As a PBF fan I would love to see a P.Williams fight

[Ring Master]

I really like this match up for Floyd.

PW would come after PBF and throw all those punches and leave all those counters available. I don't think PW can hurt PBF, and he wouldn't land enough punches to accumilate any damage.
PBF is 5'8 with a 72' reach he has long arms for his height, Cotto who is listed at 5'7 has a 67' reach and Margo who is 5'11 has a 73' reach.
PBF with his reach, superior hand, foot and reflex speed would not have a problem touching PW on the chin.

I think PBF could possibily shine against PW b/c of his amateurish style of throwing punches he doesn't generate enough power to really bother Mayweather and Williams would be open to silly counters from Mayweather.

I could easily see Floyd standing in-pocket against the average power punching of Williams with his shoulder roll Defense. Margo is slow and he was able to pick off a lot of Paul punches b/c he is so long you see them coming a mile away. Floyd with his speed, movement and great counter punching ability imo would be really be able to work those pull counters and punch paul silly.

[audio101]

Floyd will avoid him of course, so no need to even bother thinking about it. : (

[J_Roth]

I'll make a bet with you if this fight comes off then. I think PBF is very talented. I just think this fight is wrong for him. PBF is human after all.

[Fedor Em]

I think Williams with his size and reach is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd. In fact I think Williams has a better chance at beating PBF than Mosley does. Of course PBF will not take this fight yet though. Williams is not a big enough name.

[Ring Master]

true but williams has the reach to keep tiny boy floyd out of distance. and that jab will be coming so consistent....jab jab jab body shot body shot, move...make floyd fight williams fight. floyd will have to get on the inside somehow theres no way he's entering the 82 inch reach of pual punian.

Floyd has the same reach as margo with faster hands and faster foot speed. And Margo was able to land. PBF also has the better foot work to help him get inside.

[Ring Master]

I'll make a bet with you if this fight comes off then. I think PBF is very talented. I just think this fight is wrong for him. PBF is human after all.

I'll take that bet.

No one is saying he is not human. matter of fact Cintron probably has the better style and power to clip PBF.

Williams would not be able to get away with that amateurish style against PBF as he did against the slow wide slugging margo.

Williams is huge no doubt but PBF is to polished for him at this point imo.

[IntentionalButt]

This would be very cool.

[deram]

Williams would have the physical advantages, but he is too unpolished right now. Maybe at some later point with a lot of training he could find the skills to add to his physical advantages. He would need probably 70% of Floyd's skills to be at even odds. Right now Williams is at 90% of Margo's skills which isn't enough to beat Floyd nor imo. Get more skilled and Williams has all the chances in the world.

[J_Roth]

I'll take that bet.

No one is saying he is not human. matter of fact Cintron probably has the better style and power to clip PBF.

Williams would not be able to get away with that amateurish style against PBF as he did against the slow wide slugging margo.

Williams is huge no doubt but PBF is to polished for him at this point imo.Agreed. PBF certainly has the skill and experience. I just think Williams might be able to pull it out. Tough fight little reward for PBF at this point.

[Ring Master]

Williams would have the physical advantages, but he is too unpolished right now. Maybe at some later point with a lot of training he could find the skills to add to his physical advantages. He would need probably 70% of Floyd's skills to be at even odds. Right now Williams is at 90% of Margo's skills which isn't enough to beat Floyd nor imo. Get more skilled and Williams has all the chances in the world.

That's what I'm saying. plus give Floyd a training camp working with those tall lanky guys and he will be prepared for the distance.

[Pimp C]

I really like this match up for Floyd.

PW would come after PBF and throw all those punches and leave all those counters available. I don't think PW can hurt PBF, and he wouldn't land enough punches to accumilate any damage.
PBF is 5'8 with a 72' reach he has long arms for his height, Cotto who is listed at 5'7 has a 67' reach and Margo who is 5'11 has a 73' reach.
PBF with his reach, superior hand, foot and reflex speed would not have a problem touching PW on the chin.

