How hard does Joe Calzaghe hit?

[venomus_p4p]

I consider him a slaper but i wanna know what you guys think?

[onourway]

Hard enough.

[K0NPHL1C7]

Hard enough.

Just hard enough to make the ref and the judges think he's doing damage, but not hard enough to actually hurt any fighter worth a lick.

[McGrain]

He has good power. Hard for him to sit down on his punches with his bad hands.

[venomus_p4p]

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[ThePlugInBabies]

Just hard enough to make the ref and the judges think he's doing damage, but not hard enough to actually hurt any fighter worth a lick.

does a fighter have to be damaging his opponent every time he punches him? does it take away from fighters like sweet pea for instance who would land the leather but not always be inflicting damage on his opponent?

[Holmes' Jab]

I consider him a slaper but i wanna know what you guys think?


He's goin' to slap hard, and send Hopkins into retirement come tomorrow night. :deal

[rusticraver]

He mixes up the power of his shots. He can definately hurt you.

This slapping thing just keeps his opponents in la-la land and off balance and normally in those flurries theres a hard shot to the body or head in there

[Tony Harrison]

His hands have become more of an issue as the years have gone by, that's why most had Lacy down to beat him. If you watch footage of him from his early days as WBO Champion he was heavier handed, still fighting the same style with flurries of slaps with the odd meaningful blow here and there but he seemed to hurt tough opponents much more back then.

He still made a mess of Jeff Lacy's face and hurt Kessler to the body so he obviously doesn't merely dupe referees and judges the way K0NPHL1C7 is suggesting.

[Benjiabc]

I consider him a slaper but i wanna know what you guys think?


jeff lacy thought he was a slapper too:smoke

[Fallow]

Awesome KO record for much of his career, definitely not hitting nearly as hard now, but certainly hard enough.

[CJLightweight]

:gayfight

[rendog67]

he can hit pretty hard when he needs to

[rusticraver]

he keeps boasting that he hit lacy over 1000 times int he head yet he could not KO him and only put him down with about 900 shots, so yes he slaps



and shags sheep

To be fair he put lacy down and the dude was a tank

[Streets_Of_Gold]

They don't call him "slappy" Joe for nothin!
Maybe half his 1000 punches are slaps with the other half comprised of medium power punches.

[Holmes' Jab]

and shags sheep


How mature ... :dead

[Fallow]

Consensus opinion indicates that those calling him a slapper are horribly wrong. Nice try though kids.

[dave]

never been hit by him

[Decebal]

Hard enough to hurt Hopkins and stop him if Hopkins fights the wrong fight.

[Toopretty]

Lacy still called him a slapper after the fight..lol Thats why Lacy was damaged goods. The mental aspect of being bitch slapped around the ring for 12 rounds. If Calzaghe had ANY real power he would of STOPPED Lacy or hurt him more then he did after landing clean and flush with HIS POWER shots for 12 rounds. He could not even stop Lacy from coming forward. If I slap you 400 times I bet your face will show the damage, that dont mean shit. His slapping shots are good at causing swelling and irritating slapping pain.

[Shaolin Box]

I'm not a JC fan by any stretch but to say he "slaps" is just retarded. He may not be a knock out artest but he can hit hard enough to do the job.

[Bomber]

Does anyone knoe if their is any live streaming of the fight on the Internet?

[Beeston Brawler]

He could have stopped Lacy at any point following the third round IMO.

For me, he just wanted to impose maximum punishment on another overhyped Yank, and by going the distance, did just that.

To be fair to Lacy, it was probably the only thing he did right in the fight, showing bravery to make it through to the end.

[paynos]

I'm not a JC fan by any stretch but to say he "slaps" is just retarded. He may not be a knock out artest but he can hit hard enough to do the job.

wow...is that a sensible post i see regarding calzaghe and slapping? credit to ya, spot on.

[Toopretty]

He could have stopped Lacy at any point following the third round IMO.

For me, he just wanted to impose maximum punishment on another overhyped Yank, and by going the distance, did just that.

To be fair to Lacy, it was probably the only thing he did right in the fight, showing bravery to make it through to the end.

Shut the fuck up. He couldnt stop shit. He tried every single thing in his arsenal and actually sat on his punches...:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl "I just cant do it captain, I dont have the power!"

[goldnarms]

He could have stopped Lacy at any point following the third round IMO.

For me, he just wanted to impose maximum punishment on another overhyped Yank, and by going the distance, did just that.

