Not trying to overate him but...

[kirk]

williams... honestly, looked hard to beat tonight, and im saying that as far as ANYONE goes...

mayweather... how is he going to deal with williams? he has NEVER fought someone like him EVER. corrales made him look small, and williams would DWARF corrales, hell, margarito would make corrales look small, and williams made HIM look small. so you have this monster, who you AINT gonna hurt, you AINT gonna outwork, you AINT gonna outbox cuz hes not going to let you do it, williams... he is a BORN FIGHTER. hes the first to land and the last to land, he punches in close or from a distance, he throws all sorts, and you seen against sharmba that he can land on muich smaller fighters with those weird winging shots.

the only person i think has a REAL shot against him is cotto... and that is he has hopes of breaking him down, and doing what margarito couldnt in the 9th, 10th, 11th rounds... but also... i dont think he could take what margarito did to get there maybe?

mosley, as great as he is, gets fustrated EASILY, and gets put on the back foot pretty easy too... and i think williams does both of this with ease.

so i dont know, im not trying to overate him or anything... but i just see him being the ruler of this division, and a future great if he gets the right fights.

[HandsOfGold]

He has something you can't teach. Height.

If he was 5'11 Margarito would have TKO'ed him.

[Amsterdam]

Cotto, Mosely and what I saw as improvements in Cintron, all destroy this guys. Margarito is easy to look good against.

[brooklyn1550]

I would give Williams a chance to beat anybody. He can take a punch and his workrate is phenominal. Cotto could beat him though.

[Beebs]

You guys act like it would be the first time a far superier short guy beat a tall guy.

[kirk]

Cotto, Mosely and what I saw as improvements in Cintron, all destroy this guys. Margarito is easy to look good against.

what did cintron improve on? you realise he just had a war with estrada... which i know estrada is good.... but, all this talk about him having improved so much, i guess i dont see it, imo, hes the same fighter hes always been, maybe a lil more boxing thrown in there, but the core is the same.

williams would so smother the crap out of him, outwork him, and probably stop him late..... and id pick margarito to beat him... yet again.

[kirk]

You guys act like it would be the first time a far superier short guy beat a tall guy. nobody said anything about JUST height. its not just his height, its his FIGHTING ABILITY, STAMINA, WORKRATE, CHIN, ECT.

[kirk]

Perhaps Cotto, PBF, and or Shane would be more ACCURATE PUNCHERS than Margo was.

22% isn't a good percentage.

And for that matter, neither is PW's 26%.

Maybe someone with accuarcy can cause PW to hesitate in throwing so many punches because he is getting countered to cleanly. you may be right.... and not just accuracy, but speed. Usually fighters that unleash like that, when posed with FAST, ACCURATE shots, tend to tighten up a bit more... thing is, most guys who would be throwing those shots are so small to him, and imo might just get smothered. who knows though... i hope these matchups get made. i would like to see how cottos breakdown method, which imo are much better then margs, and is on another level, would do.

[sues2nd]

Cotto, Mosely and what I saw as improvements in Cintron, all destroy this guys. Margarito is easy to look good against.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoo. Cotto is too stationary and gets hit too easily to fight a guy like Williams. Plus, as much as I love Cotto, he hasnt shown the most resiliant chin....how many of those shots that he landed on Margarito (who has an amazing chin) could Cotto withstand?

As for Mosely. I think he may have a shot, just for the sheer fact of his handspeed. He may be able to beat Williams to the punch, taking away his best asset. Plus, Mosely CAN put out a high workrate to go with that speed.

Cintron, I dont know yet. I mean, he looked PHENOMINAL tonight. But he also looked awful vs Margo....Im not saying that because Williams beat Margo that he now can beat Cintron...Im just saying, lets see more of Kermit before we jump to conclusions. He did look pretty spectacular tonight tho!!!

Mayweather wont take this fight tho....I GUARRENTEE IT! Its way too much of a risk. He will still have a speed advantage, but not the glaring one he is used to. He wont be able to move away and counter, just on the sheer size and length of Williams. Its just a bad matchup for him in every regard.

Regardless, I think Williams looked great tonight. He obviously aint a flash in the pants and will be around now for a while.

OH AND IT WAS A GREAT FUCKIN FIGHT!!!!

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

[Beebs]

nobody said anything about JUST height. its not just his height, its his FIGHTING ABILITY, STAMINA, WORKRATE, CHIN, ECT.

