Cotto's Resume vs. Floyd's Last 10 fights

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Ok lets all be honest. I was bored so I tried to do some minor research and look at the two objectively. Now dont all get your panties in a bunch about the rankings. These came from four different sources, all internet and all supposed archives of the rankings all the way back to as far as 2000. As I look at both resumes Cottos opponents were 284-20 with 2 former world champions on his resume. Cotto and Judah. All the other belts were won by Cotto were VACATED titles. The WBO title was a vacant title as well as the WBA. The top ranked opponent on Cottos resume was Paulie who UNCONFIRMED Ranking at the time was 3. (This is only unconfirmed because I could not find more than one website or source that would agree with the ABC's current ranking at that time). There was no ranking for Gianluca Branco, that I could find so I didnt know where to put him.

Floyds opponents were 368-33 with 5 current or former world titlist on the resume. Floyd obtain all of his title by beating the current belt holder with the exception of the belt that Baldomir could not afford to keep. He fought Zab for that then fought Baldormir for the actual title. He took Gatti's title then moved up. Took a tune up with Mitchell, fought a just beaten Zab, beat Baldi for his title, beat Oscar for his "title" and defended his WBC belt against Ricky. According to the INTERNET, and Several Boxings Archives Floyd while he hasnt cleaned out any division, he has fought what seems to be tough competion.

Even if we take the same time span of fights from Floyds, meaning fights 18 -30 like Cottos, youd have to compare his list to Floyds list which would add Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales and two Jose Luis Castillo fights. Which in reality would really outshine anything cotto has done at this point. Now in all objectivity there doesnt seem to be any comparison of the two. The thing that goes against Floyd is his only fighting one or two time a year. That sux for us but for him its business and what can we say.

What also goes against Floyd is his decision to box and not KO every opponent much the way Cotto destroys his opponents. However this is also a negative for Cotto because according to the research non of these guys are top tier. Sugar Shane was a great win, but at 36 its no different than Floyd fighting DLH.

Some have even said that Cotto has a better WW record but to date he has only faced 2 of the top 10 WW; the same number as Floyd. We may not like the comp but Zab bought the belt and lost and Baldomir won the belt and lost. Please dont mention Urkal in the same sentence with Judah and Mosely plus Floyd would have KO'd Judah if not for the Low Blow and Shane had a toothache so we dont know what would've happened.

Other notes: Cotto wont fight anywhere away from a heavy P-Rican population. And has been the recipient of two questionable fights. He didnt clearly beat Corley. Anyone who saw the fight saw Corley take the knee and the Puerto Rican ref stopped the fight. The SSM was not a clear win either and righfully so.

Floyd doesnt seem to want to leave Vegas as he is star struck and that is his hometown.

Overall question:
Can anyone really tell me by looking at the competion and/or resumes that you give Cotto a SERIOUS chance to beat FLOYD if they fought TOMORROW? Dont use your love for Cotto and Hatred for Floyd or vice versa to make your case. Just look at the facts. Floyd, with the exception of JLC 1 and DLH who was 16 pounds heavier looks the same with all of his comp handpicked or not: spectacular. Cotto look absolutely the same, BUT according to MINOR research its against LESSER TIER COMPETION.

Thanks for taking the time to read this novel. Since they cancelled Rob and Big, I dont have much to do!

[HitBattousai]

Floyd has a better overall resume than Cotto.

Cotto has a better Welterweight resume than Floyd.

And if Cotto beats Margarito, he will, in essence, have beaten all the well-established upper-tier fighters in the division other than Mayweather. While plenty think he's already doing it, if Floyd doesn't fight Cotto at that point, he is openly ducking him.

[Illmatic]

good post...good to see someone taking the time to compare the two objectively.

[G_RapPBF]

Great post :good

As I've said many times, even the Floyd Hater Bitches (FHB's) know that Floyd would thump this dude around the ring, and that the p4p number 1 has taken on the better competition throughout his career suffering far less damage then Cotto. Floyd went out and beat Oscar with a double punch count and a double percentage landed. Cotto goes out and runs from Mosley(supposed to be a slugger) and lands the same with Mosley landing more power shots I believe. Silly comparison. A proven champ against a guy who just took on a friggin reality tv show contestant. Somebody pray for your boy against Margarito.

[C Money]

Cotto has fought better fighters at 147 being more active and having higher quality fights.

Cotto -Quintana, Urkal, Judah, SSM, and Gomez all since 12/06 to PRESENT! Margarito for this summer while Floyds facing DLH.
Floyd has fought Judah, Baldo, DLH, and Hatton from 04/06 to PRESENT

Thats 3-2 in top WW's, which could be 4-2 after Margarito.:good
Cotto is without doubt THE #1 contender who will have basically cleaned 47. The only thing left is the fight. I'll be damned for eternity if Hatton deserves a second shot OVER Cotto:-( :-(

Good post in that you spent time and had a nice presentation. But does one really need projections at this point? The records and accomplishments are CLEAR. The only way 2 find out is when the bell rings:good

Cotto's doint it at 147, Floyd's doin it again 2 re-runs.:-(

[G_RapPBF]

Cotto has fought better fighters at 147 being more active and having higher quality fights.


:lol: :lol: Boy oh boy your a bum. Cotto fought Quintana, Judah and Mosley. Floyds fought Hatton, Judah and Baldo. urkal? :rofl :rofl

Listen chump, Mayweathers win over De La Hoya means more because he actually won that fight. Cotto scored a draw against Mosley. Because when you land the same amount of punches and the other guy lands more power shots, thats a draw, he may have looked pretty running away from Mosley but that dont win fights, the Judges needed a new golden boy and they got him. Besides that, you cant honestly say ones welterweight record is better then the others. No doubt you will cuz your a chump, but look at the facts.

Stop pmsing over whether Floyd will paste this guy. Its going to happen, just make sure you remind Cotto not to get his ass dusted against Margarito. Margarito will finish his ass unlike Torres and Corley should have done.

