Well, Well, it looks like miranda was the yellow belly

[teetop]

According to a report confirmed by leon margules, warriors boxing turned down a kessler fight that HBO agreed to in florida for that matter. Mogens palle was lobbying to get miranda from the #6 spot
to the #2 spot in the WBA rankings so that the winner would be in a position to fight for the title. Team kessler just wanted to fight on HBO
not showtime. All those press releases from warriors were just trying to
boost miranda's profile. I knew kessler wasn't scared of that crude fuck.
Now kessler said he will fight whoever HBO wants him to fight on 6/21
so long as the money is right. Story is on boxingtalk if you don't don't beleive me.

[Bslice]

I don't believe boxing talk

[ishy]

Will we ever get to the bottom of this?

[Pantera2000]

According to a report confirmed by leon margules, warriors boxing turned down a kessler fight that HBO agreed to in florida for that matter. Mogens palle was lobbying to get miranda from the #6 spot
to the #2 spot in the WBA rankings so that the winner would be in a position to fight for the title. Team kessler just wanted to fight on HBO
not showtime. All those press releases from warriors were just trying to
boost miranda's profile. I knew kessler wasn't scared of that crude fuck.
Now kessler said he will fight whoever HBO wants him to fight on 6/21
so long as the money is right. Story is on boxingtalk if you don't don't beleive me.

I guess boxingtalk forgot to mention that Miranda didnt sit around and lined up another fight. Palle screwed this one up.

[markbrooklyn]

He said.. She said.. Let the promoters show some proof to what they're saying. Let's see some documents or something not all this fingerpointing.

[Bslice]

I still think Kessler's a pussy

[Bodysnatcher]

If true, good to see Kessler still has a place on HBO and that he's fighting in a few months.

If Miranda persues this other fight (Bika?), who are some possible opponents for Kessler?

Lacy seems an obvious choice.

[PrideOfWales]

If true, good to see Kessler still has a place on HBO and that he's fighting in a few months.

If Miranda persues this other fight (Bika?), who are some possible opponents for Kessler?

Lacy seems an obvious choice.

Isn't Lacy contracted to Showtime?

[Bodysnatcher]

Isn't Lacy contracted to Showtime?

Possibly. I assumed they'd dropped him like a bad penny by now, much like his other American fans.

[Pantera2000]

Isn't Lacy contracted to Showtime?

No. There are no long term contract like there used to be.

[Bodysnatcher]

Isn't Lacy contracted to Showtime?

He fought Manfredo on HBO, just remembered.

[Bodysnatcher]

Allen Green would be a good fight for Kessler.

Green or Lacy would be my picks...I don't see anyone else in the division he hasn't already fought or doesn't have another fight in the works.

Assuming Miranda really is in talks with someone else, that is.

[Hermit]

Based on a 'save face' press release on Kessler's agent's site? Give me a break.

[Only registered and activated users can see links]

We know Palle flat out lied and tried to blame Miranda's people for the fight falling through by saying they wrote the contract contrary to the verbal agreement. Miranda's people published the contract for all the world to see and Palle went silent when caught in his lie.

Now you want to believe Kessler's agents web site? We know Miranda's people have been working hard to get SOMEONE to fight. Kessler just found out the world doesn't revolve around him? Poor baby. Miranda's people don't negotiate in bad faith and drop everything for poor little Palle?

This line is a classic. Hang it up and frame it:

"Now he's burned Showtime in one month and HBO in the next. I just wonder if Pantera and his co-managers know what's been going on."

I suppose this crap will fly with Kessler supporters though, and that is the only crowd they are trying to save face with.

[Hermit]

Its very simple actually. Does Miranda/and his fans wants to fight Kessler or not. Kessler the best in 168, on HBO, for more money and in Mirandas own backyard? Not all this trash talk. Miranda - a little criminal has just walked into a biker bar calling out a Hells Angels. Take the fight / or piss off.
Only simple if you don't have prior negotiations. Just because that means nothing to Palle doesn't mean that the rest of the world goes around screwing other people at the drop of a hat they THINK dropped.

And lets not forget. Who wants to deal with Palle? He flat out lied and tried to blame Miranda's people for the fight falling through by saying the contact was not what they agreed to? Only to have Miranda's camp publish it and Palle went silent when caught in his lie? Now we are to believe there were negotiations? Any negotiations? Let alone serious negotions from this guy? Kessler's management screwed up and put up a pathetic press release trying to save face. Buy into it if you wish.

