Calzahge is beatable

[Dynamite Kid]

I give him credit for winning tonight, I thought the fight was good. Calzahge showed his ability to adjust tonight when it seemed he was uncomfortable. Bernard slowed down as the rounds went on and Calzahge was able to take advantage. However there were things tonight that Calzahge showed that another opponent like Roy Jones would take advantage of. Calzahge's bad balance would cost him against a guy like Jones. As well as his inability to avoid shots. Let's be real if Bernard Hopkins who has probably the lowest punch output in all of boxing was able to catch Calzahge with good shots and even knock him down, there's no doubt in my mind that a fight between Jones and Calzahge would be ALOT better than most people think, benefiting Jones. Those sloppy slapping "so called" fast punches that Calzahge throws against Jones "natural" hand speed I believe would outclass average Joe. Calzahge's bad balance as Jones showed in his fights with Trinidad and Julio Gonzalez wouldn't be good for him either. Tonight Enzo Calzahge's INABILITY to school his son on the basic fundamentals was obvious. Being as how he comes from a Jazz music backround and they learned how to box through basically teaching themsleves isn't gonna be to much of a factor against a guy like Jones. While i'll admit Jones may not be the same guy he was from his prime but he's still good enough, and after what Calzahge showed tonight more than ever is that he has flaws. He's not Superman. Jones "REAL" hand speed would cause problems for Joe being as how he was knocked down by a right hand that he didn't see coming from Bernard Hopkins. Calzahge WON'T retire undefeated if he fights Jones next. And should he choose to still retire then he will 45-1. Styles make fights and I like this matchup for Jones, Calzahge is made for him.

[KO Boxing]

Very.

But yes, credit where credit is due. He was the better man tonight. Doesn't make him invincible, AT ALL.

On the same note, there's still very few guys in and around his weight division AT THIS TIME I would pick over him. Perhaps only Dawson, and that'd still be 50-50ish

[Beebs]

Everybody looks bad at times, was a little bigger than normal, and he is getting old.

He looked like the best 168er ever against Kessler and Lacy, its not unthinkable that he could look that good one or two more times.

[Slothrop]

Everyone is beatable.

[VIP]

Of course he is beatable but there is just noone at there atm. Rewind a couple of years back....

[Axe]

No you fools, he is invincible.

[Dynamite Kid]

Everybody looks bad at times, was a little bigger than normal, and he is getting old.

He looked like the best 168er ever against Kessler and Lacy, its not unthinkable that he could look that good one or two more times.


True story I agree. However now he's at a weightclass that he's new to. Guys like Jones, Dawson, Johnson, and Tarver I believe would beat him. He didn't look the same tonight at 175 and he has at 168. I believe the bigger opponents would cause MAJOR problems.

[Amsterdam]

True story I agree. However now he's at a weightclass that he's new to. Guys like Jones, Dawson, Johnson, and Tarver I believe would beat him. He didn't look the same tonight at 175 and he has at 168. I believe the bigger opponents would cause MAJOR problems.

Tarver lost 11 rounds to 1. Calzaghe won 9 rounds to 3, or even 10 rounds to 2 is not unvalid, great logic there. Jones dropped a couple to Tito, great logic there.

Johnson, a pressure fighter.... guy who comes at Calzaghe? Great logic there.

Dawson, not sure, but I pick Calzaghe to beat him.

[Dynamite Kid]

Tarver lost 11 rounds to 1. Calzaghe won 9 rounds to 3, or even 10 rounds to 2 is not unvalid, great logic there. Jones dropped a couple to Tito, great logic there.

Johnson, a pressure fighter.... guy who comes at Calzaghe? Great logic there.

Dawson, not sure, but I pick Calzaghe to beat him.


I think Dawson vs Calzahge would be really good. Out of all those guys I think Tarver would have the most trouble, however Tarver is a physically bigger guy with a bigger punch. And it's not like Tarver won't be able to catch him, cause he can. Calzahge's defense is VERY leaky. Remember Calzahge may have done WAY BETTER against Hopkins than Tarver did but styles make fights. I think any of the guys mentioned have a real shot.

[Chileno606]

BHop makes everyone look bad.

