiti]

Saying you will not lose to someone because they are of a certain race is pretty much as racist as you can get, because it suggests that this specific race is somehow inferior to yours. So yeah, of course this was a racist comment. Do I care? Nope, I´m white but I really couldn´t care less and it doesn´t offend me the least. I just think Hopkins wants to rile people up. Even if he meant it I wouldn´t be offended, cause then the comment would just say something about him and nothing more.

[T.S.]

Comments are made to sell fights.
Hopkins past his prime, Calzaghe will remain undefeated...

[drvooh]

Dog - Imus was fucking fired and had to make a public apology! He got WAY more heat over his comments than ANYTHING that Jackson has EVER done (and that's saying a lot because Jackson is one crooked, ignorant SOB)...

Hopkins will get his punishment on Saturday night. Thanks for straighting me out on that..It was so long ago for me, I forgot Imus got hit...
:good

[Lance_Uppercut]

Saying you will not lose to someone because they are of a certain race is pretty much as racist as you can get, because it suggests that this specific race is somehow inferior to yours. So yeah, of course this was a racist comment. Do I care? Nope, I´m white but I really couldn´t care less and it doesn´t offend me the least. I just think Hopkins wants to rile people up. Even if he meant it I wouldn´t be offended, cause then the comment would just say something about him and nothing more.


:patsch Hopkins did not say he would win BECAUSE Calzaghe is white...he just said he won't lose to him. There's a HUGE difference there.

Am I one of the ONLY people here with reading comprehension or something?

[pipe wrenched]

:patsch Hopkins did not say he would win BECAUSE Calzaghe is white...he just said he won't lose to him. There's a HUGE difference there.

Am I one of the ONLY people here with reading comprehension or something?

Well said Lance!

[gruuby]

Nothin personnel. Just getting the word out there to the esb folks who don't know.

Hmm, I was under the apparently false impression that Britain is far less racist then the US. That Jaz Z article was interesting too. Props.

[drvooh]

:patsch Hopkins did not say he would win BECAUSE Calzaghe is white...he just said he won't lose to him. There's a HUGE difference there.

Am I one of the ONLY people here with reading comprehension or something? The whole thing is this..was it necessary to mention race?...why did he have to do it??

[sues2nd]

Anyone up in arms over this comment a Tyson fan by any chance? Or how about Ali....you guys like Ali? Just a question....

(this question gets ignored 99.999999999999% of the time...lets see if someone has the balls to answer this time)

[Lance_Uppercut]

The whole thing is this..was it necessary to mention race?...why did he have to do it??


Simple. He doesn't want to lose to no white boy. :lol:

I don't know, probably to 'hype' it up. It's a cheap tactic, but does work to an extant. It gives the casual viewer the impression that there may be some animosity amongst the two.

[drvooh]

Simple. He doesn't want to lose to no white boy. :lol:

I don't know, probably to 'hype' it up. It's a cheap tactic, but does work to an extant. It gives the casual viewer the impression that there may be some animosity amongst the two. about 90% kiss and hug after each fight, i wonder if these 2 will:think

[sues2nd]

Still no answers...

So, come on. Simple question, to the people who were offended by Hopkins comment...are ya Ali and Tyson fans?

[birddog]

deletd

[bloomstomb]

Serious question here.

For I am extremely hard-pressed to see how any grown man could be upset over the allegedly racist remarks of Bernard Hopkins ("ain't gonna lose to no white boy").

That was hardly racist!

In fact, it's such a non-issue than I'm baffled people are even bringing it up still.

I mean, sure, it is true that had the roles been reversed, it would have been considered racist but that doesn't make it right! People are way too fucking sensitive these days. MERE WORDS, nothing more.

I wonder if those who are throwing a hissy fit over Bernard's comments are overcompensating. Meaning, are they really that upset over what Hopkins said? Because I know some people suffer from major sensitivity issues, but by and large, those are WOMEN!

That so many men are crying over some stupid comment is laughable.

Perhaps, deep down, these people are actually racist themselves, and exhibiting anger over what the perceive as an unjust double standard?

Thoughts?

:smoke


Heres my thoughts. We are living in a country that is more and more so becoming PC. It makes me sick. It realy does. I have no idea why anyone would consider Hopkins remarks racist. Its the same shit everywhere. When that radio talkshow host called those black girls from that basketball team nappy headed hoes the same crap happened. Was it racist? Hardly. Was it entertainement? For some. Hopkins is promoting as the host was entertaining.