His fighting ability is clearly less than that of Floyd, the guy has had 1 truely meaningful fight in his whole career, and now he's the pfp best boxer in the worlds worst nightmare, its absurdity.

[YOUNG*LORD]

Williams looked great but I always thought Margo was a bit overrated...he looked like an amatuer, throwing wide and super slow punches. Cotto would've slowed Williams down with his constant body attack also Cotto is too hard to smother and very accurate with his punches. I can see Cotto beat both Williams by UD and Margo by tko.

[errsta]

I think Cintron has the best shot....also pretty tall and he has the pop to make williams respect him.

[maracho]

Perhaps Cotto, PBF, and or Shane would be more ACCURATE PUNCHERS than Margo was.

22% isn't a good percentage.

And for that matter, neither is PW's 26%.

Maybe someone with accuarcy can cause PW to hesitate in throwing so many punches because he is getting countered to cleanly.

Your %'s are backwards but then Lampley did say the stats we saw were an underestimate compared to the computer in front of him.
Margarito 27 %
Williams 22%

[Ring Master]

williams... honestly, looked hard to beat tonight, and im saying that as far as ANYONE goes...

mayweather... how is he going to deal with williams? he has NEVER fought someone like him EVER. corrales made him look small, and williams would DWARF corrales, hell, margarito would make corrales look small, and williams made HIM look small. so you have this monster, who you AINT gonna hurt, you AINT gonna outwork, you AINT gonna outbox cuz hes not going to let you do it, williams... he is a BORN FIGHTER. hes the first to land and the last to land, he punches in close or from a distance, he throws all sorts, and you seen against sharmba that he can land on muich smaller fighters with those weird winging shots.

the only person i think has a REAL shot against him is cotto... and that is he has hopes of breaking him down, and doing what margarito couldnt in the 9th, 10th, 11th rounds... but also... i dont think he could take what margarito did to get there maybe?

mosley, as great as he is, gets fustrated EASILY, and gets put on the back foot pretty easy too... and i think williams does both of this with ease.

so i dont know, im not trying to overate him or anything... but i just see him being the ruler of this division, and a future great if he gets the right fights.

I don't mean this as an insult but i believe you are overating him as you do/did other fighters such as Miranda, Vargas and Mayorga.

[boxbox]

a 10 inch reach advantage says a lot

[Pimp C]

a 10 inch reach advantage says a lot
Not really Williams really doesn't use it. If he did he would have beaten Margo far worse.

[kirk]

I don't mean this as an insult but i believe you are overating him as you do/did other fighters such as Miranda, Vargas and Mayorga. no insult there m'man.... just your opinion.

the other fighters i never really overated though.... miranda i thought was good, he is good. i only seen clips of pavlik so i couldnt judge him there, and thought, and still think hes top 5 in the world at 160.

mayorga... i dont think it was as much me overating him as he just fell off, i knew oscar would beat him, i thought he would do a lot better with tito, and would have if he would have come in any form of shape... an in shape mayorga is hardly out of breath in the 8th round, let alone 3rd like he was in the trinidad one. regardless.... i thought he stood a chance, i guess thats overating him.... but none of them like this.

vargas.... shit i never have overated him.




imo, the only fighters i really ever OVERrated in the true sense of the word is judah, and he would actually be as good as i thought he was, if he had the guts to fight back heavily under pressure. maybe jeff lacy.... though i still think hes really really good.


but i dont think i ever remember thinking of a fighter like this... who i rate way way better then he is. only picking/(most case hoping) a fighter to win in a particular matchup where hes the underdog (mayorga vs tito/hoya) ect,


but you could be right.... only time will tell.

[lefthook31]

I think Williams will have a short reign fighting at that pace, you simply cant keep that up as you get older. He did show the championship heart, something I doubted before this fight.

[Club Fighter]

Oh, boy do I wish we still had the old threads about welterweights where I had Williams ranked very high (I believe at #2) and everybody was :rofl :rofl :rofl and then naming the list of people that would whoop his ass. All I could say was "you'll see." And when people asked, "Who could possibly beat Mayweather?" I responded with, "At welterweight, only Williams." And that still stands. And by the way, Williams is still #2 and he can still kick Cotto's ass!

