Calzaghe Vs Lacy - Be honest, who went for Jeff?

[Smith]

That includes the Brits specifically, did the new Calzaghe fanboys originally plump for the American?

:think

:smoke

[TFFP]

Nope not even close to considering it, these forums made hilarious viewing

Kessler I was worried, I was only 65-35 Joe :smoke

[pit]

I went for jeff and I though he had a punchers chance , but I knew that he had been taking too many punches in past fights would be a huge issue, His fight with Rubin showed just how poor his Defense and Combo punching had declined since leaving Bloodworth.

[Beeston Brawler]

I went for Calzaghe, but always back the British fighters.

[King Dan]

I was a huge Lacy fan and I picked him to win by KO.

I have learned my lesson and won $$ on Calzaghe against Kessler and will support Calzaghe against B-Hop while betting on the over 11.5 rounds.

[rusticraver]

I didn't know enough about Lacy.... i was worried but had never seen him fight

[ThePlugInBabies]

i was there, sat in the heavens behind a row of yanks. oh the shit they were talking before the fight in contrast to their faces as the destruction unfolded was beautiful....

the best atmospheres i've ever experienced at a big fight actually.

[Smith]

It was pure poetry.

[Bodysnatcher]

The poll hasn't really got going yet but I'm already detecting a few symptoms of Lacy amnesia.

[Boro chris]

i was there, sat in the heavens behind a row of yanks. oh the shit they were talking before the fight in contrast to their faces as the destruction unfolded was beautiful....


:rofl

To my eternal shame I was expecting a Lacy victory as I felt Joe was poor against Ashira and that Veit was so bad you couldn't take anything from that fight. (the definition of upright euro style and all thats wrong with it!)
So I expected a Lacy victory without actually having seen him fight!:patsch
In my defence I was far less of a boxing fan in those days, my time on these boards have increased my knowledge of boxing greatly.

[mattress]

I thought Joe would win but gotta admit that I hadn't seen much of Lacy at all and actually half-believed the hype around how destructive he was. I don't think Lacy was that bad...he was definitely top 5 in the division. I don't think i'll ever see such a one-sided fight between the top two fighters in any division.

Heavenly performance.

[196osh]

I went for Joe. But I figured he may have one or two dodgy moments early and pull it out late. I thought he would win 9-3/8-4, with it being reasonably competitive.

I was wrong, :rofl

[Tony Harrison]

I didn't know much about Lacey but thought Calzaghe was on the slide. Watching footage of this massive bastard knocking people out made me fear Calzaghe's time may have come.

Don't mind admitting it, I've learned to be more weary of hype these days.

[MetroMan]

I remember these forums around the time of Calzaghe-Lacy, wasn't a member then, but they were full of guys saying Lacy was going to demolish Joe Cal-slappy! :lol:

[marting]

I went for Jeff Lacy but I can excuse it somewhat because he's from hometown.

I was on this site during the prefight buildup and there was hardly anyone, Brits included, that were openly picking Calzaghe. Hell, even the bookmakers in England were favoring Lacy.

The vast majority on this site were either picking Lacy or choosing to say nothing in regards to Calzaghe. Even in the British boxing section there was a distinct aura of concern.

Face it. Just about everyone thought Lacy was going to win.

[Haye]

I knew fuck all about boxing at the time, and this was the fight that got me into it. I was rooting for Calzaghe, but felt Lacy could well win, although, as I say, I knew fuck all and was caught up by Lacy's hype.

[Pimp C]

That includes the Brits specifically, did the new Calzaghe fanboys originally plump for the American?

:think

:smoke
I'm honest I picked Lacy only because I'd never seen Calzaghe fight and only saw his resume. But if I had seen him fight just once no way in hell would I have picked Lacy.

[Shaolin Box]

yeah me too. Never saw JC fight before Lacy so i went with Jeff.:patsch

[sugarngold]

Jeff Lacy by KO.

I had watched Lacy come up over the previous years and was sure he would eventually catch up with Joe Calzaghe(whom I had only seen in highlights).

As the saying goes, Calzaghe proved everyone wrong by punishing Lacy for 12 rounds and effectively ending his championship career. Only time will tell if Lacy can ever recover his form prior to his encounter with Calzaghe.

[Shaolin Box]

Jeff Lacy by KO.

I had watched Lacy come up over the previous years and was sure he would eventually catch up with Joe Calzaghe(whom I had only seen in highlights).

