Cotto won't do it

[Atritionist]

Top Ranks view on champions is they should fight their legendary fights in Vegas. This is where legends fight. But since the nevada state athletic commision will not allow ww to fight with gloves under 10oz. Cotto won't do it! He will not fight with nothing but 8oz gloves. Therefore demands MSG where the 8oz gloves go.
Margarito has said " I don't care what size the gloves are, I just want to fight!"

Margo has the right mentality and confidence, you can tell in his statement.

Here's my question... Has Cotto gotten use to his fighting enviornment ( 8oz gloves, pro Boricua crowd) that is uncomfortable fighting out of it? or he just needs those gloves for Margo?

[jecxbox]

10oz gloves that = weaksauce. Its the dumbest rule that they could have done and there is no logic to it. They can easily have a meeting and talk about allowing their fight to use 8oz gloves, but there is a big difference between 8oz and 10oz.

[Bslice]

Is this seriously an issue ?

[whit]

I was thinking when he fight Mayweather will he be effected by the size of the gloves in vegas? That will be an excuse when Floyd beats him.

[Atritionist]

Is this seriously an issue ?
apperantly to Cotto it is. and since he's the more marketable fighter in Top Rank I'm sure he'll have his way. You agree?

[Spitbucket]

Then it sounds like they are actually negotiaing to get the fight made.

Good news to me:good

[jecxbox]

I was thinking when he fight Mayweather will he be effected by the size of the gloves in vegas? That will be an excuse when Floyd beats him.

It doesn't have to be 10oz gloves in vegas. These rules can easily be over turned. 8oz gloves is fine, 10oz are pillows as far as pro boxing is concerned

[saul_ir34]

Who cares? They can fight with 18 oz gloves and it will still be a good fight.
It would be bullshit if Cotto said no unless they used 8 oz gloves. I love Cotto and i hope he doesnt start using excuses like alot of fighters tend to do.

[1lehudson]

Cotto has fought in Vegas before, so it shouldnt be an issue. If it becomes an issue then we may have to start pulling Cotto's b*tch card:smoke

[Antwuan Maxx]

Top Ranks view on champions is they should fight their legendary fights in Vegas. This is where legends fight. But since the nevada state athletic commision will not allow ww to fight with gloves under 10oz. Cotto won't do it! He will not fight with nothing but 8oz gloves. Therefore demands MSG where the 8oz gloves go.
Margarito has said " I don't care what size the gloves are, I just want to fight!"

Margo has the right mentality and confidence, you can tell in his statement.

Here's my question... Has Cotto gotten use to his fighting enviornment ( 8oz gloves, pro Boricua crowd) that is uncomfortable fighting out of it? or he just needs those gloves for Margo?

Source? According to this article a few months back on ESPN, they both refused to fight in Vegas...



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Two ounces, a world of difference



Coach Cotto won't be rolling onto the Las Vegas Strip any time soon.
Every now and then, promoter Bob Arum embarks on a crusade.

His current campaign is an effort to have the Nevada State Athletic Commission rescind its 2006 edict requiring fighters in the junior welterweight and welterweight divisions to wear 10-ounce gloves instead of the traditional eight.

"The intransigence of this commission drives me crazy," Arum says. "They made the change arbitrarily with no serious study and there's no valid reason for it. It runs contrary to what virtually every other commission in the world does. And the problem is, they're Republicans; so like most Republicans, they're stubborn and refuse to admit that they've made a mistake."

"It's horrible," Arum continues. "Nevada is losing fights because guys like Cotto and Antonio Margarito refuse to come here and wear 10-ounce gloves. And I don't blame them. If I was a puncher in the welterweight division, I wouldn't want to wear 10-ounce gloves either."

And what does the commission say in response?

"It's on our agenda for re-evaluation," notes executive director Keith Kizer. "So we'll see what we see."


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[Antwuan Maxx]

Cotto has fought in Vegas before, so it shouldnt be an issue. If it becomes an issue then we may have to start pulling Cotto's b*tch card:smoke

The last time he fought in Vegas was in 2004. Long before the rule went into effect.

[whit]

Mayweather fights with them on and Cotto and Margo should not have a problem either though I think the 10oz gloves should not be mandatory. It is what it is as no fighter will really be at an disadvantage.

