Ufc 83

[Tko4]

I'm starting this thread early, despite not being that excited about this card. Outside the main event, none of the other fights have much significance. For example, the winner of Franklin/Lutter is going where, exactly? Neither deserve another title shot.

[scurlaruntings]

To be honest i think the build up for this event has been quite weak. I haven't really paid that much attention to it and have little interest in it other than the main event. Right now im watching the Hopkins Calzaghe under card and to be frank thats not saying squat either.

[Tko4]

To be honest i think the build up for this event has been quite weak. I haven't really paid that much attention to it and have little interest in it other than the main event. Right now im watching the Hopkins Calzaghe under card and to be frank thats not saying squat either.

Yeah, the buildup for the fight has been weak, and I'm not all that excited for it. Maybe it's because I've seen the two fight before. I'm looking forward to Penn/Sherk a ton more. The main events after that are all downhill again. Rampage vs. Griffin? Even an entire season of TUF isn't going to help promote that suckfest.

[scurlaruntings]

To be fair my interest in the UFC has waned. Now that there the premier org the quality DEEP cards are few and far between. It doesn't really leave that much to look forward too or be excited about.

[Tko4]

Kenny Florian doing color? Interesting.

[Tko4]

Alright, I made it about 2 minutes into the Danzig fight before I had to switch to Bhop/Calzaghe. I'm a traitor :yep

[IntentionalButt]

Alright, I made it about 2 minutes into the Danzig fight before I had to switch to Bhop/Calzaghe. I'm a traitor :yep

:lol:

2 more fights until GSP-Serra? :think

[IntentionalButt]

Trolls editing the shit out of the event wikipedia page. :yep

[Tko4]

Bisbing looks solid at 185, but I still don't like him. Feed him to Anderson Silva, I say.

[Tko4]

I feel bad for Quarry. The fans are chanting "boring", and it's all because Starnes is running around in circles. Oh, and who said American fans were bad?

[Tko4]

The last 10 seconds of that fight was the best part. Hilarious stuff.

[Tko4]

And now Quarry and Starnes are calling each other faggots in middle of the Octagon. Good stuff.

[Tko4]

Quarry gets a 30-24 score. Awesome.

[yogster740]

franklyn and Lutter next...

[yogster740]

i like the lutter walk in song

[Tko4]

Forrest wearing a Montreal jersey is exactly why I don't like him. He will do anything to be cheered wherever he goes. He would torture babies to get terrorists to cheer for him.

[yogster740]

i know the fight has not started yet...but i lighter lutter in the upset

[AJAX]

I apologize for being Canadian and watching Kaleb Starnes do fuck all, all fight long I guarantee he will never fight again in the UFC he should be ashamed of himself......don't waste peoples time just running around the ring, ...I feel bad for Quarry who wanted a good showing....and I love the Judge who scored the 30-24 ....that was for running....great judge!!!

[Tko4]

I apologize for being Canadian and watching Kaleb Starnes do fuck all, all fight long I guarantee he will never fight again in the UFC he should be ashamed of himself......don't waste peoples time just running around the ring, ...I feel bad for Quarry who wanted a good showing....and I love the Judge who scored the 30-24 ....that was for running....great judge!!!

No worries, man. He didn't fight like shit because he was Canadian. He fought like shit because he was a scared little kid in there. I've never seen a fighter do absolutely nothing for 15 minutes. No takedowns. No kicks. No punches. That 30-24 was hilarious.

[Tko4]

i know the fight has not started yet...but i lighter lutter in the upset

It would sure make things interesting, but Lutter is kind of a dick, so I hope he gets knocked out. Then Franklin can avoid fighting Silva, and the 185 division will go no where. Damn you for cleaning house, Anderson!