To be fair to Lacy, it was probably the only thing he did right in the fight, showing bravery to make it through to the end.

:nono
Illogical/retarded.

A guy with bad hands wants to put another 500+ punches on them just to "impose maximum punishment"? Think dude..think.

[pelican]

not hard enough to earn the respect of critics. and oh, they say you can never satisfy critics.

i too think hes a slapper

[Beeston Brawler]

Are you just another Yankee doodle in denial?

If so, just admit your guy got totally owned and outclassed - I have only been watching boxing regularly for about four years, but that was the most one sided demolition job I have seen on a champion, in particular one who went in as an overwhelming favourite. Lacy in six was it?

:P

[RDJ]

Slapper. He landed a few hundred punches on Lacy without stopping him.

[K0NPHL1C7]

does a fighter have to be damaging his opponent every time he punches him? does it take away from fighters like sweet pea for instance who would land the leather but not always be inflicting damage on his opponent?

No he doesn't have to administer damage every shot, but there is a reason for the large white spot on the end of Olympic boxing gloves. That is the contact point in which a blow is considered a "scoring blow", in other words an effective punch. If we were to watch Calzaghe fight using Olympic gloves, it would be pretty clear that his "blows" are not effective punches; they are merely slaps, which wouldn't even be considered in scoring an Olympic bout.

Not saying that Professional boxing should be scored the same, just pointing out the fact that if his punches aren't even good enough to count in the amateurs, it's hard to regard him as a "puncher" in the professional rankings. He wins on hyperactivity, that's about it.

[boxbox]

multiple combinations seems to take away his power...its like he's controlling his power to generate more combos. Definitely above the average boxer.

[The taff]

Hits hits hard enough to get 32 stoppages, i think that says enough.

[MancMexican]

No he doesn't have to administer damage every shot, but there is a reason for the large white spot on the end of Olympic boxing gloves. That is the contact point in which a blow is considered a "scoring blow", in other words an effective punch. If we were to watch Calzaghe fight using Olympic gloves, it would be pretty clear that his "blows" are not effective punches; they are merely slaps, which wouldn't even be considered in scoring an Olympic bout.

Not saying that Professional boxing should be scored the same, just pointing out the fact that if his punches aren't even good enough to count in the amateurs, it's hard to regard him as a "puncher" in the professional rankings. He wins on hyperactivity, that's about it.

When he flurries he slaps granted, but under the above criteria he didn't slap against kessler.

[ghostlybadge]

hard enough that i would not like to get hit by him.

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[Nigel_Benn]

Im no Joe Calzaghe fan but Chris Eubank had an iron chin Benn who hits harder then Joe couldnt put Eubank down with a head shot and Carl Thompson a big crusierweight couldnt either yet Calzaghe floored him with one clean punch he may not be as big a hitter now cus of his hands but yes Joe can keep you honest.

[mattress]

His hand injuries are well documented. Watch his early fights and you can see that he was once a big puncher. Obviously he had to change his tactics once the injuries started.

[Fab2333]

Lacy still called him a slapper after the fight..lol Thats why Lacy was damaged goods. The mental aspect of being bitch slapped around the ring for 12 rounds. If Calzaghe had ANY real power he would of STOPPED Lacy or hurt him more then he did after landing clean and flush with HIS POWER shots for 12 rounds. He could not even stop Lacy from coming forward. If I slap you 400 times I bet your face will show the damage, that dont mean shit. His slapping shots are good at causing swelling and irritating slapping pain.

:deal

[MancMexican]

he said in a recent interview that these days when he tries a big punch with his left his hand hurts so he's adapted his tactics as a result. He still hits hard enough to make Kessler (whose never been down) back off.

[rusticraver]

he said in a recent interview that these days when he tries a big punch with his left his hand hurts so he's adapted his tactics as a result. He still hits hard enough to make Kessler (whose never been down) back off.

Would have KO'd him if it wasn't for the ref.. round 7 i think

[MancMexican]

The Lacy fight could've and should've been stopped several times and everyone with even half a brain knows that. He was out on his feet more than once and yes Joe didn't put him away but he ruined him as a fighter. And Lacy has a great chin. Haters obviously were dropped as children.

[Primadonna Kool]

Im no Joe Calzaghe fan but Chris Eubank had an iron chin Benn who hits harder then Joe couldnt put Eubank down with a head shot and Carl Thompson a big crusierweight couldnt either yet Calzaghe floored him with one clean punch he may not be as big a hitter now cus of his hands but yes Joe can keep you honest.