[Amsterdam]

I think Dawson vs Calzahge would be really good. Out of all those guys I think Tarver would have the most trouble, however Tarver is a physically bigger guy with a bigger punch. And it's not like Tarver won't be able to catch him, cause he can. Calzahge's defense is VERY leaky. Remember Calzahge may have done WAY BETTER against Hopkins than Tarver did but styles make fights. I think any of the guys mentioned have a real shot.

Yeah, styles make fights, if it wasn't clear that Hopkins had the style advantage and Tarver's at a heavy disadvantage, then don't continue.

[blood_lust]

Well he looked like the loser in this fight.

[Dynamite Kid]

Yeah, styles make fights, if it wasn't clear that Hopkins had the style advantage and Tarver's at a heavy disadvantage, then don't continue.


Calzahge not being a natural 175er is gonna be exposed very soon. I give it one more fight.

[Amsterdam]

Calzahge not being a natural 175er is gonna be exposed very soon. I give it one more fight.

Could be he needs to set into the weight better, we will see, but as it stands I am not happy with what I saw.

[Amsterdam]

Bute can beat him

I just give up....

[Amsterdam]

oh right, Calzaghe would KO him? Like he was supposed to KO hopkins in the 8 with his super power slapping?

No, I never said he would stop Bute, but if you think Bute would do anything better than lose a very wide, to shutout style decision, then stop posting.

Bute's not even going to get past Andrade, then he will have to rebuild.

[teke]

Decebelle will be around here soon :D

[Doomas]

Tarverd would be easy for Joe, Glen might couse some trouble early but again too slow, fight with Dawson would be interesting one.
Dont know why but I wouldnt mind to see Jones jr vs Calzaghe, just to catch a glimpse of how it would look like if they were fighting each other in their primes.

[Strangely Brown]

Certainly not invincible, he was at his prime a few years ago at super middleweight.

His inclination to get involved in dust ups could spell tears against a proper light heavy weight.

[warrior85]

everybody is.

[brown_bomber]

offcourse he is but who is he going to fight next that can beat him ? TARVER please that guys a joke, dawson would get beaten easily and as for RJJ theres no point mentioning his name hes been passed it since he got clocked in the second by MASON DIXON :D

[brown_bomber]

everybody is.


even floyd :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

[warrior85]

even floyd :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas: :scaredas: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:


i was waiting for that:lol: yeah even mighty mayweather.

[somerset]

The thing is, how much of Calz's performance was down to him slowing down, how much down to B-hops?

If he fights someone like Dawson or Bute next we'll find out. If he fights rjj, less so.

[Weber]

Bute's fans need to shut the hell up. I've seen nothing that even remotely suggests that he would be a threat to Cal. He should fight Kessler if he wants to step up his game - and Kessler would fucking OWN Bute.

[BigBone]

Calzaghe is beatable, I agree 10000%... it's just take a fighter smarter, craftier, more effective and maybe dirtier than Hopkins...

...only there's no such fighter today...

[Dynamite Kid]

offcourse he is but who is he going to fight next that can beat him ? TARVER please that guys a joke, dawson would get beaten easily and as for RJJ theres no point mentioning his name hes been passed it since he got clocked in the second by MASON DIXON :D


One big difference, Calzahge DON'T punch like Mason Dixon:lol:

[Olander]

BHop makes everyone look bad.

Yes - and based on his performance against JC - even himself!

:D

[Dynamite Kid]

While Calzaghe is not the dominating fighter rjj was in his prime, he is still th ebetter fighter right now.:deal


Totally disagree:-(

[Toopretty]

Tarver lost 11 rounds to 1. Calzaghe won 9 rounds to 3, or even 10 rounds to 2 is not unvalid, great logic there. Jones dropped a couple to Tito, great logic there.

Johnson, a pressure fighter.... guy who comes at Calzaghe? Great logic there.

Dawson, not sure, but I pick Calzaghe to beat him.

9 rounds to 3 you are a fucking joke. :lol:

[Bslice]

Everyone is beatable.


