Only 3 of these 11 Boxing Writers had Paul Williams Winning -- Wow!!!!

[paulfv]

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Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: Margarito, 116-112
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: Draw, 114-114
Steve Springer, Los Angeles Times: Draw, 114-114
Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: Margarito, 115-113
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: Margarito, 115-113
Doug Fischer, MaxBoxing.com: Margarito, 115-113
Jerry Magee, San Diego Union-Tribune: Williams,
116-112
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: Williams,
115-113
Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: Williams,
115-113
David Avila, Riverside Press Enterprise: Draw, 114-114
Francisco Salazar, Fightnews.com: Draw, 114-114
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Ok, let's add those up:

Margo Win --- 4

Draw --------- 4

PW Win ------ 3

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Looks like I'm going to have this one again with the sound down, like I did with DLH-PBF. At first I scored it for PBF, but once I turned down the PBF cheerleading, I had it for DLH.

I guess these guys saw a little bit more at ringside than I saw on TV. Maybe they saw the fear in Williams' eyes or heard the power in Margo's shots.

Looks like the hoopla is just beginning.

[IntentionalButt]

Mayweather and Williams won clearly to any objective party, even a deaf one. The Mayweather fight was a little closer.

[Andrey]

I saw 117-111 Williams win.

VERY VERY EASY TO SCORE IMO.

Rounds Margarito won were competitive, Rounds Paul won were landslides.
At most 116-112 but NOOOOO way did this fight was close enough for a draw let alone a Margarito win.


Andrey

[Martini643]

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Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: Margarito, 116-112
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: Draw, 114-114
Steve Springer, Los Angeles Times: Draw, 114-114
Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: Margarito, 115-113
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: Margarito, 115-113
Doug Fischer, MaxBoxing.com: Margarito, 115-113
Jerry Magee, San Diego Union-Tribune: Williams,
116-112
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: Williams,
115-113
Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: Williams,
115-113
David Avila, Riverside Press Enterprise: Draw, 114-114
Francisco Salazar, Fightnews.com: Draw, 114-114
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Ok, let's add those up:

Margo Win --- 4

Draw --------- 4

PW Win ------ 3

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Looks like I'm going to have this one again with the sound down, like I did with DLH-PBF. At first I scored it for PBF, but once I turned down the PBF cheerleading, I had it for DLH.

I guess these guys saw a little bit more at ringside than I saw on TV. Maybe they saw the fear in Williams' eyes or heard the power in Margo's shots.

Looks like the hoopla is just beginning.


maybe they realized that williams' punches weren't doing shit to margarito, he was just flicking his arm out and a lot of his 1200 punches were blocked. Williams almost got KTFO in the 11th, and had a gash over his eye :bbb

[IntentionalButt]

I saw 117-111 Williams win.

VERY VERY EASY TO SCORE IMO.

Rounds Margarito won were competitive, Rounds Paul won were landslides.
At most 116-112 but NOOOOO way did this fight was close enough for a draw let alone a Margarito win.


Andrey

This echoes what I've been saying all night. When Paul won there was absolutely no ifs ands or buts about it. Is there anybody on the planet who didn't give him the 12th??

[Pimp C]

Very easy fight to score I gave Margo 3 or 4 rounds at best. Williams beat him hands down.

[paulfv]

maybe they realized that williams' punches weren't doing shit to margarito, he was just flicking his arm out and a lot of his 1200 punches were blocked. Williams almost got KTFO in the 11th, and had a gash over his eye :bbb

It must have been. I guess at ringside they had a better appreciation of Margo's physical dominance in terms of power on his shots

[IntentionalButt]

Very easy fight to score I gave Margo 3 or 4 rounds at best. Williams beat him hands down.

welcome to the sane majority! now grab a shovel, hold your nose, and help the rest of us clear away these big wet piles of excuses.

[Silver]

maybe they realized that williams' punches weren't doing shit to margarito, he was just flicking his arm out and a lot of his 1200 punches were blocked. Williams almost got KTFO in the 11th, and had a gash over his eye :bbbare you a margo fan?

[Pimp C]

welcome to the sane majority! now grab a shovel, hold your nose, and help the rest of us clear away these big wet piles of excuses.
:lol: :lol: :rofl :rofl

[paulfv]

Maybe PBF will fight Margo now like he chose to fight Chicken Dancer after he lost? If the rest of the media sees it like these 11, we could be headed for a rematch or a PBF-AM fight, like PBF-Judah after Judah lost. Damn, this is crazy!