As the saying goes, Calzaghe proved everyone wrong by punishing Lacy for 12 rounds and effectively ending his championship career. Only time will tell if Lacy can ever recover his form prior to his encounter with Calzaghe.

Nope, he's done :deal

[mattress]

Nope, he's done :deal Unfortunately, I think you're right. Nice, decent bloke though.

[BigBone]

As I've seen a lot of Joe's fights before, I though it's a 50-50 fight, but in favour of the younger, seemingly hungrier and stronger guy.

But at least I admit I thought Lacy would win. It seems very few dare to admit it... but what the hell? 99% of the experts thought Lacy would win this one, 75% said it's gonna be easy.

I dare to say that most who keep saying that they picked Joe are just lying. I have tons of respect for the rest.

[Hitman]

I had only seen JC fight only once before the Lacy fight and he didn't look like much , so Lacy seemed to be logical choice. Boy was i wrong! And Lacy has been ruined ever since.

[sugarngold]

Unfortunately, I think you're right. Nice, decent bloke though.
I thought he showed a lot of heart in taking the beating from Calzaghe. Afterwards, he gave Calzaghe all props and declared that he lost to the better man. Lacy showed championship class - even if it was in agonizing defeat.

[Smazz20]

I didn't know much about Lacey but thought Calzaghe was on the slide. Watching footage of this massive bastard knocking people out made me fear Calzaghe's time may have come.

Don't mind admitting it, I've learned to be more weary of hype these days.


Similar enough to me. I still went with Calzaghe, but hadn't seen a lot of Lacy beforehand.

[Bodysnatcher]

I like Lacy a lot.

I've said this before but in retrospect, you can see he was being pushed too soon by Gary Shaw, who was the guy responsible for most of the out-of-control hype that was manufactured around him.

I've seen pre-Calzaghe interviews and there are times when Jeff looked bashful and didn't want to trash talk and Shaw would jump in with his hyperbole.

Then the fight itself, Shaw was looking at the corner and making `stop it now` gestures from the 9th round onwards, but didn't actually get out his seat and tell the corner to do it...which I'm sure they would have, seeing that Shaw was the big boss. Shaw was still making those gestures in the last 30 seconds of the fight, when the damage was already done. Clearly just wanted to appear like he cared about his man whilst secretly hoping Jeff would deliver that KO bomb out of nowhere.

[smoochp]

I thought Lacy was gonna kill him. But to be honest I never seen Joe fight before then. He mad me a fan and I bought his career collection and I love him ever sense

[PRproud]

Im going to be honest , i used to think Calzage was overrated, damn i couldn be more wrong , it was viseversa

I remember telling my brother that Lacy was going to K.O. Calzage,,jajajaj

Honestly at the time i have never seen Calzage fight before

[NJeffectelement]

I was rooting for Lacy. I was shocked to say the least.

[Strike]

There are so many liars on here. At the time of the fight, there must have been 3 or 4 people at most who picked Calzaghe. Now it is a 50/50 split.:lol:

I picked Lacy, but based on the fact I thought Calzaghe was past it. I felt a prime Calzaghe would have been a different matter but that Joe had looked shot against Salem and then very unconvincing against Ashira.
I had also underestimated how totally done Robin Reid was and so seeing him battered for the first time in his career (having never been down) suggested Lacy had not good power, but huge power.

All in all, I figured Calzaghe would look to fight Lacy like he fought Brewer and Mitchell, stand in a phone box and brawl it out with his speed and output as his way to seek victory.
Having looked shop worn against Salem and Ashira, and with Lacys power, I could not see how Lacy would not land enough to end it.

It now appears that Calzaghe was quite simply becoming complacent and unmotivated against crap opponents and needed the challenges to be at his best. He had them earlier in his career and had become stagnant fighting hand picked crap like Pudwill. After the Lacy fight it was clear that he was not past it but needed to be interested and threatened by his opponent.

Which was why I picked him to beat Kessler, despite Kessler being a level above Lacy, and why I pick him to beat Hopkins and totally dismantle Pavlik should they meet.

[The taff]

Quite a few people on here picked Lacy to TKO Joe in one round. I think most people thought Lacy would win, on here i would say 90% in favour of Lacy. Only "China hand Joe" had total confidence in a JC victory.

I hadn't really seen Lacy fight and have followed JC from very early in his career when he DID used to hit really hard, only a few clips i had seen of Lacy and i did think he would beat Joe the way he was spoken of with his Punch Power. I was on holiday when they fought, and got the result the next day, but didn't realise what a one sided fight it was till i watched it when i got home. I couldn't believe it to be honest.