USA has become a touchy feely PC nation where its never christmas and allways Xmas and the jews complain about santa in schools and the gays complain they can't get married and the blacks complain they can't get good jobs and the whites complain the blacks took all their jobs and the puertoricans don't wanna pay taxes and the Congress who holds hearings on steroids in baseball.

The only peopple not complaining are the mexicans. They work their asses off , make a honest living and we have rednecks who hunt them with dogs down in texas.

Meanwhile the real issues go right under the radar because we are so fucking occupied with what Hopkins said and all the other bullshit. The dollar becoming more and more worthless everyday, the war for oil in iraq is going great for the oil companies but poorly for our kids, taxpayer supported wallstreet, brokerage firms being bailed out by the governement while noone bails out Joe who lost his house, a president who has the vocabulary of a half retard , the intelligence of a egg and the temperment of a 5 yearold, and a governement who puppeteers him who's priority #1 is not you and me, but EXXON and Mobile and Phillip Morris to name a few.


Do I think Hopkins remarks were racist? No. Do I think the attention those remarks detract from real issues? You bet.:fire

[bloomstomb]

How naive. So you'd call Hopkin's statement 'prejudice against white fighters' then? No matter how you spin it, Bhop feels white boxers are inferior and that's racist.


Or that maybe he is promoting the fight.

[Mrboogie23]

Still no answers...

So, come on. Simple question, to the people who were offended by Hopkins comment...are ya Ali and Tyson fans?


theres no way that they'll answer. They're gonna ignore the question.

[Boom_Boom]

Im not offended by it because Hopkins about to get a beat down from a white boy this saturday and Calzaghe will get arrested afterwards for committing a hate crime.

Its a win win situation for me.

[MancMexican]

Heres my thoughts. We are living in a country that is more and more so becoming PC. It makes me sick. It realy does. I have no idea why anyone would consider Hopkins remarks racist. Its the same shit everywhere. When that radio talkshow host called those black girls from that basketball team nappy headed hoes the same crap happened. Was it racist? Hardly. Was it entertainement? For some. Hopkins is promoting as the host was entertaining.

USA has become a touchy feely PC nation where its never christmas and allways Xmas and the jews complain about santa in schools and the gays complain they can't get married and the blacks complain they can't get good jobs and the whites complain the blacks took all their jobs and the puertoricans don't wanna pay taxes and the Congress who holds hearings on steroids in baseball.

The only peopple not complaining are the mexicans. They work their asses off , make a honest living and we have rednecks who hunt them with dogs down in texas.

Meanwhile the real issues go right under the radar because we are so fucking occupied with what Hopkins said and all the other bullshit. The dollar becoming more and more worthless everyday, the war for oil in iraq is going great for the oil companies but poorly for our kids, taxpayer supported wallstreet, brokerage firms being bailed out by the governement while noone bails out Joe who lost his house, a president who has the vocabulary of a half retard , the intelligence of a egg and the temperment of a 5 yearold, and a governement who puppeteers him who's priority #1 is not you and me, but EXXON and Mobile and Phillip Morris to name a few.


Do I think Hopkins remarks were racist? No. Do I think the attention those remarks detract from real issues? You bet.:fire

good rant. puts things in perspective!

[Rumsfeld]

The whole thing is this..was it necessary to mention race?...why did he have to do it??

Hype, mere hype.

:smoke

[K2ray]

Hmm, I was under the apparently false impression that Britain is far less racist then the US. That Jaz Z article was interesting too. Props.

PM and I'll give you links on another cover up job by white british esb members on here Steven Lawrence:deal

[The Kurgan]

Kylie Minogue is really fits into the Glastonbury genre, doesn't she:patsch..stop making excuses. I'll leave it to a British journalist to explain it to you [Only registered and activated users can see links]

Of course she does. I know far more festival people who like Minogue than festival people who like Jay Z. In fact, all of the people I know who turn up to these things actively hate hip-hop.

As for the article, I wouldn't believe anything I read in the Gaurdian (or bother to read it if avoidable, given the quality of the prose) but if you look at the article the writer gives his own suggestion of the causes-

Suggestions that festival fatigue, poor weather or hordes of rival festivals have stopped people rushing to buy tickets have been set aside, because apparently Noel Gallagher knows better: it's all Jay-Z's fault ([Only registered and activated users can see links]).

- based on that, I would assume that the writer is saying that Gallagher is making a facile point by blaming the festival ticket shortfall on Jay Z. I honestly haven't followed the story as its unfolded, but aside from a rather lame use of the BNP to tarnish Gallagher (I didn't know that Gaurdian writers browsed far-right message boards) there seemed to be nothing race related in the entire thing.