[Danny Ocean]

mayweather would beat williams

williams doesnt assert his authority on the outside like he doe
lets be honest about last night he missed a lot of jabs and straight punches and because margarito is so ordinary as not punished in the first 7rounds, only when p-wol started losing imo concentration by fighting on the inside did margarito look like winning rounds

against mayweather williams wouldnt box on the outside because with the amount of jabs hed miss he would be punished with overhand rights, mayweather couldnt hurt p-wol but he could frustrate and make williams look for a knockout with 1 punch which wouldnt happen

he doesnt hit hard but his size is defo intimadating, when he fights big

[China_hand_Joe]

Williams would actually land about 10% of his shots on Mayweather

[princedigital]

williams... honestly, looked hard to beat tonight, and im saying that as far as ANYONE goes...

mayweather... how is he going to deal with williams? he has NEVER fought someone like him EVER. corrales made him look small, and williams would DWARF corrales, hell, margarito would make corrales look small, and williams made HIM look small. so you have this monster, who you AINT gonna hurt, you AINT gonna outwork, you AINT gonna outbox cuz hes not going to let you do it, williams... he is a BORN FIGHTER. hes the first to land and the last to land, he punches in close or from a distance, he throws all sorts, and you seen against sharmba that he can land on muich smaller fighters with those weird winging shots.

the only person i think has a REAL shot against him is cotto... and that is he has hopes of breaking him down, and doing what margarito couldnt in the 9th, 10th, 11th rounds... but also... i dont think he could take what margarito did to get there maybe?

mosley, as great as he is, gets fustrated EASILY, and gets put on the back foot pretty easy too... and i think williams does both of this with ease.

so i dont know, im not trying to overate him or anything... but i just see him being the ruler of this division, and a future great if he gets the right fights.

I'm with you 100% no one is going to be able to deal with him. I was shocked by the way he moved in the ring and his volume of punches, height, speed and how he was relaxed in the ring.

[Marnoff]

corrales made him look small, and williams would DWARF corrales

Did you see the Mayweather - Corrales fight? The size didn't seem to help Corrales... if you know what I mean.

[Danny Ocean]

dont forget margarito couldnt adjust that was his problem

mayweather has proved he can he gambled on de la hoya tirig late and he was proved right he knew what he was doing

williams needs some more experience imo before throwing him in with cotto

[CASH_718]

He has something you can't teach. Height.

If he was 5'11 Margarito would have TKO'ed him.:patsch

[dwilson]

Punisher looked ok when not near Margarito who was very slow and did not know what to do or have the nessrccery skills to beat a man who was taking soft potshots at him.

Put the Punisher in with a top class opponent who has skill and poweran he would get owned.

Paul Williams is probarly the top of the second level guys but would not cause Cotto et al any promlems.

He only won by two rounds which meant his flashy non hurtful stuff won him the fight and he lost most of the inside work that went off.

[Club Fighter]

Punisher looked ok when not near Margarito who was very slow and did not know what to do or have the nessrccery skills to beat a man who was taking soft potshots at him.

Put the Punisher in with a top class opponent who has skill and poweran he would get owned.

Paul Williams is probarly the top of the second level guys but would not cause Cotto et al any promlems.

He only won by two rounds which meant his flashy non hurtful stuff won him the fight and he lost most of the inside work that went off.

You'll be the first person I make an avatar bet with if Cotto-Williams ever comes off.

[CASH_718]

HOW can Mayweather beat Williams??? I think it's almost impossible esp if Williams fights the way he did last night. Mayweather can't pop shot and move like he's been doing because Williams wont let him. What is he going to do??? Get inside and brawl with him???

[codeman99998]

Oh, boy do I wish we still had the old threads about welterweights where I had Williams ranked very high (I believe at #2) and everybody was :rofl :rofl :rofl and then naming the list of people that would whoop his ass. All I could say was "you'll see." And when people asked, "Who could possibly beat Mayweather?" I responded with, "At welterweight, only Williams." And that still stands. And by the way, Williams is still #2 and he can still kick Cotto's ass!

Just because someone is going to be the best, does not mean they deserve a high ranking.

Theoretically, Berto may become the best WW in the world one day, but if he is ranked high it's a mistake.

JCC Jr may be a champion one day, but to rank him super high is a mistake now.

[dwilson]

You'll be the first person I make an avatar bet with if Cotto-Williams ever comes off.

I would gladly accept that bet. Punisher is good but i saw nothing to say he could beat an actual top level guy. He only just won against an opponant who was shocking last night.

I wish him all the best but Paul Williams needs to badly improve if put in with Cotto.

Dont overate a fighter before he has shown anything.