[Polymath]

"Co-main event of the evening" :lol:


Didnt know Lutter was 34 :shock:

[El Matador]

It would sure make things interesting, but Lutter is kind of a dick, so I hope he gets knocked out. Then Franklin can avoid fighting Silva, and the 185 division will go no where. Damn you for cleaning house, Anderson!
I don't see a Franklin-Silva III fight hapenning; there really wouldn't be a point. If they fought 100 times, seriously, Silva would win each time.

As for Lutter, I could see a rematch there. The first fight was resonably competitive. Silva still wins, but Lutter hasn't already lost twice. It would sell.

[El Matador]

I predict a Lutter victory, then a Serra victory.

[Maxime]

I'm stuck at work. Need some details on the fights pls! :D

[Tko4]

I liked that first round. Watching Franklin on the ground was something we haven't gotten much of it. While he didn't look stellar, he did get out of some sticky situations.

[J_Roth]

lutter looks to be gassing.

[yogster740]

well Franklyn won....but Travis went down like a man

[J_Roth]

Lutter had 100% shit stamina. Good job by Franklin with his BJJ and excellent finish.

[Tko4]

Lutter needs better conditioning coaches. He can't make weight for his last fight, and he was ridiculously gassed in this fight. That was a better battle than I thought it would be.

What's next for Franklin? Leben? Bisbing?

[Polymath]

Vintage Franklin; just mauled him and drowned him in the deep waters.

[yogster740]

i would love bisping v franklyn

[El Matador]

Well I'm 1-1 tonight (Calzaghe wins, but Lutter loses).

But seriously- who does Franklin fight? I mean, there not going to sign Baroni to the UFC, right? Or Ninja Rua?

How about Franklin-Okami II. They've both had some good ones recently.

[Polymath]

lot of Canadian ass-kissing tonight

[J_Roth]

I missed the Bisping fight. Can I get some details?

[Tko4]

i would love bisping v franklyn

Yeah, that's a great fight on paper. Except they risk knocking Bisbing out of the title picture (I think Franklin would win), and Bisbing is one of the few guys left to get fed to Silva. So I don't think we will get Franklin/Bisbing until after Silva has himself an English shepherd's pie for lunch.

[Nuke]

Bisping by beat down, striking was the cause

[yogster740]

I missed the Bisping fight. Can I get some details?


bisping looked fast..lots of knees and quick hooks....but McCarthy is not a true player

[Tko4]

bisping looked fast..lots of knees and quick hooks....but McCarthy is not a true player

He also looked kind of like GSP...literally.

[Tko4]

I'm picking Serra in this fight, via Long Island accent. "GSP, whatchou twalking about?" That beats the French accent every day of the week.

[Nuke]

I'm picking Serra in this fight, via Long Island accent. "GSP, whatchou twalking about?" That beats the French accent every day of the week.




:rofl

[J_Roth]

I'll have to catch a download of it. Definetly not a big Bisping fan but 185 may have been a good move. McCarthy was never one in my eyes. Silva rapes Bisping.

[El Matador]

I'm picking Serra in this fight, via Long Island accent. "GSP, whatchou twalking about?" That beats the French accent every day of the week. The least likely result? Serra by decision. Most likely? St. Pierre by knockout.

Regardless, I am picking Serra. I like his blend of boxing and bjj.

And styles make fights.

[J_Roth]

GSP looks like he isn't being effected by the moment. I'd love to see him do what he does best. I really can't stand Serra. Niiiiiiice Mattie. DON'T FORGET TO BREATHE!!! WHERE ARE THE FOOT STOMPS?

[Tko4]

The least likely result? Serra by decision. Most likely? St. Pierre by knockout.

Regardless, I am picking Serra. I like his blend of boxing and bjj.

And styles make fights.
Yeah, Serra is just one of those guys that will give GSP trouble everytime. Even if GSP wins, I don't think it's going to be as easy as some people think. The man once knocked out by the "Shonnie Carter Special," can be a royal pain in the ass to fight.

A month ago I was picking GSP, easily. But the closer this fight gets, the stronger this feeling in my gut that Serra's going to take it again gets.

