View Full Version : How can anyone think Eubank is a HOF fighter?
thePRESIDENT
04-19-2008, 11:23 AM
He held the WBO crown, which at the time was regarded as a minor title, he was able to get away with fighting the 2nd tier of middleweights in the division except Benn. Don't give me Mike Watson was top Tier, he lost against the top tier guys eg. Mike Mcullum
He never faced any of the top guys, Nunn, Toney, Jones, Mcullum Mclellan, Benn at least fought McUllam.
Eubank is a perfect example of a fighter with decent ability who gets over inflated in our media coverage.
Benn is far more worthy of HOF status, he fought abroad and beat a great P4P fighter in the G man.
Eubank was also never the no:1 in his division at anypoint in his career.
Strike
04-19-2008, 11:30 AM
Freddy Roach disagrees with you and so does anyone who actually watched him fight.
nervousxtian
04-19-2008, 11:31 AM
Easy, the HOF for boxing is a joke. They let just about ANYONE in.
thePRESIDENT
04-19-2008, 11:34 AM
Freddy Roach disagrees with you and so does anyone who actually watched him fight.
Where does Freddy roach disagree with me he said Eubanks was his best win , but didn't say he was HOF. Don't inflate Calzaghes record hes damm lucky he wasn't around when Nunn Toney Jones Mcullum were not around. He had a division where Glenn Catley was a world champion.
mattress
04-19-2008, 11:37 AM
Where does Freddy roach disagree with me.
Freddy Roach wouldn't dare disagree with a know-it-all like you.
Streets_Of_Gold
04-19-2008, 11:41 AM
Easy, the HOF for boxing is a joke. They let just about ANYONE in.
:yep
mattress
04-19-2008, 11:42 AM
You wait for one, low and behold another turns up straight after.
Smith
04-19-2008, 11:46 AM
Oh dear....
Why do we get these posters who have quite blatantly never watched more than a 2 minute youtube clip of a fighter they are criticising.
Benn & Eubank must be HOF in my opinion. This aint no fucking Gatti or even MgGuigan, Eubank had elite skills.
My dinner with Conteh
04-19-2008, 11:58 AM
If the HOF just let legends in then i'd say no. But any old shite gets in these days and he was a bit above that. Although, massively overrated I agree with the author there. He was involved in nearly as many gift decisions as Sven Ottke.
My dinner with Conteh
04-19-2008, 11:59 AM
Eubank is a perfect example of a fighter with decent ability who gets over inflated in our media coverage.
Yep. But American media coverage used to inflate the likes of Gerry Cooney and Darrin Van Horn.
Taylex
04-19-2008, 12:06 PM
Eubank was a great fighter and would have beat Nunn (KO) and Toney(SD), but not RJJ. He has not done enough to be a HOF and was never interested. He was in the game for money and under-achieved, but confuse that fact and think that Eubanks was no good. He had allot of talent but his priority was money and not legendary status.
vitesse349
04-19-2008, 12:28 PM
beaten toney? and nunn? mate, im british and a eubank fan but no way was he a hall of famer. He dismissed a match up with Nunn as "he's a dangerous tricky southpaw" he had great fights with benn, was gifted the first decision against watson, gifted tons of decisions after that, basically just did enough to win in 99% of the fights he had. He was a decent boxer, great chin, average power, a great showman but no hall of famer or atg.
warrior85
04-19-2008, 12:31 PM
considering whose in there,yeah he should,in over 20 title fights,many which were classics,so id say yeah
Taylex
04-19-2008, 12:37 PM
beaten toney? and nunn? mate, im british and a eubank fan but no way was he a hall of famer. He dismissed a match up with Nunn as "he's a dangerous tricky southpaw" he had great fights with benn, was gifted the first decision against watson, gifted tons of decisions after that, basically just did enough to win in 99% of the fights he had. He was a decent boxer, great chin, average power, a great showman but no hall of famer or atg.
He had very good power actually. He was gun shy after the Watson fight and lost him ambition. Like you say he tried to do the minumum and was just wanted to get paid and did not care about his legacy.
BIGTIMETIMMY
04-19-2008, 01:01 PM
Easy, the HOF for boxing is a joke. They let just about ANYONE in.
Its true I am in the philadelphia boxing hall for my post on here. LOL
My dinner with Conteh
04-19-2008, 01:02 PM
What was the worst Eubnak gift decision? Amaral? Schommer? Sherry? My money's on Amaral. Apparently the criterion that night included Effective Feinting and Solid Missing. The headline on Boxing News is one I'll always remember: Tour De Farce (in reference to his world tour' and the fact that he lost about 10 rounds). Still, that Master of Ceremonies with the fuzzy hair was wheeled out again: "The winner....Simply the best..." and anyone with an idea scratched their head. Even Stretch was outboxing him until he was stopped.
Henbridge
04-20-2008, 10:13 PM
"You can keep your precious glory. Give me some money."
"Do I care about being remembered, in this particular business? Not really. All I care about is how much money is in my bank account."
"I fight to win, and so that's why I won't fight Jones. He can beat me."
Chris Eubank is the VERY LAST person who would ever be inducted into any Boxing Hall of Fame.
greengloves
04-20-2008, 10:16 PM
when i was young i used to love watching eubank fight but in honesty he was a b level fighter,he ran all night from a c-level fighter in ray close then was beaten twice by a warrior in steve collins.he is no hofer but he did have very good skills but to disregard how beatable he was is plain ignorant.
