Scores for Margo vs. Williams

[Thor]

How did my fellow ESB ers score actually score this fight? Didn't two judges have it 7-5 Williams? So, if they scored the 12th round for Margarito (if he would have won it, I don't think he did) it would have been a majority draw.

[Cerberus]

Yup, if Margarito showed a little more heart in the 12th, he would be walking with his title

I scored it 8 rounds to 4 for Paul

[Thor]

Yup, if Margarito showed a little more heart in the 12th, he would be walking with his title

I scored it 8 rounds to 4 for Paul
I had it 7-5 for Paul, I think I gave Margarito the 4th round, can't remember though. You're right, let it go all out in the 12th and Margarito keeps the belt.

[brooklyn1550]

I had it 116-112 for Williams

He came very close to getting a draw, but Williams did a good job of not letting him win the 12th. As a result, we've got a new WBO champion

[paulfv]

7-5 Paul. Margo only needed the last round to keep his belt. That's gotta sting.

[Thor]

I had it 116-112 for Williams

He came very close to getting a draw, but Williams did a good job of not letting him win the 12th. As a result, we've got a new WBO champion

:lol: I'm curious, did you lose an avatar bet?

[divac]

I see this thread has gotten very few responses as most dont actually have a scorecard to post!
Typical of a fan to just post what the HBO retards feed them.

While some of you decide to take HBO's word that Williams was up 5-0 after 5 rounds at face value.
I saw and scored the fight round by round, and say different.

Heres my complete scorecard......
Rounds 3,4,6,7,8,10 and 11 for Margarito.
Rounds 2,5,9,and 12 for Williams
Round 1 I had even.

7-4-1, which means 116-113 in favor of Antonio Margarito.

I thought what Margarito said post fight was 100% correct.
While Williams threw loads of punches, the great majority of them were picked off by Margarito's gloves, arms and elbows.

Margarito picking off Williams shots was'nt anything that Margarito did that was subtle. It was'nt hard to spot, Margarito was visibly and clearly picking off Williams shot at the pass.

In turn, Margarito's work to WIlliams body went un-noticed by the retards at HBO.

Margarito may have thrown less, but he clearly imo landed the harder, cleaner, and more effective blows.

It was a good contest, but I'm one that does'nt reward fighters like Paul Williams that do very little significant punching.
He was flicking and slapping more than he was punching.

As for Margarito, its a pity that judges often times dont reward body punching. Margarito because Williams was in constant retreat, did his best work to the body.

HBO gave alot of credit to Williams for his jab and volume and punches, but for someone who was supposed to have landed a significant amount more than Margarito, you look at Margarito's face and you could'nt tell he was in a fight.

It was a close fight with alot of close rounds, but I feel Margarito was disrespected by the judges for the champion that he is.
There is absolutely no way that Williams took the title from the champion. Not by running away, and not by the authority (or lack of) that he used in his punches.

116-113 Margarito!

[Shpion]

I had it 115-113 for Williams.

[Slaughter27]

Divac, you scored the first round a draw and gave the second to Margarito, I'm convinced you were drunk watching this fight.

[brooklyn1550]

:lol: I'm curious, did you lose an avatar bet?

Unfortunately

[IntentionalButt]

:lol: I'm curious, did you lose an avatar bet?

:lol: yeah brooklyn what gives bro? did you pick matthyse or something?

[divac]

I had it 7-5 for Paul, I think I gave Margarito the 4th round, can't remember though. You're right, let it go all out in the 12th and Margarito keeps the belt.

Margarito most likely spent himself by having a huge 11th.....in hindsight, expending so much energy offensively in the 11th may have cost him the title, as Margarito punch output took a dip in the last round that cost him the round.

[brooklyn1550]

:lol: yeah brooklyn what gives bro? did you pick matthyse or something?

I picked Margarito by decision:D

[fightking12]

116-113 Willams

[dalek]

115-113 margarito.ofr the last 6 rounds i only gave williams round 12.

[divac]

Divac, you scored the first round a draw and gave the second to Margarito, I'm convinced you were drunk watching this fight.
If you recorded the fight, take a look at that 1st round again.....HBO gave lots of credit to Williams for shots that Margarito was picking off.

I dont really have a problem if anybody gave the round to Williams, he was clearly the busier fighter, but in my view he was'nt effectively busy as most of his shots were clearly and visibley getting picked off while most missed a few hard body shots by Margarito that caught my attention.