[Hermit]

You as a fan just have to say yes or no.

All Miranda's team does is trash talking before and after a fight who never was. Do you actually wants the fight :huh
Actually, I'm not a fan of either. I've just come to dislike Palle. ;)

Do I want the fight? Yes.

Does that mean the fight can happen now because Miranda is clear to negotiate with Palle? No.

Would I believe anything from Palle now? HELL NO!

[Pantera2000]

As long as Miranda fights a good name top fighter next, I am happy. I am sure if it is not Kessler now, he will be next!

[pipe wrenched]

As long as Miranda fights a good name top fighter next, I am happy. I am sure if it is not Kessler now, he will be next!

Come on man, you know who it is!! Just give us a clue?? We won't tell anybody.:hey

[Pantera2000]

Come on man, you know who it is!! Just give us a clue?? We won't tell anybody.:hey

See the poll.... Now your numbers have narrowed! :D

[pipe wrenched]

See the poll.... Now your numbers have narrowed! :D

Maybe a little, but Kessler's still way out front, with the closest runners up being Bika and Lacy.

So, by that, and without you having to tell us anything you're not supposed to can you somehow indicate that it's either Bika or Lacy we're lookin at here.

Also, no chance of him going after Bute's Belt?? From what I've read Bute would love to fight on HBO.

[teetop]

Actually, I'm not a fan of either. I've just come to dislike Palle. ;)

Do I want the fight? Yes.

Does that mean the fight can happen now because Miranda is clear to negotiate with Palle? No.

Would I believe anything from Palle now? HELL NO!

Hermit, you're obviously a pantera fan and it shows. You saw the same
shit posted on these sites as me. A copy of the contract agreement?
That shit they showed on fightnews.com was a contract? you're as naive as the people you're calling naive. So, leon margules' press releases are credible but not mogens palle. Go fukk yourself and get a clue. All the evidence I need to know that kessler is right and pantera
is full of shit is that what held things up was palle lobbying to get miranda elevated up the rankings to satisfy HBO w/ a title bout. HBO
wanted it, the fight will be in warriors turf, and now team pantera doesn't want it. Well FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKK THEM!!
And fukk you too!!
That's why I made the post, and if you don't like it. hit the AOL chatrooms!
:ass

[pipe wrenched]

Actually i thought Pantera2000 was somewhere near Miranda, but now i don't. Any prof would change that of cause :huh

He always knows way too much to not be. IMO, he's atleast in the corner team or something very close.

Pantera, I did take notice of your comment earlier on your saying you'd like to see Abraham. Uhm, any way you could give an indicator that may be. Because I thought AA was gonna be forced a mandatory instead of being given the opportunity to fight Edison.

[pipe wrenched]

Hermit, you're obviously a pantera fan and it shows. You saw the same
shit posted on these sites as me. A copy of the contract agreement?
That shit they showed on fightnews.com was a contract? you're as naive as the people you're calling naive. So, leon margules' press releases are credible but not mogens palle. Go fukk yourself and get a clue. All the evidence I need to know that kessler is right and pantera
is full of shit is that what held things up was palle lobbying to get miranda elevated up the rankings to satisfy HBO w/ a title bout. HBO
wanted it, the fight will be in warriors turf, and now team pantera doesn't want it. Well FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUKKKKKK THEM!!
And fukk you too!!
That's why I made the post, and if you don't like it. hit the AOL chatrooms!
:ass

Bro, if you're gonna go all off on Hermit like that, atleast take the time to check his post. Sure he doesn't like to shit on Miranda like a lot of folks around here, but I can guarantee you just from the many discussions we've been involved in Miranda is not his favorite.

Hermit's a damn good poster with a lot of boxing knowledge.:deal

[the_what]

Kessler was the one that pulled out the fight. :deal

[Hermit]

Hermit, you're obviously a pantera fan and it shows.
I am from Youngstown. I went to school with KP's father. My brother used to be buds with Jack Lowe. My interest in Miranda is seeing how well he does at 168 since all of the ESB pundents have proclaimed 160 is the shit division of boxing and Pavlik is a hype job. I am interested in seeing how well Miranda does since Kelly will be moving up after the first of the year. So, you are obviously wrong about my being a Miranda fan. I just hate Palle. ;)

You saw the same shit posted on these sites as me. A copy of the contract agreement?
[Only registered and activated users can see links]
Palle never disputed these terms that I know of


:ass

Showing what you think with here?:deal

[Bodysnatcher]

Team Palle were slippery and deceitful dealers it seems but that's hardly a rarity in this game.