I think PBF could possibily shine against PW b/c of his amateurish style of throwing punches he doesn't generate enough power to really bother Mayweather and Williams would be open to silly counters from Mayweather.

I could easily see Floyd standing in-pocket against the average power punching of Williams with his shoulder roll Defense. Margo is slow and he was able to pick off a lot of Paul punches b/c he is so long you see them coming a mile away. Floyd with his speed, movement and great counter punching ability imo would be really be able to work those pull counters and punch paul silly.
I agree unless Williams learns how to fight tall he can't beat someone like PBF. He needs to work on his jab and defense then he might give beat PBF.

[Ring Master]

Agreed. PBF certainly has the skill and experience. I just think Williams might be able to pull it out. Tough fight little reward for PBF at this point.

while it is a tought fight i think it brings great rewards for his legacy and standing point of people who say he avoids challenges.

i think if he gets williams the sooner the better.

On a side note I think Cintron knocks williams out. what do you think?

[J_Roth]

while it is a tought fight i think it brings great rewards for his legacy and standing point of people who say he avoids challenges.

i think if he gets williams the sooner the better.

On a side note I think Cintron knocks williams out. what do you think?Tough to say. Cintron certainly has better tech. than Margo does. Better power too I'm sure. I would take Cintron by late tko.

[rodadus]

I thought Pw is 6'1"

[IntentionalButt]

I thought Pw is 6'1"

He is. People like to exaggerate.

[Ring Master]

If margo is 5'11 paul is 6'2

[IntentionalButt]

If margo is 5'11 paul is 6'2
No, he just has a really columnlike posture. I believe 6'1

[Mundo]

you fuckin people are dilusional. theres no way PBF beats williams even now. I just dont fuckin see it. paul williams is too tall. and causes way too many problems for him. thus the reason he wont even fight him.

[Ring Master]

No, he just has a really columnlike posture. I believe 6'1

or maybe margo isn't 5'11, Williams was clearly more then 2 inches taller then margo imo.

[Ring Master]

you fuckin people are dilusional. theres no way PBF beats williams even now. I just dont fuckin see it. paul williams is too tall. and causes way too many problems for him. thus the reason he wont even fight him.

how am i delusional if i explained why i think this would work from a strategic stand point. and your reasoning is " I just don't fucking see it"

[Pimp C]

you fuckin people are dilusional. theres no way PBF beats williams even now. I just dont fuckin see it. paul williams is too tall. and causes way too many problems for him. thus the reason he wont even fight him.
Typical.:-( Willaims beat a limted fighter in Margo. No way in hell is he reasdy for someone as good as PBF. PBF won't be easy to hit like Margo was and PBF will counter the shit out of Williams. Cotto and Mosley give PBF harder fights than Williams does.

[Mundo]

Typical.:-( Willaims beat a limted fighter in Margo. No way in hell is he reasdy for someone as good as PBF. PBF won't be easy to hit like Margo was and PBF will counter the shit out of Williams. Cotto and Mosley give PBF harder fights than Williams does.

Ill reply to your bitchass when I actually have time...:bart

[Club Fighter]

I'm a big PBF fan, but as I said way before the PW-Margo fight, PW is the only welter in the world who can enter the ring with PBF and come out with a victory.

[princedigital]

while it is a tought fight i think it brings great rewards for his legacy and standing point of people who say he avoids challenges.

i think if he gets williams the sooner the better.

On a side note I think Cintron knocks williams out. what do you think?

This fight will never happen lol, especially if he didn't fight Margo.