My reasoning for an even round was that Margarito's harder cleaner body shots offset the busier Williams who was constantly getting blocked by Margarito's gloves.

[J_Roth]

116-112 for Williams.

[IntentionalButt]

If you recorded the fight, take a look at that 1st round again.....HBO gave lots of credit to Williams for shots that Margarito was picking off.

I dont really have a problem if anybody gave the round to Williams, he was clearly the busier fighter, but in my view he was'nt effectively busy as most of his shots were clearly and visibley getting picked off while most missed a few hard body shots by Margarito that caught my attention.

My reasoning for an even round was that Margarito's harder cleaner body shots offset the busier Williams who was constantly getting blocked by Margarito's gloves.

Lampley also got really shrill yelping about a lot of Margarito's combinations wherein very few shots landed. You want to talk about Tony picking punches off, then we need to also remember how many Paul slipped. Alot more than Tony blocked. :smoke

[Sinew]

I see this thread has gotten very few responses as most dont actually have a scorecard to post!
Typical of a fan to just post what the HBO retards feed them.

While some of you decide to take HBO's word that Williams was up 5-0 after 5 rounds at face value.
I saw and scored the fight round by round, and say different.

Heres my complete scorecard......
Rounds 3,4,6,7,8,10 and 11 for Margarito.
Rounds 2,5,9,and 12 for Williams
Round 1 I had even.

7-4-1, which means 116-113 in favor of Antonio Margarito.

I thought what Margarito said post fight was 100% correct.
While Williams threw loads of punches, the great majority of them were picked off by Margarito's gloves, arms and elbows.

Margarito picking off Williams shots was'nt anything that Margarito did that was subtle. It was'nt hard to spot, Margarito was visibly and clearly picking off Williams shot at the pass.

In turn, Margarito's work to WIlliams body went un-noticed by the retards at HBO.

Margarito may have thrown less, but he clearly imo landed the harder, cleaner, and more effective blows.

It was a good contest, but I'm one that does'nt reward fighters like Paul Williams that do very little significant punching.
He was flicking and slapping more than he was punching.

As for Margarito, its a pity that judges often times dont reward body punching. Margarito because Williams was in constant retreat, did his best work to the body.

HBO gave alot of credit to Williams for his jab and volume and punches, but for someone who was supposed to have landed a significant amount more than Margarito, you look at Margarito's face and you could'nt tell he was in a fight.

It was a close fight with alot of close rounds, but I feel Margarito was disrespected by the judges for the champion that he is.
There is absolutely no way that Williams took the title from the champion. Not by running away, and not by the authority (or lack of) that he used in his punches.

116-113 Margarito!:rofl

[IntentionalButt]

:rofl

Somewhere between that and :yikes

[Silver]

I see this thread has gotten very few responses as most dont actually have a scorecard to post!
Typical of a fan to just post what the HBO retards feed them.

While some of you decide to take HBO's word that Williams was up 5-0 after 5 rounds at face value.
I saw and scored the fight round by round, and say different.

Heres my complete scorecard......
Rounds 3,4,6,7,8,10 and 11 for Margarito.
Rounds 2,5,9,and 12 for Williams
Round 1 I had even.

7-4-1, which means 116-113 in favor of Antonio Margarito.

I thought what Margarito said post fight was 100% correct.
While Williams threw loads of punches, the great majority of them were picked off by Margarito's gloves, arms and elbows.

Margarito picking off Williams shots was'nt anything that Margarito did that was subtle. It was'nt hard to spot, Margarito was visibly and clearly picking off Williams shot at the pass.

In turn, Margarito's work to WIlliams body went un-noticed by the retards at HBO.

Margarito may have thrown less, but he clearly imo landed the harder, cleaner, and more effective blows.

It was a good contest, but I'm one that does'nt reward fighters like Paul Williams that do very little significant punching.
He was flicking and slapping more than he was punching.

As for Margarito, its a pity that judges often times dont reward body punching. Margarito because Williams was in constant retreat, did his best work to the body.

HBO gave alot of credit to Williams for his jab and volume and punches, but for someone who was supposed to have landed a significant amount more than Margarito, you look at Margarito's face and you could'nt tell he was in a fight.

It was a close fight with alot of close rounds, but I feel Margarito was disrespected by the judges for the champion that he is.
There is absolutely no way that Williams took the title from the champion. Not by running away, and not by the authority (or lack of) that he used in his punches.