This ought to be interesting.

[Tko4]

I really wish Serra would have come out to Southpark's, "Blame Canada." You're going to get booed anyway.

[El Matador]

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[lobk]

GSP quick take down to start the fight

[El Puma]

Indeed x4

[lobk]

GSP still on top, Serra defending well

[El Matador]

Yeah, Serra is just one of those guys that will give GSP trouble everytime. Even if GSP wins, I don't think it's going to be as easy as some people think. The man once knocked out by the "Shonnie Carter" special, can be a royal pain in the ass to fight.

A month ago I was picking GSP, easily. But the closer this fight gets, the stronger this feeling in my gut that Serra's going to take it again gets.

This ought to be interesting. Indeed.:yep

[lobk]

GSP landing good short elbows and landing a few hard shots from the guard.

[lobk]

They are finnaly standing

[lobk]

They are finnaly standing

[El Matador]

Indeed x4 I know; my computer's runnin' slow.:oops: GSP doing well.

[lobk]

GSP gets te take down

[lobk]

rnd 1 ends. GSP dominating first rnd. This 30 seconds between post sucks for rnd by rnd

[RUSKULL]

C'mon GSP!!!

[IntentionalButt]

It is sickening how perfect St. Pierre looks sometimes. All the subtle little things he does...

[RUSKULL]

rnd 1 ends. GSP dominating first rnd. This 30 seconds between post sucks for rnd by rnd

It's still appreciated by us cheap fucks whose wive's wouldn't let us spring for the PPV :yep

[Tko4]

Interesting fight plan for GSP. Serra's not going to be able to stop those takedowns.

Could Goldie be any more annoying tonight?

[J_Roth]

Nice 1st round for GSP. He looks to have taken a bit off of Serra.

[lobk]

Serra eating Jabs

[RUSKULL]

Is Serra's face busted up yet?

[Boom_Boom]

this is a mismatch

[lobk]

GSP takes him down again. Continues to maul Serra in the guard.

[lobk]

Serra giving up back and eating punches

[lobk]

Ref stops it

[lobk]

several Knees made Ref stop the fight

[RUSKULL]

Yes!

[lobk]

Serra didn't land a meaningful punch all night

[RUSKULL]

:happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy :happy

Oh yeah! :good

[J_Roth]

Hell yeah GSP beat his ass good and proper. Those knees to the body were fantastic. WTG GSP!!!!

[Tko4]

Those knees were nasty, nasty. I felt them over here.

[yogster740]

Yeah, that's a great fight on paper. Except they risk knocking Bisbing out of the title picture (I think Franklin would win), and Bisbing is one of the few guys left to get fed to Silva. So I don't think we will get Franklin/Bisbing until after Silva has himself an English shepherd's pie for lunch.


true...likely scenerio

[Nuke]

Thought it was kind of a weak stoppage but they where some nasty knees, plus Serra ain't complaining much about it.

[Tko4]

Thought it was kind of a weak stoppage but they where some nasty knees, plus Serra ain't complaining much about it.

I thought maybe he verbally submitted, but it was hard to tell.

[IntentionalButt]

this is a mismatch

It really did look like one. As did GSP-Hughes III. We are watching an incredible talent enter (or smack in the middle of) his prime.

[lobk]

GSP has made it clear he's up for a 3rd match in NY

[J_Roth]

Thought it was kind of a weak stoppage but they where some nasty knees, plus Serra ain't complaining much about it.Might have seemed a bit quick at first but with the slowmo Serra's head was bouncing from the knees and he wasn't defending. He was looking to be hurt bad.

[audio101]

It's not a weak stoppage when you got a guy lying down doing nothing to defend himself.

[Tko4]

Alright, now what's next for GSP?

[El Matador]

My record tonight is 2-0 for boxing predictions (Calzaghe and Adamek) and 0-2 for MMA (St. Pierre and Franklin).