Truth

[drvooh]

Joe won about 7-5 or so...and anyone is beatable depending on styles..a perfect example is IF Ali never fought Foreman, and after Ali went thru hell with Frazier, the Foreman bagged him with ease, eveyone on here now woukd say that Ali would get killed by Foreman, cause look how he beat Frazier...hmm:patsch

[TheChamp1000]

I think Dawson vs Calzahge would be really good. Out of all those guys I think Tarver would have the most trouble, however Tarver is a physically bigger guy with a bigger punch. And it's not like Tarver won't be able to catch him, cause he can. Calzahge's defense is VERY leaky. Remember Calzahge may have done WAY BETTER against Hopkins than Tarver did but styles make fights. I think any of the guys mentioned have a real shot.

If clinton woods didnt freeze he was 50/50 with tarver. Woods even showed a couple of times he could get to Tarver in what was an awful performance from woods.
If joe got in the ring with tarver its a UD for joe.

[Lampley]

The only two 175ers out there who can push Calzaghe are Dawson and Glen Johnson. I'd expect Calzaghe to outspeed and outclass Johnson, but Dawson would give him hell. Still, I've changed my prediction now to a Joe UD.

This excludes Kessler, because I think he is more complete than any of the above.

What last night showed us was that Calzaghe remains an elite fighter at the higher weightclass, yes two things also were apparent: 1) His reflexes are slipping and 2) He didn't gain power with the added weight.

But of course he is beatable.

[Amsterdam]

The only two 175ers out there who can push Calzaghe are Dawson and Glen Johnson. I'd expect Calzaghe to outspeed and outclass Johnson, but Dawson would give him hell. Still, I've changed my prediction now to a Joe UD.

I think he'd beat Johnson 8-4 and Dawson 7 to 5, maybe Dawson and Joe would score a KD a piece also.:yep

This excludes Kessler, because I think he is more complete than any of the above.

Agreed, if Kessler can get his shit in gear, I think he'll beat everybody they put in front of him.

What last night showed us was that Calzaghe remains an elite fighter at the higher weightclass, yes two things also were apparent: 1) His reflexes are slipping and 2) He didn't gain power with the added weight.

Agreed again, his 175 H2H stock in the all time sense dropped massively for me, but I'm glad I found out new things about my favourite fighter.

I still have him over Hopkins close prime for prime, neither of them were prime in there, it'd probably be the same fight with people bitching about the decision both ways had it happened around 2000.


But of course he is beatable.


:|

The Calzaghe express is soon to meet it's final destination, it's been a great ride and turned out much better than we were expecting(longtime fans), due to how his career went south in the early 2000's....:good

[brooklyn1550]

Amsterdam, how much longer do you think Calzaghe can fight at a 'supernatural' level?

[Amsterdam]

Amsterdam, how much longer do you think Calzaghe can fight at a 'supernatural' level?

It's clear he's no longer a supernatural.:|

But he's still elite and can enhance that resume for his fans arguments!:D

[Words]

Roy Jones is a great threat to Calzaghe because he hits very hard and has insane handspeed. Joe is a speed guy but even 40 year old Jones is faster than him.

I thought joe beat Hopkins, but Jones has always been a level above Hopkins in terms of talent.

[Polymath]

Roy Jones is a great threat to Calzaghe because he hits very hard and has insane handspeed. Joe is a speed guy but even 40 year old Jones is faster than him.


maybe handspeed, but joe is way more mobile and consistent at this stage in their careers.

[Ambition_Def]

I don't think you need a smarter fighter than Hopkins to beat Calzaghe. Just someone who is a terrific puncher who won't be easily swayed by Joe's slapping style.

Lacy for all of his strengths didn't have a very straight sharp right hand. And that ultimately was his downfall against Joe. You have to have a good straight powerpunch to beat Joe because that's what he's vunerable to when he's stepping in and throwing those flurries.

I would LOVE to see Pavlik get a crack at Joe. Or even Miranda for that matter. Both of those guys have the sort of straight hard powerpunching ability that could get the job done. And both are seemingly tough as nails.

[Shotgun]

Joe is definitely past his prime and has been for a while. He is still a great fighter but anyone who has followed his career can tell you he's not the same as he once was. Unfortunately much of his prime was spent outside of the limelight especially in the US. Even with the Lacy fight he wasn't at his physical peak. I hope that Joe can get a couple more big fights while he still has something left in the tank and retire with his 0 intact

[pngo]

Calzaghe is lucky there are no other A guys out there, closest was Dawson but I
don't know anymore after his last fight. He will probably beat like 2 or 3 top named fighters and retire.