Chris Euabnk was runing forward into the punch and was off balance,Chris Euabnk got up off the floor laughing.

Get your facts right!

[Beeston Brawler]

I don't think he would have KO'd Kessler, but he was certainly giving it some and had Kessler in trouble.

[MancMexican]

Would have KO'd him if it wasn't for the ref.. round 7 i think

round 8, watched it again yesterday. I don't think he would've stopped him but I think we would've seen a turning point in the fight and perhaps Kessler going down. It was Joe's own fault. He hit Kessler behind the head a few times. That causes brain stem damage and is illegal for good reason. I don't blame the ref for telling him off there.

[Beeston Brawler]

The Lacy fight could've and should've been stopped several times and everyone with even half a brain knows that. He was out on his feet more than once and yes Joe didn't put him away but he ruined him as a fighter. And Lacy has a great chin. Haters obviously were dropped as children.

His corner should have pulled him out really. Was getting totally dominated, I was scoring a few of those rounds 10-8.

[MancMexican]

Chris Euabnk was runing forward into the punch and was off balance,Chris Euabnk got up off the floor laughing.

Get your facts right!

He didn't laugh. He smiled and nodded to Calzaghe. It was an acknowledgement of the punch. Get your own facts rights.

[Primadonna Kool]

He didn't laugh. He smiled and nodded to Calzaghe. It was an acknowledgement of the punch. Get your own facts rights.

It was not a damaging it was more of a technical knock down. Chris Eubank was way off balance, he laughed and nodded to Joe Calzaghe.

[Dorfmeister]

He has good power because he comes swinging fast and plays with leverage but he sacrifices most power for speed and volume of punches. Joe himself says that his left hand over the top and his left uppercut are his big punches... Well, he also says he has some pop behind his right lead but I think it's an accurate, fast scoring punch more than anything else. Hopkins is far more solid fundamentally because he moves behind his punches, doesn't put em together as he used to but still is able to unleash 3 punch combinations inside quite fast ( Winky fight).

[MancMexican]

It was not a damaging it was more of a technical knock down. Chris Eubank was way off balance, he laughed and nodded to Joe Calzaghe.

Agreed it was not damaging but it was a legitimate albeit flash knockdown. I suggest you watch it again because everything in Eubanks reaction showed acknowledgment and respect, not laughter. He's said himself after getting dropped he knew he was in for a fight.

[Primadonna Kool]

Agreed it was not damaging but it was a legitimate albeit flash knockdown. I suggest you watch it again because everything in Eubanks reaction showed acknowledgment and respect, not laughter. He's said himself after getting dropped he knew he was in for a fight.

Yes after the fight he said

"No wonder Steve Collins did'nt want to fight him"

Chris Eubanks performance against Joe Calzaghe was one of his best "taking into account he took it at 2 weeks notice/coming down from light heavyweight"...i always remember in the last round. Chris Eubank got Joe Calzaghe on the ropes, and Calzaghe feel forward.

"But Eubank never hit him again"

[MancMexican]

green calzaghe vs weight drained eubank so imo both factors cancel each other out.

yes, he did say that after the fight, but it wasnt the line I was referring to. It was in an interview and in specific reference to the punch that dropped him.

weight drained or not, putting eubank on the canvas isn't done by someone with no power

[BOOKA]

Since Calzaghe V Lacy, no American boxer has put in a performance of the standard that Joe put in that evening. Underdog completely and utterly outclassing a highly fancied champion. People can talk about his resume, but I'd rather talk about his skill as a boxer.

I still think its gonna be a difficlut fight for Joe, but Im confident he can win because he has more to his game and has great boxing talent and a great chin

[Primadonna Kool]

Not comparing them ,but Ali "slapped" with alot of his punches...

I have always thought Joe Calzaghe is a slightly bigger version of Oscar De La Hoya..with better stamina.

"Oscar De La Hoya..can throw a punch technically slightly better"

[sthomas]

How did Eubank vote in this pole? Mule? Pop?
Bryon Mitchell? Mule?
Manfredo? Slapper?
Kessler?

[MancMexican]

How did Eubank vote in this pole? Mule? Pop?
Bryon Mitchell? Mule?
Manfredo? Slapper?
Kessler?