[Spitbucket]

Cotto has fought in Vegas before, so it shouldnt be an issue. If it becomes an issue then we may have to start pulling Cotto's b*tch card:smoke

It's only fair!

[bigtime9]

cotto is a bitch like arum:lol: :deal :admin

you ever hear floyd complain about glove size:deal :hey

[brooklyn1550]

cotto is a bitch like arum:lol: :deal :admin

you ever hear floyd complain about glove size:deal :hey

Calling a world champion a 'bitch' immediately DISQUALIFIES you.

[aceshigh]

Shitty rule.

[jecxbox]

cotto is a bitch like arum:lol: :deal :admin

you ever hear floyd complain about glove size:deal :hey

:ban1

[Ricky369]

Well Apparently none of them want to use them or fight in Las Vegas. We have to remember this came out of Arum's mouth. I haven't heard the boxers saying it. And MSG has a long boxing history. So, who needs Vegas?? Beside Floyd.

[Cruiser1]

Cotto would still find a way to leave the opponent's face looking like a hamburger.

[YOUNG*LORD]

Top Ranks view on champions is they should fight their legendary fights in Vegas. This is where legends fight. But since the nevada state athletic commision will not allow ww to fight with gloves under 10oz. Cotto won't do it! He will not fight with nothing but 8oz gloves. Therefore demands MSG where the 8oz gloves go.
Margarito has said " I don't care what size the gloves are, I just want to fight!"

Margo has the right mentality and confidence, you can tell in his statement.

Here's my question... Has Cotto gotten use to his fighting enviornment ( 8oz gloves, pro Boricua crowd) that is uncomfortable fighting out of it? or he just needs those gloves for Margo?post yout source...because I follow Cotto's career very close and I never heard that. Sound like bullshit to me.

[YOUNG*LORD]

cotto is a bitch like arum:lol: :deal :admin

you ever hear floyd complain about glove size:deal :heyNo because he's to busy ducking Cotto...and licking The Big Show's nuts.

[venomus_p4p]

No because he's to busy ducking Cotto...and licking The Big Show's nuts.



:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[venomus_p4p]

cotto is a bitch like arum:lol: :deal :admin

you ever hear floyd complain about glove size:deal :hey

Floyd is'nt as concerned with glove size because he has no intention in hurting his opponent. He's accepted the fact that he is feather fisted at welter :deal

So shut the fuck up you PUSSY!

[thespecialone]

If a fight isnt made because Cotto wont wear 10oz gloves its not all Cotto to blame as the opponent is refusing to fight in 80z also therefore 50/50 in it not being made.

That said it should all be sorted by someone making some 9oz gloves, best of both worlds!!

[Chiko_Tech]

Top Ranks view on champions is they should fight their legendary fights in Vegas. This is where legends fight. But since the nevada state athletic commision will not allow ww to fight with gloves under 10oz. Cotto won't do it! He will not fight with nothing but 8oz gloves. Therefore demands MSG where the 8oz gloves go.
Margarito has said " I don't care what size the gloves are, I just want to fight!"

Margo has the right mentality and confidence, you can tell in his statement.

Here's my question... Has Cotto gotten use to his fighting enviornment ( 8oz gloves, pro Boricua crowd) that is uncomfortable fighting out of it? or he just needs those gloves for Margo?
You are good in puting words in Cotto's mouth, clearly the guy that says that was Arum Cotto never says nothing like that. An las Vegas is one of the posibilities, but the draw is Cotto, the money is with Cotto, the favorit is Cotto why give the advantage to the other fighter because in the east coast Arum and the fighters can make more money.

[K0NPHL1C7]

Floyd is'nt as concerned with glove size because he has no intention in hurting his opponent. He's accepted the fact that he is feather fisted at welter :deal

So shut the fuck up you PUSSY!

...Aside from the fact that he knocked out Ricky Hatton, a feat not acheived by some pretty heavy hands....

[BigReg]

Actually, Floyd did complain at the smaller gloves against Oscar, but accepted that he wasn't the draw and couldn't make demands.

That qualifies as bitching to me. 10oz gloves are probably worse for a fighter because he can absorb more punishment over the period without going down from one sharp, concussive shot.