Not bad. I guess.

Lesson learned: Never pick a Candadian to lose in Canada. It doesn't happen!!!

Or more specific, never pick St. Pierre to lose a rematch. That doesn't happen, either.

[El Matador]

Alright, now what's next for GSP? Who was that guy who beat Karo Parysian? Can't remember his name. But he was pretty good.

[Tko4]

My record tonight is 2-0 for boxing predictions (Calzaghe and Adamek) and 0-2 for MMA (St. Pierre and Franklin).

Not bad. I guess.

Lesson learned: Never pick a Candadian to lose in Canada. It doesn't happen!!!

Or more specific, never pick St. Pierre to lose a rematch. That doesn't happen, either.

I pansied out and sat on the fence tonight when it came to predictions. Last time I made predictions, I was so wrong I thought I should quit watching MMA :rofl

[Tko4]

Who was that guy who beat Karo Parysian? Can't remember his name. But he was pretty good.

Thiago Alves?

[El Matador]

Great! Now Hughes will finally get his chance too beat up on Serra...

Sweet redemption for one of the sport's best... GSP! YES! That's what I was thinking before.

Hughes-Serra is now a possibility because if Serra had won, there would be no backing for a Hughes-Serra fight. But now their both contenders.

I like the idea. This one is very likely to happen.

[yogster740]

gsp is the shyt...top 3 p4p no doubt

[El Matador]

Thiago Alves? I think so. Actually, I think he needs a couple more name fights. But that might be an attractive fight a year from now.

[J_Roth]

Hughes vs Serra would be fun. Hughes by ud.

[Tko4]

Now here's the million dollar question: Will we get to watch a 15 second knockout clip from the preliminary fights?

[IntentionalButt]

Now here's the million dollar question: Will we get to watch a 15 second knockout clip from the preliminary fights?
They're showing Goulet-Hironaka. I don't know anything about these guys.

[Tko4]

I think so. Actually, I think he needs a couple more name fights. But that might be an attractive fight a year from now.

Yeah, I'd give him some time. Jon Fitch would be good next, I think.

[Tko4]

They're showing Goulet-Hironaka.

Woot. I thought maybe they'd end it and put all those fights up on UFC.com so we'd have to pay for them. Good old, Zuffa!

[yogster740]

..I love this stuff...makes me want to lose my 20 lbs and attempt to compete...very unlikely at my point ..lol

[Tko4]

Well, I learned one important thing from tonight: French rap is terrible.

[J_Roth]

Goulet is pretty good. I've seen him before a few times.

[Samurai]

I only tuned in to watch the GSP fight. I was not disappointed. :smoke

[Tko4]

Goulet is pretty good. I've seen him before a few times.

I read the spoiler on who won this fight hours ago, and I already fought who it said. :patsch

[J_Roth]

I read the spoiler on who won this fight hours ago, and I already fought who it said. :patschI read it before as well but I'll still watch it. What do you mean you fought who won it? Are you a active fighter?

[yogster740]

goulet boulet......oh shit I need a beer...brb

[Tko4]

I read it before as well but I'll still watch it. What do you mean you fought who won it? Are you a active fighter?

Oops. I meant to write "forgot." Both these guys would kill me, wrap me in a body bag, and throw me in a six foot hole in the ground.

[Tko4]

And UFC 83 is officially...ALL OVER! IT IS ALL OVER!

[yogster740]

Goulet by Ko..not bad...Montreal is a breautiful city...one of the best party cities.

[J_Roth]

Oops. I meant to write "forgot." Both these guys would kill me, wrap me in a body bag, and throw me in a six foot hole in the ground.:lol: You never know who is posting on these forums. I might be Matt Hughes. :nut

[Polymath]

As a sidenote, Hironaka has the worst take-downs I've ever seen; Goulet could have just stood there, arms-folded and Hironaka would have bounced off him. Entertaining fight, poor fighting though.