[Danny Ocean]

mayweather would beat williams

williams doesnt assert his authority on the outside like he doe
lets be honest about last night he missed a lot of jabs and straight punches and because margarito is so ordinary as not punished in the first 7rounds, only when p-wol started losing imo concentration by fighting on the inside did margarito look like winning rounds

against mayweather williams wouldnt box on the outside because with the amount of jabs hed miss he would be punished with overhand rights, mayweather couldnt hurt p-wol but he could frustrate and make williams look for a knockout with 1 punch which wouldnt happen

he doesnt hit hard but his size is defo intimadating, when he fights big

[Club Fighter]

while it is a tought fight i think it brings great rewards for his legacy and standing point of people who say he avoids challenges.

i think if he gets williams the sooner the better.

On a side note I think Cintron knocks williams out. what do you think?

Cintron does no such thing to Williams. Cintron only looked invincible last night because of his opponent. Not trying to take anything away from him, but I doubt he'll fare as well against other challenges.

[IntentionalButt]

or maybe margo isn't 5'11, Williams was clearly more then 2 inches taller then margo imo.

That could be it. Standing next to the ref and the ring entourages and everything else, Paul didn't seem to be more than an inch over six (which I am, to use as a reference). Unless everybody around him was freakishly short. Marg's probably an inch shorter than listed.

[Ring Master]

Cintron does no such thing to Williams. Cintron only looked invincible last night because of his opponent. Not trying to take anything away from him, but I doubt he'll fare as well against other challenges.

Matheysse was able to stun Williams with his power and made PW freeze up numerous times. Williams can't kayo Cintron but i believe Cintron can Kayo Williams.

[Imperial1]

Mayweather would school Williams ,school him !

[brooklyn1550]

He could outwork PBF

[Doc BNB]

I doubt Willams vs. Mayweather would depend ony any improvement on the Punisher's part. I doubt Williams is going to be adding any "skills" to his arsenal.

The man throws more punches than any welterweight. He does not generate outstanding power in any single punch but he does VARY the power that he has. That's something that I don't think any other welterweight has truly mastered aside from Mayweather and maybe Cotto (but Cotto seems to throw the same intensity all night, so I'm not so sure of him).

Williams probably won't imporve his defense any more than what it is now, which is to remain tall and move at angles. Even when he holds, he is able to loop some incredibly strange uppercuts so it's not as defensive as it seems. His habit of turning with punches saved him enough against Margarito, but as he ages it will become a liability instead of an asset.

He is tall, active and variable; no matter what we may conceive in our heads as a "polished" fighter, that is what he is right now. He utilizes all of the strengths of his frame, while minimizing the weaknesses.

Having said all that, I think Mayweather knows how to deal with height; he absolutely thrashed Corrales who was of similar dimensions (Williams appears to have a better beard and less relative power). The problem will be that jab, which Mayweather has shown he will eat all night as long as he gets counters off of the other punches thrown, and there would be plenty of that from Williams. Honestly, I'd be backing Williams 100% in that fight, but I'd still call him a 60/40 or 65/35 underdog.

[Club Fighter]

Matheysse was able to stun Williams with his power and made PW freeze up numerous times. Williams can't kayo Cintron but i believe Cintron can Kayo Williams.

Dude, you know you can't go by these things. Cuz Williams beat Margo who beat Cintron if you wanna make those kind of comparisons. Styles make fights and Williams style presents major problems for anybody in the WW division.

[Ring Master]

Dude, you know you can't go by these things. Cuz Williams beat Margo who beat Cintron if you wanna make those kind of comparisons. Styles make fights and Williams style presents major problems for anybody in the WW division.

nobody is talking about winning fights.

what I'm saying is that if Walter's power was enough to hurt williams that Cintron who is a heavier puncher will be able to hurt williams.

[China_hand_Joe]

To beat Floyd, Williams would need to throws an inhuman number of punches.
Williams could win a one round fight against any WW (simply through throwing an almost imperable wall of punches with his long arms) but over 12 rounds there are a couple who would beat him.

[Ring Master]

To beat Floyd, Williams would need to throws an inhuman number of punches.
Williams could win a one round fight against any WW (simply through throwing an almost imperable wall of punches with his long arms) but over 12 rounds there are a couple who would beat him.

do you think floyd is one of them?