Floyd complained because Oscar chose the brand of gloves that he had to wear. The Nevada State Athletic Commision decides the size of the gloves.

[Tito Time]

post yout source...because I follow Cotto's career very close and I never heard that. Sound like bullshit to me.

Its very true.. I read about this somewhere, I believe espn... Its definitly the case. Whether or not its Cotto or Arum i am not sure. But true. :deal

[Tito Time]

No because he's to busy ducking Cotto...and licking The Big Show's nuts.
Never mind.

[bronx]

cotto is a bitch like arum:lol: :deal :admin

you ever hear floyd complain about glove size:deal :hey

Who is talking about floyd you hater!

[fitzgeraldz]

I don't think 2oz. of padding is going to make a difference ... if Cotto's power is evident, then it won't matter if he was wearing 16oz gloves.

Thats just an excuse not to have the home court advantage ... he has a problem with fighting on the west coast because so many fighters have such deep fan bases there.

This is where PBF's comment on him not having a deep fan base outside of NY and PR.

He doesn't even have support of the casual fan and thats most important when building a mega fight ... who's going to be his guest? ... chi chi rodriguez? ... no one knows who he is.

All the top black stars are at the fights supporting Floyd; Jordan, Denzel, Magic, Barkley, Snipes, Mary J. Blidge, Jay-Z, Diddy, Usher, along with a long list of others ... thats who's getting close ups on fight night ... and those are the ones influencing fans to pay $2,500 for a ringside seat.

I don't think as of now Cotto will not bring any fans to an arena ... and have them pay top dollar for ringside seats ... he doesn't have that kinda star power.

Tito did, but not Cotto ...

[bronx]

If Margarito does not agree to 8oz gloves at MSG, AC, or Puerto Rico than the fuck the fight! Cotto calls the shots in this fight period.

[fitzgeraldz]

If Margarito does not agree to 8oz gloves at MSG, AC, or Puerto Rico than the fuck the fight! Cotto calls the shots in this fight period.

Its funny how you say that but when it comes to Floyd its a different story.:huh Its also funny how you can only name 3 places where Cotto can fight ... he can't bring fans anywhere else ...

[Atritionist]

Originally Posted by YOUNG*LORD
post yout source...because I follow Cotto's career very close and I never heard that. Sound like bullshit to me.

Damn u must not follow to close, U can read all about it on Maxboxing.com it was also mentioned in Las Vegas sports Weekly. But donnt worry I'll keep u posted.

[bronx]

Its funny how you say that but when it comes to Floyd its a different story.:huh Its also funny how you can only name 3 places where Cotto can fight ... he can't bring fans anywhere else ...

It is understood that if a fight with cotto and mayweather was to be made cotto would have to agree to his terms as well. By ther way I am sure that any where in Florida, possibly Chicago and definately in Las Vegas this Cotto vs. Margo will be a great sucess. He just has no need to make that concesion.

[fitzgeraldz]

I doubt it ... unless it had an undercard w/ some local talent ... I think the only way that Cotto can generate some success is in PR or NY ...

Margarito doesn't give a shit about traveling ... he went to PR to fight Daniel Santos.

He fought Cintron on his home turf in NJ ...

I tell you this Cotto will not fight in Cali --

[bronx]

Its funny how you say that but when it comes to Floyd its a different story.:huh Its also funny how you can only name 3 places where Cotto can fight ... he can't bring fans anywhere else ...

You are from Michigan so you should know that PBF cant sell 5,000 tickets in his own home town. DLH and Hatton are the ones responsible for the great sucess of last years events, he should be thanking De La Hoya for making him a real star.

[polo]

cotto is a bitch like arum:lol: :deal :admin

you ever hear floyd complain about glove size:deal :hey How do you know this story is even true? already calling Cotto a bitch without
knowing the facts... OH" and get off Mayrunners NutSacks. :yep NYC

[fitzgeraldz]

You are from Michigan so you should know that PBF cant sell 5,000 tickets in his own home town. DLH and Hatton are the ones responsible for the great sucess of last years events, he should be thanking De La Hoya for making him a real star.

Man Floyd sold out a 13,000 capacity arena the few times he fought here.

so what are you talking about?