[IntentionalButt]

It must have been. I guess at ringside they had a better appreciation of Margo's physical dominance in terms of power on his shots
what the fuck dominance? he landed a few clean punches that snapped paul's head and the hometown crowd went "Ooooooooh". guess what? paul also landed a few clean punches that snapped tony's head and the hometown crowd went "Aaaaaaah". did bodywork in the middle rounds slow paul down a bit? yeah. but did it stop him, or come even close? :deal

[paulfv]

what the fuck dominance? he landed a few clean punches that snapped paul's head and the hometown crowd went "Ooooooooh". guess what? paul also landed a few clean punches that snapped tony's head and the hometown crowd went "Aaaaaaah". did bodywork in the middle rounds slow paul down a bit? yeah. but did it stop him, or come even close? :deal

Hey, it's not my poll. Ask the boxing writers who said Paul lost.

[PBF P4P #1]

Steve Kim and Doug Fischer gave the fight to Margarito? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO REALLY? They are the biggest Tony nuthuggers of them all.

[Pimp C]

Exactly! A good counter puncher like PBF would have his way with Margo. PBF would win every round against an overhyped limited fighter like Antonio Fraudarito.

[PBF P4P #1]

Exactly! A good counter puncher like PBF would have his way with Margo. PBF would win every round against an overhyped limited fighter like Antonio Fraudarito.

Why is that so hard for everyone to believe? They act like he is ducking somebody....HA

[paulfv]

Damn, looks like we might be headed for a rematch. Wow! I can't wait to watch this again.

PBF -- you aren't out of the woods yet! :)

[PBF P4P #1]

Honestly if Williams goes after Cotto or rematches Margo....How much longer can the kid hold 147 on that frame....He went up almost 17 pounds, thats nuts, it was like watching two MWs tonight

[paulfv]

Honestly if Williams goes after Cotto or rematches Margo....How much longer can the kid hold 147 on that frame....He went up almost 17 pounds, thats nuts, it was like watching two MWs tonight

Good point. He can't do that much longer, or shouldn't.

[Ring Master]

Looks like I'm going to have this one again with the sound down, like I did with DLH-PBF. At first I scored it for PBF, but once I turned down the PBF cheerleading, I had it for DLH.

I guess these guys saw a little bit more at ringside than I saw on TV. Maybe they saw the fear in Williams' eyes or heard the power in Margo's shots.

Looks like the hoopla is just beginning.

all this really proves is that you don't know how to properly score a fight and you are easily influenced.

goodnight.

[paulfv]

all this really proves is that you don't know how to properly score a fight and you are easily influenced.

goodnight.

Goodnight, non-boxing writer.

[PBF P4P #1]

Goodnight, non-boxing writer.

So you need a fucking writer to tell you who won the fight?

Goodnight, dumb-ass noob.

[paulfv]

So you need a fucking writer to tell you who won the fight?

Goodnight, dumb-ass noob.

Goodnight, non-boxing writer #2.

[IntentionalButt]

Goodnight, non-boxing writer.

Uh, several posters on this forum are boxing writers. It's not like being a lawyer, there's no competency test. :lol:

[paulfv]

Uh, several posters on this forum are boxing writers. It's not like being a lawyer, there's no competency test. :lol:

I guess I'll just say:

"Good-night, non-polled, possible boxing writer" :)

[Ring Master]

Goodnight, non-boxing writer #2.

:lol: Your funny I'll give you that, I see your humor.

[divac]

It must have been. I guess at ringside they had a better appreciation of Margo's physical dominance in terms of power on his shots

I'll remind folks that most around boxing forums like these would'nt have a clue on how to score a fight.....
....they usually have to be lead by an announcing team that many times have an agenda.


Obviously the fight was close....but also obvious was the fact that Margarito while the aggressor, consistently throughout most rounds threw and landed the much heavier blows.

I guess you can say that ringsiders more closer to the action could actually here and take notice of the pounding that Williams body took.....
.....and also note that there must have not been much thudding effect in Williams' punches.

I'll remind some here that it's supposed to be a proffesional championship fight not scored through amatuer rules.

[paulfv]

:lol: Your funny I'll give you that, I see your humor.

Ha ha. You have to have some fun at 4:30 AM, right? :)

[IntentionalButt]

Ha ha. You have to have some fun at 4:30 AM, right? :)

I have to go to bed. But I can't rest while all you unenlightened goobers are running around saying and thinking that Margarito won this fight!

[paulfv]

I have to go to bed. But I can't rest while all you unenlightened goobers are running around saying and thinking that Margarito won this fight!

I'm about to hit it, too. Tired.

[Ring Master]

I'll remind folks that most around boxing forums like these would'nt have a clue on how to score a fight.....
....they usually have to be lead by an announcing team that many times have an agenda.


Obviously the fight was close....but also obvious was the fact that Margarito while the aggressor, consistently throughout most rounds threw and landed the much heavier blows.