[kg0208]

:lol: :lol: Boy oh boy your a bum. Cotto fought Quintana, Judah and Mosley. Floyds fought Hatton, Judah and Baldo. urkal? :rofl :rofl

Listen chump, Mayweathers win over De La Hoya means more because he actually won that fight. Cotto scored a draw against Mosley. Because when you land the same amount of punches and the other guy lands more power shots, thats a draw, he may have looked pretty running away from Mosley but that dont win fights, the Judges needed a new golden boy and they got him. Besides that, you cant honestly say ones welterweight record is better then the others. No doubt you will cuz your a chump, but look at the facts.

Stop pmsing over whether Floyd will paste this guy. Its going to happen, just make sure you remind Cotto not to get his ass dusted against Margarito. Margarito will finish his ass unlike Torres and Corley should have done.
You said look at that facts right after changing the actual outcome of a fight to make your point:rofl:rofl

Cotto beat Mosley. Mayweather beat DLH. Mosley beat DLH too.....

[C Money]

:lol: :lol: Boy oh boy your a bum. Cotto fought Quintana, Judah and Mosley. Floyds fought Hatton, Judah and Baldo. urkal? :rofl :rofl

Listen chump, Mayweathers win over De La Hoya means more because he actually won that fight. Cotto scored a draw against Mosley. Because when you land the same amount of punches and the other guy lands more power shots, thats a draw, he may have looked pretty running away from Mosley but that dont win fights, the Judges needed a new golden boy and they got him. Besides that, you cant honestly say ones welterweight record is better then the others. No doubt you will cuz your a chump, but look at the facts.

Stop pmsing over whether Floyd will paste this guy. Its going to happen, just make sure you remind Cotto not to get his ass dusted against Margarito. Margarito will finish his ass unlike Torres and Corley should have done.

STFU you 16 year old twat:good


Hatton was 40 Champ not a real WW. See DLH at 54.

I'm smoking U!! SSM beat DLH Prime and is at 47, DLH couldnt beat Shane and wasnt/isnt beating PBF all the years later. SSM was nothing more than a bargaining chip Floyd played to get DLH. Again GBP wasn not making SSM vs PBF when it was PBF and Oscar talking the fight.:deal

PBF beat DLh but didnt DOMINATE!! Floyd goes into lulls and is content to win the points. DLH lost the last 2 rounds and that cost him the fight. Floyd will turn it up this time and win UD.

Cotto beat Shane and Shane himself admits it. You running those lips! Spit, wind shit, and excitement flying everywhere,:-(


Cotto's cleaned the division while floyd's playing games:scaredas:

[G_RapPBF]

You said look at that facts right after changing the actual outcome of a fight to make your point:rofl:rofl

Cotto beat Mosley. Mayweather beat DLH. Mosley beat DLH too.....

Yep, only difference is Floyd BEAT Oscar. The other 3 are disputed.

[kg0208]

Yep, only difference is Floyd BEAT Oscar. The other 3 are disputed.
By SD....sounds disputed to me.

Cotto won by UD. Mosley won by UD and SD. Those are the facts, which is what you want to go by.

[G_RapPBF]

I guess fou forgot to mention that cotto land3ed at a higher % in that fight you must have forgot. also cottos power shots were more telling than mosley.....and please dont try to defend him when even mosley admitted he lost the fight so did bhop:thumbsup :thumbsup

Mosley admitted he lost the fight because he's a nice guy. The punch stats say other wise. Mosley chasing Cotto around the ring say otherwise. The power shots 177-150 say otherwise.

[C Money]

Yep, only difference is Floyd BEAT Oscar. The other 3 are disputed.

Sorry Super Lips Prime SSM vs Prime DLH was fought at147 and there was NO DISPUTE!! SSM beat DLH:good

[kg0208]

Mosley admitted he lost the fight because he's a nice guy. The punch stats say other wise. Mosley chasing Cotto around the ring say otherwise. The power shots 177-150 say otherwise.

What do the punch stats say about Castillo vs Mayweather 1 ?

[C Money]

Mosley admitted he lost the fight because he's a nice guy. The punch stats say other wise. Mosley chasing Cotto around the ring say otherwise. The power shots 177-150 say otherwise.

If SSM was Chasing Cotto? what the fuck was Baldo doing to Mayweather:lol:

I tell ya, FLOYD FANS are the worst:good

[G_RapPBF]

By SD....sounds disputed to me.

Golden Boy judges. The fight was over after the 8th.

Cotto won by UD. Mosley won by UD and SD. Those are the facts, which is what you want to go by.

Sorry my facts go deeper. Mosley outlanded Cotto rounds 6-5 with one even. Mosley outlanded Cotto power shots rounds 9-3.

Wheres the W? I dont see it? :nono

[G_RapPBF]

If SSM was Chasing Cotto? what the fuck was Baldo doing to Mayweather:lol:

I tell ya, FLOYD FANS are the worst:good

First off foo. Mayweather had a broken hand. Second off Floyd boxed with a purpose. Hit and not get hit. Apparently Cotto forgot the not get hit part.

[kg0208]

Golden Boy judges. The fight was over after the 8th.



Sorry my facts go deeper. Mosley outlanded Cotto rounds 6-5 with one even. Mosley outlanded Cotto power shots rounds 9-3.

Wheres the W? I dont see it? :nono
Your facts aren't facts. Compubox has a margin for error since it is scored by humans. And if you can call into question the judges, I can call into question the fingers of some random people.

Only facts here are based on subjectivity if you want to go that rout. So you either stick with the facts or throw them out. Your choice. You brought it up.

As it is, with the way you have framed the discussion, Mosley beat DLH 2 times and Cotto beat Mosley by UD. Mayweather beat DLH by SD. It is what it is.

And as I asked. If you are so caught up on these compubox stats, what do they say about Castillo vs Mayweather 1?