I'm not convinced that Gallagher was taking a racist attitude, although admittedly I haven't read what the tit said. The Oasis members are well know for being dismissive of all other genres; no-one would suggest that they are anti-alien for calling Manowar a crappy metal band, would they?

K2ray, you are one of the most racially-obsessed people I have ever met in Europe.

[The Kurgan]

Neither won't they despise a black American boxer like the way some racist British journalists assume (The ole trick of using the colonialist stereotype of Africa)...like they never witnessed what was the Rumble in the Jungle. BITCHES

Didn't the Congolese crowd despise George Foreman, who was a black American boxer?

African is not a race. :twisted:

[K2ray]

Of course she does. I know far more festival people who like Minogue than festival people who like Jay Z. In fact, all of the people I know who turn up to these things actively hate hip-hop.

As for the article, I wouldn't believe anything I read in the Gaurdian (or bother to read it if avoidable, given the quality of the prose) but if you look at the article the writer gives his own suggestion of the causes-



- based on that, I would assume that the writer is saying that Gallagher is making a facile point by blaming the festival ticket shortfall on Jay Z. I honestly haven't followed the story as its unfolded, but aside from a rather lame use of the BNP to tarnish Gallagher (I didn't know that Gaurdian writers browsed far-right message boards) there seemed to be nothing race related in the entire thing.

I'm not convinced that Gallagher was taking a racist attitude, although admittedly I haven't read what the tit said. The Oasis members are well know for being dismissive of all other genres; no-one would suggest that they are anti-alien for calling Manowar a crappy metal band, would they?

K2ray, you are one of the most racially-obsessed people I have ever met in Europe.

How the fuck do you know what's on my mind 24/7..I'm doing fine, how are you?

BTW, by dissing the guardian I can only assume you read the Sun:lol:

[K2ray]

Didn't the Congolese crowd despise George Foreman, who was a black American boxer?

African is not a race. :twisted:

Where did I say Africa is a race. Get your facts right:nut

[K2ray]

Of course she does. I know far more festival people who like Minogue than festival people who like Jay Z. In fact, all of the people I know who turn up to these things actively hate hip-hop.

Can you give your reasons why do would like a lipsyncher over a rapper talented enough not to have to write his lyrics on paper....or are your mates so narrow minded and full of stereotypes about black rappers:deal

[Rumsfeld]

A lot of racists in this thread.

:smoke

[The Clan]

If Joe had repeatedly shouted

"I'll never lose my titles to a black boy"

"I'll never lose my titles to a black boy"

"I'll never lose my titles to a black boy"

Would he have been called a racist?

The answer is YES ! !

So why should Hopkins get away with the same thing?

[Rumsfeld]

If Joe had repeatedly shouted

"I'll never lose my titles to a black boy"

"I'll never lose my titles to a black boy"

"I'll never lose my titles to a black boy"

Would he have been called a racist?

The answer is YES ! !

So why should Hopkins get away with the same thing?

You're kind of proving my point from the initial post in this thread.

:smoke

[The Clan]

You're kind of proving my point from the initial post in this thread.

:smoke

Not really!
I don't think either should make statements based on skin colour, it has no relevance to the fight and is purely designed to be incendury.

Worse than that, Hopkins made the statement knowing that Calzaghi could'nt go there with him! He then seemed to revel in some warped sense of victory from the exchange.

Its not PC overkill, its just one of those subjects that we ought to have left behind years ago.

FWIW I agree with much of whats been said regarding the over use of political correctness but there are some areas where its done good, racism is one of them.

[Tencount85]

I'm just riding this wave and looking forward to the fight saturday.

[Beebs]

He is implying the white race is inferior, that is racist.

And to answer the response, "no hes not, its just that his culture would make fun of him if he lost to a white" well his culture is implying the white race is inferior, that makes his culture racist, and he is supporting that racisim with his statement.

[Rumsfeld]

Its not PC overkill, its just one of those subjects that we ought to have left behind years ago.

Says you.

FWIW I agree with much of whats been said regarding the over use of political correctness but there are some areas where its done good, racism is one of them.

I reject the notion that encouraging censorship and discouraging honest discourse is ever a good thing.

:smoke

[Rumsfeld]

He is implying the white race is inferior, that is racist.

And to answer the response, "no hes not, its just that his culture would make fun of him if he lost to a white" well his culture is implying the white race is inferior, that makes his culture racist, and he is supporting that racisim with his statement.

Are you fucking serious?!?!?!?

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Beebs]

Why would it be worse to lose to one race if that race was not viewed as inferior?

