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IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 01:22 AM
I don't know, that was a pretty spectacular finish. As explosive and bizarre as it was, Nwodo's last stand was a little anti-climactic as he was basically out on his feet the whole round. And I missed the Nonito fight, but I've seen the part where Vic got starched, and it was pretty sweet.

But this was damn near perfect. A pinball KO, if you will...bounced him off one glove, onto the other, and through the canvas. Truly brutal stuff.

In what order would you rate the three?

brooklyn1550
07-15-2007, 01:23 AM
A worthy candidate

Rock0052
07-15-2007, 01:28 AM
In my book, I've got 4 finalists narrowed down thus far:

Ding-Nwodo
Cintron-Matthyse
Donaire-Vic
Andy Lee- Carl Daniels

I agree with you about Ding-Nwodo being a little anticlimactic because EN was out for basically the entire round- spectacular KO nonetheless though. Check out Lee-Daniels if you can. Lee jabs, then shows another jab- but turns it over into a fucking devastating hook which Daniels didn't see coming. That was a scary one with how Carl's head bounced off the mat- he was out before he could even fall properly.

1lehudson
07-15-2007, 01:30 AM
I picked Ding-Donaire-Cintron for simple reasons.

Ding was losing in that last rounds and he pulled it out with one of the wickedest left hooks I have ever seen.

Donaire because he was suppose to be a walk in the park. he was suppose to lose, and BOOM one shot its over.

Cintron was the house guy, he was put in with this guy too look good, but it was suppose to be abit tougher fight.

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 01:42 AM
I picked Ding-Donaire-Cintron for simple reasons.

Ding was losing in that last rounds and he pulled it out with one of the wickedest left hooks I have ever seen.

Donaire because he was suppose to be a walk in the park. he was suppose to lose, and BOOM one shot its over.

Cintron was the house guy, he was put in with this guy too look good, but it was suppose to be abit tougher fight.
Going purely on the punches though, I think each was better than the one before it. The first of Cintron's punches had Matthyse out, the second just expedited his gravity ride. That was a scary combo that dented both sides of Walter's skull.

Nonito's punch may have had a little less spank on it, but was still perfectly crisp and sublimely timed. He had Vic's number and he knew what to do with it.

Ding deserves all the credit in the world for pulling out an amazing win, and at the time I was sure nothing could surpass it as KOOTY. But stacked against the other two, the punch itself was just a textbook hook from a big, powerful guy landed on an opponent that at that point was no longer intelligently defending himself.

All three knockouts were brilliant and featured devastating punches. But in terms of p4p speed, power, and brutality of the finishing shots themselves, I stand behind my voting of Cintron, Donaire, and Wilson.

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 01:50 AM
I see that Darnell is online with us at the moment...care to give your appraisal on this sensational trio of vaporizations?

1lehudson
07-15-2007, 01:53 AM
Going purely on the punches though, I think each was better than the one before it. The first of Cintron's punches had Matthyse out, the second just expedited his gravity ride. That was a scary combo that dented both sides of Walter's skull.

Nonito's punch may have had a little less spank on it, but was still perfectly crisp and sublimely timed. He had Vic's number and he knew what to do with it.

Ding deserves all the credit in the world for pulling out an amazing win, and at the time I was sure nothing could surpass it as KOOTY. But stacked against the other two, the punch itself was just a textbook hook from a big, powerful guy landed on an opponent that at that point was no longer intelligently defending himself.

All three knockouts were brilliant and featured devastating punches. But in terms of p4p speed, power, and brutality of the finishing shots themselves, I stand behind my voting of Cintron, Donaire, and Wilson.Problem is you cant really take one away from the other. The situation adds excitement to the knockout. Not much excitement in Cintrons. When a fighter is losing a then gets a knockout its more exciting. Plus Ding and Donaire was one shot, BOOM lights out. Cintrons was really about a round beatting.

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 01:59 AM
Problem is you cant really take one away from the other. The situation adds excitement to the knockout. Not much excitement in Cintrons. When a fighter is losing a then gets a knockout its more exciting. Plus Ding and Donaire was one shot, BOOM lights out. Cintrons was really about a round beatting.

I gotta agree to disagree here, I think all three were exciting. And (can't speak on Darchinyan-Donaire until I see the whole thing) the Wilson and Cintron fights were exciting on the whole, in very different ways. For the whole fight Cintron was in control and it was like a tense hunt where you knew something incredible was on the precipice but didn't know it would arrive so suddenly or with such ferocity (starting with the first of the 2nd round KDs). Ding-Nwodo was just sustained back and forth action with both guys thinking well on their feet and making adjustments and showing incredible chin and heart.