116-113 Margarito!:-( your boy lost, cant you give williams any credit

[divac]

Lampley also got really shrill yelping about a lot of Margarito's combinations wherein very few shots landed. You want to talk about Tony picking punches off, then we need to also remember how many Paul slipped. Alot more than Tony blocked. :smoke

:nono Margarito was punching plenty hard to Williams gut, thats a good reason right there to start to flick and slap with your punches, as Williams did.

There were intances in the fight where Williams would slap and miss with 6 seven punches in a row.


One fighter threw and landed with authorative shots, the other did'nt.
From my perspective, its that simple.

[divac]

:rofl



Exactly, no response, and no scorecard either.
You just made my point!:lol: :rofl

[audio101]

116-113 for Margarito is such a horrible score card. The Margo fans must be in denial at the moment.

[IntentionalButt]

:nono Margarito was punching plenty hard to Williams gut, thats a good reason right there to start to flick and slap with your punches, as Williams did.

There were intances in the fight where Williams would slap and miss with 6 seven punches in a row.


One fighter threw and landed with authorative shots, the other did'nt.
From my perspective, its that simple.

land=touch. if you use this (honest) scoring criteria, williams landed plenty and made margarito miss alot more with his slipping than margarito made him miss with his guard. paul touched margarito's face and neck with half of his flicks in some of those exchanges. were they crushing shots? no. was it effective aggressiveness? well it kept margarito in the range paul wanted him for all but a few rounds of the fight, so i'd say yeah.

[divac]

:-( your boy lost, cant you give Williams any credit

I can actually live with the 115-113 scorecards turned in by the two judges.
As I said before, there were alot of close rounds....but imo Margarito being the champion, the aggressor, and landing the harder more authorative blows was disrespected in those close round (as they obviously tilted toward Williams by the judges)

Thats no disrespect to Williams, who clearly imo found a way to keep the fight close even in the eyes of someone like myself that scored it for Margarito.

.....again, no disrespect to Williams. I was actually impressed with his staying power down the stretch when Margarito made his customary late charge.

Dont mis-interpret an opinion that Margarito won as disrespect to Williams.
Williams definitely proved he belongs as a player in the welterweight division.

[Silver]

I can actually live with the 115-113 scorecards turned in by the two judges.
As I said before, there were alot of close rounds....but imo Margarito being the champion, the aggressor, and landing the harder more authorative blows was disrespected in those close round (as they obviously tilted toward Williams by the judges)

Thats no disrespect to Williams, who clearly imo found a way to keep the fight close even in the eyes of someone like myself that scored it for Margarito.

.....again, no disrespect to Williams. I was actually impressed with his staying power down the stretch when Margarito made his customary late charge.

Dont mis-interpret an opinion that Margarito won as disrespect to Williams.
Williams definitely proved he belongs as a player in the welterweight division.fine but as for agression, while margo came forward, it was williams who threw way more. margo's blows were more effective but niether man was hurt. williams pretty much beat margo at hiw own game, volume punching. he started off slow like he did vs. clottey but this time it really hurt him.

[divac]

land=touch. if you use this (honest) scoring criteria, williams landed plenty and made margarito miss alot more with his slipping than margarito made him miss with his guard. paul touched margarito's face and neck with half of his flicks in some of those exchanges. were they crushing shots? no. was it effective aggressiveness? well it kept margarito in the range paul wanted him for all but a few rounds of the fight, so i'd say yeah.

Its a matter of opinion I would guess.

I will say that I scored this fight with unbiased eyes. I did'nt favor won fighter over the other.
.......and I'll also say that I'm a consistent scorer.
For those that know me some, they'll find that I typically favor the harder punching aggressor over a fighter that backtracks while slapping.

This particular fight reminds me some of the Chris Byrd-Andrew Golata fight.....where I clearly had Golata as a more clear winner than Margarito did tonight......

......yet there are those in this forum that would swear Byrd's slaps was enough for them to say Byrd outboxed Golata.

I favor aggression and harder punching over a fighter like Byrd and Williams that not out to punch with a fully closed fist.
I'm consistent in my scoring as to score as such, and my 116-113 score in favor of Margarito I feel reflects that.

[divac]

fine but as for agression, while margo came forward, it was williams who threw way more. margo's blows were more effective but niether man was hurt. williams pretty much beat margo at hiw own game, volume punching. he started off slow like he did vs. clottey but this time it really hurt him.