[Cruiser1]

I was impressed with the resolve Williams showed in there. Alot of fighters would have gone on their bicycle after the 11th round but he came out and sealed the deal winning the 12th big. He never looked uncomfortable in there despite Margarito landing some big shots. With his height, workrate, and now we can add guile, he's gonna be a handful for anyone at 147.

[CASH_718]

I would gladly accept that bet. Punisher is good but i saw nothing to say he could beat an actual top level guy. He only just won against an opponant who was shocking last night.

I wish him all the best but Paul Williams needs to badly improve if put in with Cotto.

Dont overate a fighter before he has shown anything.

Yeah you only saw him beat a top level opponent.

[Club Fighter]

Just because someone is going to be the best, does not mean they deserve a high ranking.

Theoretically, Berto may become the best WW in the world one day, but if he is ranked high it's a mistake.

JCC Jr may be a champion one day, but to rank him super high is a mistake now.

My point is, when I made that comment I was sure he could beat every WW in the world except PBF (at that particular time). I wasn't overrating him, it's just that you guys were non-believers so it took something like this for you to even consider what was already true.

So in essence, he already was the best. You guys just didn't wanna concede to the fact. I've been telling you guys that fire is hot for a long time and you just didn't wanna believe it until you got burned.

[Club Fighter]

I would gladly accept that bet. Punisher is good but i saw nothing to say he could beat an actual top level guy. He only just won against an opponant who was shocking last night.

I wish him all the best but Paul Williams needs to badly improve if put in with Cotto.

Dont overate a fighter before he has shown anything.

All I have to say about this is . . .

"You'll be the first person I make an avatar bet with if Cotto-Williams ever comes off."

I tell you, some people never believe that fire is hot until they get burned. :patsch

[Mrboogie23]

My point is, when I made that comment I was sure he could beat every WW in the world except PBF (at that particular time). I wasn't overrating him, it's just that you guys were non-believers so it took something like this for you to even consider what was already true.

So in essence, he already was the best. You guys just didn't wanna concede to the fact. I've been telling you guys that fire is hot for a long time and you just didn't wanna believe it until you got burned.


I agreed with you and I've been saying it all along myself. I've been watching Paul for a long time and I knew the kid had it. I started watching him right away because he's got the same name as my father in law.

:lol:

Anyway, I've been saying all along that I think Williams will be the guy to put a whooping on Mayweather. He's a good fighter with skills. I'm not in anyway attempting to overrate the kid. I hope people dont see it that way, I just think his style combined with his size will give Mayweather fits.

I dont see Paul as being an easy fight for anyone in the welterweight division.

[thewoo]

I really don't think that Williams would be able to withstand Cotto's attack. He would make Cotto look bad early but Cotto would connect and do so very hard. Williams would be gasping for air in the second half of the fight and get stopped late IMO

[Orishaman]

It is time to look pass the flash of PW and look at the essence, I am not easily impressed, but initially PW look accurate and fast, yet his punches had no real zipped, Margo was able to figure him out after the 5th catching his punches with his gloves and was able to go to the body which by the looks of his face he didnpt like, PW hold to much and that cost his the middle rounds....if he does this against Cotto he will get KO brutally by body punches...

[dwilson]

All I have to say about this is . . .

"You'll be the first person I make an avatar bet with if Cotto-Williams ever comes off."

I tell you, some people never believe that fire is hot until they get burned. :patsch

Im not too bothered if i win or lose it, im not a cotto fan, just think that cott would deal with Williams without too much pressure. Cotto knows how to cut the ring off and has the skill to deal with the punisher as well as power. Williams punches looked soft, he lost rounds on the inside and did not hit margarito with anything hurtful when on the outside.

Margarito was a decent champ but not special, all wind and piss really. He had no idea how to deal with Williams which unfortunetly was not because of williams but because marg did not have the skill to get an elusive guy, marg is slow and cumbersome but decent in the grapple.

How much did you have pw winning by? I had it by only two rounds, it was a decent bout but dissapointing, i had hoped that one would come out looking like a decent threat to the top level guys instead of just being another run of the mill champ.

[dwilson]

It is time to look pass the flash of PW and look at the essence, I am not easily impressed, but initially PW look accurate and fast, yet his punches had no real zipped, Margo was able to figure him out after the 5th catching his punches with his gloves and was able to go to the body which by the looks of his face he didnpt like, PW hold to much and that cost his the middle rounds....if he does this against Cotto he will get KO brutally by body punches...