I guess you can say that ringsiders more closer to the action could actually here and take notice of the pounding that Williams body took.....
.....and also note that there must have not been much thudding effect in Williams' punches.

I'll remind some here that it's supposed to be a proffesional championship fight not scored through amatuer rules.

While you have a valid point i don't feel it applies here. Williams punches were clean scoring punches.

Ledermen , Merchant , and the offical judges have it right. while u may like Margo's blows more, Williams scored and u can't take it away from him.

A lay up counts just like a dunk 2 points, just less exciting.

[PBF P4P #1]

Seriously this isnt BHop/Taylor I or Winky/Taylor this fight was clearly controlled by PW and the decision was just.

[Ring Master]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] totals Williams (78%) Margarito (11%) Draw (11%)

[divac]

While you have a valid point i don't feel it applies here. Williams punches were clean scoring punches.

Ledermen , Merchant , and the offical judges have it right. while u may like Margo's blows more, Williams scored and u can't take it away from him.

A lay up counts just like a dunk 2 points, just less exciting.

Bad analogy friend!
Thats where you have it wrong......boxing is'nt a basketball game. A dunk counts just as much as a layup......

......but in boxing, authority and effectiveness of a blow is the most important scoring criteria. A dunk in boxing (a right hand down the pike with power) would count alot more than layup (an average jab not thrown with much power behind it)

[divac]

[Only registered and activated users can see links] ([Only registered and activated users can see links]) totals Williams (78%) Margarito (11%) Draw (11%)

I dont know what fightjudge is, but I'd guess it would be just a forum like here at ESB......with most being lead by the hand by the HBO boxing team!

[Ring Master]

Bad analogy friend!
Thats where you have it wrong......boxing is'nt a basketball game. A dunk counts just as much as a layup......

......but in boxing, authority and effectiveness of a blow is the most important scoring criteria. A dunk in boxing (a right hand down the pike with power) would count alot more than layup (an average jab not thrown with much power behind it)

The point was the scoring. And paul scored more. Clean clear punches are just that. you can not score impact b/c you can't feel.

If he punched so hard he would have knocked him out.

[divac]

The point was the scoring. And paul scored more. Clean clear punches are just that. you can not score impact b/c you can't feel.

If he punched so hard he would have knocked him out.

Then you just told me that you score through amatuer rules, where a nothing jab that lands, counts just as much as a right hand bomb that staggers.
In case you did'nt know, in the amatuers, that is exactly the case.

[Ring Master]

Then you just told me that you score through amatuer rules, where a nothing jab that lands, counts just as much as a right hand bomb that staggers.
In case you did'nt know, in the amatuers, that is exactly the case.

Your hearing what you want at this point. I cleary stated clean clear punches. We are speaking on professional boxing, and what happend in the ring tonight between Williams and Margarito.

[divac]

Your hearing what you want at this point. I cleary stated clean clear punches. We are speaking on professional boxing, and what happend in the ring tonight between Williams and Margarito.

I'm hearing what you stated, go back and read.....
.....without realising it, you're clearly describing that you score through amatuer rules.

[Toopretty]

The funny thing to ask is, which one of the first 6 rounds did they give to margarito...lol let see the break down round by round and you can see who is full of shit..then you can replay the fight and watch the round and see Williams not only hitting the bum but hurting the bum especially to the body. Margarito didnt even land a punch until about round 7..lol clowns in denial..

[divac]

The funny thing to ask is, which one of the first 6 rounds did they give to margarito...lol let see the break down round by round and you can see who is full of shit..then you can replay the fight and watch the round and see Williams not only hitting the bum but hurting the bum especially to the body. Margarito didnt even land a punch until about round 7..lol clowns in denial..

There is a thread out that asks for scores......funny, but I'm about the only one that broke down the fight, and gave a round by round score.

.....read it and wheep!:lol: ;)

[kirk]

honestly.... i didnt even see a close fight, but seeing doug and kim both scored it for margarito, i guess ill go back and take a look when i have a chance, cuz... honestly, i dont see it.

i know for a fact i gave the first 5 out of 6 rounds to williams, and 12th, to williams.... that means margarito would have had to win the rest of the rounds and imo he just didnt do that.

my god.... i just dont see the 'controversy'. if there was ever a tough, rough battle that was decently close but dominated by one guy... this was it imo. williams won the early rounds.... margarito had a rally, and williams closed the show. i just dont see how margarito can make a case.

hell... even MUNDO... who is a margarito FAN, thought that PW won.