[Atritionist]

I tell you this Cotto will not fight in Cali --

So do you think he go used to having the crowd on his side, the gloves and the whole ambiance favour him. This is how he was conditioned. Is he scarred to be taken out of his fighting enviornment?

[Atritionist]

Unless they give him another Gomez, Cotto would fight anywhere. But against a Margo, he'll only fight in the eastcoast or P.R. at least thats what it seems like. Margo will fight anyone, anywhere, with whatever gloves.

[polo]

Calling a world champion a 'bitch' immediately DISQUALIFIES you. Yeah" Brooklyn crackhead. If the Purto Rican Warrior is
a bitch, that can only mean one thing... That Mayrunner is a bigger bitch
for ducking Cotto. Hee-Hee..........:yep GGGGGEEEEETTTTTTTTTTT off
the Mayrunners NUTSACK!!!!!!!!! NYC :good

[bronx]

I doubt it ... unless it had an undercard w/ some local talent ... I think the only way that Cotto can generate some success is in PR or NY ...

Margarito doesn't give a shit about traveling ... he went to PR to fight Daniel Santos.

He fought Cintron on his home turf in NJ ...

I tell you this Cotto will not fight in Cali --

Thats what I figured you were lobbying for, what the historic Olympic Auditorium or the famous Hope Depot center, or maybe the Staples center? Fuck that, this fight deserves better and it will sell not just on the east coast.

[fitzgeraldz]

Cotto is going to show more flaws in a fight with Margarito and no matter if he won or not ... he's going to give Floyd something to focus on.

Cotto isn't as polished as Floyd and isn't as skilled ... he hasn't shown anything related to boxing that he could beat Floyd. All people believing that Cotto has a chance, believes that merely on the fact that Cotto is strong.

Nothing that has to do with his boxing skills ... he can box as good as Floyd and thats what its going to come down to. Floyd has more weapons, speed, and accuracy. No to mention his defense !!

[fitzgeraldz]

Thats what I figured you were lobbying for, what the historic Olympic Auditorium or the famous Hope Depot center, or maybe the Staples center? Fuck that, this fight deserves better and it will sell not just on the east coast.

These guys are going to have to fight in PR ... neiter fighter has a big fan base and neither fighter can headline a card by themselves ... Cotto proved that he's a WCB type of fighter and hasn't really excelled to the PPV stage. He needed Shane Mosley and Zab Judah for help, before that he was doing 30k fighting Malignaggi on PPV.
Zab Judah (a NY native) played a part in selling out the Garden ...

Margarito has never headlined a venue and probably never will ... both of these guys need help if this fight is going to be on PPV and the undercard has to be spectacular. :good

[Atritionist]

Thats what I figured you were lobbying for, what the historic Olympic Auditorium or the famous Hope Depot center, or maybe the Staples center? Fuck that, this fight deserves better and it will sell not just on the east coast.

Hell No this fight needs to be in LAS VEGAS as bob arum stated, " this is were legendary fights are fought." Don't usually agree with Bob, but can't argue with him here.

Same reason every american Wants to see Joe Cal fight in Vegas, to see if he can come out of his enviornment and fight where legends are immortalized.

[Antwuan Maxx]

I don't think 2oz. of padding is going to make a difference ... if Cotto's power is evident, then it won't matter if he was wearing 16oz gloves.

Thats just an excuse not to have the home court advantage ... he has a problem with fighting on the west coast because so many fighters have such deep fan bases there.

This is where PBF's comment on him not having a deep fan base outside of NY and PR.

He doesn't even have support of the casual fan and thats most important when building a mega fight ... who's going to be his guest? ... chi chi rodriguez? ... no one knows who he is.

All the top black stars are at the fights supporting Floyd; Jordan, Denzel, Magic, Barkley, Snipes, Mary J. Blidge, Jay-Z, Diddy, Usher, along with a long list of others ... thats who's getting close ups on fight night ... and those are the ones influencing fans to pay $2,500 for a ringside seat.

I don't think as of now Cotto will not bring any fans to an arena ... and have them pay top dollar for ringside seats ... he doesn't have that kinda star power.

Tito did, but not Cotto ...