[IntentionalButt]

I only tuned in to watch the GSP fight. I was not disappointed. :smoke
+1x2

[Tko4]

:lol: You never know who is posting on these forums. I might be Matt Hughes. :nut

Well, let me find someone that has beaten Goulet, and I will be him.

[Paulie Marinara]

The triangle finish on Ed Herman was badass. I could never stand that guy either. His rants about being butt hurt over Tito not picking him were retarded.

[Paulie Marinara]

Well, let me find someone that has beaten Goulet, and I will be him.Hey yo, I don't wanna be Serra.

[El Matador]

And UFC 83 is officially...ALL OVER! IT IS ALL OVER!:lol: :lol: :lol: Someone should tell Goldberg to not do that for EVERY FIGHT, when it ends, as hilarious as it is.:lol:

Otherwise he is a fine commentator.

"It's all over, it's all over (repeats official result)"- Mike
"Un-BELIEVABLE!"- Joe Rogan

[Polymath]

It was the most historic UFC in history...again. :yep

[IntentionalButt]

Hey yo, I don't wanna be Serra.

:yep

[ufoalf]

Good fight, that's what shoulda happened the first fight. I thought that Serra would upset him again if GSP were to stand with him but GSP definitely did the right thing by taking the top position and grinding it out.

[AJAX]

yes he did, but even then Serra did not look as confident as he did in the first fight, his punching wasn't as crisp and he looked like the guy who had pressure not GSP. ...non the less I actually like Matt Serra and I hope him and Matt Hughes have their fight and I will cheer for Serra.

[Totomabs]

Good fight, that's what shoulda happened the first fight. I thought that Serra would upset him again if GSP were to stand with him but GSP definitely did the right thing by taking the top position and grinding it out.


agree.

i thought serra would pull it off again but gsp learned his lesson the first time and so no upsets this time around.:good

[jimmie]

Coming out of last night I have some thoughts. Kalib Starnes should be gone without 2nd fought theres too many good fighters who want to fight in the UFC. Mac Danzig looked solid but his opponet Docek seemed to make alot of mistakes and you can expect that considering there experience difference. Bisping looks sharp at 185 and reminded me why I once compared him to Wanderlei Silva but Charles McCarthy ? Whys this guy like he is hes so miserable and always seems to get "hurt" Im glad Franklin proved people wrong everyone acts like he has no groundgame well why the fuck does this guy get out of submissions vs Lutter or Shamrock ? I love Franklin and it amazes me what he does to everyone then what Silva does to him. Hes in a very akward postion right now hes the 2nd best Middleweight in the UFC but he doesnt deserve a title shot. GSPs win was impressive but im rather disapointed he didnt go for the ultimate revenge and try to KO Serra like Serra KOed him. Also im not super impressed because Serra looks like a Featherweight and GSP looks like a Middleweight in there. Id like to see Serra drop to 155 agian.

[Tko4]

Coming out of last night I have some thoughts. Kalib Starnes should be gone without 2nd fought theres too many good fighters who want to fight in the UFC. Mac Danzig looked solid but his opponet Docek seemed to make alot of mistakes and you can expect that considering there experience difference. Bisping looks sharp at 185 and reminded me why I once compared him to Wanderlei Silva but Charles McCarthy ? Whys this guy like he is hes so miserable and always seems to get "hurt" Im glad Franklin proved people wrong everyone acts like he has no groundgame well why the fuck does this guy get out of submissions vs Lutter or Shamrock ? I love Franklin and it amazes me what he does to everyone then what Silva does to him. Hes in a very akward postion right now hes the 2nd best Middleweight in the UFC but he doesnt deserve a title shot. GSPs win was impressive but im rather disapointed he didnt go for the ultimate revenge and try to KO Serra like Serra KOed him. Also im not super impressed because Serra looks like a Featherweight and GSP looks like a Middleweight in there. Id like to see Serra drop to 155 agian.
You're right about Franklin. He's certainly number two at middleweight in the UFC, but he's not going to be champ again as long as Silva holds the belt. It's nice to see such dominance, but it really puts the UFC in a pickle. The addition of Bisping at 185 is the only thing that makes the division interesting. Bisping vs. Franklin or Silva would be a decent fight, though I think Silva would tear his head off and punt it into the fourth row. But at least the British boy is new blood. Silva has KOed pretty much everyone else.