You just said it Silver.........
"MARGO'S BLOWS WERE MORE EFFECTIVE!".......how can anybody who just said this ridicule my 116-113 score.

Magarito's punches were more effective, thats why I did'nt typically follow HBO's lead and assume Williams volume was enough to get him the rounds........

They both are volume puncher Silver, we all knew that going in......
.....but Margarito was more effective, thus he won on my card!:deal

[IntentionalButt]

You just said it Silver.........
"MARGO'S BLOWS WERE MORE EFFECTIVE!".......how can anybody who just said this ridicule my 116-113 score.

Magarito's punches were more effective, thats why I did'nt typically follow HBO's lead and assume Williams volume was enough to get him the rounds........

They both are volume puncher Silver, we all knew that going in......
.....but Margarito was more effective, thus he won on my card!:deal

there's effective in terms of being ostensibly harder and accumulatively damaging, and then there's effective in terms of controlling the ring. margarito's were the former, williams' were the latter. the one type of effective aggressiveness only matters if it culminates in a KO, the other wins rounds. :good

[Silver]

You just said it Silver.........
"MARGO'S BLOWS WERE MORE EFFECTIVE!".......how can anybody who just said this ridicule my 116-113 score.

Magarito's punches were more effective, thats why I did'nt typically follow HBO's lead and assume Williams volume was enough to get him the rounds........

They both are volume puncher Silver, we all knew that going in......
.....but Margarito was more effective, thus he won on my card!:dealbut those effective blows margo was landing were he had lost several earlier rds. margo had problems even getting close enough to land those shots until it came towards the middle rds. thats when he started landing those staright rights and those body punches. it just looked like he put himself in position to need a ko and margo has never been a ko puncher.

[eze]

116-112 Williams

Margo clearly lost the first 5 rounds.

[Sinew]

Somewhere between that and :yikes:lol: :yep

[johnco]

I see this thread has gotten very few responses as most dont actually have a scorecard to post!
Typical of a fan to just post what the HBO retards feed them.

While some of you decide to take HBO's word that Williams was up 5-0 after 5 rounds at face value.
I saw and scored the fight round by round, and say different.

Heres my complete scorecard......
Rounds 3,4,6,7,8,10 and 11 for Margarito.
Rounds 2,5,9,and 12 for Williams
Round 1 I had even.

7-4-1, which means 116-113 in favor of Antonio Margarito.

I thought what Margarito said post fight was 100% correct.
While Williams threw loads of punches, the great majority of them were picked off by Margarito's gloves, arms and elbows.

Margarito picking off Williams shots was'nt anything that Margarito did that was subtle. It was'nt hard to spot, Margarito was visibly and clearly picking off Williams shot at the pass.

In turn, Margarito's work to WIlliams body went un-noticed by the retards at HBO.

Margarito may have thrown less, but he clearly imo landed the harder, cleaner, and more effective blows.

It was a good contest, but I'm one that does'nt reward fighters like Paul Williams that do very little significant punching.
He was flicking and slapping more than he was punching.

As for Margarito, its a pity that judges often times dont reward body punching. Margarito because Williams was in constant retreat, did his best work to the body.

HBO gave alot of credit to Williams for his jab and volume and punches, but for someone who was supposed to have landed a significant amount more than Margarito, you look at Margarito's face and you could'nt tell he was in a fight.

It was a close fight with alot of close rounds, but I feel Margarito was disrespected by the judges for the champion that he is.
There is absolutely no way that Williams took the title from the champion. Not by running away, and not by the authority (or lack of) that he used in his punches.

116-113 Margarito!

worse analysis in esb history..... what a blind :patsch

[divac]

but those effective blows margo was landing were he had lost several earlier rds. margo had problems even getting close enough to land those shots until it came towards the middle rds. thats when he started landing those staright rights and those body punches. it just looked like he put himself in position to need a ko and margo has never been a ko puncher.

Williams much longer legs and frame took him away from getting hit hard to the head by Margarito's shots, but it certainly did'nt stop Margarito from hitting Williams hard to the body.

I dont see where Williams is controlling the ring if he's not stopping Margarito's foward aggression, and he's not stopping or even discouraging Margarito to dig deep and punch.

Running around a ring does'nt equate to controlling the ring.

Margarito took what was available as Williams was intent on flurring with less than significant power, while at the same time, Margarito punched with power.

[Silver]

Williams much longer legs and frame took him away from getting hit hard to the head by Margarito's shots, but it certainly did'nt stop Margarito from hitting Williams hard to the body.