Yeah, that's why Cotto-Gomez had more in attendance than Mayweather-Baldomir did. Many of those stars who you mention "trickled out the arena" before the fight was even over as Merchant said. Some support.

[fitzgeraldz]

Yeah, that's why Cotto-Gomez had more in attendance than Mayweather-Baldomir did. Many of those stars who you mention "trickled out the arena" before the fight was even over as Merchant said. Some support.

You have proof of that? ...

I didn't know the attendance was announce during either fight ... and if i'm not mistaken PBF did 350k buys with an unknown Baldomir while ... Cotto had to co-headline a venue with Margarito.

[Boom_Boom]

these 10oz gloves are alot more bigger than what many people make them out to be.

they do make a significant factor

[fitzgeraldz]

these 10oz gloves are alot more bigger than what many people make them out to be.

they do make a significant factor

If he's landing punches, it doesn't make a different about the size ... they spar and train with 12-16oz gloves.

If he's landing I doubt the glove sides will effect the outcome of the fight. Thats what its all about ...:good

[Antwuan Maxx]

You have proof of that? ...

I didn't know the attendance was announce during either fight ...


"A star-studded crowd of 9,427 at the Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino saw Mayweather win virtually every round and a unanimous decision despite injuring his hand midway through the fight."

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Both Cotto and Margarito were brutally efficient during knockout victories Saturday in their respective welterweight title fights before an enthralled crowd of 9,724 at Boardwalk Hall.

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You have proof of that? ...and if i'm not mistaken PBF did 350k buys with an unknown Baldomir

If I'm not mistaking, PBF also fought Sharmba Mitchell in Bumfuck, Oregon on regular HBO after fighting Gatti on PPV, in front of 7,000 fans.

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while ... Cotto had to co-headline a venue with Margarito.

Please don't tell me you're trying to imply that Margarito is a draw. :lol:

[fitzgeraldz]

The boardwalk was sold out when he fought Gatti - it sold out in a day.

[fitzgeraldz]

7,000 fans in a very small boxing market is good ... Cotto couldn't do that ... and the fact that he was able to get than many fans says alot, especially against Sharmba Mitchell. Michael Jordan and Phil Knight were present when he fought.

[Antwuan Maxx]

The boardwalk was sold out when he fought Gatti - it sold out in a day.

And that's all because of Floyd, right?

[fitzgeraldz]

It was Gatti's home turf and Floyd took him out on his home turf ... something that Cotto has never done ... Floyd also beat a reigning champion for his title, unlike fighting for a vacant belt.

A champion is going to fight hard to retain his belt ... Cotto has never experienced that.

[Antwuan Maxx]

It was Gatti's home turf and Floyd took him out on his home turf ... something that Cotto has never done ... Floyd also beat a reigning champion for his title, unlike fighting for a vacant belt.


Hilarious. What did Floyd say about Gatti before the fight? "He' aint a real champion..he's a paper champion. He's a C-class fighter and only got a belt because they stripped Kostya Tszyu."


A champion is going to fight hard to retain his belt ... Cotto has never experienced that.

You make it seem like Gatti was the man to beat at 140. :lol: There's a reason why Max Kellerman said before the fight it was "the biggest PPV mismatch since Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson." Gatti was a beaten man before he even entered the ring, evidenced by him getting startled by the explosion during his ring entrance. Nobody gave Gatti a chance in that fight, and the ones who did were simply wishfully thinking. Him holding a belt wasn't gonna do anything to increase his chances in that fight.

[kirk]

OF COURSE margarito doesnt care if they use bigger gloves.... lol... hes the one getting punched, and hes the bigger man!

i hope they DONT fight there and that they get to wear 8's. I hope cotto cuts margarito up

[kirk]

But back to the gloves... Why is Margie in favor of soft gloves? Cuz Cotto is going to cut him up like Zorro. exactly :good

[fitzgeraldz]

Psychological Profile on Fitzgeraldz: Undercover, south American Indian variety with bitterness towards all things Puerto Rican. Perhpas stemming from a recent stint selling seedless grapes on a local backroad in Michigan, or maybe it's the inferior non-mulatto Cock that has Fitz losing sleep. Overall this herb is a hater and talks SO much BS, whilst trying to keep a Larry Merchant face going.