For anyone wanting to quote me read this and you get my point.

Cotto would beat paul williams and margarita

[BigReg]

Williams employed a great strategy vs. Margartio and showed me some skills I didn't think he had. Williams will obviously give to trouble to any WW out there. This doesn't mean he's unbeatable though. As far as Cotto goes, I'm about 95% sure Arum will not put Cotto in their with Williams this fall. He'll come up with some excuse about how the fight wasn't exciting enough. I don't give Cotto much of a chance against Williams. Style wise, it's a terrible match up for Cotto. Arum knows this, and that's why he was non committal about the two fighting if Williams beat Margarito

[thewoo]

HOW can Mayweather beat Williams??? I think it's almost impossible esp if Williams fights the way he did last night. Mayweather can't pop shot and move like he's been doing because Williams wont let him. What is he going to do??? Get inside and brawl with him???

Actually I think that if Floyd had to get in and brawl with him he could. Floyd takes he easiest possible road to victory which is why he always does the pop shot and move thing. If he eve had sit and brawl, he would surprise a lot of people. Against Williams, I'd expect Floyd to stay on the inside and use a lot of waist movment instead of using his feet to avoid shots and out land the busier williams

[Orishaman]

Cotto will get inside and hurt PW, the minute that Cotto get inside and PW fill the power of Cotto is all over....PW, essence was shown after the 5th round when Margo figure him out, again Cotto like to get low real low, forcing PW to fight small, or having the chanve to be call for llegal blow since Cotto be so low he be hitting Cotto behind the head...if you think that a guy that had all the trouble with the shorter Mathysse, who does not hit or dedicate to the body like Cotto, you are nuts....PW has trouble against bulky strong boxers like Cotto....

[goldnarms]

Cotto will get inside and hurt PW, the minute that Cotto get inside and PW fill the power of Cotto is all over....PW, essence was shown after the 5th round when Margo figure him out, again Cotto like to get low real low, forcing PW to fight small, or having the chanve to be call for llegal blow since Cotto be so low he be hitting Cotto behind the head...if you think that a guy that had all the trouble with the shorter Mathysse, who does not hit or dedicate to the body like Cotto, you are nuts....PW has trouble against bulky strong boxers like Cotto....

You and DL seem to make a lot of assumptions.

Is PW totaly proven yet? NO
Are there any 147lb humans on earth without potentially fatal flaws? NO
Are there things about PW we KNOW will give any 147lb human on earth problems? YES

Your reasoning just assume all of PWs flaws plays into his opponents strengths. You are not looking at the flip side of that coin.

PW is not an easy night for anyone period. Sure he can lose and there is no doubt he will not retire undefeated. But instead of just looking at what you "assume" he isn't realize what he has proven he is.

You think Coto and PBF are having wet dreams thinking of fighing a 6'1, busy, fast, strong-willed fighter with whiskers? Think again.

[Orishaman]

You and DL seem to make a lot of assumptions.

Is PW totaly proven yet? NO
Are there any 147lb humans on earth without potentially fatal flaws? NO
Are there things about PW we KNOW will give any 147lb human on earth problems? YES

Your reasoning just assume all of PWs flaws plays into his opponents strengths. You are not looking at the flip side of that coin.

PW is not an easy night for anyone period. Sure he can lose and there is no doubt he will not retire undefeated. But instead of just looking at what you "assume" he isn't realize what he has proven he is.

You think Coto and PBF are having wet dreams thinking of fighing a 6'1, busy, fast, strong-willed fighter with whiskers? Think again.


I got osme preatty good evidence for my conclussions:

Paul Williams vs. Matthysse, and Cotto v. Pauli Magniggni....please fool!!

[goldnarms]

I got osme preatty good evidence for my conclussions:

Paul Williams vs. Matthysse, and Cotto v. Pauli Magniggni....please fool!!

You call me a fool but you are using an analogy that compares Magniggni to Williams? :patsch

[Goose]

Actually I think that if Floyd had to get in and brawl with him he could. Floyd takes he easiest possible road to victory which is why he always does the pop shot and move thing. If he eve had sit and brawl, he would surprise a lot of people. Against Williams, I'd expect Floyd to stay on the inside and use a lot of waist movment instead of using his feet to avoid shots and out land the busier williams

I can see Mayweather using his upper body movements to avoid William's punches up close and then land big right hands down the middle that would have crowd going "whoa" and the judges will be impressed., so this way he would be able to win in Las Vegas