I dont see where Williams is controlling the ring if he's not stopping Margarito's foward aggression, and he's not stopping or even discouraging Margarito to dig deep and punch.

Running around a ring does'nt equate to controlling the ring.

Margarito took what was available as Williams was intent on flurring with less than significant power, while at the same time, Margarito punched with power.you are saying this but ask yourself did he do this over the course of 12 rds? he didnt start a consistent attack until the 6th rd really. and williams did stop margo agression in the first half of the fight by jabbing. it created distance. over the course of the fight margo was able to close the gap as the fight wore on but you cant negate margo ineffectivenss early when williams was winning rds. as for running around, he moved alot to create distance but he still was throwing punches exchanging. thats what really counts.

[PBF P4P #1]

116-112 Williams

[paulfv]

Just put up a new thread with 11 boxing writers' scores. They picked Margo for a win or a draw over PW winning!

[rodadus]

116-112 for Williams.
Divac do you count punches in every fight so you know who blocked how many punches went through and how many got blocked.Its silly when u score round by round only an idiot would give Margo a victory.Williams clearly won this fight.

[divac]

you are saying this but ask yourself did he do this over the course of 12 rds? he didnt start a consistent attack until the 6th rd really. and williams did stop margo agression in the first half of the fight by jabbing. it created distance. over the course of the fight margo was able to close the gap as the fight wore on but you cant negate margo ineffectivenss early when williams was winning rds. as for running around, he moved alot to create distance but he still was throwing punches exchanging. thats what really counts.

There are two things that I saw that caught my eye during the first 6 rounds while HBO was pointing to a shutout.......

One Williams was'nt punching with any authority.......and two, Margarito was picking off the great majority of Williams's punches.

In essence, Williams moving his hands imo created the illusion to many that he was being more effective.
....but from my perspective, their was a reason why Williams did'nt put more mustard on his shots in a more consistent basis.
......when you put mustard on a shot, you leave yourself vulnerable.....obviously, Williams felt Margarito's power enough to not open up with power......and since Williams did'nt open up much with power and still got alot of his shots blocked even without offering much power.....
I dont see where anybody can say he was clearly more effective than Margarito, even in the first 6 rounds where on my scorecard it was a dead heat through six.

[Pimp C]

Margo won 3 or 4 rounds at best it was a clear win for Williams.

[Pimp C]

The funny thing about it is that the worldclass pressure fighter got beat at his own game. Willimas out hustled him nothing complicated about what he did.

[Pimp C]

I see this thread has gotten very few responses as most dont actually have a scorecard to post!
Typical of a fan to just post what the HBO retards feed them.

While some of you decide to take HBO's word that Williams was up 5-0 after 5 rounds at face value.
I saw and scored the fight round by round, and say different.

Heres my complete scorecard......
Rounds 3,4,6,7,8,10 and 11 for Margarito.
Rounds 2,5,9,and 12 for Williams
Round 1 I had even.

7-4-1, which means 116-113 in favor of Antonio Margarito.

I thought what Margarito said post fight was 100% correct.
While Williams threw loads of punches, the great majority of them were picked off by Margarito's gloves, arms and elbows.

Margarito picking off Williams shots was'nt anything that Margarito did that was subtle. It was'nt hard to spot, Margarito was visibly and clearly picking off Williams shot at the pass.

In turn, Margarito's work to WIlliams body went un-noticed by the retards at HBO.

Margarito may have thrown less, but he clearly imo landed the harder, cleaner, and more effective blows.

It was a good contest, but I'm one that does'nt reward fighters like Paul Williams that do very little significant punching.
He was flicking and slapping more than he was punching.

As for Margarito, its a pity that judges often times dont reward body punching. Margarito because Williams was in constant retreat, did his best work to the body.

HBO gave alot of credit to Williams for his jab and volume and punches, but for someone who was supposed to have landed a significant amount more than Margarito, you look at Margarito's face and you could'nt tell he was in a fight.

It was a close fight with alot of close rounds, but I feel Margarito was disrespected by the judges for the champion that he is.
There is absolutely no way that Williams took the title from the champion. Not by running away, and not by the authority (or lack of) that he used in his punches.

116-113 Margarito!
:lol: :nut :patsch

[Illmatic]

If you gave this fight to Margo, either you are completely biased or just a terrible scorer.

[divac]

If you gave this fight to Margo, either you are completely biased or just a terrible scorer.