[Ambition_Def]

honestly.... i didnt even see a close fight, but seeing doug and kim both scored it for margarito, i guess ill go back and take a look when i have a chance, cuz... honestly, i dont see it.

i know for a fact i gave the first 5 out of 6 rounds to williams, and 12th, to williams.... that means margarito would have had to win the rest of the rounds and imo he just didnt do that.

my god.... i just dont see the 'controversy'. if there was ever a tough, rough battle that was decently close but dominated by one guy... this was it imo. williams won the early rounds.... margarito had a rally, and williams closed the show. i just dont see how margarito can make a case.

hell... even MUNDO... who is a margarito FAN, thought that PW won.

They were influenced by the crowd. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Margarito himself has said that he thought he was winning going into the 9th. Call me crazy but I think thats the first time Margarito has seen a crowd so up for him to win. They cheered just about anytime he landed. It likely had alot to do with his lax attitude in the ring and the weird scoring ringside.

[kirk]

i mean... when i am watching, yes i take into account all the punches landed and missed... but also, this isnt fucking rocket science guys... its a fight, and honestly, it wasnt... THAT close. PW owned.... up until around the 5th, 6th round did it even get really competetive, marg then started to actually WIN rounds... and you could tell because wow, he was actually LANDING telling shots (which no... he really wasnt doing before) i mean, you can look at a fight and tell who has the upperhand, momentum, and is winning when someone DOES have those things, and PW certainly did for the first half of the fight.... and sorry, but marg just didnt do enough to win the fight going down the stretch.

even larry merchant said

sometimes theres a differance between watching a fight on tv, and watching a fight close in person, and you see two differant things.... based on ledermans card... this isnt one of those times.

basically saying that PW was owning both perspectives.

[PBF P4P #1]

honestly.... i didnt even see a close fight, but seeing doug and kim both scored it for margarito, i guess ill go back and take a look when i have a chance, cuz... honestly, i dont see it.

i know for a fact i gave the first 5 out of 6 rounds to williams, and 12th, to williams.... that means margarito would have had to win the rest of the rounds and imo he just didnt do that.

my god.... i just dont see the 'controversy'. if there was ever a tough, rough battle that was decently close but dominated by one guy... this was it imo. williams won the early rounds.... margarito had a rally, and williams closed the show. i just dont see how margarito can make a case.

hell... even MUNDO... who is a margarito FAN, thought that PW won.

This doesn't surprise you does it? Wouldn't matter what happened and they would have had him winning the fight.

[RafaelGonzal]

I had it 7-5 for Williams Margo needed round 12 for a draw and lost the round and fight 7/5 to Margo

[IntentionalButt]

There is a thread out that asks for scores......funny, but I'm about the only one that broke down the fight, and gave a round by round score.

.....read it and wheep!:lol: ;)

Yeah, but you were wrong. Making up wrong shit isn't hard. :nut

[Slaughter27]

Don't listen to divac people, he posted on another thread having the 1st round even and giving the 2nd to Margarito, enough said.

[KO byBRIGGS]

Williams won without question...I am impartial and have never previously cared much about either fighter but it was clear Williams was scoring at will weather the shots were devastating or not he was throwing 105 punches per round and landing quite a few. Marg came alive for rounds 10 and 11 but it was too little too late. I score this fight 7 rounds to 5 with Williams winning the 12th round to secure the victory.

[Martini643]

are you a margo fan?


no to be honest, im more of a williams fan than margarito i just wasnt as impressed with him like everyone else. His punches were little baby slaps and had no power behind them. You would think that landing 500 punches he would have at least hurt margarito and he didnt.

[EpsilonAxis]

I thought Margarito won 7-5. It could have gone the other way easily but I liked his work better, gave him 4-7, and 9-11.

I thought both guys performed very well. Margarito just upped the tempo a little too late. I'd pick him in the rematch though. By round 4 he had Williams timed bigtime, was blocking almost everything, and landing the harder shots.

[surreal deal]

Mayweather and Williams won clearly to any objective party, even a deaf one. The Mayweather fight was a little closer.
not a floyd fan are you?

[Silver]

no to be honest, im more of a williams fan than margarito i just wasnt as impressed with him like everyone else. His punches were little baby slaps and had no power behind them. You would think that landing 500 punches he would have at least hurt margarito and he didnt. so? pernall whitaker could hit a guy 500 times and not really hurt hurt him. and he does have a nice ko% which shows you what he lacks in power makes up for workrate. also you look at the baby bull. not alot of power but throws alot. his defense needs work though.

[paulfv]

I thought Margarito won 7-5. It could have gone the other way easily but I liked his work better, gave him 4-7, and 9-11.

I thought both guys performed very well. Margarito just upped the tempo a little too late. I'd pick him in the rematch though. By round 4 he had Williams timed bigtime, was blocking almost everything, and landing the harder shots.