[mattress]

I couldn't believe it to be honest. I don't think anyone could....except for those who knew he was a fraud all along (bullshitters).

[Carlos Primera]

i'll be honest, i thought lacy would win. i had'nt seen calzaghe fight at all aside from a few clips, and lacy was tearing through the division during the time.

[The taff]

I don't think anyone could....except for those who knew he was a fraud all along (bullshitters).

I have to agree with you, he was the new Tyson, no one said Lacy was a fraud, only Calzaghe was the fraud.

[Beatboxer]

I came back to ESB specifically for this fight.

I picked JC by UD with my general assesment being that I felt Joe had the ability to evade Lacy's assaults and the skill to land on him.

Joes brittle hands and moderate power were enough to convince me he wouldn't stop him.

Its funny how everyone seems to be a genius in hindsight though. The only one I remember really broadcasting their pick of Joe was Max Molyneux.

[Beatboxer]

Quite a few people on here picked Lacy to TKO Joe in one round. I think most people thought Lacy would win, on here i would say 90% in favour of Lacy. Only "China hand Joe" had total confidence in a JC victory.

I hadn't really seen Lacy fight and have followed JC from very early in his career when he DID used to hit really hard, only a few clips i had seen of Lacy and i did think he would beat Joe the way he was spoken of with his Punch Power. I was on holiday when they fought, and got the result the next day, but didn't realise what a one sided fight it was till i watched it when i got home. I couldn't believe it to be honest.

China hand Joe wasn't even a member at that point.

[Rebel-INS]

I guess the people who chose Joe chose Douglas to hammer Tyson too?

[David_TheMan]

I was never interested in the match because the Super MW division is a garbage/pit stop division.

[Strike]

I guess the people who chose Joe chose Douglas to hammer Tyson too?

That is not a good comparison. Joe was clearly the more skilled fighter, but many felt he was past it and others had not seen him fight (which is a fairly stupid way to call a fight).

[Smith]

Some batant liars on here, Strike was one of the only ones to break it down the way he seen it.

[ron u.k.]

i went for lacy.i don't think joe had been too impressive in his recent fights and i thought he was just on the slide and wouldn't be able to keep the younger guy off.just shows what the f*** do i know.

[Smith]

Ill be honest in saying even though I went for Joe, I thought at the time I was following my heart instead of my head. I knew Lacy was a strong bastard, but just had a feeling Joe could win.

Im glad my little inclination came true.

[WhataRock]

Initially I have to admit I thought Lacy would take it out.

I weighed it all up and thought well joe was taller, faster, a southpaw, more fluid, more skilled, had a proven chin, more experienced and at home but I disregarded all these advantages because I thought Joe's age and the fact he hadnt been in with a high quality of opposition in the couple of years preceding this fight.. making him..a little soft. I likened it to a muscle not being properly worked, meaning it wouldnt be as strong. Sounds a bit stupid now.
Only a few weeks, maybe a month out from the fight a few posters started to convince me that all those advantages would come into play. In most of the final polls I voted for Calzaghe by close decison or Calzaghe by decision or Calzaghe would win it and Id make a comment that it would be really close. No way did I see what he did that night coming.

I put my vote down as a Lacy pick however because for a while there I argued he would win, only really renigging closer to the fight. Though I wouldnt have been in any kind of shock if Lacy had won at the time.

We all get it wrong sometimes.

No way 54% picked Joe for that one. There was a sizable minority but I remember some early polls had something like 80% of respondants picking Jeff, I probably would have been one of them.

And believe me I was not on the Jeff Lacy hype train, just didnt realise Joe was still that good.

[Smith]

Initially I have to admit I thought Lacy would take it out.

I weighed it all up and thought well joe was taller, faster, a southpaw, more fluid, more skilled, had a proven chin, more experienced and at home but I disregarded all these advantages because I thought Joe's age and the fact he hadnt been in with a high quality of opposition in the couple of years preceding this fight.. making him..a little soft. I likened it to a muscle not being properly worked, meaning it wouldnt be as strong. Sounds a bit stupid now.
Only a few weeks, maybe a month out from the fight a few posters started to convince me that all those advantages would come into play. In most of the final polls I voted for Calzaghe by close decison or Calzaghe by decision or Calzaghe would win it and Id make a comment that it would be really close. No way did I see he what he did that night coming.

I put my vote down as a Lacy pick however because for a while there I argued he would win, only really renigging closer to the fight. Though I wouldnt have been in any kind of shock if Lacy had won at the time.