[G_RapPBF]

Sorry Super Lips Prime SSM vs Prime DLH was fought at147 and there was NO DISPUTE!! SSM beat DLH:good

LOL there was a dispute scrub. By the fact Oscar said "I dispute this"

Tell me scrub Mosley was on roids aswell. What does that say about Oscar?

[C Money]

First off foo. Mayweather had a broken hand. Second off Floyd boxed with a purpose. Hit and not get hit. Apparently Cotto forgot the not get hit part.

First off to last off, excuses, excuses, excuses!! That and BS is all you seem good 4:-(

Baldo aint SSM you idiot. He aint Marg eitrher and Floyd wouldnt fight him either:lol:

[G_RapPBF]

What do the punch stats say about Castillo vs Mayweather 1 ?

Mayweather had a torn rotator cuff. Should have been given the L. But unlike Cotto, Mayweather immediatley challenged Castillo to a rematch and did his thing. That was also Mayweathers first fights at lightweight. coward my ass. :rofl :rofl

[G_RapPBF]

Still waiting ur response to thi G-pbf rap


:lol: :lol: Sharamba Mitchell? Wasnt that a filler fight for Mayweather? So Sharamba Mitchell was a former world champion. The type Floyd chooses as his fillers or warm ups. And Cotto takes fuckin Gomez. :nut

[kg0208]

Mayweather had a torn rotator cuff. Should have been given the L. But unlike Cotto, Mayweather immediatley challenged Castillo to a rematch and did his thing. That was also Mayweathers first fights at lightweight. coward my ass. :rofl :rofl
So he lost according to you....good to see some consistancy.

It wasn't Mayweather's first fight at LW. He fought Augustus there. And his challenging Castillo to a rematch was good. However, most of press row scored it for Castillo that night. Not the same scenario with Mosley vs Cotto, where Cotto was considered the winner by most.

[G_RapPBF]

First off to last off, excuses, excuses, excuses!! That and BS is all you seem good 4:-(

Baldo aint SSM you idiot. He aint Marg eitrher and Floyd wouldnt fight him either:lol:

You and your boy brought it up scrub. I was comparing Oscar with Mosley, who are at the same level and fought eachother to real close decisions. Floyd dominated Oscar on the punch stats, Mosley beat Cotto on the punch stats. See yet scrub?

I was merely showing that when floyd runs he wins by lopsided counts. When Cotto runs he barely outpoints Mosley. :deal

[kg0208]

You and your boy brought it up scrub. I was comparing Oscar with Mosley, who are at the same level and fought eachother to real close decisions. Floyd dominated Oscar on the punch stats, Mosley beat Cotto on the punch stats. See yet scrub?

I was merely showing that when floyd runs he wins by lopsided counts. When Cotto runs he barely outpoints Mosley. :deal
Yes, Mosley and Baldomir are comparable. And you brought up punch stats. I just pointed out another scenario. You provided the excuse on your own.

Bottom line. Mosley and Quintana are better wins at 147 than Baldomir and Hatton.

[G_RapPBF]

how many fighters have ko sharamba alot ,,gomez only 1,, sharamba a blown up jr ww, gomez a jr middle who fought at 168

Lol. gomez only fought like 10 fights. Thats not alot of opportunities to get KO'd especially on reality tv, you might scare children.

Listen kid, Sharamba is a former champ, at one time him and Tszyu were touted as the best in the 140lb division. Did Gomez even win contendeR? :rofl

[C Money]

You and your boy brought it up scrub. I was comparing Oscar with Mosley, who are at the same level and fought eachother to real close decisions. Floyd dominated Oscar on the punch stats, Mosley beat Cotto on the punch stats. See yet scrub?

I was merely showing that when floyd runs he wins by lopsided counts. When Cotto runs he barely outpoints Mosley. :deal

No they arent:nono SSM is the better fighter of the 2. You can talk career all ya like. SSM is better head to head and at 147 as DLh wants 54. Again go watch SSM vs DLH1, learn something:good

You merely showed u know exactly shit about BOXING!!!
Comparing fights against Baldo and SSM are entirely different scenarios. SSM would beat the bejesus outta Baldo. They arent close in skill level at all.

[G_RapPBF]

Your facts aren't facts. Compubox has a margin for error since it is scored by humans. And if you can call into question the judges, I can call into question the fingers of some random people.

I didnt call into question the judges. I called into question Cotto's ability. I didnt say oh the judges favored him. I KNOW they favored him. Im calling into question the quality of his win over Mosley. Which even if you dont take the compubox numbers into account, was an extremely close fight with Cotto on his bike the last 2 rounds against a guy a decade his senior! :smoke

[Only facts here are based on subjectivity if you want to go that rout. So you either stick with the facts or throw them out. Your choice. You brought it up.

Uhh compubox stats ARE FACTS. :rofl

As it is, with the way you have framed the discussion, Mosley beat DLH 2 times and Cotto beat Mosley by UD. Mayweather beat DLH by SD. It is what it is.


Sorry you cant pick and choose what facts you take. Fact is, according to compubox, Mosley and Cotto were even, DLH and Mosley were even, Floyd and DLH was a boxing clinic.

[G_RapPBF]

No they arent:nono SSM is the better fighter of the 2. You can talk career all ya like. SSM is better head to head and at 147 as DLh wants 54. Again go watch SSM vs DLH1, learn something:good

SSM is the better fighter of the 2? :rofl Again the irrelevance in your posts is astounding. Not even including the fact that the fights were virtual stalemates, nor the fact that Mosley was juiced. But brilliant deduction scrub. :lol:

You merely showed u know exactly shit about BOXING!!!
Comparing fights against Baldo and SSM are entirely different scenarios. SSM would beat the bejesus outta Baldo. They arent close in skill level at all.

Again where am I comparing Baldo to SSM you scrub? You and your boy brought that up. I was comparing Mayweathers win against Dela Hoya to Cotto's decision against Mosley.