The writers polled agree with you, or more do than those who favored PW

[IntentionalButt]

not a floyd fan are you?

not really, but not a hater either.

[C Money]

Ficsher and Kim ARE MARGARITO 2 THE MAX!!!!! Completely biased whenever Margarito is involved and it's pathetically evident in theire scores of this fight. At best Marg won 1 of the first 6 rounds(none, IMO). He rallied in the second half, but CERTAINLY NOT ENOUGH to justify victory. Margarito lost, plain and simple.

[paulfv]

Ficsher and Kim ARE MARGARITO 2 THE MAX!!!!! Completely biased whenever Margarito is involved and it's pathetically evident in theire scores of this fight. At best Marg won 1 of the first 6 rounds(none, IMO). He rallied in the second half, but CERTAINLY NOT ENOUGH to justify victory. Margarito lost, plain and simple.

What about the other 6 writers who didn't have Williams winning?

[H .]

What about the other 6 writers who didn't have Williams winning?

The 3 judges matter, not those writers.

I thought Williams won. I was glad to see Margarito win a few rounds in the second half, but it wasn't good enough.

[paulfv]

The 3 judges matter, not those writers.

Ok, I get it. So you think the judges in Julio Caesar Chavez and Whitaker had it all correct, too? Right? And Whitaker-Ramirez, ...

11 ringside writers -> 3 had PW the winner.

That's rough.

[C Money]

What about the other 6 writers who didn't have Williams winning?

I cant speak on their "reasons" but Margarito did exactly SHIT through the first six rounds. I dont know what you're need for having the opinion of anyone who calls themselves a 'boxing writer' expressed is, but it doesnt mean shit. They dont score fights on what the "writers" think.

Margarito didnt win that fight and its CLEAR. I'm pointing out the bias of two of the more well known of that group and Iole writes for them over at Max. Margarito fans in general are blindly loyal and it shows in at least 3. You can side with them, if you like, YOU'RE STILL WRONG!!!

[paulfv]

I cant speak on their "reasons" but Margarito did exactly SHIT through the first six rounds.

Apparently, the 8 writers disagree with you.

[Silver]

Apparently, the 8 writers disagree with you.who do you think won?

[H .]

Apparently, the 8 writers disagree with you.

Why don't you go suck their dicks then :good Apparently they're law.

[paulfv]

Why don't you go suck their dicks then :good Apparently they're law.

Nah, you can be my second for that one. :hi:

[paulfv]

Wow, this noob might have taken the trophy for the biggest moron in all of ESB. He had both Margarito and DLH winning. :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

Holy shit is this noob dumb.

Kid, I was on rec.sport.boxing.pro when you were eating your own boogers. Give me a break, junior. :lol:

[paulfv]

who do you think won?

I had it 7-5 for Williams, but that was while listening to Lederman and the rest. Next time, sound down. That helped a lot with DLH-PBF

[C Money]

Apparently, the 8 writers disagree with you.


Who gives a fuck??? There's plenty more than 8 Marg fans and if 20 of em disagree?? SO FUCKING WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They dont score fights based on what the WRITERS THINK and the most notably KNOWN of them are KNOWN TO BE BIASED FOR MARGARITO!!!!!!!!:yep :yep


I've been around boxing a long time, know pro's, at least 1 titlelist, and several cats with deep amateur backgrounds(all over 80 amateur fights), and fought as an amateur myself. So, I can give exactly two squirts of RAT:piss what these "writers' think. I'm capable of making up my own mind and guess what?? It counts just the same as these "writers" you want to tout. Becasue IT DOESNT, in terms of the decision!!!!!!!!!!!!

So you cling to the nuts of these guy's all you like. Maybe, if you stick around long enough, you'll even be able to make up YOUR OWN MIND, someday:good

[Silver]

I had it 7-5 for Williams, but that was while listening to Lederman and the rest. Next time, sound down. That helped a lot with DLH-PBFgotcha

[IntentionalButt]

I had it 7-5 for Williams, but that was while listening to Lederman and the rest. Next time, sound down. That helped a lot with DLH-PBF

strange, you have the impressionability of a five year old, but your spelling and reading comprehension is at least 4th grade level. :think

[H .]

Apparently, the 8 writers disagree with you.

You got your 8 writers, but now there's a poll. Go check it out, let's see what most people think (regulars, writers, experts, etc.). :smoke

[C Money]

I had it 7-5 for Williams, but that was while listening to Lederman and the rest. Next time, sound down. That helped a lot with DLH-PBF


:huh

Well, guess we know that you cant judge fights!! Because you cant turn the sound down on a LIVE crowd when sitting at ringside:good

I can see for myself whats happening in the ring and announcers have ZIP to do with it. Although, it can be MORE ENJOYABLE to not be subjected to Kellerman and Merchant, it's not required for an honest opinion.