We all get it wrong sometimes.

No way 54% picked Joe for that one. There was a sizable minority but I remember some early polls had something like 80% of respondants picking Jeff, I probably would have been one of them.

And believe me I was not on the Jeff Lacy hype train, just didnt realise Joe was still that good.Good post, exactly what I was looking for:thumbsup

[Drusome]

I thought Lacy was going to knock his block off in three rounds or less. :oops:

I think 95 percent of the posters here did too - someone is not being honest in that poll.

[Kerosene]

Calzaghe - I won money on that fight. But my flatmate deserves the credit. He said "Lacy's shit, he'll get battered" and he wasnt wrong.

[vonBanditos]

I went for Calzaghe, but I thought that the fight would be competitive so my pick was nearly as bad as anyone who picked Lacy. I have been sold on Joe since I first saw him against Byron Mitchell.

[Boxfan1]

I was for JC because in a fight against a boxer, the puncher will typically lose.

[Nigel_Benn]

I hold my hands up and admit i thought Lacy was gonna brutalize Joe, I thought that Joe was on the slide and that Lacy would get to him with his power i voted i thought Lacy would win but im surprised its an even poll from what i remember it was like 80 percent for a Lacy win.

[ghostlybadge]

i went for calzaghe but put a bet on it being a close 2 point fight.

[TommyRyan44]

I was leaning towards Lacy, especially after the talk of the time it was airing was messing up joe, but damn I was surprised at the outcome:?

[Caper]

I backed Jeff for the upset.....I knew the fight would be difficult due to Joe's style but I thought Jeff might possibly edge him in strength. Jeff was not able to impose his will and when I thought about it afterwards Jeff was a bit overhyped and to easy to hit. Joe took complete advatage of his handspeed and exp level and boxed Jeff's ears off. I remember reading an article to pointed towards certain illegal drugs in the US that are legal and basically abused in the UK.....now I still feel Joe C would have defeated Jeff but the article did raise eyebrows as to why a number of fighters across seas seem reluctant when having to travel to the US for a fight. I don't know how valid the article is but here is one....(It doesnt mention the legality of the drugs but it points to the abuse).....I know its a big issue in the US I just never knew it was the case across seas.

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[Kerosene]

I backed Jeff for the upset.....I knew the fight would be difficult due to Joe's style but I thought Jeff might possibly edge him in strength.
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Lacy was the betting favorite in the UK.

Its not that kind of steriod abuse, they have a problem with roiders.

Roiders are like the Sun, big, orange and you shouldnt stare at them.

[Fedor Em]

I did not know too much about Cal then. Saw Lacy in a few fights and thought since his power was the equalizer and would save him again he used it to stop some some good opponents. (Reid although past it Calzaghe struggled with, Vanderpool, and Pemberton who was past it as well)

I picked Lacy to win by stoppage but more based on ignorance about Calzaghe as a fighter.

[Caper]

Lacy was the betting favorite in the UK.

Its not that kind of steriod abuse, they have a problem with roiders.

Roiders are like the Sun, big, orange and you shouldnt stare at them.

When I said upset I meant IMO.......

And I think staring is rude.....LMAO!;)

[Asterion]

I thought Calzaghe was gonna be destroyed by Lacy.

The results of this poll are lying...most people thought Lacy was going to win.

[Fedor Em]

I thought Calzaghe was gonna be destroyed by Lacy.

The results of this poll are lying...most people thought Lacy was going to win.

I would say 3 out of every 4 people I talked to before the fight thought Lacy was gonna stop Joe.

[ghostlybadge]

what you looking at son
you want to start something
ill fucking have you son

im born and bread in merthyr tydfil it makes the bronx look upperclass

[DaHead242]

i really like both jeff and joe. I was rooting for Calzaghe but i thought Joe would win the early rounds and maybe knock Jeff down but that Lacy would eventually get to Calzaghe. I was wrong. I',m happy Joe won but i'm not ashamed that i went for Lacy by Ko. a a lot of guys did.

[ralphc]

I remember these forums around the time of Calzaghe-Lacy, wasn't a member then, but they were full of guys saying Lacy was going to demolish Joe Cal-slappy! :lol:


Almost everybody outside of Britain was betting on Jeff Lacy. I remember all the self appointed experts comparing him to Mike Tyson, but none of them bothered to mention that Lacy was slower and easier to hit than Tyson. Lacy himself had so much swaggering self confidence iit was laughable. When asked if he could win a decision in Britain, he replied it wasn't going to the judges. I suppose he expected Calzaghe to just stand there and get hit like all the rest of his victims. After Lacy got his rude awakening, all the self appointed experts started saying he was overrated. As I see it the only thing overrated is the self appointed experts who don't know the first thing about boxing.