Judging from another thread that has a link to the scores of quite a few boxing writers, there must be a whole lot of terrible scorers.

Of course, you cant be one of them Illmatic!:nono :lol: :rofl :nut

[.trunzx]

8-4 Williams

If you want to be nice to Margarito you could have it 7-5 or MAYBE a draw. No way Margarito won this.

[Danny Ocean]

i had it 7-4-1 williams with imo him winning 5 of the first 6 rounds with 1 even , plus round 9 and 12

[*BOX_FAN*]

116-112 for Williams

[PowerPuncher]

I see this thread has gotten very few responses as most dont actually have a scorecard to post!
Typical of a fan to just post what the HBO retards feed them.

While some of you decide to take HBO's word that Williams was up 5-0 after 5 rounds at face value.
I saw and scored the fight round by round, and say different.

Heres my complete scorecard......
Rounds 3,4,6,7,8,10 and 11 for Margarito.
Rounds 2,5,9,and 12 for Williams
Round 1 I had even.

7-4-1, which means 116-113 in favor of Antonio Margarito.

I thought what Margarito said post fight was 100% correct.
While Williams threw loads of punches, the great majority of them were picked off by Margarito's gloves, arms and elbows.

Margarito picking off Williams shots was'nt anything that Margarito did that was subtle. It was'nt hard to spot, Margarito was visibly and clearly picking off Williams shot at the pass.

In turn, Margarito's work to WIlliams body went un-noticed by the retards at HBO.

Margarito may have thrown less, but he clearly imo landed the harder, cleaner, and more effective blows.

It was a good contest, but I'm one that does'nt reward fighters like Paul Williams that do very little significant punching.
He was flicking and slapping more than he was punching.

As for Margarito, its a pity that judges often times dont reward body punching. Margarito because Williams was in constant retreat, did his best work to the body.

HBO gave alot of credit to Williams for his jab and volume and punches, but for someone who was supposed to have landed a significant amount more than Margarito, you look at Margarito's face and you could'nt tell he was in a fight.

It was a close fight with alot of close rounds, but I feel Margarito was disrespected by the judges for the champion that he is.
There is absolutely no way that Williams took the title from the champion. Not by running away, and not by the authority (or lack of) that he used in his punches.

116-113 Margarito!

You do realise you dont get points for being punched in the head don't you :lol:

[DaHead242]

8 rounds to 4, 116-112 Paul "The Punisher" Williams.

[Morrissey]

I see this thread has gotten very few responses as most dont actually have a scorecard to post!
Typical of a fan to just post what the HBO retards feed them.

While some of you decide to take HBO's word that Williams was up 5-0 after 5 rounds at face value.
I saw and scored the fight round by round, and say different.

Heres my complete scorecard......
Rounds 3,4,6,7,8,10 and 11 for Margarito.
Rounds 2,5,9,and 12 for Williams
Round 1 I had even.

7-4-1, which means 116-113 in favor of Antonio Margarito.

I thought what Margarito said post fight was 100% correct.
While Williams threw loads of punches, the great majority of them were picked off by Margarito's gloves, arms and elbows.

Margarito picking off Williams shots was'nt anything that Margarito did that was subtle. It was'nt hard to spot, Margarito was visibly and clearly picking off Williams shot at the pass.

In turn, Margarito's work to WIlliams body went un-noticed by the retards at HBO.

Margarito may have thrown less, but he clearly imo landed the harder, cleaner, and more effective blows.

It was a good contest, but I'm one that does'nt reward fighters like Paul Williams that do very little significant punching.
He was flicking and slapping more than he was punching.

As for Margarito, its a pity that judges often times dont reward body punching. Margarito because Williams was in constant retreat, did his best work to the body.

HBO gave alot of credit to Williams for his jab and volume and punches, but for someone who was supposed to have landed a significant amount more than Margarito, you look at Margarito's face and you could'nt tell he was in a fight.

It was a close fight with alot of close rounds, but I feel Margarito was disrespected by the judges for the champion that he is.
There is absolutely no way that Williams took the title from the champion. Not by running away, and not by the authority (or lack of) that he used in his punches.

116-113 Margarito!

Though I had Williams winning by atmost 2 rounds, I had no problem seeing your scorecard.

That round 12 was critical for Margarito. COuld have been his saver.

[huki]

I scored it 8-4 Williams. If Margarito tried harder and won the final round, I wouldn't be very pissed off at seeing him get the decision, but he didn't. Divac is an idiot and he posts some of the biggest bullshit on here, don't ever read anything he writes.