My vote stays even if you don't extract the punches from the contexts, my point was moreso to show that even if you do narrow it down to the pinpoint moments themselves, under close examination each knockout-of-07 candidate featured more brutal punches than the previous.

Rock0052
07-15-2007, 02:09 AM
I ranked 'em the same way you did Intentional. Here's the Lee KO since it was probably lost the last time ESB crashed:

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IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 02:13 AM
I ranked 'em the same way you did Intentional. Here's the Lee KO since it was probably lost the last time ESB crashed:

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Hm, that's just showing up as a white box :huh

Ok, looking at it now with the code on it I think maybe if you just narrow the it down to the string of letters at the end and get rid of the url it should work.

Yep that does it! :p

digiram
07-15-2007, 02:17 AM
I think the best KO was the Donaire one. He had vic doing the "Raging Bull" lol. It was as sharp a left hook as ever, and he caught Vic leaping in.

The Ding left hook was just powerfull and deadly, but Nwodo was laying there ready to take it.

Cintron one was nice as well, but it was a combo and not a one punch KO. I mean, the guy was out after the left hook pretty much, but he needed that straight right to put him down and out.

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 02:20 AM
I think the best KO was the Donaire one. He had vic doing the "Raging Bull" lol. It was as sharp a left hook as ever, and he caught Vic leaping in.

The Ding left hook was just powerfull and deadly, but Nwodo was laying there ready to take it.

Cintron one was nice as well, but it was a combo and not a one punch KO. I mean, the guy was out after the left hook pretty much, but he needed that straight right to put him down and out.

Needed the straight right? It followed the hook in the blink of an eye, Matthyse simply hadn't had a chance to begin to fall yet. His eyes were already closed!

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 03:09 AM
interesting, pretty varied results. the leading option is the exact opposite of mine, but that's ok. :yep as i've said every one of these was very easy to appreciate, and very hard to compare definitively with the others.

sues2nd
07-15-2007, 03:14 AM
Ding's was the best if ya ask me. Not just because of how devastating it was, but also how it came about.

He had just tied it up (on my scorecard at least...and pretty much every other one I had seen) the round before that by dropping Nwodo for the second time. Its not like it came out of nowhere (he had hurt him hurt on a few occasions), but lets just say, he needed it more....he dug down and he got it.

Plus, Ding is a great guy, a forum regular and OUR CHAMP!!!! And I mean, he did knock him the fuck out!!!

All three were amazing tho!

JETSKI
07-15-2007, 03:19 AM
Shoulda been 1 more option..."too confusing".:nut

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 03:28 AM
Shoulda been 1 more option..."too confusing".:nut

not really. 3 KO's, 6 possible ranking combinations. the hard part is picking your number one, and then you've got it narrowed down to two. eat your wheaties and take a ginseng pill. you can do it!!

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 03:33 AM
Ding's was the best if ya ask me. Not just because of how devastating it was, but also how it came about.

He had just tied it up (on my scorecard at least...and pretty much every other one I had seen) the round before that by dropping Nwodo for the second time. Its not like it came out of nowhere (he had hurt him hurt on a few occasions), but lets just say, he needed it more....he dug down and he got it.

Plus, Ding is a great guy, a forum regular and OUR CHAMP!!!! And I mean, he did knock him the fuck out!!!

All three were amazing tho!

Believe me, I was as pumped as any of us after the Nwodo fight (after the initial concern for the fighter's health was allayed, of course), and thrilled for Ding having the honor of the clear (at that point only) candidate for KOOTY. But even though he's our boy, I can't objectively find it in me to rate that hook above the combo Kermit unleashed. If anything, I would flip my #2 and #3 and put Ding ahead of Nonito...I may have erred on the side of not giving our boy preferential status. Like I've said, I still gotta see the whole Donaire fight. The one punch by itself out of context though makes for one hell of a gif. As do they all. :thumbsup

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 03:49 AM
ok so for those who think this poll was too confusing (:nut), here's the simplified results for actual #1 KO of the year so far, after two hours and 29 votes:

55% say Ding
24% say Kermit
21% say Nonito

sues2nd
07-15-2007, 03:55 AM
Believe me, I was as pumped as any of us after the Nwodo fight (after the initial concern for the fighter's health was allayed, of course), and thrilled for Ding having the honor of the clear (at that point only) candidate for KOOTY. But even though he's our boy, I can't objectively find it in me to rate that hook above the combo Kermit unleashed. If anything, I would flip my #2 and #3 and put Ding ahead of Nonito...I may have erred on the side of not giving our boy preferential status. Like I've said, I still gotta see the whole Donaire fight. The one punch by itself out of context though makes for one hell of a gif. As do they all. :thumbsup

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YES IT DOES!!!!

doknochrisan
07-15-2007, 04:01 AM
I picked Ding-Donaire-Cintron for simple reasons.