I will call it a decision because thats what it was. It wasnt a win. :bbb

[1lehudson]

Shane beat Oscar clean in the first fight. The second fight...Not so much...Most people felt that Oscar won the rematch. I personally wasnt one of them. However it was a pretty even fight, I think I had Shane winning 115-113. Either way both fights were close, and I dont think that Shane is much better then Oscar, in fact I would say that they were about even.

Now what I dont understand is How all of a sudden Oscar who fought Shane pretty much to a standstill is so much worst then Shane now??? Keep in mind Shane hasnt done a whole helluva lot since then. He beat Vargas so did Oscar, he lost to Wright, Oscar lost to Hopkins. Hopkins and Wright fought to a very close fight. Its pretty much a wash.

Now I know that this is 75% pure hatered of Floyd that is fueling this, I know because I had a clown on this vs site that said Cotto would/should get more credit for beatting Oscar should they fight because the fight would be exciting. One of the stupidest things I have heard in a long time and he was serious.

Cotto got a ton of credit for beatting Judah, after Floyd was bashed for even fighting him.

Its all getting so boring now, its the same thing. We were hearing the same things said about Jones, and Whitaker before him. Whoever is seen as the P4P guy is just a guy that gets hated on. It dont matter who they fight, it will always be the guy they didnt fight that would have been the one that would have beat him.

[C Money]

Shane beat Oscar clean in the first fight. The second fight...Not so much...Most people felt that Oscar won the rematch. I personally wasnt one of them. However it was a pretty even fight, I think I had Shane winning 115-113. Either way both fights were close, and I dont think that Shane is much better then Oscar, in fact I would say that they were about even.

Now what I dont understand is How all of a sudden Oscar who fought Shane pretty much to a standstill is so much worst then Shane now??? Keep in mind Shane hasnt done a whole helluva lot since then. He beat Vargas so did Oscar, he lost to Wright, Oscar lost to Hopkins. Hopkins and Wright fought to a very close fight. Its pretty much a wash.

Now I know that this is 75% pure hatered of Floyd that is fueling this, I know because I had a clown on this vs site that said Cotto would/should get more credit for beatting Oscar should they fight because the fight would be exciting. One of the stupidest things I have heard in a long time and he was serious.

Cotto got a ton of credit for beatting Judah, after Floyd was bashed for even fighting him.

Its all getting so boring now, its the same thing. We were hearing the same things said about Jones, and Whitaker before him. Whoever is seen as the P4P guy is just a guy that gets hated on. It dont matter who they fight, it will always be the guy they did fight that would have been the one that would have beat him.

There's no question in SSM vs DLh 1, NONE:good

Cotto has beaten more top WW's than Floyd and that amount increases if he beats Marg.

Its called REALITY TIME. Floyd cant excuse away Miguel Cotto when he's earned the peoples respect the ol fashioned way.

[G_RapPBF]

Now what I dont understand is How all of a sudden Oscar who fought Shane pretty much to a standstill is so much worst then Shane now???

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

:rofl :rofl Seriously you are brilliant man. You said what I've been trying to say all along, just more eloquently.

Why is Mosley rated higher then Oscar? Why is Oscar suddenly not rated at all? Why is Cottos win at 147 against Mosley more deserving of praise then Mayweathers win over Oscar at 154?

Madness I tell you. Or Floyd hater bitches. Take your pick lol.

[C Money]

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

:rofl :rofl Seriously you are brilliant man. You said what I've been trying to say all along, just more eloquently.

Why is Mosley rated higher then Oscar? Why is Oscar suddenly not rated at all? Why is Cottos win at 147 against Mosley more deserving of praise then Mayweathers win over Oscar at 154?

Madness I tell you. Or Floyd hater bitches. Take your pick lol.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Ding, ding, ding we have a real winner on our hands:lol:

SSM beat Floyd clearly the first time. Talk all the horse shit ya like,

WTF does that have to do with not fighting Cotto anyway? Cotto won UNANAIMOUS:yep

Floyd will beat DLh again and DLh was never the better man of SSM and DLh in their primes.:good

[1lehudson]

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Ding, ding, ding we have a real winner on our hands:lol:

SSM beat Floyd clearly the first time. Talk all the horse shit ya like,

WTF does that have to do with not fighting Cotto anyway? Cotto won UNANAIMOUS:yep

Floyd will beat DLh again and DLh was never the better man of SSM and DLh in their primes.:goodIt was a close fight, clean win?? yes, but not dominate. The second fight was even closer. If one were to make something of that you might say that Shane was sliding before Oscar:hey

I dont believe that, but some of you guys simple mold things into a shape that promotes your agenda.

If you were honest with yourself you would have to admitt that shane and oscar are pretty equal fighters.

However that really isnt the point. Point is we have seen Cotto get more credit for beatting the same guy that Floyd did, so in the end it wouldnt matter to you, now would it:good

Cotto has fought better because you and other like you have deemed it so...and thats the bottom line...End of story:hi:

[Antwuan Maxx]

Now what I dont understand is How all of a sudden Oscar who fought Shane pretty much to a standstill is so much worst then Shane now??? Keep in mind Shane hasnt done a whole helluva lot since then. He beat Vargas so did Oscar, he lost to Wright, Oscar lost to Hopkins. Hopkins and Wright fought to a very close fight. Its pretty much a wash.




DING DING DING! We have a winner!

:rofl :rofl Seriously you are brilliant man. You said what I've been trying to say all along, just more eloquently.

Why is Mosley rated higher then Oscar? Why is Oscar suddenly not rated at all? Why is Cottos win at 147 against Mosley more deserving of praise then Mayweathers win over Oscar at 154?

Madness I tell you. Or Floyd hater bitches. Take your pick lol.