Eubank 'He may look like he slaps sometimes, but he slaps hard.'

coming from a man with a granite chin that says a lot

but that was a decade ago, Joe never puts full power into his shots these days

[K0NPHL1C7]

Hits hits hard enough to get 32 stoppages, i think that says enough.

Against what level of oposition? The Peter Manfredos?

When he flurries he slaps granted, but under the above criteria he didn't slap against kessler.

No, but he didn't look all that great against Kessler either.

[Toopretty]

Since Calzaghe V Lacy, no American boxer has put in a performance of the standard that Joe put in that evening. Underdog completely and utterly outclassing a highly fancied champion. People can talk about his resume, but I'd rather talk about his skill as a boxer.

I still think its gonna be a difficlut fight for Joe, but Im confident he can win because he has more to his game and has great boxing talent and a great chin:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl oh shit..I Highly fancied champion or a guy that was an up and comer who just got a championship in less then 20 fights. That fight was to see IF Lacy was the real deal. NOBODY, nobody that knows boxing compared him to Mike Tyson. His only attribute was his physique and toughness. He already looked average and tried to force knockouts against lesser opponents. PS nobody cares about what SHOWTIME says pumping up there own fighter who happend to draw a good sized crowd.

[MancMexican]

Against what level of oposition? The Peter Manfredos?



No, but he didn't look all that great against Kessler either.

That's a matter of opinion. Kessler was a dangerous opponent who huge amounts of people picked to beat Joe, and Calzaghe beat him convincingly.

[ThePlugInBabies]

PS nobody cares about what SHOWTIME says pumping up there own fighter who happend to draw a good sized crowd.

that's the thing. you know, i know and everyone here knows that 90% of the online boxing community, boxing fans worldwide and the media were convinced that lacy was going to smash calzaghe as if he meant nothing.

lacy was the big muscle bound, all american hero and calzaghe the weak overhyped, overproteced eurobum. that's the truth.

calzaghe fans can dine out on that win for the rest of their lives all they fucking want because of the shit that was spoken by most leading up to it about what big bad jeff was gonna do to the piss poor welshman.

[K0NPHL1C7]

you dont accumulate 32 tko/ko in 44 contests by being feather fisted. yes joe can hit, even with bad hands. is he a devastating KO puncher, no way.

Key word in that statement. Accumulate. His "tko/ko"'s come from accumulative punches, not power but activity.

[roly]

Just hard enough to make the ref and the judges think he's doing damage, but not hard enough to actually hurt any fighter worth a lick.

where's that pic of lacy?

[Vaile]

Key word in that statement. Accumulate. His "tko/ko"'s come from accumulative punches, not power but activity.


Exactly what i was going to say. I don't think pointing out the obvious is a disservice to Joe, He is a great fighter he just doesn't hit that hard. I don't really understand this debate in all honesty, this is boxing, power is just one of a myriad of abilities.

[Montero]

When he sits down on his punches, turns over on them and puts his lower body into them - he has decent power. However, this takes away from his game plan - which is to hit you with a whirlwind and confuse you.

[Fedor Em]

The power is not as good as it used to be because of his brittle hands but he can definately keep you honest and KO a fighter who does not have a good chin. Joe is also still more than capable of a TKO with sheer volume of punches.

[roly]

he dropped eubank and he's got a granite chin.

[Fat Joe]

he dropped eubank and he's got a granite chin.

Twice

[jc]

he used to have a lot more pop, but as he has gotten older he has taken the powerr out of his left hand.

He said on a interview on setanta that because of injuries he has gotten used to not throwing it with full power.

[venomus_p4p]

:gayfight

:lol:

[Guy]

Wrong!!! everyone of his opponents say he hit with enough power to gain their respect.

[fidds]

Wrong!!! everyone of his opponents say he hit with enough power to gain their respect.


How old is this thread :hang

[Gneus7]

Funny how he beats some quality without power. Fights with a completely different mentality to 99% of boxers

[Imperial1]

Jones admitted that those slaps were pretty hard when they fought . And ask Byron Mitchell what he thought of his slaps after Joe put him down .

[maradona]

i think its been obvious joe has fragile hands in his latter years, but i think his ko record is still pretty impressive for a slapper

[DaHead242]

Joe hit hard enough to keep you honest. He was very good at varying the power in his shots. This way you couldn't just rush in against him because he could buzz you with a well placed shot.

Seems odd talking about Joe in the past tense.

[platnumpapi]

man slaping a women is a good one.

[itrymariti]

Not very hard. He's a combination puncher who wears people down and throws awkward shots. He doesn't have great one-punch pop.