Sad when Mayweather Groupies have more courage than Mayweather actually does when it comes to fighting Cotto.

But back to the glove situation... Why are you trying to save Maragrito's face with that extra 2 ounces on those pillow mitts?? You know Cotto s going to carve that shyt up... WHy are you so desperate in trying to make sense of 10oz gloves??

Margarito is NOT on Cotto's level. If you think Beating Cintron is any indication... than bet some $$ on july 26th.. :hi:


What you wrote was sooo gay ...:blood

[fitzgeraldz]

Hilarious. What did Floyd say about Gatti before the fight? "He' aint a real champion..he's a paper champion. He's a C-class fighter and only got a belt because they stripped Kostya Tszyu."




You make it seem like Gatti was the man to beat at 140. :lol: There's a reason why Max Kellerman said before the fight it was "the biggest PPV mismatch since Lennox Lewis vs. Mike Tyson." Gatti was a beaten man before he even entered the ring, evidenced by him getting startled by the explosion during his ring entrance. Nobody gave Gatti a chance in that fight, and the ones who did were simply wishfully thinking. Him holding a belt wasn't gonna do anything to increase his chances in that fight.

Ricky Hatton is the man at 140 and Floyd beat him ... when all were saying that he was the guy Floyd shouldve been fighting in the first place.

[the_what]

Las Vegas is the worst place to fight. The crowd never gets into the fight. Cotto/Margarito should be held in either MSG, Boardwalk or Home Depot Center.

[kirk]

Las Vegas is the worst place to fight. The crowd never gets into the fight. Cotto/Margarito should be held in either MSG, Boardwalk or Home Depot Center. yeup... vegas theres more people going to just see some high profile fight, with no love for the sport really, or the fighters fighting.

[Antwuan Maxx]

Ricky Hatton is the man at 140 and Floyd beat him ... when all were saying that he was the guy Floyd shouldve been fighting in the first place.

Yeah, about two years earlier when they were both at junior welterweight. Not 2 years and 4 fights later at a weight Hatton proved he wasn't suited for.

[Ambition_Def]

Oh please. Margo is not afraid of small or big gloves or that midget either. Don't try and push this shit on Margo when the man will go anywhere to fight anybody. He's proven this more than once in his career.

I fully expect the fight to come off. If it doesn't then boxing sucks ass. Plain and simple.

[Doomas]

Ricky Hatton is the man at 140 and Floyd beat him ... when all were saying that he was the guy Floyd shouldve been fighting in the first place.

Ehmm after fight with Oscar last year, ppl here were talking only about Mosley, Cotto, Wright and something bigger and more important legacy wise for Floyd...I dont remember ppl who wanted to see Hatton versus Floyd.
Sorry but Hatton vs Floyd was hype fight, it ment nothing to hardcore boxing fans, coz everyone knew that Floyd was on another level years ago.

[Spitbucket]

OF COURSE margarito doesnt care if they use bigger gloves.... lol... hes the one getting punched, and hes the bigger man!

i hope they DONT fight there and that they get to wear 8's. I hope cotto cuts margarito up

The bias against Margarito is starting already:patsch

Some of you are acting like AM is trying to get some edge here when it is actually COtto who's starting to make the demands.

All Margo is saying is I don't care where, when and how let's just make the fight:bbb

[pit]

yeup... vegas theres more people going to just see some high profile fight, with no love for the sport really, or the fighters fighting.


This is what its all about , "numbers" love has nothing to do with the bottom line ,or who a fan or who's not as long as there paying thats all that matters.

We as a boxing fans need to face the fact , if only boxing fans attended boxing shows , then boxer would be broke and the sport it self would die off.

in the last 25 years there has only been three mega boxing stars know world wide ..listed in order Mike Tyson, Oscar Delahoya , and Tito Trinidad .. No other fighter have come close to generating the number these three fighter have, and now that there gone , so is there fan base.

[bronx]

Yeah, that's why Cotto-Gomez had more in attendance than Mayweather-Baldomir did. Many of those stars who you mention "trickled out the arena" before the fight was even over as Merchant said. Some support.

That is how I remember in the words of Charles Barkley "That fight was Terrrrible"