If Kessler has a slot on HBO in June for a vacated belt I find it pretty hard to believe that Miranda isn't going to come back to the table, and pretty soon too.

[teetop]

Bro, if you're gonna go all off on Hermit like that, atleast take the time to check his post. Sure he doesn't like to shit on Miranda like a lot of folks around here, but I can guarantee you just from the many discussions we've been involved in Miranda is not his favorite.

Hermit's a damn good poster with a lot of boxing knowledge.:deal

Well he's not showing any objectivity which shows lack of knowledge.
I've been following this BS b/n kessler and miranda for weeks now, and
it boggles by mind how anyone thinks kessler is scared of miranda. Also,
Miranda has NOTHING to offer kessler. Kess has options, miranda doesn't. One bs contract and a press release by miranda's promoter and hermit and other trolls on this forum who hate white fighters start spewing this rhetoric. It's insulting and arrogant. So pipe wrench, while i appreciate your defending of hermit, i take back nothing i said and stand behind it 100%!
Thanks:thumbsup

[pipe wrenched]

Kessler was the one that pulled out the fight. :deal

NO DOUBT!! And it was pretty well documented, from the things Di Bella had to say, from Dan Rafaels reporting on it in which he layed out all 16 demands put forth by Kessler's team and the fact that all 16 were met, and whether you want to believe them is up to you but the stuff put forward by Warriors and Showtime. Not to mention on top of it all, they are in no position to finally try to make a "comeback" at Miranda after they pulled out to try to force a fight on Mundine.

[psychopath]

As long as Miranda fights a good name top fighter next, I am happy. I am sure if it is not Kessler now, he will be next!

You're happy? :roll: :yikes

What? You suddenly become a Miranda apologist ??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Just a week or so . . . you are all over this forum hurling all kinds of invictves and insults to team Kesller for pulling out of the proposed fight to get at shot at Mundine and another title . . . now you're happy?

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Fuck you Boiii! Shut up!
:yep

[Hermit]

Bro, if you're gonna go all off on Hermit like that, atleast take the time to check his post. Sure he doesn't like to shit on Miranda like a lot of folks around here, but I can guarantee you just from the many discussions we've been involved in Miranda is not his favorite.

Hermit's a damn good poster with a lot of boxing knowledge.:deal
Thanks. I really try not to 'dis' the fighters. Especially for their management. I didnt' like Miranda's folks press releases either. I thought maybe it was just publicity like JC/Bhop, but now I wonder if they expected Palle to back out all along and were trying to make it more difficult for him to do what he did? Did you see the Palle release? Pot call kettle. But it worked from their point of view. It seems to be what Kessler fans wanted to hear. An excuse to excuse the excuse. They feel as if the whole thing is now 'even' some how.

[Bodysnatcher]

NO DOUBT!! And it was pretty well documented, from the things Di Bella had to say, from Dan Rafaels reporting on it in which he layed out all 16 demands put forth by Kessler's team and the fact that all 16 were met, and whether you want to believe them is up to you but the stuff put forward by Warriors and Showtime. Not to mention on top of it all, they are in no position to finally try to make a "comeback" at Miranda after they pulled out to try to force a fight on Mundine.

I believe Rafael too, and I believe that Team Palle were dicking Miranda about, but at the end of the day, it doesn't help Miranda's career to spit out his dummy and sulk rather than take a fight against the most dangerous guy in his chosen division on a (seemingly) guaranteed HBO slot.

[Bodysnatcher]

Thanks. I really try not to 'dis' the fighters. Especially for their management. I didnt' like Miranda's folks press releases either. I thought maybe it was just publicity like JC/Bhop, but now I wonder if they expected Palle to back out all along and were trying to make it more difficult for him to do what he did? Did you see the Palle release? Pot call kettle. But it worked from their point of view. It seems to be what Kessler fans wanted to hear. An excuse to excuse the excuse. They feel as if the whole thing is now 'even' some how.

Yeah, that attitude is ludicrous.