[FINITO]

He's a power slapper. A white Chris Byrd.

[Godfather]

95% of his punches are for the judges. The other 5% are average power shots

[cuchulain]

man slaping a women is a good one.



I guess that relegates all of his defeated opponents to the boxing status of women.


Or did you have some other meaning in mind for a man slapping a woman being good ?

[manbearpig]

GaLNmgInuAE

[miketysonko]

JC is an average puncher, but his slaps are pretty good.

[TommyV]

He was heavy handed but in the early stages of his career, such as when he knocked down Chris Eubank etc, and he had a very good KO percentage.

However hand troubles set in and he didn't sit down on his punches for fear of breaking them, and therefore his technique goes to shit aswell.

He has the power deep down but he can't use it because he's going to be fighting with broken hands for the rest of the fight.

[fidds]

Trouble is a lot of the yank posters never saw anything of him before he fought lacy so they think he only ever slapped :patsch

Boxing goes on all over the world btw :lol:

[manbearpig]

He had a granite jaw and he could bang in his younger years, as the video I posted demonstrates.

[DOM5153]

He had a granite jaw and he could bang in his younger years, as the video I posted demonstrates.

thread made me think of this fight straight away

[trampie]

Calzaghe KO'd or TKO'd 21 out of his first 22 opponents.

Then he got his first World title fight against granite chinned Chris Eubank, knocked him down but failed to stop him, the next 14 defences of his title he KO'd or TKO'd 9 out of the 14 opponents but damaged his hands in the middle of that run.

Calzaghe then only stopped 2 of his last 9 opponents.

Joe was always an attacking boxer, but his swarming 1000 punches a fight style only came after his hand injuries, which also coincided with Americans taking note of his fights {Lacy onwards}, but up until then Calzaghe was a slick boxer he was never a one punch merchant, he was always a combination knockdown artist, but never the less he was a knockdown artist before his hand injuries.

[Taylex]

Calzaghe KO'd or TKO'd 21 out of his first 22 opponents.

Then he got his first World title fight against granite chinned Chris Eubank, knocked him down but failed to stop him, the next 14 defences of his title he KO'd or TKO'd 9 out of the 14 opponents but damaged his hands in the middle of that run.

Calzaghe then only stopped 2 of his last 9 opponents.

Joe was always an attacking boxer, but his swarming 1000 punches a fight style only came after his hand injuries, which also coincided with Americans taking note of his fights {Lacy onwards}, but up until then Calzaghe was a slick boxer he was never a one punch merchant, he was always a combination knockdown artist, but never the less he was a knockdown artist before his hand injuries.

There is a big difference between a KO and a TKO especially when home town refs keep stopping fight prematurely.

[walk with me]

on a scale of 1-5

hes probably a 3

[boricua100%]

I dont think of him as a puncher, but that cut was caused by a pretty hard punch

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[DOM5153]

JC didnt have many fights stopped unfairly, but their was a few

[Joseph5620]

I consider him a slaper but i wanna know what you guys think?



He's a decent puncher. Not a one shot KO artist but he throws so many that they take their toll.

[Taylex]

I dont think of him as a puncher, but that cut was caused by a pretty hard punch

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Just because you cut somene does not prove that you great power. I could probably cut Hatton if he let me hit him because he is so cut prone.

[TommyV]

There is a big difference between a KO and a TKO especially when home town refs keep stopping fight prematurely.

They weren't home town stoppages. A lot were legit TKO's where he had the guy hurt, on the canvas multiple times or both.

The guy could bang in his earlier years, as is evident by the way he put down iron chinned Chris Eubank.

[Taylex]

They weren't home town stoppages. A lot were legit TKO's where he had the guy hurt, on the canvas multiple times or both.

The guy could bang in his earlier years, as is evident by the way he put down iron chinned Chris Eubank.

Dont exaggerate Eubank just lost his footing when Calzaghe Cliped him as he was moving backwards. Eubank got up immediately, literally on the cunt of 1.

Compare the Calzaghe Knockdown to RJJ with the one that JC inflicted on Eubank and then you will understand what being hurt/stunned really looks like.

[Kaki]

GaLNmgInuAE

look like power slaps to me.

[manbearpig]

Pish! He could bang, he came back brilliantly from a knock down, and showed great heart.