Ummn, it could have something to do with Oscar being schooled by Felix Sturm and receiving a gift decision in the process. Then getting KTFO in controversial fashion by Hopkins. Oscar arguably lost 3 fights in a row before taking on Mayorga. But I guess a win of Mayorga put him back in business, huh? :lol: Yet, the very thought of Cotto facing Mayorga has been heavily criticized by Floyd fans. Still, without Mayorga Floyd wouldn't be holding his "6th title in 5th weight class"

[CJLightweight]

cotto has the better resume 140-147. He beat 2 current champs at LWW(i.e malignaggi and torres) who were in their prime. 1 current champ at WW quintana. Floyd, outpointed DLH at Jr.MW, took on a 140 lber hatton at 147 where he should fought hatton at 140 instead. We can take out judah since they both have judah on the list. And the only fighter there is for floyd is baldomir. So its clearly cotto.

But overall resume..floyd wins

[1lehudson]

Ummn, it could have something to do with Oscar being schooled by Felix Sturm and receiving a gift decision in the process. Then getting KTFO in controversial fashion by Hopkins. Oscar arguably lost 3 fights in a row before taking on Mayorga. But I guess a win of Mayorga put him back in business, huh? :lol: Yet, the very thought of Cotto facing Mayorga has been heavily criticized by Floyd fans. Still, without Mayorga Floyd wouldn't be holding his "6th title in 5th weight class":huh

[Beeston Brawler]

DLH was NOT schooled by Felix Sturm.

Maybe he lost the fight, but at the end of the day there were three judges at ringside who all gave him the decision, so not much else matters.

Floyd's win over Hatton was very impressive IMO - not many people have dared fight Hatton like that, the rest have been taken apart, though his win would have looked more impressive had it been at 140, which of course is Hatton's playground.

Cotto is a natural WW, whereas Floyd could be described as a manufactured one, though he carries the move up in weight exceptionally well. He has wins over some very good welters, Quintana and SSM, Zab has been caned a few times, whilst Floyd has wins over Baldomir, Hatton and DLH - two naturally bigger guys and one out of his comfort zone, so it is difficult to say.

If they were to get in there, Cotto would make it difficult for a while, but I would back Mayweather to figure him out by the sixth and grind out a UD - as he has done against pretty much all his recent opponents.

[Boxfan1]

I think PBF will outpoint Cotto, however, I don't rule out Cotto seriously hurting PBF and possibly Knocking TFO of him. Cotto should have a sign on him that says DANGER STAY BACK 500 FEET. Even with his incredible defense and speed, I don't see PBF avoiding Cotto's punches all night.

[Pimp C]

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Ok lets all be honest. I was bored so I tried to do some minor research and look at the two objectively. Now dont all get your panties in a bunch about the rankings. These came from four different sources, all internet and all supposed archives of the rankings all the way back to as far as 2000. As I look at both resumes Cottos opponents were 284-20 with 2 former world champions on his resume. Cotto and Judah. All the other belts were won by Cotto were VACATED titles. The WBO title was a vacant title as well as the WBA. The top ranked opponent on Cottos resume was Paulie who UNCONFIRMED Ranking at the time was 3. (This is only unconfirmed because I could not find more than one website or source that would agree with the ABC's current ranking at that time). There was no ranking for Gianluca Branco, that I could find so I didnt know where to put him.

Floyds opponents were 368-33 with 5 current or former world titlist on the resume. Floyd obtain all of his title by beating the current belt holder with the exception of the belt that Baldomir could not afford to keep. He fought Zab for that then fought Baldormir for the actual title. He took Gatti's title then moved up. Took a tune up with Mitchell, fought a just beaten Zab, beat Baldi for his title, beat Oscar for his "title" and defended his WBC belt against Ricky. According to the INTERNET, and Several Boxings Archives Floyd while he hasnt cleaned out any division, he has fought what seems to be tough competion.

Even if we take the same time span of fights from Floyds, meaning fights 18 -30 like Cottos, youd have to compare his list to Floyds list which would add Genaro Hernandez, Angel Manfredy, Diego Corrales and two Jose Luis Castillo fights. Which in reality would really outshine anything cotto has done at this point. Now in all objectivity there doesnt seem to be any comparison of the two. The thing that goes against Floyd is his only fighting one or two time a year. That sux for us but for him its business and what can we say.

What also goes against Floyd is his decision to box and not KO every opponent much the way Cotto destroys his opponents. However this is also a negative for Cotto because according to the research non of these guys are top tier. Sugar Shane was a great win, but at 36 its no different than Floyd fighting DLH.

Some have even said that Cotto has a better WW record but to date he has only faced 2 of the top 10 WW; the same number as Floyd. We may not like the comp but Zab bought the belt and lost and Baldomir won the belt and lost. Please dont mention Urkal in the same sentence with Judah and Mosely plus Floyd would have KO'd Judah if not for the Low Blow and Shane had a toothache so we dont know what would've happened.

Other notes: Cotto wont fight anywhere away from a heavy P-Rican population. And has been the recipient of two questionable fights. He didnt clearly beat Corley. Anyone who saw the fight saw Corley take the knee and the Puerto Rican ref stopped the fight. The SSM was not a clear win either and righfully so.

Floyd doesnt seem to want to leave Vegas as he is star struck and that is his hometown.

Overall question:
Can anyone really tell me by looking at the competion and/or resumes that you give Cotto a SERIOUS chance to beat FLOYD if they fought TOMORROW? Dont use your love for Cotto and Hatred for Floyd or vice versa to make your case. Just look at the facts. Floyd, with the exception of JLC 1 and DLH who was 16 pounds heavier looks the same with all of his comp handpicked or not: spectacular. Cotto look absolutely the same, BUT according to MINOR research its against LESSER TIER COMPETION.

Thanks for taking the time to read this novel. Since they cancelled Rob and Big, I dont have much to do!
Fanstastic post!:clap I appreciate your time and effort. Hopefully it will open the eyes of those who say PBF doesn't fight anyone bullshit.

[MancMexican]

Floyd's win over Oscar is hands down better than Cotto's over Mosley.