Ding was losing in that last rounds and he pulled it out with one of the wickedest left hooks I have ever seen.

Donaire because he was suppose to be a walk in the park. he was suppose to lose, and BOOM one shot its over.

Cintron was the house guy, he was put in with this guy too look good, but it was suppose to be abit tougher fight.

Donaire was suppose to lose? Maybe before the fight thats what most of us thought, but he landed more power shots than vic, aside from having it 2-2 before the perfect left hook on the fifth. But I agree with your ranking, Ding-Donaire-Cintron.

Circa
07-15-2007, 08:30 AM
still ding for me.. second is donaire then cintron.

thewoo
07-15-2007, 10:18 AM
Cintron for me. It was so brutal because it was 2 monsrous shots. The first one had him KO'd on his feet and then another one just for shits and giggles.

I also think that Gomez KO of Gatti was pretty impressive too

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 12:56 PM
Cintron for me. It was so brutal because it was 2 monsrous shots. The first one had him KO'd on his feet and then another one just for shits and giggles.

I also think that Gomez KO of Gatti was pretty impressive too
Yeah, Gomez-Gatti was more similar to Wilson-Nwodo, which are not my favorite type of KO (the one where a guy is just worn down to the point where it's only a matter of time...not to say I don't like 'em, just prefer the explosive out-of-left-field type). Still a good dismantling and a very good finish. Maybe even in the top five of the year so far, behind the big three and that Lee-Daniels one that Rock posted.

Rock0052
07-15-2007, 02:58 PM
i liked donaires the most....nice seeing a boxer ko a brawler. doesn't happen much.


imagine pbf knocking out cotto?

Exactly :good. He also gets props for landing it on the biggest "name" on the KO victims' list- not to take anything away from the other fighters because none of them had ever been KO'd like they were in the fights we're mentioning. You really can't go wrong with any of them though- it's amazing that we've already got KO's of that caliber and there's still over 5 months of fights left.

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 03:16 PM
Exactly :good. He also gets props for landing it on the biggest "name" on the KO victims' list- not to take anything away from the other fighters because none of them had ever been KO'd like they were in the fights we're mentioning. You really can't go wrong with any of them though- it's amazing that we've already got KO's of that caliber and there's still over 5 months of fights left.

And we've still got Pacquaio-Barrera II, Marquez-Barrios, Marquez-Vazquez II, Peter-Maskaev(?), Klitschko-McCline, Diamond-Singwangcha, Vargas-Mayorga, Calzaghe-Kessler, Taylor-Pavlik, Mormeck-Haye, Diaz-Morales, Chagaev-Ibragimov, and Diaz-Diaz. And who knows what kind of other surprises on FNF and the like. Plenty more opportunity for fireworks in what will go down as the Year Of The KTFOs.

BlueApollo
07-15-2007, 03:35 PM
Donnaire - Ding - Cintron. Donnaire's KO was the most technically sound, the most surprising, and also a thing of one punch beauty, which you really can't say about the other two. And I hate voting this way too, because Wilson - Nwodo reduced me to a primate for at least a good minute and a half.

Did ANYONE think Mathysse was actually going to stand and trade with Cintron for more than six rounds? I was busy this week and didn't get to the boards, but no one who saw him get nailed repeatedly by P-Dub could have thought he'd hold up against Cintron's power.

I still like Margarito over Cintron, but at least this time around it might actually be a fight.

IntentionalButt
07-15-2007, 08:15 PM
Donnaire - Ding - Cintron. Donnaire's KO was the most technically sound, the most surprising, and also a thing of one punch beauty, which you really can't say about the other two. And I hate voting this way too, because Wilson - Nwodo reduced me to a primate for at least a good minute and a half.

Did ANYONE think Mathysse was actually going to stand and trade with Cintron for more than six rounds? I was busy this week and didn't get to the boards, but no one who saw him get nailed repeatedly by P-Dub could have thought he'd hold up against Cintron's power.