[David UK]

Not as hard as he used to, but he's obviously not featherfisted like say Paulie M otherwise he wouldn't have around 31 KOs out of 46 wins

[Kaki]

Pish! He could bang, he came back brilliantly from a knock down, and showed great heart.

no doubt.

[Taylex]

look like power slaps to me. Looks like hometown premature stoppage to me.

[Kaki]

Looks like hometown premature stoppage to me.

perhaps

[TommyV]

Dont exaggerate Eubank just lost his footing when Calzaghe Cliped him as he was moving backwards. Eubank got up immediately, literally on the cunt of 1.

Compare the Calzaghe Knockdown to RJJ with the one that JC inflicted on Eubank and then you will understand what being hurt/stunned really looks like.

Calzaghe was hardly hurt. He was stunned because he got caught on the bridge of his nose with a forearm shot. He got up inside 2 and carried on pressuring Roy from the center of the ring.

He didn't lose his footing, Calzaghe put him down legit, back pedalling or not not many people put Eubank on the canvas.

I've seen some of his earlier fights and the guy could bang. He wasn't a one-punch knock out artist, that much was a myth, but he was heavy handed, quicker and could hurt people.

[headhunter]

He clearly has no power what so ever because look at all the fighters that have walked straight though his slaps.

[manbearpig]

Clearly you're looking for a reaction with your ridiculous, biased, Calzaghe hating post. Of course he had power. He just couldn't use it after damaging his hands.

[K0NPHL1C7]

Trick question, he doesn't hit at all.

[K0NPHL1C7]

GaLNmgInuAE

Are we supposed to be looking at his flailing, faggoty slaps, or the terrible stoppage?

[manbearpig]

Am I supposed to react to your piss poor attempt at a troll?

FAIL

[headhunter]

Clearly you're looking for a reaction with your ridiculous, biased, Calzaghe hating post. Of course he had power. He just couldn't use it after damaging his hands.

Are you talking to me? if so reread my post and ask youself how many fighters have walked though JC.:good

[TFFP]

He hits hard enough. He's not a power puncher but he's not featherfisted either. You know a guy is featherfisted when he can't get the respect of his opponent and they walk on through him. Classic example...Paulie Malignaggi against Cotto and Hatton.

Everybody respects Calzaghe's punches, and especially the volume and speed of them. If he had no power at all I wonder why people concede ground.

[TonyD407]

He Hits Hard Enough to make Hopkins fake low blows and to make
roy jones fifgt with one eye!!!!!:bbb

[Joseph5620]

Looks like hometown premature stoppage to me.
I agree. That stoppage was awful.

[manbearpig]

Are you talking to me? if so reread my post and ask youself how many fighters have walked though JC.:good
My bad man! I'm just too used to having to reply to idiotic bashers.
I'm far from a fan boy of Joe Calzaghe, but he deserves respect for his achievements.

[BADINTENTIONS2]

My bad man! I'm just too used to having to reply to idiotic bashers.
I'm far from a fan boy of Joe Calzaghe, but he deserves respect for his achievements.

yes he does.

but he also deserves his retractors

[Jimbob]

He hits hard enough. He's not a power puncher but he's not featherfisted either. You know a guy is featherfisted when he can't get the respect of his opponent and they walk on through him. Classic example...Paulie Malignaggi against Cotto and Hatton.

Everybody respects Calzaghe's punches, and especially the volume and speed of them. If he had no power at all I wonder why people concede ground.

I agree.

Calzaghe isn't the great power puncher some make out, but not the feather fisted slapper other make out either. As with any debate about Calzaghe's abilities or career, the truth is usually somewhere in between.

[cuchulain]

Just because you cut somene does not prove that you great power. I could probably cut Hatton if he let me hit him because he is so cut prone.


Yes, you would have a point, IF Roy was cut prone.



Now, how many times was Roy ever cut in a fight prior to Calzaghe ?



















Clue:

It's the next number in this series: 3, 2, 1, _

[manbearpig]

yes he does.

but he also deserves his retractors

He didn't move up in weight to fight RJJ. RJJ wouldn't have been interested in any case. B-Hop fight didn't happen, but JC tried. B-Hop should have moved up in weight.

Joe has power. Not in abundance, but he has it. Bad hands prevented him from unleashing it.
He had a great chin, and great heart.
I can't think of many things to critisize, he could only fight what was put in front of him, which, sadly, was mostly of a very poor standard. Weak era of SMW, I don't blame him for that.

[BADINTENTIONS2]

He didn't move up in weight to fight RJJ. RJJ wouldn't have been interested in any case. B-Hop fight didn't happen, but JC tried. B-Hop should have moved up in weight.