[paulfv]

Yea sure you were.

I sure was (on rec.sport.boxing.pro). Do you even know what I'm talking about? I was one of the only people there to pick Foreman by KO over Moorer. I was off by 1 round.

A lot of writers used to hang there. Wally Matthews, who used to cover boxing for the NY Post was around a lot.

It's ok, kid - you went out on a flimsy branch and it broke on your ass. It happens. You'll learn as you grow up and your balls begin to drop all the way. No charge from me for the lesson.

[H .]

strange, you have the impressionability of a five year old, but your spelling and reading comprehension is at least 4th grade level. :think

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[princedigital]

maybe they realized that williams' punches weren't doing shit to margarito, he was just flicking his arm out and a lot of his 1200 punches were blocked. Williams almost got KTFO in the 11th, and had a gash over his eye :bbb

Dang no props for Williams weathering the storm and dominating the 12th rd huh? Sounds like hate :p

[BoxingGuru]

Ridiculous. I was there, Margarito won 3 rounds at the most. The Margarito fans were downright EMBARRASSED by him. It was like a funeral in there when it started with everyone cheering for Margarito and booing Williams.

[paulfv]

This is from Doug Fischer's write-up of the fight:

An informal poll of 11 ringside members of the press revealed that four scored the bout for Margarito, three scored it for Williams, and four had the bout even (114-114). It was definitely not a robbery. It was a close fight, and a darn good one.

He must be referring to the Yahoo poll I posted at the beginning of the thread

[Ramshall1]

Yea sure you were. So what's your angle noob, you a bitter mexican nuthugger and can't take two black men dominating and raping your overrated mexicans icons or what is it, you can talk to me papi, I understand your pain. :lol:

your a scumbag for trying to make this a racial thing.

[Ramshall1]

I'm gonna have to watch again, I had it 7-5 for PW. . . but those body shots from AM may have been heavier than I thought and he did block alot of PW's flicking punches. But it seems PW simply outworked him for almost all of the first 6 or 7 rounds.

[paulfv]

your a scumbag for trying to make this a racial thing.

Agreed. Really sad stuff by him.

[paulfv]

I'm gonna have to watch again, I had it 7-5 for PW. . . but those body shots from AM may have been heavier than I thought and he did block alot of PW's flicking punches. But it seems PW simply outworked him for almost all of the first 6 or 7 rounds.

I had it the same as you did, 7-5 for PW. I'll watch it again with the sound down and see if it changes my opinion.

Forget about the "Margo 'huggers" like Kim and Fischer. I've always respected Tim Smith. If he had it a draw, I'm going to take that seriously.

[Cerberus]

I scored it 8-4 for Paul and I felt I was actually being kinda lenient towards Margarito. Two of those four rounds I gave to Margarito could've been scored 10-10 IMO.

I just watched the fight again with the sound off, and I even tried to watch it through Margarito fans' biased-tinted glasses and the best I could come up with is 7-5 for Paul. I still cannot, for the life of me, understand how ANYONE can score it a draw, much less a win for Margarito.

How the hell did these guys at Yahoo get their jobs?

[paulfv]

How the hell did these guys at Yahoo get their jobs?

The thing is, a few of those guys (like Tim Smith of the NY Daily News) are very well-respected guys. I guess they saw something different at ringside or were affected by the crowd or something.

I still have to watch it again.

[Tettsuo]

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Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: Margarito, 116-112
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: Draw, 114-114
Steve Springer, Los Angeles Times: Draw, 114-114
Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: Margarito, 115-113
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: Margarito, 115-113
Doug Fischer, MaxBoxing.com: Margarito, 115-113
Jerry Magee, San Diego Union-Tribune: Williams,
116-112
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: Williams,
115-113
Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: Williams,
115-113
David Avila, Riverside Press Enterprise: Draw, 114-114
Francisco Salazar, Fightnews.com: Draw, 114-114
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Ok, let's add those up:

Margo Win --- 4

Draw --------- 4

PW Win ------ 3

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Looks like I'm going to have this one again with the sound down, like I did with DLH-PBF. At first I scored it for PBF, but once I turned down the PBF cheerleading, I had it for DLH.

I guess these guys saw a little bit more at ringside than I saw on TV. Maybe they saw the fear in Williams' eyes or heard the power in Margo's shots.

Looks like the hoopla is just beginning.
I only see 4 writers giving it to Margo... where did you get 8 from?

Either way, depending on how you score a fight, it was a close match. Really, it was the last round that sealed it for Williams.