[Ring Master]

I doubt Willams vs. Mayweather would depend ony any improvement on the Punisher's part. I doubt Williams is going to be adding any "skills" to his arsenal.

The man throws more punches than any welterweight. He does not generate outstanding power in any single punch but he does VARY the power that he has. That's something that I don't think any other welterweight has truly mastered aside from Mayweather and maybe Cotto (but Cotto seems to throw the same intensity all night, so I'm not so sure of him).

Williams probably won't imporve his defense any more than what it is now, which is to remain tall and move at angles. Even when he holds, he is able to loop some incredibly strange uppercuts so it's not as defensive as it seems. His habit of turning with punches saved him enough against Margarito, but as he ages it will become a liability instead of an asset.

He is tall, active and variable; no matter what we may conceive in our heads as a "polished" fighter, that is what he is right now. He utilizes all of the strengths of his frame, while minimizing the weaknesses.

Having said all that, I think Mayweather knows how to deal with height; he absolutely thrashed Corrales who was of similar dimensions (Williams appears to have a better beard and less relative power). The problem will be that jab, which Mayweather has shown he will eat all night as long as he gets counters off of the other punches thrown, and there would be plenty of that from Williams. Honestly, I'd be backing Williams 100% in that fight, but I'd still call him a 60/40 or 65/35 underdog.

:good good insight

[Alo2006]

Williams is not ready for Floyd.

[samita]

dont want to see it, its so obvious that mayweather will decision williams. floyd should fight shane.

[Ring Master]

dont want to see it, its so obvious that mayweather will decision williams. floyd should fight shane.

Why is it so obvious to you?

[twenty1]

I really like this match up for Floyd.

PW would come after PBF and throw all those punches and leave all those counters available. I don't think PW can hurt PBF, and he wouldn't land enough punches to accumilate any damage.
PBF is 5'8 with a 72' reach he has long arms for his height, Cotto who is listed at 5'7 has a 67' reach and Margo who is 5'11 has a 73' reach.
PBF with his reach, superior hand, foot and reflex speed would not have a problem touching PW on the chin.

I think PBF could possibily shine against PW b/c of his amateurish style of throwing punches he doesn't generate enough power to really bother Mayweather and Williams would be open to silly counters from Mayweather.

I could easily see Floyd standing in-pocket against the average power punching of Williams with his shoulder roll Defense. Margo is slow and he was able to pick off a lot of Paul punches b/c he is so long you see them coming a mile away. Floyd with his speed, movement and great counter punching ability imo would be really be able to work those pull counters and punch paul silly.



U see Paul Williams fight one time and win...and u want a fight with PBF???....ya'll posters on here are wack...

lets box I want to knock some asses out**********

[SweetScienceFan]

I like Floyd, he is a great boxer. This match-up is all wrong for him. If I was his manager I wouldn't even think about this fight. Williams is 5-6 inches taller than Floyd, with an arm length advantage that would be ridiculous. Paul's reach is 82". We are talking about a 10 inch reach advantage on top of that half of a foot height advantage. That, and given the style of Williams and Mayweather, I just don't see how Mayweather could be very effective against him.

He wouldn't be open for all sorts of counters, because he height and reach would leave him out of range after his punches anyways. Let alone, Williams himself moves very well, takes a good punch, and has very good handspeed.

[China_hand_Joe]

do you think floyd is one of them?I don't think I'd have a problem picking Floyd to win

[Ring Master]

U see Paul Williams fight one time and win...and u want a fight with PBF???....ya'll posters on here are wack...

lets box I want to knock some asses out**********

one time?:lol:

i seen him twice on shobox(once against terence cauthen and i can't remember the other)

mathyesse
mitchell
Santos
margarito

clown ass posters need to get they facts straight before they start talking shit.