I still like Margarito over Cintron, but at least this time around it might actually be a fight.

all the punches involved here were delivered with textbook efficacy. i think the combo was actually the sweetest as it was landed on a dazed but still moving opponent, whereas nwodo was pretty much dead on the ropes and darchinyan was lumbering straight forward.

nezy37
07-15-2007, 08:39 PM
I gotta go with ding's the way nwodo crumpled after that shot was just devistating

scurlaruntings
07-16-2007, 02:07 PM
I don't know, that was a pretty spectacular finish. As explosive and bizarre as it was, Nwodo's last stand was a little anti-climactic as he was basically out on his feet the whole round. And I missed the Nonito fight, but I've seen the part where Vic got starched, and it was pretty sweet.

But this was damn near perfect. A pinball KO, if you will...bounced him off one glove, onto the other, and through the canvas. Truly brutal stuff.

In what order would you rate the three?Im pretty sure none of you young cats remember Tokubo Olajide`s KO of Epifiano Mendoza.This was by far one of the best and most brutal KO`s i have EVER seen.The poor guy was carried out of the ring on a stretcher and i dont think he ever boxed again.Dam Shame about Olajide.He came from a famous heritage but only boxed because it was a fleeting passion..

IntentionalButt
07-16-2007, 02:23 PM
This has really tightened up! Here again is all this year's sweetest chin music in the ESB preferred order by the current tally.

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:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy

IntentionalButt
07-16-2007, 02:24 PM
This has really tightened up! Here again is all this year's sweetest chin music in the ESB preferred order by the current tally.

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:happy:happy:happy:happy:happy
SO MUCH CARNAGE! :fire:fire:fire:fire:fire:fire:fire:fire:good

scurlaruntings
07-16-2007, 02:29 PM
This has really tightened up! Here again is all this year's sweetest chin music in the ESB preferred order by the current tally.

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:happy:happy:happy:happy:happyCouldnt have happend to a better guy.Vics arrogance was really starting to piss me off.Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Rock0052
07-16-2007, 02:49 PM
Couldnt have happend to a better guy.Vics arrogance was really starting to piss me off.Oh how the mighty have fallen.

I wonder if Jermain Taylor will still give him that title shot...

scurlaruntings
07-16-2007, 02:51 PM
I wonder if Jermain Taylor will still give him that title shot...:huhVics a flyweight? You know something we dont:think

IntentionalButt
07-16-2007, 02:52 PM
I wonder if Jermain Taylor will still give him that title shot...

Vic still has a puncher's chance in that fight. :yep

Mrboogie23
07-16-2007, 02:55 PM
For me it goes Donaire, Ding, Cintron. They're all great KOs though. I choose this order because, Donaires was a beautiful perfectly timed counter left hook.

One punch. Great stuff. Brutal and technically perfect.

Ding next because he was having a tough time with Nwodo and then laid the boom down.

Last Cintron because he was whooping on Walter. I figured he was going to stop him. With that said it was still a great fucking combo.

IntentionalButt
07-16-2007, 03:01 PM
Kermit's falling dangerously behind! :scaredas:

Anyhow...

I can think of no reason the great kayo threesome should ever be forgot. :bart

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Spitfire7
07-16-2007, 03:03 PM
Nice little poll. I had it Donaire, Ding, Cintron.

Spitfire7
07-16-2007, 03:17 PM
I've never seen the chicken dance since Judah-Tszyu, and that tilted my vote towards Donaire...

Rock0052
07-16-2007, 03:31 PM
:huhVics a flyweight? You know something we dont:think

It was a typical Vic interview where he joked about moving up to fight Taylor when it didn't look like Jermain would find a good opponent at the time.

boxbox
07-16-2007, 03:36 PM
i liked it when a more agressive and still very much in the fight fighter throws a seemingly devastating punch and then gets KTFO! donaire-ding-cintron!

dings punch was something that you seem to just wait to happen, twas brutal but was not really unexpected during that time, i mean ding really KO people! cintron on the otherhand was a combination of punches, it is supposed to lead to a KO. and it did...

IntentionalButt
07-16-2007, 03:44 PM
Matthysse was on his way down after the first knockout blow. The 2nd one just made it punishment.

I think if the second blow had landed a split-second earlier during that moment where he was a stationary target, before his momentum had already started at that downward sloping angle, his health would have been in serious jeopardy.

scurlaruntings
07-16-2007, 05:45 PM
It was a typical Vic interview where he joked about moving up to fight Taylor when it didn't look like Jermain would find a good opponent at the time.Oh i see.Even better then that he got put on his ass:!:

Chiko_Tech
07-16-2007, 07:02 PM
the gary stark vs andreas ledesma is a great candidate

IntentionalButt
07-16-2007, 08:14 PM
the gary stark vs andreas ledesma is a great candidate
got a gif?