[paulfv]

I only see 4 writers giving it to Margo... where did you get 8 from?

Either way, depending on how you score a fight, it was a close match. Really, it was the last round that sealed it for Williams.

Only 3 had PW winning, including 4 who had the fight a draw.

I agree with you, when I watched it I thought the 12th round gave it to PW. So did 2/3 of the judges.

[markbrooklyn]

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Kevin Iole, Yahoo! Sports: Margarito, 116-112
Tim Smith, New York Daily News: Draw, 114-114
Steve Springer, Los Angeles Times: Draw, 114-114
Bill Dwyre, Los Angeles Times: Margarito, 115-113
Steve Kim, MaxBoxing.com: Margarito, 115-113
Doug Fischer, MaxBoxing.com: Margarito, 115-113
Jerry Magee, San Diego Union-Tribune: Williams,
116-112
Robert Morales, Los Angeles Daily News: Williams,
115-113
Carlos Arias, Orange County Register: Williams,
115-113
David Avila, Riverside Press Enterprise: Draw, 114-114
Francisco Salazar, Fightnews.com: Draw, 114-114
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Ok, let's add those up:

Margo Win --- 4

Draw --------- 4

PW Win ------ 3

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Looks like I'm going to have this one again with the sound down, like I did with DLH-PBF. At first I scored it for PBF, but once I turned down the PBF cheerleading, I had it for DLH.

I guess these guys saw a little bit more at ringside than I saw on TV. Maybe they saw the fear in Williams' eyes or heard the power in Margo's shots.

Looks like the hoopla is just beginning.

LOL Fear in Williams eyes? He had NO fear of Margarito at all. Just look at the staredown.. Margarito wouldnt even look at him he was lookin down the whole time.. And Williams came out in the 12th round and shut him out. And power in Margaritos shots? Please hes very overrated when it comes to power. Williams beat him pretty easily.

[markbrooklyn]

It must have been. I guess at ringside they had a better appreciation of Margo's physical dominance in terms of power on his shots

LOL@ "Physical Dominance" Please explain. So you're saying if you hit a guy 100 times in the face with average power on them that you'll lose if ur opponent hits you 10 times with a little more then average power behind them? Give me a break.. Who are you? Margaritos Promoter? Hahaha

[IntentionalButt]

Margarito's fists are neither feather nor iron. They are the embodiment of 'average'. Paul was never seriously hurt by any one shot.

[paulfv]

LOL@ "Physical Dominance" Please explain. So you're saying if you hit a guy 100 times in the face with average power on them that you'll lose if ur opponent hits you 10 times with a little more then average power behind them? Give me a break.. Who are you? Margaritos Promoter? Hahaha

No, I'm talking about power per shot. Remember, this is pro fighting, not amateur fighting where you score based on # of hits. Or when Margo almost took out Williams in the 11th. In the pros, power matters. Williams never even came close to hurting Margo, whereas Margo almost took out Williams. Judges take that stuff into account in pro scoring.

[TIGEREDGE]

THAT LIST IS NOT ALL THE PRESS. ITS ONLY A SELECTION OF WRITERS.

The de la hoya pbf fight was different matter. WILLIAMS COULD OF WON ALL ROUNDS BUT ONE (11TH)

[Ramshall1]

Anyone who had PW winning a landslide does not know how to score effective body punches.

[TIGEREDGE]

Anyone who had PW winning a landslide does not know how to score effective body punches.

AM DID SOME GOOD WORK BUT SO DID PAUL IN EVERY ROUND NEARLY
HE WAS TAKIN 3 PUNCHES TO LAND ONE. WHEN TONIO LANDED ONE GOOD SHOT WILLIAMS WOULD RESPOMND WITH 3 OR 4 CLEANS SHOTS

THERES NO WAY YOU COULD SAY ANTONIO WON

[Ramshall1]

AM DID SOME GOOD WORK BUT SO DID PAUL IN EVERY ROUND NEARLY
HE WAS TAKIN 3 PUNCHES TO LAND ONE. WHEN TONIO LANDED ONE GOOD SHOT WILLIAMS WOULD RESPOMND WITH 3 OR 4 CLEANS SHOTS

THERES NO WAY YOU COULD SAY ANTONIO WON

thats not what I said.

[digiram]

maybe they realized that williams' punches weren't doing shit to margarito, he was just flicking his arm out and a lot of his 1200 punches were blocked. Williams almost got KTFO in the 11th, and had a gash over his eye :bbb

And Margaret came out in the 12th, and did shit. That's what his ass gets. No more fucking excuses please.