[brown_bomber]

i thought lacey was going to murder calzaghe :D

[brown_bomber]

calzaghe ltherw 1000+ punches, how come he coudlen't knock him out ????????????? :D

[safe_pa]

Out of the 49 people who have voted Calzaghe, at least half of you are lying mother fuckers.
I joined this forum at the time of that fight and there were only a handful of us picking Joe, I used to argue with ray gordon reid about it, he called Joe Josephine I called Lacy hype, Good times. I grew to like Ray and miss seeing his posts.

[Cruiser1]

I said that it was a 50/50 fight which, looking back, was basically as ludicrous as picking Lacy outright. I felt that Joe was on the downside when the truth was that he was just fighting down to the opposition.

[The Kurgan]

I picked Calzaghe based on his short reach and superior inside ability. Of course, I also picked him to win by a close decision. :patsch

[JMonster]

me. i thought he would whip calzaghe apart. calzaghe isn't impressive at all in my opinion. i always knew lacy's boxing skill wasn't too good, but he is a good fighter that hits hard, sorta like tyson. still to this day i think calzaghe sucks, ESPECIALLY after his "win" w/ hopkins. i know hopkins didn't push the pace or nething and most of the action was cus cal made a move, but hopkins embarrassed the HELL out of him in there. i have seen 4 year olds throw better punches then some of the punches cal was throwing.

[JOSEY WALES]

I went to this fight , i was convinced Calzaghe would beat Lacy and was proved right , over on the main board i and a handful of others took a whole heap of crap pre fight and were thought of as being quie insane predicting Calzaghe , i read this board @ the time and no fooking way was it seen as a 50-50 fight . LMFAO

[Relentless]

this is bullshit, i remember the polls being 70 - 30 going for jeff lacy.

[scott is cool]

I thought Lacy would win, I thopught he would have too much for Joe. Although I wanted Calzaghe to win... Which he did. :)
I think people forget how Lacy was the new fighter to watch everybody thought he would be in the top 3 p4p fighters in the world, within a few years. People also forget that he was actualy a very good fighter, but Joe destroyed his career that night, McGuigan said 10 minutes after the fight that Lacy would never be the same again.

[Cruiser1]

I thought Lacy would win, I thopught he would have too much for Joe. Although I wanted Calzaghe to win... Which he did. :)
I think people forget how Lacy was the new fighter to watch everybody thought he would be in the top 3 p4p fighters in the world, within a few years. People also forget that he was actualy a very good fighter, but Joe destroyed his career that night, McGuigan said 10 minutes after the fight that Lacy would never be the same again.

Lacy couldn't have possibly come away from that fight without some type of long-term career damage. If I were Birmingham I would have kept Jeff in the corner after the 9th round. Not saying it would have made a big difference but it would have saved his fighter from 3 more rounds of unnecessary punishment.

[Dscaper]

Who did I want to win? Joe
Who did I think would win? Jeff by early KO

[Shotgun]

There were a fair share of people who picked Calzaghe but there were a lot more picking Lacy for sure, many of them by a brutal KO within the first 3 rounds

I picked Calzaghe by 11th round TKO, I also remember Zakman telling people Calzaghe was going to win and a lot easier than most expected. Then there were the usual Calzaghe/Euro haters who were talking a massive amount of shit before the fight and were nowhere to be found afterwards

[Shotgun]

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[ralphc]

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Do you know that Lacy now blames his promoter? He is still delusional enough to believe that he would have knocked out Calzaghe if the fight had been staged in America! :nut

[Zakman]

I was one of the relatively few who picked Calzaghe in the fight. What was most ludicrous were all the fanboys fawning over Lacy's chiseled physique, thinking that alone meant he would roll over the less impressive-looking Calzaghe. Like boxing is some kind of bodybuilding contest or something!!! :patsch

[Amsterdam]

I was one of the relatively few who picked Calzaghe in the fight. What was most ludicrous were all the fanboys fawning over Lacy's chiseled physique, thinking that alone meant he would roll over the less impressive-looking Calzaghe. Like boxing is some kind of bodybuilding contest or something!!! :patsch

I remember this, you claimed you were taking Calzaghe on experience and class of fighter.

[Gsand]

It was an absolute 12 round masterclass

Unbelievable to watch and an electric atmosphere.