Floyd fought Oscar at least 2 weights above his prime weight whereas Cotto fought Mosley at Cotto's prime weight.

Cotto narrowly beat Mosley (I had him winning, but it was close)

Floyd easily beat DLH (split decision my arse!)


As a side note, Cotto has lots of years left to bulk out his resume so no point really comparing it to Floyd, who is at the end of his career

[Adaptation]

Great post.

Mayweather's resume is better, but a lot of those guys were washed up.

Cotto's resume is hot shot boxers.

Still, i would take Mayweather over Cotto, just looking at those resume.

[Antwuan Maxx]

:huh

:?

DLH was NOT schooled by Felix Sturm.

Maybe he lost the fight, but at the end of the day there were three judges at ringside who all gave him the decision, so not much else matters.

Did you even see the fight? Sturm couldn't miss Oscar. He peppered him all night with jabs and right hands. Then switched to southpaw and landed straight lefts at will. In the middle rounds, Oscar was telling Floyd Sr. "I can't move." :lol:



Floyd's win over Hatton was very impressive IMO - not many people have dared fight Hatton like that, the rest have been taken apart, though his win would have looked more impressive had it been at 140, which of course is Hatton's playground.



His fight with Luis Collazo suggests otherwise.

[Montero]

Floyd has a better overall resume than Cotto.

Cotto has a better Welterweight resume than Floyd.

Exactly.

Floyd's overall resume is better, mostly due to him having been in the pro ranks WAY longer than Cotto (give Miguel time to catch up). However, at 147 Cotto unquestionably has the better ledger.

[fitzgeraldz]

Out of Cotto's last 5 fights he only has one fighter that has acheived something of recent ... and 0 fighters that have achieved something before they fought Cotto.

Mosley and Judah hold the most weight but in Judah's case he was coming off 2 L's and a NC ... Mosley hadn't won a WW title since he beat DLH in 2000so it was a 7 year gap between him winning a WW title and the next time he fought for one.

That really says alot about those two ...

I don't understand how someone can say that his WW resume is better when he hasn't fought anyone.


Take a look at his last 10 fights ... only fighter even close to fighting Mayweather is SM ... he already beat Judah.

How does PBF win over Judah never gets considered when factoring in his WW resume?

How come Cotto has never beat a reigning champion when Floyd beat 3 since fighting at WW?

[Antwuan Maxx]

Out of Cotto's last 5 fights he only has one fighter that has acheived something of recent ... and 0 fighters that have achieved something before they fought Cotto.

Mosley and Judah hold the most weight but in Judah's case he was coming off 2 L's and a NC ... Mosley hadn't won a WW title since he beat DLH in 2000so it was a 7 year gap between him winning a WW title and the next time he fought for one.

That really says alot about those two ...

I don't understand how someone can say that his WW resume is better when he hasn't fought anyone.


Take a look at his last 10 fights ... only fighter even close to fighting Mayweather is SM ... he already beat Judah.

How does PBF win over Judah never gets considered when factoring in his WW resume?

How come Cotto has never beat a reigning champion when Floyd beat 3 since fighting at WW?

Name them.

[kg0208]

I didnt call into question the judges. I called into question Cotto's ability. I didnt say oh the judges favored him. I KNOW they favored him. Im calling into question the quality of his win over Mosley. Which even if you dont take the compubox numbers into account, was an extremely close fight with Cotto on his bike the last 2 rounds against a guy a decade his senior! :smoke

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Uhh compubox stats ARE FACTS. :rofl




Sorry you cant pick and choose what facts you take. Fact is, according to compubox, Mosley and Cotto were even, DLH and Mosley were even, Floyd and DLH was a boxing clinic.

You called into question the judges. You called them "Golden Boy Judges" when I said the DLH-PBF match was an SD.

Compubox stats are certainly not facts. Saying that gives me alot of insight into your actual knowledge of the sport. People counting punches and hitting a button certainly isn't an infallible system. And if you can imply biased judging, well....BTW, the judges decision are facts, even if based on subjective criteria.

As for your last statement. Amazing. To even be discussing this in this context, you have to be ignoring the fact that Mosley beat DLH 2 times and Cotto beat Mosley. You are trying to argue that they aren't real wins. But you want to argue "picking and choosing facts"? You're out of your depth here. Go talk to someone more your speed.

[saul_ir34]

So what rankings are these??? They cant be the ring rankings

[fitzgeraldz]

Name them.

DLH at 154
Judah IBF
Baldomir WBC
Hatton former WBA WW champ only months removed from vacating his title.

[saul_ir34]

Are these Boxrec rankings!!!!!????

[Antwuan Maxx]

DLH at 154
Judah IBF
Baldomir WBC
Hatton former WBA WW champ only months removed from vacating his title.

Murderer's row. I mean Tata Baldomir? So what he had around 9 losses and 6 draws, he had a belt. Nevermind Ricky Hatton was a junior welterweight, who arguably lost in his only performance at 147 and looked so bad he scurried his little "midget" (aint that what Floyd called him during 24/7?) ass back down to 140. And then the always dependable Zab Judah, who was coming off a loss to the aforementioned Tata. Not to mention, the part time crossdresser/promoter/fighter who had fought 6 rounds in 3 years, winning his title against an opponent who has been dubbed as a disgrace for a potential fight with Cotto. Spare me.

[the_what]

Boxing isnt a numbers game. Its not baseball. We wont know how the fight goes down until it actually happens. :deal

[acb]

Overall question:
Can anyone really tell me by looking at the competion and/or resumes that you give Cotto a SERIOUS chance to beat FLOYD if they fought TOMORROW? Dont use your love for Cotto and Hatred for Floyd or vice versa to make your case. Just look at the facts. Floyd, with the exception of JLC 1 and DLH who was 16 pounds heavier looks the same with all of his comp handpicked or not: spectacular. Cotto look absolutely the same, BUT according to MINOR research its against LESSER TIER COMPETION.