Rock0052
04-20-2008, 11:20 PM
Easy, the HOF for boxing is a joke. They let just about ANYONE in.
It's only natural for more fighters to make it in than any other HOF. The sport goes on year round, and at any given time, there's many people fighting professionally than playing in other individual/team sports leagues.
Case in point: In the NFL, there's roughly 1800 players in any given year. If you combined the number of fighters in Heavyweight and Cruiserweight, you'd get more than that without even counting the other classes.
Henbridge
04-21-2008, 04:06 AM
when i was young i used to love watching eubank fight but in honesty he was a b level fighter,he ran all night from a c-level fighter in ray close then was beaten twice by a warrior in steve collins.he is no hofer but he did have very good skills but to disregard how beatable he was is plain ignorant.
There were two ways to beat Eubank;
Either 1) stay on top of him for three minutes of each round because he needed breaks to rest and think, or 2) move away from him because he didn't know how to cut off the ring and would fall over himself.
Watson (2nd fight), Thornton, Close (1st and 2nd fights), Amaral, Collins (2nd fight), Calzaghe and Thompson (1st and 2nd fights) all did 1) and beat him clearly.
Sherry and Schommer did 2) and beat him clearly.
Henbridge
04-21-2008, 04:09 AM
Benn (2nd fight) simply used head movement and upper body movement to prevent him throwing or make him miss when he did throw, and I suppose that was kind of like a hybrid mixture of 2) and 1), in that order. He beat him.
But yes, Eubank was beatable ;)
Henbridge
04-21-2008, 04:13 AM
I'll admit that if you stood in front of him, straight up, you could never have beaten him unless he beat himself ie Watson (1st fight), Rocky (Rocchigiani), Benn (1st fight), Collins (1st fight), Thompson early on (1st and 2nd fights). Mikkel Kessler for example wouldn't have done much with Eubank, at all.
He had all the punches, from all the ranges (incl out of range), great reflex and great foot movements.
He was also a bloody strong bugger.
Sonny's jab
04-21-2008, 04:19 AM
Mike Watson wasn't second-tier. He beat Nigel Benn up pretty good. And he deserved the decision over Eubank in the first fight, which was after Eubank had KO'd Benn too.
At MIDDLEWEIGHT Watson deserved to be 2-0 against UNDEFEATED versions of both men.
And McCallum would have beaten both men too.
As far as British middleweights go, Watson should be ranked above Eubank and Benn.
Henbridge
04-21-2008, 04:24 AM
Watson was a class, class fighter. What he did to Benn was beautiful, perfect.
He cut the ring off non-stop for 11 rounds against Eubank in their 2nd fight and gave him zero time to rest or think after a few rounds, basically just dominating from there.
His timing was off against McCallum from ring-rust (fight was put back six months), he didn't have to cut the ring off because McCallum was in front of him, but he did have to lead off constantly (due to his timing being off) and was never going to better McCallum that way.
Thought Eubank beat Watson in their 1st fight, though I seem the only one who does. Eubank was weightdrained in the fight and lost four or five of the last six rounds. But still did enough.
Henbridge
04-21-2008, 04:28 AM
Also thought Eubank won the 1st Collins fight, though I'm not in a minority there.
Bomber
04-21-2008, 04:40 AM
Eubank was a granite chined, classy motherfucker before the 2nd Watson fight.
Eubank turned into a man who hated Boxing and couldnt give a fuck. And I dont blame him.
rusticraver
04-21-2008, 07:38 AM
One of the toughest cunts to put on a pair of boxing gloves
Cruiser1
04-21-2008, 07:45 AM
Disregarding the impact the 2nd Watson fight had on Eubank would be foolish. This just cannot be emphasized enough.
Beeston Brawler
04-21-2008, 07:50 AM
Chris Eubank was an excellent fighter, but after the Michael Watson fight was never really the same.
If you watch the first Benn Eubank fight you will understand how good Chris was in those earlier days.
The only problem with Chris is his resume, other than Benn and a couple of others it ain't all that cracking - not sure about HOF, if Frank ****** can get in, surely Chris can as well!
MetroMan
04-21-2008, 07:50 AM
It depends how you judge his career and the criteria used. Entertainment wise, possibly he deserves to belong. I liked his persona, and he did a lot for the sport, but he is not a true HOF fighter record wise. Eubank should have many more losses on his record, and got many gift decisions.
LiamE
04-21-2008, 10:05 AM
He deserves to be in the HOF for the pose at the end of this fight alone!
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Seriously though, prior to the Watson tragedy, the guy was outstanding. After it his heart we never quite in it and he never again looked to finish an opponent in trouble which cost him wins vs Benn, Colins and Thompson.
If Barry is in the HOF, Eubanks certainly should be. The guys had 20 world title fights and was unbeaten as a MW.
On Watson, losing to a great fighter like McCallum when you are pretty green is no shame, and he may well have deserved the nod in the first Eubank fight. Watson was a class act.
BigBarry
04-21-2008, 08:58 PM
If Gatti and McGuigan make it, Eubank does.
Benn is a no brainer - he is in for sure. Although not the best all time middleweight, my personal favourite
cardstars
04-21-2008, 09:03 PM
Considering some other guys that have made it in, Eubank easily deserves it
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