Joe has power. Not in abundance, but he has it. Bad hands prevented him from unleashing it.
He had a great chin, and great heart.
I can't think of many things to critisize, he could only fight what was put in front of him, which, sadly, was mostly of a very poor standard. Weak era of SMW, I don't blame him for that.

he fought what frank put infront of him - thats a much bigger difference

[manbearpig]

Who else could he have fought? Frank ****** is a tosser, no argument there.

[BADINTENTIONS2]

Who else could he have fought? Frank ****** is a tosser, no argument there.


agreed.

joe could have done what hatton did and wanted to chase the best fighters of his era.

why do you think hatton got floyd after leaving ****** (after three profile fights in the US) while joe let ****** milk him?

[cuchulain]

agreed.

joe could have done what hatton did and wanted to chase the best fighters of his era.

why do you think hatton got floyd after leaving ****** (after three profile fights in the US) while joe let ****** milk him?

I keep hearing this line.

But just humor me a bit here and tell me which fighters and when. Be specific as to who and at what point.

[manbearpig]

Yeah, I asked who he could have fought aswell. Someone please fill us in.

[Imperial1]

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Gotta admit though the stoppage was bs ..But a good puncher none the less

[Taylex]

Calzaghe allowed him self to be a prostitute of ******. Look at Hatton he is a warrior and chased the best fighters when he got fed up of his WBU belt. I will always rate Hatton higher than Clazaghe when he retires.

[manbearpig]

Still noone tells us who they expected Calzaghe to fight.

[Taylex]

After beating Eubank he could have fought RJJ, DM, BHOP and Ottke.

[manbearpig]

Ottke would never have happened, he wasn't going down in weight to fight B-Hop, RJJ would have not been interested, Joe wasn't 'box office'. DM, possibly.

[JonOli]

He was a Frank ****** boxer all his career barring his very last fight. That should tell you all you need to know.

[Taylex]

Ottke would never have happened, he wasn't going down in weight to fight B-Hop, RJJ would have not been interested, Joe wasn't 'box office'. DM, possibly.


He could have made him self mandatory for Otkke's title by being a WBC ranked fighter. He could have gone to the USA earlier to build up some hype for a RJJ or BHOP fight and I am sure DM would have fought him at 175 at any stage.

[purplestuff]

he hits hard enough that a questionable chin like roy could go on a 36 minute lunch break during there match and still not get knocked off his feet.

really he had 36 minutes to pound on the punching bag that was roy jones jr and was never even close to getting him outta there, now thats bad.

[Taylex]

Ottke would never have happened, he wasn't going down in weight to fight B-Hop, RJJ would have not been interested, Joe wasn't 'box office'. DM, possibly.

Where there is a will there is a way. It is easy to assert facts and make excuses. If JC wanted the big fights he could have sacrificed something perhaps taking 70:30 of the purse or going to Germany/ America. That is what hungry fighter do. That is what Haye did when He went to Paris to become lineeal, WBC, WBA and Ring magazine CW champ in his 21st fight.

[Trendkiller]

Well he slapped the shit out of Jeff Lacy!!

[manbearpig]

Where there is a will there is a way. It is easy to assert facts and make excuses. If JC wanted the big fights he could have sacrificed something perhaps taking 70:30 of the purse or going to Germany/ America. That is what hungry fighter do. That is what Haye did when He went to Paris to become lineeal, WBC, WBA and Ring magazine CW champ in his 21st fight.

Well if that's your argument, I blame Ottke. He should have been wanting a fight with Calzaghe, and should have went out of his way to make it happen just as much as you think Joe should have.

[Taylex]

Well if that's your argument, I blame Ottke. He should have been wanting a fight with Calzaghe, and should have went out of his way to make it happen just as much as you think Joe should have.

I agree it works both ways and I blame Sven as much as Joe.

[DINAMITA]

In his younger days, he had decent power. He was never a powerful puncher exactly, but had decent pop. Not featherfisted by any stretch of the imagination.

Last few years? Cheerleader pom-pom punches. I dunno whether that's because his hands are damaged or whether he has just lost a bit of his power with age, but I was wide-eyed with disbelief at the amount of clean shots he landed to Roy Jones's head in that fight, and never even had Jones on the brink of a KD, never mind a KO. We saw what Tarver and Johnson done to him with single shots. Same with Jeff Lacy. So so so many clean shots, and no stoppage. Clear-cut evidence of a lack of firepower.