Team Palle have found themselves in the shit after arrogantly assuming Mundine was their property to dictate to at will, even though he already had a money-spinning domestic fight set up against Soliman.

You can't blame Miranda's team for giving them the cold shoulder after their trickery and deceit.

However, it would be better if they forgot it and just made the fight most of us wanna see.

[pipe wrenched]

Well he's not showing any objectivity which shows lack of knowledge.
I've been following this BS b/n kessler and miranda for weeks now, and
it boggles by mind how anyone thinks kessler is scared of miranda. Also,
Miranda has NOTHING to offer kessler. Kess has options, miranda doesn't. One bs contract and a press release by miranda's promoter and hermit and other trolls on this forum who hate white fighters start spewing this rhetoric. It's insulting and arrogant. So pipe wrench, while i appreciate your defending of hermit, i take back nothing i said and stand behind it 100%!
Thanks:thumbsup

See that's it right there, how black does Kelly Pavlik look to you my good man??

On a slightly different subject too, one thing that boggles my mind, is after seeing so many posts saying how Miranda doesn't deserve a shot at any top 168's because he's only beat 2 unranked fighters so far at 168 etc.., but are all high and ready for say Kessler or other top guys to fight Jermain Taylor, who just like Miranda lost 2 times at MW and unlike Miranda has yet to beat anybody yet at the weight??

[Hermit]

See that's it right there, how black does Kelly Pavlik look to you my good man??
:rofl I totally missed the part about hating white fighters. Sorry Pantera2000. I can't pick on Palle anymore, folks will think I'm racist. This is just too funny. I almost got adopted over in the Irish forum..... Just couldn't honestly say I knew I had any Irish blood..... but us Americans are all mongrels. Most don't know half of what we are ;)

[pipe wrenched]

:rofl I totally missed the part about hating white fighters. Sorry Pantera2000. I can't pick on Palle anymore, folks will think I'm racist. This is just too funny. I almost got adopted over in the Irish forum..... Just couldn't honestly say I knew I had any Irish blood..... but us Americans are all mongrels. Most don't know half of what we are ;)

We are what ever our American media (that all non-American's seem to be the REAL experts on) tell us to be, and what to think.:yep

[sthomas]

Its very simple actually. Does Miranda/and his fans wants to fight Kessler or not. Kessler the best in 168, on HBO, for more money and in Mirandas own backyard? Not all this trash talk. Miranda - a little criminal has just walked into a biker bar calling out a Hells Angels. Take the fight / or piss off.

That's a Hell of shot in your avatar. Have not seen that one yet. Kessler looks to be getting his full body into it. I'm surprised that didn't topple Calz. I wonder if Hopkins has seen this!!!!

[pipe wrenched]

:rofl I totally missed the part about hating white fighters. Sorry Pantera2000. I can't pick on Palle anymore, folks will think I'm racist. This is just too funny. I almost got adopted over in the Irish forum..... Just couldn't honestly say I knew I had any Irish blood..... but us Americans are all mongrels. Most don't know half of what we are ;)

Funny shit, huh?? And now he's started a new thread CALLING ALL OF US TROLLS!!:rofl :rofl

BTW, I know damn well you can stand your own ground on these debates, it just made me a little sick to see him saying such wrong shit about one of ESB's obviously finest posters. Cheers to Hermit.:yep

[Pantera2000]

He always knows way too much to not be. IMO, he's atleast in the corner team or something very close.

Pantera, I did take notice of your comment earlier on your saying you'd like to see Abraham. Uhm, any way you could give an indicator that may be. Because I thought AA was gonna be forced a mandatory instead of being given the opportunity to fight Edison.

Who do you think you are? Sherlock Holmes ??!!?!? :hey

No comment on your theories... :D
A press release WILL go out today with the details.

[Hermit]

Who do you think you are? Sherlock Holmes ??!!?!? :hey

No comment on your theories... :D
A press release WILL go out today with the details.
Geez. You call him Sherlock Holmes and in the sister thread someone wants to know if I'm a lawyer. I think I can answer NO to both, but I really shouldn't speak for piped. :lol:

Anyhow, great to see Miranda's team got him a fight. Thanks for the heads up.

[marauder1999]

No. There are no long term contract like there used to be.

Hey pantera2000--how come you dont have a pic of you running after pavlik beat your boy senseless?