[Chert]

it was a good decision. i had it 7-5 for williams. but 8-4 is also acceptable.

[BxN]

7-5 Williams.

close fight.

[Cerberus]

116-113 Margarito?!?!?!

Some of these scores are ridiculous. The 3 judges could've been Margarito's mom, dad, and wife for all it matters... Paul still gets the UD

[RafaelGonzal]

7 to 5 for williams I had Margo needing th e 12th for a draw and he lost so that was it for me

[PH|LLA]

Divac, you scored the first round a draw and gave the second to Margarito, I'm convinced you were drunk watching this fight.
you must be drunk right now because he clearly said he gave the 2nd to Williams

[Chert]

currently, it's about 23-2 for williams among ESB members.

[El Bombasto]

I scored it a draw. I gave rounds to Margo based on more effective punching, but I can see how many would give most rounds to Williams based on his output (though it was not necessarily effective). However, if people who scored the fight a blowout for Williams based on the number of punches he threw are consistent with that reasoning, they would have to favor Williams against anyone he fights; as they will not be able to match his workrate.

[Rumsfeld]

I had it either 117-111 or 116-112. I was pretty drunk by the end of the fight, but I remember being surprised that two judges had given Margo 5 rounds. That's not the fight I recall watching, but I'll give it another look.

[Toopretty]

You all are a bunch of dillusional assholes. You said margarito was blocking punches rounds 1-5. I didnt see that. I seen punches getting right through his pathetic guard and I seen him geti

[KO byBRIGGS]

Williams won there was no robery 7 rounds to 5 Margo needed the 12th for a draw but he was out of gas and couldnt pull it out.

[Toopretty]

I scored it a draw. I gave rounds to Margo based on more effective punching, but I can see how many would give most rounds to Williams based on his output (though it was not necessarily effective). However, if people who scored the fight a blowout for Williams based on the number of punches he threw are consistent with that reasoning, they would have to favor Williams against anyone he fights; as they will not be able to match his workrate.

If his punches were effective williams would of not been the stronger fighter in round 12 and he would of got a knockdown at least. Paul beat margaritos ass. he tagged him head and body and Margarito only partially blocked some of the shots he got tagged every time he opened up to punch most of the time twice. So he got beat to the punch all fight...all fight....Fuck this, this aint even a debate. Its who is left in the welter mix. Margarito cannot box. He just threw wild haymakers. That dont win a fight and especially when you are getting punched all round every round.

[Silver]

There are two things that I saw that caught my eye during the first 6 rounds while HBO was pointing to a shutout.......

One Williams was'nt punching with any authority.......and two, Margarito was picking off the great majority of Williams's punches.

In essence, Williams moving his hands imo created the illusion to many that he was being more effective.
....but from my perspective, their was a reason why Williams did'nt put more mustard on his shots in a more consistent basis.
......when you put mustard on a shot, you leave yourself vulnerable.....obviously, Williams felt Margarito's power enough to not open up with power......and since Williams did'nt open up much with power and still got alot of his shots blocked even without offering much power.....
I dont see where anybody can say he was clearly more effective than Margarito, even in the first 6 rounds where on my scorecard it was a dead heat through six.whats your point? is doesnt matter how hard or weak your shots are if the other is simply not throwing or landing alot. it took several for margo to hit williams with great regularity. therefore he lost alot if early rds. its sounds like your a biased margo fan but to each their own.

[El Bombasto]

If his punches were effective williams would of not been the stronger fighter in round 12 and he would of got a knockdown at least. Paul beat margaritos ass. he tagged him head and body and Margarito only partially blocked some of the shots he got tagged every time he opened up to punch most of the time twice. So he got beat to the punch all fight...all fight....Fuck this, this aint even a debate. Its who is left in the welter mix. Margarito cannot box. He just threw wild haymakers. That dont win a fight and especially when you are getting punched all round every round.

Your logic is flawless

[Doc BNB]

8-4 Williams, or 116-112 in conventional scoring.
Margarito rounds = 7,8,10,11 on my card.

If Margarito wanted to guarantee that he was getting credit for his harder shots, then he should've stayed in Williams chest and dug, like he did in those four rounds. For a man that wasn't hurt at all, he certainly seemed content letting himself be pittypat at an uncomfortable distance for his offense to work with a decrease in retalliation until the 6th round. That makes no sense to me. Walk this "weak punching" man down who's giving you distance and do it from the start. As if he had no energy to do so in the first half of the fight. Either Williams' punches had more of an effect than some were giving him credit for early on (because for some reason people UNANIMOUSLY gave him credit in the 12th???) or Margarito is an idiot for not giving his true effort to an early deficit.