[Ring Master]

I like Floyd, he is a great boxer. This match-up is all wrong for him. If I was his manager I wouldn't even think about this fight. Williams is 5-6 inches taller than Floyd, with an arm length advantage that would be ridiculous. Paul's reach is 82". We are talking about a 10 inch reach advantage on top of that half of a foot height advantage. That, and given the style of Williams and Mayweather, I just don't see how Mayweather could be very effective against him.

He wouldn't be open for all sorts of counters, because he height and reach would leave him out of range after his punches anyways. Let alone, Williams himself moves very well, takes a good punch, and has very good handspeed.

mayweather reach is 72', 1 inch shorter then margo's. PW falls over and into his punches, he has horrible balance b/c of his lankiness. he does not use his height well at all so he would be open to counters. He has horrible foot work and his hand speed ain't shit if slow ass Margo is blocking his shots. he missed 900 punches or some dunb shit like that agaisnt margo for christ sakes and all of a sudden he is gonna be able to break down the best defensive fighter in the world.

It will take more then just activity to beat PBF, you need timing, power and defense ala Vernon Forrest when he beat Shane mosley. I really think that is the blue print.

[Bazooka]

One of the trainers at Wildcard has always told me, that the man who will be able to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr is going to have to be a volume puncher and a south paw, Perhaps he seen something in Paul a while ago especially when you consider that same man was working in Pauls corner that night, "IRISH" Macka Foley.

[Ring Master]

One of the trainers at Wildcard has always told me, that the man who will be able to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr is going to have to be a volume puncher and a south paw, Perhaps he seen something in Paul a while ago especially when you consider that same man was working in Pauls corner that night, "IRISH" Macka Foley.

hey was up man, no disrespect but wtf is up with your ava?

[Bazooka]

hey was up man, no disrespect but wtf is up with your ava?

Lost a bet to Dennis:good

[Bazooka]

hey was up man, no disrespect but wtf is up with your ava?

The real question is why are you hitting up a man with a Bambi avatar anyways? please tell me you didnt see it and get your hopes up:gayfight ......................just fuckin with ya:good

[Ring Master]

Lost a bet to Dennis:good

shit that sucks.

[Ring Master]

The real question is why are you hitting up a man with a Bambi avatar anyways? please tell me you didnt see it and get your hopes up:gayfight ......................just fuckin with ya:good

no it's b/c the FBI is looking for a pedo online who uses a bambi ava to lure kids to him, i though it might be you.

[Bazooka]

no it's b/c the FBI is looking for a pedo online who uses a bambi ava to lure kids to him, i though it might be you.

:rofl :rofl :rofl You want to know the man who fits that description? take a look at PunchPringle I swear no disrespect to him but he just fits it to the T,:deal [Only registered and activated users can see links]

[Ring Master]

:rofl :rofl :rofl You want to know the man who fits that description? take a look at PunchPringle I swear no disrespect to him but he just fits it to the T,:deal [Only registered and activated users can see links]

:lol: :lol: :lol: i'm joking my dude.

i can't view YOUTUBE at the work place but i'll check it out later at the crib.

be easy.

[Lampley]

I agree with the poster who would make Floyd a 60/40 favorite, although I might amend that to 55/45 or somewhere inbetween.

Williams would two built-in advantages for getting a decision: 1) far more punches thrown and 2) far more aggression.

Now, of course the question is whether he could on Floyd without getting tagged to death, and I think he could. If Williams will focus on his jab and keep some distance, which he did at times very effectively against Margarito, he can put Floyd in great difficulty.

While Floyd is moving backward and generally being elusive, Williams can flick a light but fairly quick jab without putting himself in range for counters. Williams begins to stagger and flail when he throws his left, but sticking with the jab, he's OK. For Floyd to slip and counter all those jabs, he will have travel a much greater distance than usual, putting him at risk to be hit on the way in and on the way out.