[jimmie]

You're right about Franklin. He's certainly number two at middleweight in the UFC, but he's not going to be champ again as long as Silva holds the belt. It's nice to see such dominance, but it really puts the UFC in a pickle. The addition of Bisping at 185 is the only thing that makes the division interesting. Bisping vs. Franklin or Silva would be a decent fight, though I think Silva would tear his head off and punt it into the fourth row. But at least the British boy is new blood. Silva has KOed pretty much everyone else.

Thats why im like just let Silva go 205 and have some new challenges even if he never loses agian atleast at 205 it will take him a long time to clean house cause theres so many guys Griffin,Rampage,Machida,Liddell,Shogun,Wanderlei ETC. If Silva goes I just think Franklin does what Silva was doing the last 2 years and what Franklin did before that and its just dominate all his legimate challengers including Bisping.

[concrete sledge]

I don't recall the last time I saw such lop-sided victories in a single UFC event. Franklin, Quarry, St. Pierre and Bisping were all completely dominant. I was especially happy to see Franklin's ground game once again. It's been criticized before, but I think he deserves much more respect than he gets on the ground. St. Pierre's ability to throw Serra on his back at any time was amazing and Bisping looked impressive as a middleweight. Overall, it was a good event.

[AJAX]

I wouldn't say Franlkin was dominate he was mounted twice and was very close to getting armbarred, Ludder gased by the second round and Franklin took over. Lutter seems to find a way to lose.

[concrete sledge]

I wouldn't say Franlkin was dominate he was mounted twice and was very close to getting armbarred, Ludder gased by the second round and Franklin took over. Lutter seems to find a way to lose.

True, Franklin was mounted twice, however, besides the armbar attempt, he was in no real danger and showed he's got great defensive abilities from his back.

[Tko4]

True, Franklin was mounted twice, however, besides the armbar attempt, he was in no real danger and showed he's got great defensive abilities from his back.

Seeing Franklin on his back was great. He doesn't have stellar jits, and won't be winning many fights from the ground. But he defended himself well and didn't look like a fish out of water.

[codeman99998]

Seeing Franklin on his back was great. He doesn't have stellar jits, and won't be winning many fights from the ground. But he defended himself well and didn't look like a fish out of water.

Maybe not stellar, but there are many many fighters that would have gotten tapped with that armbar. It was definitely a very nice escape.

[jimmie]

Franklin showed why he is a true Champion even though he doesnt have a belt right now but everyone knows he would if Andersons parents never met. Franklins been in some rocky situations vs a few tough guys like Lousieau,Tanner now Lutter and always comes back and dominates his opponet. Rich is a great man and a great fighter I cant wait till hes Champion agian.

[Wilhelm]

I don't recall the last time I saw such lop-sided victories in a single UFC event. Franklin, Quarry, St. Pierre and Bisping were all completely dominant. I was especially happy to see Franklin's ground game once again. It's been criticized before, but I think he deserves much more respect than he gets on the ground. St. Pierre's ability to throw Serra on his back at any time was amazing and Bisping looked impressive as a middleweight. Overall, it was a good event.

Ah, Franklin was very close to losing with the armbar and with those two mounts. Bisping was in a HORRIBLE position with that armbar and could very easily have blown it. Also, a lot of those punches and knees that Goldberg and Florian were going nuts about were being blocked. Mcarthy didn't look like he got beaten up that bad except for the messed up forearm.