[DatBo215]

I agree with the Decision and I feel Paul won the fight, but i think it was alot closer then many of you are making it and I think that you could even make a case for a draw. Williams was throwing outragous amounts ouf punches, but margo landed the more effective punches. At no time in the fight was margo hurt. I felt alot of his inactivity was due to him trying to figure out how to fight a taller man, margo being 5'10 and taller than most of his other opponents, and williams holding. I felt his holding was lil much, but effective. Whenever margo got into a rythm paul would hold and the ref let him go with it until about the 7th or 8th round, and i feel you the difference was evident. I'm not making excuses, it was a good move by paul to hold, but it showed when he didn't. Also Margo had paul hurt on a number of occassions with body shots through out and a few head shots in the 11th. Paul was the one cut and the side of his face was swollen. I do agree with the decision and like the two of the judges felt paul had to win the last round inorder to win or else i would have called it a draw.

[Lampley]

Williams never even came close to hurting Margo, whereas Margo almost took out Williams.


I've been trying to read your posts with a degree of open-mindedness, but your agenda becomes transparent when you make a baseless assertion such as this. Williams was stunned on a couple of occasions, but he never wobbled or even stopped throwing. At no point was he in serious trouble, and it's absurd to suggest otherwise.

And I value the opinion of the ringcard girls as much as I do the wonderful intellectuals at MaxBoxing. In my experience, the journalists tend to be swayed much more by the crowd than they should be. I'd like to see where anyone could find seven rounds for Margarito. That's astounding, considering that he clearly lost five of the first six along with the 12th.

[maracho]

Yeah they could hear the body punches and did you all see who's face looked beat up? ...and Margaito cuts fairly easy.

However, since Williams won most the early rounds and the last I scored the fight for him. Williams made a fan out of me like he said he would and I hope he becomes like another Tommy Hearns but maybe I also need to watch the fight again.

[paulfv]

I've been trying to read your posts with a degree of open-mindedness, but your agenda becomes transparent when you make a baseless assertion such as this. Williams was stunned on a couple of occasions, but he never wobbled or even stopped throwing. At no point was he in serious trouble, and it's absurd to suggest otherwise.

And I value the opinion of the ringcard girls as much as I do the wonderful intellectuals at MaxBoxing. In my experience, the journalists tend to be swayed much more by the crowd than they should be. I'd like to see where anyone could find seven rounds for Margarito. That's astounding, considering that he clearly lost five of the first six along with the 12th.

Are you saying Williams wasn't badly hurt in the 11th?

Again, power of shots is one element which separates professional scoring from amateur scoring. Williams pitty-patted Margarito all night, never coming close to hurting him, whereas Margarito had Williams in real trouble in the 11th, and was landing some bombs.

I'm suggesting that the 8/11 writers who did not have Williams winning the fight in this poll could have been giving Margarito more credit for the heavier blows landed. I don't know, I guess we'll have to ask them.

[BoppaZoo]

Williams won get over it i say.

it was the right decision. Margarito needed the 12th to even stand a chance and he didnt win it. Williams by 2 rounds.
also i thought that the 3 judges were great because how often do you see judges not get the score of a fight even close.
but 2 judges in this fight had it 115-113 which i feel was spot on.

[pablogad]

I've got to say this post takes the biscuit!!! To quote that several boxing writers had the fight for Margo over Williams is as pointless as it is ridiculous; then to say that you used previous supposed expert analysis as the basis to change your original assessment of the mayweather dela hoya fight leaves me speechless.

You worry me greatly. I suppose if these guys told you to jump off a cliff you'd do that too!!!

[Lampley]

Are you saying Williams wasn't badly hurt in the 11th?

Again, power of shots is one element which separates professional scoring from amateur scoring. Williams pitty-patted Margarito all night, never coming close to hurting him, whereas Margarito had Williams in real trouble in the 11th, and was landing some bombs.

I'm suggesting that the 8/11 writers who did not have Williams winning the fight in this poll could have been giving Margarito more credit for the heavier blows landed. I don't know, I guess we'll have to ask them.

I'm saying he wasn't "almost taken out." He was stunned, but he wasn't ever close to being dropped or stopped. That, in my mind, is why he wasn't in serious trouble. I think Chad Dawson was in more trouble against Adamek, and yet I wouldn't say he was almost taken out, either.

And I'm aware of the value of power shots. I think you'll have trouble finding enough power shots outside of the rounds everyone gave to Margarito to justify a Margo win, or even a draw. I also believe you are overlooking some very good shots landed by Williams. Most of his shots were light, but the fact that Margo has a beard obfuscated the fact that there were a few decent power shots in the rounds Williams won.

Again, let's make sure we query the custodians and ring card girls while we're busy tracking down the expert judgment of Steve Kim.