And with Williams carrying the action of the fight, Floyd will have to take some chances to land decent punches and to win the rounds. This makes him an easier target for Williams, who we know will never stop throwing.

I think the key is that Williams' defining attributes -- continuous, volume, long punching -- are major assets against Mayweather, where they'd be a huge weakness against Cotto. Floyd excels fighting guys who need to size up their shots, which includes even aggressive fighters like Baldomir.

By contrast, Williams is not discouraged by contact, and he doesn't seem to care from what angles he throws, only that he keeps throwing. Counterpunchers like Floyd thrive against guys they can time, and Williams is such an octopus that Mayweather will not be able to pose, feint or hide behind his shoulder to size him up. Paul will be there throughout the fight to be hit, yes, but he'll be bringing so much heat that Floyd will have to fight a more frantic, spontaneous -- and thus more high-contact -- bout than he prefers.

Now, a slow fighter (e.g., Margarito) is going to get tagged by Floyd with impunity, simply because Floyd is a model of conditioning and will just keep poping the guy until he slows down. But Williams has at least pretty good speed, and his extraordinary reach makes him functionally faster, simply because Floyd will require great time to travel space in order to land and evade.

I still favor Floyd because Paul hasn't convinced me that he'll fight at range, instead lunging in with those long punches, thus making Floyd's job a lot easier.

But this would be a hell of a fascinating fight, and in my mind a superior challenge to Mosley and right up there with Cotto.

[Ring Master]

:rofl :rofl :rofl You want to know the man who fits that description? take a look at PunchPringle I swear no disrespect to him but he just fits it to the T,:deal [Only registered and activated users can see links]

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[Ring Master]

In light of P-dubs loss i just wanted to bump this and see what you guys think now that we have seen him against a slick boxer type...

[randeris]

now it's easy: Williams would be beaten.

[Ring Master]

now it's easy: Williams would be beaten.

Now it's easy...

[Drew101]

Now it's easy...

Think it's easier than Quintana, though? I mean, it seemed that part of PW's problem in the fight was that he was facing a fellow southpaw. No doubt, Quintana's movement and accuracy were factors, but those lefts were coming in at different angles than what Williams was used to.

Not saying that PBF doesn't win, I just wonder if Williams gives a reasonable account of himself in the fight, like he did against El Indio.

[rodney]

Paul "the most feared" Williams is now Paul "lead with your face" Williams.
He is no longer a big money ticket.

[albeziel]

Floyd doesn't need to hit too much Paul's face with the jab. Floyd will score some points by making him miss and going to the body, maybe a couple of jabs and then the fight will be over. Floyd wins.

[Sweet Pea]

This is why I don't like judging younger fighters when I haven't seen them against good enough competition or enough variety in styles. Williams showed vulnerabilities to Margarito, but I was more impressed with how he did in the early going, not fully taking into account the latter parts of the fight, being as I didn't see PBF implying a similar style.

Though now I think we not only know how limited Paul is, but Margarito as well. He(Williams) is very open to counters, and even with his long reach, can simply be beaten to the punch based on speed and accuracy. His punches are not difficult to avoid or parry either. Based on his fight with Quintana, it's clear I was way off on my original analysis of him and now I know why. Again, why I simply don't like making calls on younger fighters, and am usually skeptical. Will be even moreso now.

[albeziel]

Although Mayweather will say "who is Paul?"

[Lance_Uppercut]

Well, wince Williams lost, this might just happen now. Kidding...

[Lance_Uppercut]

Does the phrase, "Kill the body and the head will die" mean anything?

[untmike]

you fuckin people are dilusional. theres no way PBF beats williams even now. I just dont fuckin see it. paul williams is too tall. and causes way too many problems for him. thus the reason he wont even fight him.
Are you serious:patsch Quintana beat his ass and Floyd is an inch shorter than quintana and they have the same reach not to mention floyd is a better fighter than quintana. So please tell me why floyd wouldnt beat him because him being smaller than him sure isnt a legit reason