Implying that one race is embarassing to lose to is racist. It is a minor issue, but its obviously rooted in a belief of supremecy

[Boxfan1]

Okay, this thread is starting to go nowhere. Let's just sum this up with the immortal words of R. Lee Ermey in full metal jacket, "I don't care if you are a hick, ****, ****** or *****, your are all equally worthless in my eyes". There you go, I've officially offended everyone (except the Native Americans, I think).

[Boxfan1]

Notice how only "hick" gets past the pc filter. That's racism right there my friends. What ever happened to freedom of speech.

[thanosone]

Serious question here.

For I am extremely hard-pressed to see how any grown man could be upset over the allegedly racist remarks of Bernard Hopkins ("ain't gonna lose to no white boy").

That was hardly racist!

In fact, it's such a non-issue than I'm baffled people are even bringing it up still.

I mean, sure, it is true that had the roles been reversed, it would have been considered racist but that doesn't make it right! People are way too fucking sensitive these days. MERE WORDS, nothing more.

I wonder if those who are throwing a hissy fit over Bernard's comments are overcompensating. Meaning, are they really that upset over what Hopkins said? Because I know some people suffer from major sensitivity issues, but by and large, those are WOMEN!

That so many men are crying over some stupid comment is laughable.

Perhaps, deep down, these people are actually racist themselves, and exhibiting anger over what the perceive as an unjust double standard?

Thoughts?

:smoke
Oh shut the fuck up.

[Rumsfeld]

Oh shut the fuck up.
Go fuck yourself.

:smoke

[Relentless]

Actually, I am rooting against Hopkins because he is too ugly to be an American, and too ignorant as well, and I hate ugly, ignorant people. Does that make me a racist? Hopkins is so ugly, he could turn Medusa to stone,

aren't all americans stupid?

[Scar]

It was a racist comment, maybe Hopkins didn't mean it in that way and just said it to promote the fight(remember what happened with Trinidad?, it's far worse and we all remember it because that's what Hopkins aims for). It might be too much but it's still trying to promote even in a sick way and if it was a bad move then you wouldn't be discussing it right now with everyone else posting in this thread.

[The Kurgan]

How the fuck do you know what's on my mind 24/7..I'm doing fine, how are you?

I don't, but I have seen a lot of your posts on ESB. The thing is, you actually come across as a perfectly decent person otherwise.

BTW, by dissing the guardian I can only assume you read the Sun:lol:

Hell no! The Gaurdian may be left-wing semi-moronic trash, but the Sun is right-wing fully-moronic trash. I'd take the former over the latter any day.

[The Kurgan]

Where did I say Africa is a race. Get your facts right:nut

I can hardly see how one can racially stereotype a group with a colonialist stereotype unless that group is seen to be a racial group. If that's not what you meant, then fine.

[K2ray]

I can hardly see how one can racially stereotype a group with a colonialist stereotype unless that group is seen to be a racial group. If that's not what you meant, then fine.

No worries:good

[The Kurgan]

Can you give your reasons why do would like a lipsyncher over a rapper talented enough not to have to write his lyrics on paper....or are your mates so narrow minded and full of stereotypes about black rappers:deal

I personally wouldn't listen to either, but then again I'm hardly representative of festival-types. I'd much rather listen to a night of live Mussorgsky pieces.

If it were Eminem or Captain Sensible they would take the same attitude. It's the genre, not the race. Although, if Captain Sensible really DID headline a festival, I suspect they would go for the hell of it.

[marauder1999]

Actually, I am rooting against Hopkins because he is too ugly to be an American, and too ignorant as well, and I hate ugly, ignorant people. Does that make me a racist? Hopkins is so ugly, he could turn Medusa to stone,

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

[D-FENS]

Dear Rumsfeld
kind regards
I agree with your post.
Too many people are hypersensitive sissies these days.
However, I believe that Calazaghe should've retaliated and should've said that he would not lose to a black boy.
It would've made this fight much more interesting.
yours thankfully
D-FENS

[The Kurgan]

No worries:good

:good

[Rumsfeld]

However, I believe that Calazaghe should've retaliated and should've said that he would not lose to a black boy.
It would've made this fight much more interesting.


:lol:

That actually would have been great if Calzaghe did that!

They could have gotten into an old fashioned Buggs Bunny exchange for the ages!

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

[Imperial1]

:lol:

That actually would have been great if Calzaghe did that!

They could have gotten into an old fashioned Buggs Bunny exchange for the ages!

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Bugs Bunny exchange !!:lol: :lol: