RJJ not in any shape to face top competition

[Stone_Roberto]

He still has power and accuracy and maybe even a chin. But he doesn't have the stamina or energy to throw enough leather to win dominant decisions or avoid being TKO'ed by top light heavyweights.

Had he pursued Hanshaw further he would have gotten the KO. But since he didn't put him away and I saw too many flashbacks to RJJ-Glen Johnson with Roy doing NOTHING or little on the ropes and making no attempt to get off them, I say one more with Tito and then retire forever.

[Shpion]

He still has power and accuracy and maybe even a chin. But he doesn't have the stamina or energy to throw enough leather to win dominant decisions or avoid being TKO'ed by top light heavyweights.

Had he pursued Hanshaw further he would have gotten the KO. But since he didn't put him away and I saw too many flashbacks to RJJ-Glen Johnson with Roy doing NOTHING or little on the ropes and making no attempt to get off them, I say one more with Tito and then retire forever.

"Maybe even chin":lol: :lol: Did he do a cosmetic surgery or something?

[paulfv]

PLEASE let his ego get big enough to fight B-Hop again. Please, boxing gods.

[Snakefist]

"Maybe even chin":lol: :lol: Did he do a cosmetic surgery or something?


He never had a bad chin..... The first fight with Tarver is an example of it and although John Ruiz is an annoying heavy wieght he does posess power in his right rands and jones ate them up, was only stunned by the first one.

[Fab2333]

I think RJ did rather well for what shape he came in. He fought well on the inside, and blocked most of Hanshaws shots, most of them weren really landing. I do agree that facing top opposition I dont kno about. B/c for Roy's style he does need his legs, and he doesnt seem to want to move around anymore. He showed that he stil has speed and power, but he's lackin in footspeed, and that is killing him. He cant move away from the ropes, opponents keep trapping him there. I dont kno RJ is my favorite fighter, but he wasnt impressive as i thought he was going to be. All though i thought he did well, when faced wit the pressure

[divac]

Roy Jones is just another old fighter trying to hang on to past glory.

He's a shadow of himself now.....I'm not even a fan of his, but it wont bring me any happiness of satisfaction to see a fighter who was once brilliantly fast and powerful, get taken apart limb from limb and KTFO similar to what Glenn Johnson did to him.

Most point to his KO loss to Tarver to Jones slide and to what he has now become.
.....but I thought you could stick a fork in him in the first Tarver fight, where he could'nt even fight a half a round without going to the ropes, much less a full round.

Roy Jones Jr. is toast!:?

[bhwbj]

Roy has always been my favorite fighter to watch, but he's lost a LOT. For one, and this is the main thing, his legs are GONE. Jones moves around as if he's walking through quicksand. His quick feet and bouncy legs are COMPLETELY GONE! He still has fast hands, but he's got the footspeed of micky ward. Also, his stamina is nothing compared to what it used to be.

All Jones can do now is fight with his back to the ropes and try to work quick countershots on the inside. I hope Jones retires, but I see another BRUTAL loss in his future when he steps his comp up.

[divac]

Roy has always been my favorite fighter to watch, but he's lost a LOT. For one, and this is the main thing, his legs are GONE. Jones moves around as if he's walking through quicksand. His quick feet and bouncy legs are COMPLETELY GONE! He still has fast hands, but he's got the footspeed of micky ward. Also, his stamina is nothing compared to what it used to be.

All Jones can do now is fight with his back to the ropes and try to work quick countershots on the inside. I hope Jones retires, but I see another BRUTAL loss in his future when he steps his comp up.

Legs are the first thing that a fighter loses, so you're absolutely correct.

An aging fighter loses his ability to manuever and glide the ring as he once did.

Age takes it's toll on the legs the most, thats the one part of the body that carries you, and the wear and tear that it takes during the years takes it's damn toll.
This is coming from someone who's about to turn 40, I damn know!:twisted:

[Shake]

Jones has a good win now to retire with. Let's hope he apreciates that gift and accepts it without convulsion.

[rekcutnevets]

It has been just over a year and a half since Jones last faced Tarver, and the effects of that time are really showing. He has lost a lot since that fight. In the 3rd Tarver fight, Jones didn't look shot physically, he looked shot mentally. I really thought he was going the take tarver out when he took control of the middle rounds of that fight. Then Jones just stopped fighting.

Last night, Jones showed hand speed. That was about it. He still lets his opponent back him to ropes with out much problem. I will say he did fight off the ropes better than any of his past several outings, but I really don't know how good Hanshaw is.

Jones can't win by being simply a great athlete anymore. Well, he did last night, but I don't see him going far at this stage.

If he were willing to learn to fight like an older man, then maybe he could still do something. I just have a hard time picturing him doing that.

His ego is still in place. I like how he claimed he didn't knock Hanshaw out because he needed rounds. It was in the 11th that he dropped him. I guess he needed the extra 3 minutes to lose a little rust. He also kept teaching Hanshaw his lessons. That was the other reason he gave for not finishing him. He said he wanted to help him, by letting him learn against him in the ring.

I still have to say that I thought Jones still looked very much like a threat in the division when he lost to Tarver in their 3rd fight. Last night he looked the least threatening I have ever seen him, and that was in a victorious performance.

[Beatboxer]

And certain nut swingers were saying he could beat JC :rofl

[dwilson]

Rjj could stiil do a number at light heavey if he fights with intelligance and not bravado. Henshaw was decent opposition and there is not too much going on at the weight. He should retire though.

[Danny Ocean]

jones would never ever ever ever ever ever make 168 or anythin close to that to fight trinidad

[young griffo]

He's not close to what he was but he still shows flashes of what he was.
Roy's (effective) handspeed is still second to none as shown by the lightning fast straight left-uppercut combo which preceeded the knockdown tonight.
Plenty of so-called quick handed fighters throw fast volleys of punches which look great but miss or land on gloves but Roy still can land his shots flush and clean.
Whilst he still has this he can still trouble quite a few fighters out there but against the best guys well....let's just say he'd still bother Hopkins but I don't necessarily want to see it happen.

[CUFreeze]

No Roy is definitely not what he used to be but no one is at 38. Roy showed a lot last night. He would have dominated that kid but the legs are just not there like they used to be. he was always prone to getting caught on the ropes but he usually got off of them most of the time. nowdays he stays on the ropes. when he is in the middle of the ring though i think he could fight anyone out there today.

[BlueApollo]

PLEASE let his ego get big enough to fight B-Hop again. Please, boxing gods.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Nah, I actually like Roy enough that I hope it doesn't happen.

[aliwasthegreatest]

anyone have this fight available for download as i was busy watching the williams fight?

[CUFreeze]

:rofl:rofl:rofl

Nah, I actually like Roy enough that I hope it doesn't happen.

BHop isn't knocking anyone out at this point. I think Roy would win this fight just like the first time. :yep

[Malph]

I had never seen Hanshaw fight before. Watching him, he just did not seem like a very powerful puncher. Roy was there to be hit to the body many time. Hanshaw was able to take advantage of that in spots, but I think we was'nt powerful enough to make those shots really count. Hanshaw was very game, and that made the fight. If he had just a little more pop the fight would have been much more challenging for RJJ.

[aliwasthegreatest]

so noone has clips or anything for download:(

[Imperial1]

Other than Chad Dawson who really gives Jones trouble at 175 ?

[BOXINGFAN]

No Roy is definitely not what he used to be but no one is at 38. Roy showed a lot last night. He would have dominated that kid but the legs are just not there like they used to be. he was always prone to getting caught on the ropes but he usually got off of them most of the time. nowdays he stays on the ropes. when he is in the middle of the ring though i think he could fight anyone out there today.

Exactly. Hes not what he once was, but of course he isn't. LOL. Hes 38 years old! But hes still pretty good due to his handspeed and experience.

[BOXINGFAN]

I still have to say that I thought Jones still looked very much like a threat in the division when he lost to Tarver in their 3rd fight. Last night he looked the least threatening I have ever seen him, and that was in a victorious performance.

So he looked like more of a threat no throwing punches and almost getting KOed? I'm sorry I don't get that. In this fight he was fighting off the ropes, nailing his opponent with right hands. I thought Roy looked the best hes looked since Ruiz. I know Roy isn't what he use to be but hes still got some of his old magic.

[Imperial1]

Roy vs Hopkin is the logical fight ..But if Tito does intend on fighting I can't wait ..Jones can still compete with plenty of lt heavies its not like their is one dominant force there .

[rekcutnevets]

BOXINGFAN, go back and watch the middle rounds of the 3rd Tarver vs. Jones fight. You will see what I mean. He was throwing punches, and looked like he was going to take that fight over. More importantly, he looked like he had a better set of legs underneath him that night. He looked like more of an athlete that night than he did last night. He was still trying to fight like an athlete last night, and that is his problem. He still wants to fight like he did several years ago, and it looks as though his body
won't allow him to.

If Hanshaw is the best that is coming for him, then fine. Jones did a great job fighting off the ropes, and showed how he can deal with a physically strong fighter with awsome fire power. If he can handle that top notch Hanshaw assault, then everyone else is in trouble.

Now if Hanshaw is not a top tier fighter, if he is only B level, and any fighter with an A game can beat him; Jones may be in trouble when he steps up in class.

I don't think he looked like a shot fighter, but he looks like a fighter who's skill set has not evolved with the loss of some of his attributes. He is headed for something that looks like Michael Jordan missing a wide open dunk in an all star game. Maybe putting his hands behind his back, and falling when he misses his kock out shot. Or worse yeat, putting his hands behind his back and getting knocked out before he throws it.

[bhwbj]

BOXINGFAN, go back and watch the middle rounds of the 3rd Tarver vs. Jones fight. You will see what I mean. He was throwing punches, and looked like he was going to take that fight over.
And thats when Tarver decided to back off of Jones( who was doing some good work ONLY OFF OF THE ROPES ). Once in the center of the ring, Jones had trouble doing anything. He was reaching for punches AND MISSING THEM because his punching technique requires him to quickly leap in with his punches. HIS LEGS WERE NOW SLOW AND HIS FEET WERE FLAT, thus he couldn't land those type of punches anymore. This is why he now prefers to fight on the ropes( on the inside ) where he's already in range to throw his fast singles. The days of Jones dominating the center of the ring( leaping in and out of danger with lightning potshots ) are sadly gone........sad because that was some fun stuff to watch

We can hope all we want, but I'd rather not see Jones get starched by another fighter that he would have clowned in his prime. Without his legs, he's going to be easy pickings for the top guys at 175( Johnson, Tarver, Hops, and MORE )

[Imperial1]

We can hope all we want, but I'd rather not see Jones get starched by another fighter that he would have clowned in his prime. Without his legs, he's going to be easy pickings for the top guys at 175( Johnson, Tarver, Hops, and MORE )

W/out his legs ?Hmm he just won by UD ...How can he do that w/no legs ?


And easy pickens for Hopkins ??Um this ain't Tito ..

Tarver well he will always give Jones fits but Johnson he just recently lost to Woods I highly doubt he will startch Jones a 2nd time ..

[bhwbj]

I disagree, I think a prime Jones with quick legs and stamina would have been able to break Tarver down and showboat.

How can he win a UD without legs you ask? LOL Go watch some old Jones tapes if you are trying to say his legs are the same as always. He won this fight because Henshaw wasn't a top tier fighter. Yes hopkins would beat a slowfooted Jones.....absolutely

[bhwbj]

Hopkins would keep the fight in the center of the ring, and counter off of Jones' reaching punches( reaching because he can no longer lunge in with his punches in a fast/effective way ). Hopkins could finally get Jones' name on his resume, and I don't want to see it at this point.

[Imperial1]

Hopkins would keep the fight in the center of the ring, and counter off of Jones' reaching punches( reaching because he can no longer lunge in with his punches in a fast/effective way ). Hopkins could finally get Jones' name on his resume, and I don't want to see it at this point.

If the fight stays at the center of the ring I favor Jones based on hand speed alone ..Its still better that Hopkins even at this stage ..I'm not sold that Hopkins is beating Jones to the punch ..

[bhwbj]

I hear ya, but what I am saying is Jones used his handspeed AND legspeed to land punches in the center of the ring. He looked awkward trying to throw punches in the middle of the ring last night. He was reaching and coming up short....Hopkins will be able to beat Jones to the punch because hopkins has a much better jab. Jones doesn't use a jab and doesn't have the legs to leap in with powerful potshots anymore. In the center of the ring, Jones' handspeed speed can now be negated by a good jab( which Hopkins will have )

Hopkins has better reach and will gain a scoring advantage when Jones covers up on the ropes. WHen jones decides to counter off of the ropes, hopkins will just back off ...rinse and repeat

[achillesthegreat]

Roy has been old for a while now. Tarver I was masked by him being so weight drained. Tarver II he was past his prime but still had something to give but then was sparked. Johnson onwards he was done.

Jones is human and can be put on the ropes but more or less anyone can do it now. Hell, guys like Johnson and Hanshaw are outspeeding him. Pretty much everyone overwhelms him in the first round. He can't appear to keep anyone honest with his power. His stamina isn't what it once was and he has to pace himself.

I give him credit though. He paces himself, picks his shots better, goes to the body a bit more etc He is accepting he is old. Before the Hanshaw fight he talked about some of the shit he used to pull off in the ring, he can't do that anymore. Once he pulled that shit off v Hopkins and Toney, now he can barely do it v an Anthony Hanshaw.

I respect what RJJ has done, like Holyfield. It is the sort of thing Robinson and that did back in the day. They were past it, started losing but muster some wins over lower level contenders.

[Imperial1]

I want him to fight B-Hop, just to watch Hopkins brutalize his ass. That would such a great beating. Hopkin is killer when he has guys on the ropes, and he has a wicked right hand. Jones would get knocked out like a fucking sledhammer to a watermelon. Maybe then his Diva bitch Ego would finally dye. He is a shadow of his former slef, a pissed on by a drunk in an alleyway shadow. And he still has the audacity to say he wants challenges. Bullshit. That is why he hasnt called out anybody worth fighting. Tito Trinidad, who has had three fights in six years, hasnt fought in two, and was in his prime as a 147 welterweight. That is who he is calling ouut. Utterly pathetic

Wasn't Hopkins offered a 60/40 split by Jones where the winner gets 60 and the loser 40 ? What happened Hopkins looked at Winky a much smaller fighter ..I think you need to review the facts bfore you start pointing fingers at certrain fighters ...And Hopkins couldn't knock out a green Taylor but yet he will brutalize Jones ?? I hope they fight I think hopkins can avenge his loss to Jones but its not going to be easy by any means ..Jones still has a speed advanatage over Hopkins even now .. !