Thanks for taking the time to read this novel. Since they cancelled Rob and Big, I dont have much to do!

I'm not as impressed with your post as others here are. Its clear you have your own biases and they have entered your thinking in this analysis. You dismiss many of Cotto's wins (like his win against Corley not being "clear", as if you couldnt see where that fight was going).

You also compare the competition of a prime fighter vs. a fighter that is coming up through the ranks. Floyd SHOULD have spent the past few years fighting superior competition. Younger fighters go through a developemental stage before fighting the guys at the top. Of course, Cotto is now reaching the point of fighting this type of competition. If he fights Margarito next, that will make Margarito, Mosely, and Judah three of his last four fights. If he fights Mayweather following that, that would be heavier competition during a two or three year period that Floyd has faced at any juncture. Now, he hasn't fought those fights, so I won't give him that credit. But I am showing you how you can easily show the other side of the arguement.

Your last question that I highlited shows your bias transparently. You act as if an arguement can't be made for a Cotto win based on competition and resume.

[sugarngold]

Who ranked Gatti #1 at junior welterweight when Hatton was the reigning champion at the time?

[Illmatic]

DLH at 154
Judah IBF
Baldomir WBC
Hatton former WBA WW champ only months removed from vacating his title.

Hatton= undisputed 140 lbs champion

[acb]

Floyd's win over Oscar is hands down better than Cotto's over Mosley.

Floyd fought Oscar at least 2 weights above his prime weight whereas Cotto fought Mosley at Cotto's prime weight.



Bullshit. Mosely is still a fighter, he isn't a traveling freakshow promoter who fights once a year or two to sustain his name and further his promotion company.

Mosely is by far the more effective fighter at this point.

[Illmatic]

Who ranked Gatti #1 at junior welterweight when Hatton was the reigning champion at the time?

He was #1 when Floyd fought him according to Ring. It was after his destruction of Leija and 2nd round kayo of dorin.

[Druid]

Mosley admitted he lost the fight because he's a nice guy. The punch stats say other wise. Mosley chasing Cotto around the ring say otherwise. The power shots 177-150 say otherwise.

You would say anything to try and win this point. Why not just wait for the fight to occur. Cotto is fighting Margo, which PBF avoided doing u'r argument doesn't hold water.

[acb]

Grap and Fitz simply have no credibility. I suggest you guys don't even argue with them.

[Monticello]

Overall, Floyd has the better resume out of the 2 fighters, but I think Cotto's Welterweight resume is more impressive than Mayweather's is. Cotto has beaten 2 former Undisputed Welterweight Champions in Zab Judah and Shane Mosley and destroyed Quintana who just recently upset Williams who was considered to be the next big thing at Welterweight. Floyd has also beaten 2 former undisputed Welterweight champions in Zab Judah and Carlos Baldomir, but I really don't can't see Judah nor Baldomir being able to beat Mosley at anytime. The thing is why did Floyd decide to fight Hatton in December when Hatton's last performance at 147 was arguably a loss against a non elite opponent? If Mayweather plans on boxing for a few more years, then he definitely has to face the winner of Cotto-Margarito or he will lose a lot more respect than he already has.

[KO Boxing]

:good

I enjoyed the first post. More sense than a number of the replies, such as the last post.

[Gandul]

First of all I got to say great post!! :thumbsup Also, I love Rob & Big so I am sad as well! :-( But I will like to take a moment and go thru your post and really debate couple of things.

1. Sugar Shane was a great win, but at 36 its no different than Floyd fighting DLH. Sorry, but I really feel that at this point SSM has more in the tank in comparison to ODLH. A) SSM beated ODLH to start with 2 times!! B) I believe that SSM has been more active in comparison to ODLH recently.

2. Other notes: Cotto wont fight anywhere away from a heavy P-Rican population. And has been the recipient of two questionable fights. He didnt clearly beat Corley. Anyone who saw the fight saw Corley take the knee and the Puerto Rican ref stopped the fight. The SSM was not a clear win either and righfully so.

Man, you can't hold this against Cotto. A) He doesn't make the decision on where he is going to fight, that Bob's job so please let's not penalize the guy for it.

I agree with you on the Corley fight. It was stop too soon but what was the 2nd fight? you mention that we received 2 questionable fights.

Definately the SSM fight was a clear win. Even SSM accepts the decision of what happen so please take that away from the post.

3. Can anyone really tell me by looking at the competion and/or resumes that you give Cotto a SERIOUS chance to beat FLOYD if they fought TOMORROW?

I definately give him a chance and here is why...
1. Cotto at WW is stronger and has greater pounching power in comparison to PBF.

2. At WW PBF has not fight an oponent in his pick. He has fought people who really do not have a chance of beating him with the exception of ODLH.

I believe that the fight will play out like this... You will see PBF doing his foot work (which is greater by the way) being on the defensive most of the time trying to counter punch, fighting backwards and trying to make Miguel look for him all the time. You will see Miguel trying to cut the ring presuring Floyd and getting him against the robes. One thing that I saw against ODLH was that when Floyd is on the defensive he stops throwing pounches :huh... If Miguel is able to put him on the defensive and make him stop trowing punches I believe that Miguel can work on his body, slow Floyd and wear him down.

What do you guys think? I don't think the fight will be one sided but I don't see Floyd's quicknes being higher than Cotto's power punch since he has good reflexes, decent speed and decent foot work.

[Druid]

Good counter-post Gandul.

18 months ago I would have given Cotto a chance, but a slight chance of an upset. However, after seeing how steady he has been at 147, seeing how well he not only handled Mosley & Judah's speed and power, but bettered them in both departments. Combined with the new wrinkles he has added to an already awesome arsenal and his activity. Now, Jux-to-position that against PBF's antics, competition and activity level and you simply have to give Cotto a very serious chance of toppling PBF. PBF is an amazing fighter, but anyone who doesn't give Cotto a chance is deluding themselves.