[DaHead242]

8-4 Williams, or 116-112 in conventional scoring.
Margarito rounds = 7,8,11,12 on my card.

you gave Margo the 12th??? he did nothing that round. Paul controlled the distance that round and won it easy.

[Doc BNB]

you gave Margo the 12th??? he did nothing that round. Paul controlled the distance that round and won it easy.

DAMN!

Corrected via edit: 7,8,10,11
:oops:
Thank you. That's a huge typo on my part.

[divac]

Though I had Williams winning by atmost 2 rounds, I had no problem seeing your scorecard.

That round 12 was critical for Margarito. COuld have been his saver.

Thankyou Morrissey.

I feel the same way about the 12th round that you do.

A couple of the previous rounds I scored for Margarito because I value hard punching and aggression more than I do just plain punches landed, could have just as easily gone to Williams without claiming Margarito was robbed from those rounds.
Thats why I did'nt have a real problem with the two judges that scored 115-113 (although I disagreed)

Margarito really expended alot of energy in that 11th round where he was visibly trying to take out Williams.

Had Margarito eased up just a bit after that 11th round was already in the bag, he may have had enough juice to have fought a better 12th than he did.

No doubt about it, the 12th turned out to be the differece maker, and the judges rightfully gave that 12th to Williams.

[divac]

whats your point? is doesnt matter how hard or weak your shots are if the other is simply not throwing or landing alot. it took several for margo to hit williams with great regularity. therefore he lost alot if early rds. its sounds like your a biased margo fan but to each their own.

I dont know about you, but I value hard punching to the body, which Margarito landed quite frequently throughout the fight, and starting from the very first round.

It's a pity that alot of judges dont pay enough attention to body shots.

[smokey]

I scored right with Merchant, but I do think that the HBO guys were underplaying what Margo was doing in the fight. It seemed like they made up their minds in round 1 that he was going to lose. He was administering a beating in the later rounds, and all I heard was how it didn't matter what he did, because Williams was still shooting the jab... even as Lederman was scoring rounds for Margo.. and STILL trashing him.

The commentating was not good with the exception of Merchant, who seemed pretty unbiased. I don't think Margo won, but he wasn't blown out or outclassed by any stretch of the imagination. The fight competative.

[divac]

I scored right with Merchant, but I do think that the HBO guys were underplaying what Margo was doing in the fight. It seemed like they made up their minds in round 1 that he was going to lose. He was administering a beating in the later rounds, and all I heard was how it didn't matter what he did, because Williams was still shooting the jab... even as Lederman was scoring rounds for Margo.. and STILL trashing him.

The commentating was not good with the exception of Merchant, who seemed pretty unbiased. I don't think Margo won, but he wasn't blown out or outclassed by any stretch of the imagination. The fight competative.

Its become a ritual and habit for HBO to make up their minds about a fighter, or how a fight is going to unfold within the first minute of a fight.

I kid you not....I'm not exaggerating. In the Gatti-Gomez fight, not 10 seconds had gone by in the 1st round, and Emmanuel Steward had already noted that Arturo Gatti did'nt look like a shot fighter!:lol:

....can they at least let 1st round end before they make a bonehead statement like that in judging from the first 10 seconds of a fight???:huh

[smokey]

Its become a ritual and habit for HBO to make up their minds about a fighter, or how a fight is going to unfold within the first minute of a fight.

I kid you not....I'm not exaggerating. In the Gatti-Gomez fight, not 10 seconds had gone by in the 1st round, and Emmanuel Steward had already noted that Arturo Gatti did'nt look like a shot fighter!:lol:

....can they at least let 1st round end before they make a bonehead statement like that in judging from the first 10 seconds of a fight???:huh
I think Manny was still on a high after spotting and calling how crappy Castillo looked in the first seconds of that fight. Sometimes you can see something and sometimes you can't. Seriously, with Margo's history of taking the first round or 3 to measure his opponent, how could they make any claim about the fighter in the first round? I was just suprised at how he judged Margo to be slower than normal before he had really thrown much. I noted his defense was actually looking fairly good in those first rounds against everything but the jab.

[chliJs]

115 - 113 williams