[cuchulain]

After beating Eubank he could have fought RJJ, DM, BHOP and Ottke.

RJJ.

Calzaghe was almost unheard of when he defeated Eubank in Oct 1997 in his very first big fight.

RJJ had already finished with the 168 lb division more than two years earlier and had fought three fights against big names at 175 (Griffin x 2, McCallum) and was facing Hill the following Spring.

He would have had no inclination to face the largely unknown Calzaghe.

As for Calzaghe, he had just won his title at 168 and wanted to defend it rather than move up to take on the best fighter in the world at a higher weight division.

The fight only looks possible from the hindsight of someone unfamiliar with what was happening at the time.

Did Hagler get pissed on for NEVER moving up ?

Did Monzon ?

Did Hopkins move up and face Roy, when he had even more incentive than Calzaghe, having lost to Roy at middlewt ?



DM ?


Again, DM was fighting at 175.

Calzaghe was fighting at 168. He fought whoever was there, just like Bernard fought whoever was available at 160, regardless of the sometimes poor quality of the opposition.

Both men chased records for title defences and didn't move up until they had reached those records.


BHOP ?

Bernard is a big name now, but prior to his victory over Tito in 2001, he was not nearly as highly regarded. He was self-managed and was a better boxer than a businessman.

After Tito, Calzaghe did enter into negotiations to fight Bernard.
A verbal agreement was in place for a fight in the US, but Bernard suddenly asked for double what had been agreed upon. The deal fell apart.

Here’s what the vice-president of Showtime said about it:


"A teleconference was set up in my office in New York for July 30trh, 2002, and on the call was myself, Don King who was in the room, Frank ****** and Bernard Hopkins' lawyer, Arnold Joseph. Along with Arnold was a woman named Linda Carter, who was there on behalf of Bernard. We asked Arnold if Bernard wanted to fight Joe Calzaghe and we asked him how much money would he want if he did. The response we got was $3million and the fight would have to take place in the United States. After a little scratching of the head, we said 'Okay, done.' Frank ****** agreed on the spot, DOn King agreed and we agreed so as far as we were concerned all parties were singing off the one hymm sheet. Arnold excused himself with Linda and I can only assume it was to call Bernard. Either that day or the next day, they came with a new demand: $6million, dobule the sum that had been agreed, the deal blew up.....he had then and still has no desire to fight Joe Calzaghe, that much is pretty clear.

Joe gets criticised sometimes for not having fought the big-name Americans, but in this case the fault has never rested with him."

- Jay Larkin, then Showtime TV Network's Senior Vice-President of Sports and Event Programming.


So Joe didn’t duck Bernard.

Bernard pulled the plug on Joe.

(IMO, not because he was scared of Joe. He was just too greedy).



Ottke ?

The only 168 lber on your list. He never left Germany, and after Robin Reid's treatment by the German officials, where the referee should have at least half the credit fot Ottke's win, Joe would have been pretty crazy to go to him.



I frequently see the charge leveled that Joe should have faced better competition. (James Toney, who could never have fought Calzaghe for similar reasons, is frequently mentioned).

But he faced who was available and in his division. And while that resulted in a less than spectacular set of opponents, he did beat them all.

Including Eubank, Reid, Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins.

[thespecialone]

He could have made him self mandatory for Otkke's title by being a WBC ranked fighter. He could have gone to the USA earlier to build up some hype for a RJJ or BHOP fight and I am sure DM would have fought him at 175 at any stage.

So why dont these fighters ever get knocked for not chasing a fight with JC?

[socrates]

Call him a spaghetti botherer ..

Then you'l see!

[manbearpig]

So why dont these fighters ever get knocked for not chasing a fight with JC?
Yeah, my sentiments exactly.

[venomus_p4p]

Al Gore really does believe that a manbearpig exsists.

[manbearpig]

I do, but don't tell anyone.

[venomus_p4p]

I do, but don't tell anyone.

:lol:

[warrior85]

look at like this:if he slapped&had no power,someone at some point in his career would've walked through him,he hit hard enough to make kessler&hopkins weary of leading in their fights.

[JL Fighter]

not hard enough

[Gneus7]

not hard enough

Not hard enough to win all his fights?

[RedDragonBoxing]

Of course he hits hard. He bust roy jones, omar sheika, richie woodhall, jeff lacy.......well i could go on and on but whats the point?