[Gandul]

Good counter-post Gandul.

18 months ago I would have given Cotto a chance, but a slight chance of an upset. However, after seeing how steady he has been at 147, seeing how well he not only handled Mosley & Judah's speed and power, but bettered them in both departments. Combined with the new wrinkles he has added to an already awesome arsenal and his activity. Now, Jux-to-position that against PBF's antics, competition and activity level and you simply have to give Cotto a very serious chance of toppling PBF. PBF is an amazing fighter, but anyone who doesn't give Cotto a chance is deluding themselves.

Thanks, that's my point. At 147, I think that Cotto has a serious chance. Bottom line, let's say that noone should be surprised if either fighter wins. Unless is a total 1 sided fight in which I don't see that.

Anyway, I hope Steve Forbes wins against ODLH jajajajajaj :good :woot :cheers :party

[C Money]

It was a close fight, clean win?? yes, but not dominate. The second fight was even closer. If one were to make something of that you might say that Shane was sliding before Oscar:hey

I dont believe that, but some of you guys simple mold things into a shape that promotes your agenda.

If you were honest with yourself you would have to admitt that shane and oscar are pretty equal fighters.

However that really isnt the point. Point is we have seen Cotto get more credit for beatting the same guy that Floyd did, so in the end it wouldnt matter to you, now would it:good

Cotto has fought better because you and other like you have deemed it so...and thats the bottom line...End of story:hi:

Again SSM beat DLH in their prime. He proved THAT NIGHT who the better fighter was. Its been polled numerous times throught the years and it's KNOWN SSM won. That SD the first time and Floyd's SD are both happy busllhist, given to DLH(Golden Boy), by inept or corrupt judges.

It's you who should perhaps check out some honesty.

Cotto has beaten more top WW's than Floyd. That's fact not perception. Its precisely why the perception is changing around the Floyd cheer leading squad:good

Cotto ko'd the same guy Floyd didnt:good Cotto has fought guy's Floyd WOULDNT. And you give Floyd credit?:lol:

:nono

[whit]

Cotto has the better resume at 147 and Floyd has the better overall. I would say the only reason Cotto has the better resume at 147 is because his win over Mosley. If he beats Margo then there shouldn't even be a dispute over who has the better resume.

THREAD ENDER!
:deal

[Tencount85]

The one common opponent they share on that list is Zab Judah and Cotto beat the shit out of him, worse then Floyd.

[acb]

The one common opponent they share on that list is Zab Judah and Cotto beat the shit out of him, worse then Floyd.

I don't see this as a legitimate knock on Floyd though. He beat him how Floyd beats fighters, and Cotto beat him how Cotto beats fighters. They both won, and convincingly.

[acb]

i have to disagree with you on that one b/c cotto ko judah and only lost 2 rounds and at the same time floud went the distance with zab and lost 5 rounds and a knock down wasnt counted so in my mind cottos win was more impressive and also remeber floyd fought judah at age 29 and cotto fought him at age 26

Floyd lost 3 or 4 rounds in my book, and then took over the fight.

It could just as easily be argued that Zab had Cotto hurt, and while got the flash KD on Mayweather, he never hurt him.

I don't rate one win over the other really, both were great in IMO.

[fitzgeraldz]

Murderer's row. I mean Tata Baldomir? So what he had around 9 losses and 6 draws, he had a belt. Nevermind Ricky Hatton was a junior welterweight, who arguably lost in his only performance at 147 and looked so bad he scurried his little "midget" (aint that what Floyd called him during 24/7?) ass back down to 140. And then the always dependable Zab Judah, who was coming off a loss to the aforementioned Tata. Not to mention, the part time crossdresser/promoter/fighter who had fought 6 rounds in 3 years, winning his title against an opponent who has been dubbed as a disgrace for a potential fight with Cotto. Spare me.

Why do you keep discrediting Floyd for the Baldomir victory because you don't think that Baldomir was on his level ... who gives a shit ... Baldomir had something that Floyd had to take ... his lineal undisputed title.

Judah was coming off a loss to Floyd and 400+ days of inactivity when he fought Cotto, so Cotto's win is much more tarnished because Zab hadn't had any rounds for over a year and was coming off 2L's and lost 3 of his last 4 ... I don't get why you discredit Floyd for his win against Zab but give Cotto all the credit in the world.

You arguement is getting repedetive and isn't making any sense ... you say that he hasn't fought anyone yet ... all the guys he's fought after fighting Sharmba Mitchell we established fighters and had accomplished something at the time they fought Floyd.

He's fought more champions than Cotto ... thats apparent and if you don't see that, then you're just a flat out hater.

There's no denying that Cotto is good but to give him so much credit and to put him a notch above Floyd based on having more fight at WW is ridiculous.

Floyd has fought the harder guys ... you can't tell me that anyone of those guys Cotto has fought would last against Floyd. Even Mosley ... he would get blownout to a UD ... he's shown that he can box and that his fame and accomplishments above lightweight come from fighting DLH and when he has attempt to unify title against anyone outside of DLH ... he's lost.

Maybe Cotto has fought more fights at WW but the truth is he isn't fighting anyone. He's just defending his belt ... if that gives him the better resume then hey he has the better resume.

Thats not boxing ...

[Ricky369]

Everything looks different depending on who is looking at it. Rankings look different in every organization. We also could point out that Malignaggi, Torres and Quintana are champions right now. So that tells you those boxers were comming up like Cotto and not going down the hill. If we only look at numbers then Ricky Hatton was 43-0 but we also know he looked very poor against Collazo. I can't wait to see Hatton against some other good 147lbs. Or maybe against Paulie or Torres. I would love to see that. But like Cotto would say. Is time to worry about Margarito. We can think about Floyd later.

[Ricky369]

Baldomir!!! Well, he had his moment of glory against Zab and Gatti. Same Gatti that got KO by Alfonso Gomez.

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